A few days ago, Dilbert creator, and more lately contrarian commentator, Scott Adams admitted “the anti-vaxxers won”.
If you’re not that familiar with Adams, he sabotaged his highly successful career as a cartoonist and public speaker by predicting that Donald Trump would win the 2016 election.
He didn’t even say he was a Trump fan (in fact, his political views are largely Left-wing) but the prediction itself, and the idea that Americans might not be absolute monsters for voting Trump, was enough to lose him most of his living.
He then became popular in a completely different market, with his relatively red-pilled takes on the culture war. When it came to Covid, however, he strongly and repeatedly backed the vaccine, thus alienating much of his new, vaccine sceptic following.
However, in another twist, Adams has now admitted, unequivocally, though not without a touch of snark, that the ”anti-vaxxers”, as he calls them, have won.
The thrust of his argument (against his prior self) is that those who refused the vaccine now have natural immunity, and don’t have to worry about an mRNA time bomb five years down the line.
And that’s perfectly true.
What’s not true is his statement that the choice to refuse the vaccine was simply a “coin flip”.
Adams seems to be speaking as if we are still in a normal world, making difficult decisions where the evidence on both sides is finely balanced, rather than the new paradigm where everything is weaponised by a ruling elite, to the point that even something as seemingly objective as science becomes the sinister, entirely political concept of ‘the Science’.
In other words, we’re not in Kansas anymore, but Adams is acting like we are.
Which is odd, because in many other ways Adams is totally ‘awake’. Indeed, he spends the beginning of his stream on the vaccine talking about how he was totally “brainwashed” about the evils of President Nixon. Which is not one you hear very often. In fact, Adams might be one of the first ‘Nixon Truthers’, except for Tucker Carlson, from whom he gained his new knowledge, and Roger Stone, who famously has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
Anyway, the point is that Adams is highly perceptive on some issues, but totally fell for the mainstream narrative on the vaccine.
He claims vaccine sceptics bested him by simply applying a basic ‘heuristic’. Namely: don’t trust the government or big companies.
That isn’t wholly accurate, since vaccine sceptic views range from the most advanced arguments of professional virologists, to the humble commoner who just doesn’t trust this dodgy new medicine. (You have probably seen some of the bell curve memes regarding vaccines and IQ. If not, I include one below for your consideration).
Notwithstanding Adams’ oversimplification of why people refused the vaccine, he admits that this suspicion of authority is a totally sound approach. After all, when has not trusting the government ever really been wrong?
What is strange is that Adams’ research led him to the conclusion that he should take the jab. He is a highly intelligent person who has proved himself very capable of thinking independently. Normally those are the people questioning just about everything surrounding the Covid hysteria.
Perhaps Adams was following his own ‘heuristic’ of contrarianism, leading him to rail against his new-found red-pilled audience, just as it initially prompted him to highlight the positives of Trump.
More likely he really did just believe he was making a rational, well-researched choice. But, unlike Sam Harris and so many others, he is willing to admit he got it wrong.
For me it’s all much more simple: I never once considered taking the vaccine.
Perhaps I am one of Adams’s anti-vaxxer heuristic gang. Perhaps, despite once scoring a solid 137 on a Mensa test, I am just the Hammerheaded low IQ chap from the meme who fears the 5G magnet.
Either way, I gave it about as much thought as the “killer bees” scandal. I admit I was a bit worried about Y2K, but you don’t fool me twice.
Which is relevant, actually, because what Adams appeared to miss out of his heuristic was that it’s not just Big Government and Big Pharma we doubt, but the mainstream media. And all three working in concert (the very red-pilled would say in ‘lockstep’) should raise alarm bells in even the most placid normie.
Somehow, though, that clearly did not occur for most people, as the normies all lined up for their arm poison, while I stood aloof and totally bemused.
The whole thing was entirely alien to me. It was just something normies were chatting about among themselves, like whether to choose go-karting or miniature golf for their work event – I’m not going to either, so I don’t need to listen.
Although I had thoughts like “Will I be banned from society?” and “Which of my family members would put me in a Covid camp?” I never considered actually taking a medicine that you only seemed to need if you watched too much TV. I don’t buy the gizmos on late night shopping channels either.
Scott Adams, on the other hand, despite his past good work, doesn’t seem to have fully digested quite how off his picture of the world really is. Maybe he just needs to take a few more red pills.
And, pace Adams, it was not a coin flip. I simply never picked up the coin.
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No it wasn’t a coin flip! I decided deliberately not to have the vaccine until it had been around a while and the problems could be ironed out.As it turns out, i will never be having it, once its in it cannot be removed! It seemed to me to be a rush job and I didn’t trust the testing of it well enough. Most medical procedures and drugs are usually trialed for a decade or more before they get licence to be used in the public domain, even then, mistakes are made, thalidomide!.
So, no, it was not a coin flip for me and I’m sure there are many common sense critical thinkers like me who came to the same decision, some of us are not sheeple!
What did we win exactly? What did some of lose? Losing friends, family, jobs, houses, savings is hardly a win, and when was it defined as a competition ? Does this clown see the jabs as an intelligence test ? Winning would be not watching friends and colleagues get sicker for longer with what was always a bit of a sniffle. Watching this shitshow unfold knowing that the junk isn’t flowing round your system is a small consolation.
Coin flip? What a twat.
Back in 2010, when pregnant, I was offered the swine flu vaccination. The nurse I spoke to was a bit meh about taking it when pregnant and I couldn’t see any concrete information telling me it was safe, so I decided to leave it. Obviously later on all of the info on side effects came about and it was withdrawn.
in October 2020 they said no one under the age of 50 needed this vaccine. So even when this was reversed, and the ‘offer’ came through I thought I’d hold off and see what happened with side effects. We then had the AZ being withdrawn in a number of European countries due to blood clots, and as I wasn’t being offered anything other than AZ I thought I’d still hold off.
Then all of the coercion and bullying and threats began, and it stopped being about the vaccine and became about bodily autonomy.
A coin flip it was not.
The Diamond Princess told us all we needed to know about lethality (or lack thereof for anyone healthy). The UK Gov decided it wasn’t a HCID very early on. The Pfizer trials didn’t test for reduced death or transmission. mRNA has never successfully been used for pretty much anything and typically a “safe” vaccine (if there is such a thing) takes 10 years to trial. Sorry, but why would ANYONE take the jabs Scott? Coin flip my ar$e.
I still can’t grasp suggesting untested drugs to pregnant women. Crazy that you were offered the swine flu vaccine and crazy now that pregnant are offered and actually take the covid vax. A pregnant women I know declined Swiss cheese because of the risks but has taken two boosters while pregnant.
When I was pregnant (last millennium), I was given a severe dressing down by a pharmacist for using a steroid spray for sinus problems before I discovered I was pregnant. (This was a surprise pregnancy.)Taking anything for something that wasn’t life threatening was definitely discouraged, even pain killers for a headache.. This was to protect the unborn child. Now it seems that taking medicine for anything and everything when you are pregnant is actively encouraged. How the world has changed…
Well… distilling Adams’ coin-flip theory:
Heads: argumentum ad verecundiam
Tails: scepticism.
For Mr Adams’ edification, the first is blind religious belief; the second is scientific process: nullius in verba or as Mulder frequently reminded Scully: Trust No-one.
Adams claims he reached his pro-vax stance by intelligent appraisal of the information, but there was none, beyond claims made by the manufacturers and politicians and other talking heads.
I approached whether I should take the risk of having mRNA pseudo-vaccines the same way I have previously assessed the risk of taking ‘flu vaccines.
Firstly, I am not frightened of ‘flu, my body will deal with it if I get it.
Second, the effectiveness of the ‘flu vaccine is speculative because of the nature of respiratory viruses, otherwise we would decades ago have had a range of vaccines against them and Colds & ‘flu would have been almost eliminated.
Third: don’t medicate if there is no benefit and certainly not experimental, untested drugs.
From what I had read, many apparently had acquired immunity or resistance to SARS CoV 2 meaning many did not get the disease, or only mildly.
Those at risk were in the same at-risk category as for Colds, ‘flu, pneumonia – and ‘flu jabs make little, if any, difference to these.
Well said.
Mankind has died 60 billion deaths to earn his right to live on this planet, I hardly think that vaccines are going to change that!
you’d think “highly intelligent” people would be capable of independent thought but the real world proves otherwise – I work in a team full of PHDs (I’m the only one who doesn’t have one) and they were all scared shitless, have total belief in masks and now are all jabbed to the eyeballs and begging for more.
That was a big part of the con, same as it was with Trump and Brexit.
People who wanted Trump or Brexit, people who are “anti-vaxxers” are, it is loudly and constantly proclaimed, low IQ knuckledraggers, mouth breathers, flat earthers. This message was undoubtedly drummed up by some behavioural nudge unit or another, as the message has been the same across the Western world. Here in NL people who vote for Wilders’ PVV or the FvD are deemed the people on the left side of the acceptance curve above, even though I know many middle class people who admit to believing that both parties have a lot of goods points. Very few people in the educated middle classes will, however, admit to voting for or finding any good in either – because that would mean they is yobbos.
Intellectual vanity is a strong motivator. For those with high level formal education, they do not want that discredited. For those without such qualifications but with aspirations of being considered highly intelligent, they want to side with the “smart” people.
The concept of determining for yourself what you believe to be right or the best course of action, even if no one around you seems to be doing it, is frightening to many people. They’d rather inject poison than be on the outside.
Absolutely spot on Jane. The masterstroke of the enemy has been to cast any dissidents as you describe. It started a long time ago and it was one of the things that infuriated me about Brexit. It seems, even otherwise intelligent people are more concerned about which tribe they belong to than their health, free speech, human rights, the health of the nation and the economy. It will be a pyhrric victory for them when they eventually have to confront the damage they have done.
Absolutely…
Great article, Nick
The coin was flipped at birth. On one side cowardice, on the other courage. The experiment has identified our clan. Time for that clan to do what it’s been born to do. And that’s not signing f*ckin petitions.
Was this coin being flipped a fair coin?
What a jerk.
Did I see Y2K? The strange millennium bug that should have inoculated us all against global scams.
In 1999 I was paid a nice fee for work in a pleasant warm country advising its government not to worry one jot about it.
Some were not so happy with the advice.
The threat was real, if not widespread, should the systems not have been patched their clocks would have reverted to the base date and anything or nothing might have happened as a result. The massive publicity and long run-up gave people more than enough time to resolve/recode the software – if any old legacy systems were still in play.
Never occurred to me to take the poison, as the story for well over a year here in NL was that the virus was primarily a threat to the elderly and vulnerable. When the vaxxes were first being developed at “the speed of $cience”, the message was that the vaxx would be reserved for those groups. Although politicians and public health authorities did indeed, from about February 2021 onward, claim that the vaxx stopped infection and transmission, I remember the original trial was only to see whether it stopped symptoms, nothing more, another reason I didn’t see the point in getting it. I also noted the great many people saying they got corona shortly after the vaxx – “before protection had kicked in” – too bizarre for words. And then by around March 2021 there were already stories of breakthrough infections, but they still kept claiming it stopped infection/transmission. The sheer nonsense and make-believe was enough to say No.
Once I got my head around how the mrna tech worked, and that the viral vectors were more or less the same, just using a different delivery system, I suspected (as I still do) this would be a recipe for autoimmune disease. So that was another reason for No.
Then when they started going full nazi with the vaxx, it became Hell No. It was shameful and frightening to see health authorities and actual doctors be completely happy with coercing people to accept some type of medical intervention against their will and without informed consent, which was made worse by the fact that the poison was known to be experimental and only given emergeny use authorisation. Absolutely insane and the main reason why these charlatans have now lost public trust.
My personal path….
There is no way on this sweat Earth that any Govt would be so benevolent to do something for you and your good after being so tyrannical with so little testing and all the indemnity clauses rolled into one.
It was conceived as Evil from day one and that is without including all the conspiracy theory stuff (which is yet to be proven right again).
As you say, from day one
Funny how the vaccine appeared within a whisker of the pandemic outbreak?! Makes you wonder if it was expected
Whatever are you suggesting
Phds and other credentials are not the be all and end all of intelligence measuments, a healthy rounded life experience is one of the best ways of learning!
University of life!
I watched his video stream.
At one point he openly admits that what tipped him into taking the jab was that he wanted/needed to travel.
I.e. coercion
Take away the coercion and a fraction of people take the jab.
The rest is rationalisation.
Bizarre that that was enough to flip him to full jab fanaticism though. I was in the same boat of needing it to travel, so I took it, with a heavy heart, and aware of the risk I was taking. I continued to loathe the vaccine regime.
Same here
I think it was about more than coercion. Many were irrationally frightened of Covid, believing the probability of death or serious illness to be much higher than it actually was. Many were conned by the “vaccine” label into thinking it was no different from all the others they had taken. Many were effectively bullied into taking it because of the propaganda implying they were being selfish or endangering others by not taking it.
Add coercion and punishment on top of that and you have a formula for massive take-up.
I was a ‘wait and see’ person. I figured that anything that was as rushed as the covid vaccines were had to contain significant risks that corners had been cut, that bad news had been buried or ignored (because who wants to be the killjoy that nixes a) a drug everyone is desperate for and b) is going to be VERY profitable if accepted?), and everything had been done to speed up a process that usually took a decade or more.
Plus all the evidence I could see said that I personally was not at any great risk from covid. So I had a known risk (covid) that was low, but not zero, and an unknown risk (the vaccine) that could be anywhere from zero to ‘it injures/kills you in some unforeseen way’. I decided the known risk was the better option as I was fairly sure I could reduce that low risk even more by taking supplements to improve my immune system.
I’ll admit there was a period, probably during the first half of 2021 when I wondered if I’d made the wrong decision (but of course I always had the out of taking the vaccine) but by autumn 2021 all the evidence was pointing to the vaccines being failures. And since then the news has gotten steadily worse, as we all know.
I don’t think the above was a coin toss, I think it was a rational assessment of the odds. If I’d been older I might have come to a different decision, but for my personal position it was a fairly simple decision to make.
yes I’d forgotten about relative vs absolute risk. I did the Covid calculator and my risk of getting seriously ill and dying of Covid was 1 in 100,000 compared to 1 in 50,000 of an AZ clot. Or as the government liked to put it, a 20 in a million risk
add to that the higher risk was an absolute risk, given that info who really would take the shot?
Anyone who has had even basic Risk Management training would have carried out the same assessment and the vast majority would have reached the same conclusion as you. Before the Nanny State, people learned how to do it naturally when they were children.
The ability has been lost in the State micro-management of childhood. Parents have a duty to teach their children how to assess risk by letting them experience danger.
Scott Adams has always been quite weird. I remember reading a book of his from the late nineties – Dilbert strips interspersed with Adams’ experience of and advice for office work – in which at one point he sincerely promotes something called “affirmations”, which involves writing down something you want (promotion, etc.) every day until you get it. He was sceptical at first, but it worked for him, he said…
I’m sure positive visualisation and verbal affirmations are massively helpful, I’m just too depressed to allow myself to try.
The Laffer Curve memes indeed show that the midwits are the real sheeple, lol.
No. It was a rational choice. A couple of years ago, this is what I said to the local surgery who’s list I’m on (attached below).
And I haven’t changed my mind; more settled as it happens.
in March 2020 the government website said only the elderly and vulnerable were at risk. That ruled me out.
When the NHS letter came urging me to vax up it said ” We don’t know if the vaccine will prevent infection or transmission” I thought what’s the point. End of.
Interesting that the NHS would point out that infection prevention or transmission was unknown. That message certainly wasn’t broadcast in the States, where so many rushed around frantically, driving for 100 miles to find a pharmacy with available doses. The drama of it all was exciting for many, I think.
In the build up to Christmas almost everyone in the office (about 25) had chest infections, really bad colds, chesty coughs and the odd covid. I remained untouched and it was a colleague who said, with I believe a hint of regret, that it was because I hadn’t been jabbed.
Other factors in taking a drug with no long-term studies–beyond coercion for work–are peer pressure, emotional decision-making, and un-appreciation of risk-benefit analysis. All the educated women of childbearing age I know rushed ahead with 3, 4, and 5 jabs. The middle-aged and older men I know who went ahead had had recent medical problems, and all of a sudden their personal health was in the forefront of their minds.
Forgot to mention those who were told they couldn’t see their grandchildren if they weren’t jabbed. Emotional coercion is awful too.
I was brought up by a mother who was a Christian Scientist. The whole family were contemptuous of her beliefs. Until I got to 30 and I woke up. Mary Baker Eddy made some pretty good points. Most material medicine isn’t very effective. It depends on how much faith you put in the doctor. The medical establishment does not tolerate alternatives. Doctors get indirect incentives to prescribe certain drugs. People will ‘act out’ illness and disease, especially if the State gives them license.
Sadly people don’t know much about the history of medicine.
Being brought with Christian Science influences gave me the critical tools to evaluate the vaccine. We don’t have to support the NHS.
Worth noting that certain members of the Royal Family are quite keen on homeopathy in that context.
I’d love to be able to say I read the data and took a reasoned objection but that wouldn’t be strictly true.
Thanks to this site I read Mike Yeadon’s twitter threads before he was ejected. From this I came across Kevin McKernan, Sabina Walker, Robert Malone, Sucharit Bakdhi and so on, and decided that these people had everything to lose by speaking out and were therefore more trustworthy. (Maybe faulty logic but it seemed sensible at the time) You kind of follow a trail that includes Heneghan, Fuellmich, Fat Emperor etc
There was a bit of academic paper reading but much of it went over my head. My decision was instinctive and cautious and I will be eternally thankful to have found this place; could well turn out to have been a life-saver.
It is galling to have to budge up and make room for those who insult you for being right, but hey – we’ve been trying to persuade normies from the beginning. I guess they are bound to be sulky if they get round to admitting their mistake.
Very similar to yourself Jane. From the beginning, it just felt contrived. I’m not saying that I’m impervious to manipulation – in all its forms – but something deep inside screamed that this whole scenario was wrong.
Then in April ‘20, I discovered this ‘site, and the trail from Yeadon etcetera. Thankfully.
Similar route I followed.
Re your assertion “When it came to Covid, however, he strongly and repeatedly backed the vaccine, thus alienating much of his new, vaccine sceptic following. “
This is simply not true. I’ve listened to his podcast since before the 2016 election, most every days. He did not ever strongly and repeatedly back the vaccine. He was very clear about his position, and why he eventually chose to take it.
What you say is not true.
And I am pretty sure he never said it was a “coin flip”.
For me it’s all much more simple: I never once considered taking the vaccine.
Yep, that’s me. And it really was very simple. If you had to think much about it you’d already fallen into the trap.
Except for a small section of society the virus was not a serious risk, the government and health authorities had clearly been lying since Day 1; and the jabs employed unproven novel technologies with no long-term safety data.
With those simple facts at hand – as they were, to anyone who cared to look – why would any healthy sane person allow that stuff to be injected into them?
Answer is that most people only feel safe when following the crowd, and doing what they’re told to do. Life’s more comfortable that way. In the very short term.
I think shortly after that tweet, he apologized for using the word anti-vaxxer and enquired seriously about why and which research the sceptics used to come to their conclusion.
That exchange and offers of it is still ongoing on Twitter.
Flip of a coin !! Do me a favour ! I was never going to have it EVER ! The mask mandate blew my brains just as the hysteria seemed ( wrongly looking back ) to be easing off as summer came in 2020 ! Then a bit later I saw Tobias 77th Elwood creaming his pants in the HOC as he offered to be in charge of the Jab Rollout ! I thought WHAT Jab Rollout ! How wrong I was !! Dirty Rotten Scoundrels , The lot of them !! SCUM !!!…
I sat on the fence to see what would happen – I described it at the time as ‘loitering at the back of the queue’, letting other people go ahead of me. I read all about mRNA treatments and watched the consequences as they happened. More importantly, I looked at the flat-out denials and lies from the authorities and realised they made a stereotypical used car dealer look like a paragon of truth! I decided I absolutely would not have an mRNA jab. I kept an eye on the other jabs. I didn’t like what I saw and decided not to have the jab. My Mum cried at the time, because she was so worried that I might get ill and die (think about the propaganda floating around) as well as the threats being made. My Mum has since developed a heart condition caused by scarring of the heart. Her best friend and best friend’s husband won’t come to lunch here anymore because my Mum (to my fury) told them I’m unvaccinated.
I was more concerned at the time about the Australian internment camps and hints that Canada might round up and imprison unvaccinated people. Once one Five Eyes country pushed the Overton Window, others swiftly followed. I was actually starting to rehearse scenarios in my mind about how I could get out of the UK, if they either started locking up people like me or – as the likes of Celia Walden advocated in the Daily Telegraph – kicking in the front door and holding me down while they force the injection into my body! To think such scenarios had even become plausible horrifies me!!
So, not being vaccinated was something I thought about extremely seriously. I was aware there could be serious repercussions – that I might be locked up, arrested, subjected to monthly fines – all scenarios with precedent in other countries. Also, given the paranoia created by Sage and the Nudge Unit that could put me at risk of assault or worse (hence my fury at my Mum telling her friend about my decision, which was my own business.)
It wasn’t a coin flip. I sat there, waited, watched, read huge amounts of material, taught myself more medical science than anyone from an arts-humanities background would normally expect to in a lifetime and made an informed decision – perhaps the most informed decision of my life, well aware that I might risk serious consequences. For that, I’m called an ‘anti-vaxxer’. I wasn’t one. In many ways, I’m still not. But I no longer trust the medical profession and the people behind the drugs. So while I’m broadly in favour of vaccines in the old-fashioned sense of the word, I don’t know what sort of shit they’re now going to try to put in my body. The last vaccine I had was a flu vaccine in about 2015 and I had a bad reaction to it with what felt like post-viral syndrome tiring me out for months afterwards.
I used to think Jehovah’s Witnesses were crazy for refusing blood transplants. I would now be concerned myself about receiving blood from someone who had had the mRNA jab.
No coin flip. We saw through lies such as Long Covid and 3 weeks to flatten the curve.
‘Long Covid’ appeared a couple of seconds after ‘Short Covid’. It will soon be the 3rd anniversary of 3 weeks to flattened the curve.
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“despite once scoring a solid 137 on a Mensa test” reminds me of an ages-old Dilbert strip where he’s talking to a Mensa member:
“If you;re so clever, why aren’t you rich?”
“Intelligence has far less practical application than you’d think.”
Yes, often meaning being spectacularly good at one thing and spectacularly crap – possibly dangerously so – at everything else!
It’s a simple risk/reward calculation for someone healthy under the age of 65. Why take an experimental biological agent for something that is about as dangerous as a flu?
Choice is never a coin flip my friend.
Please don’t refer to the people who lined up to participate in a mass medical experiment “normies.”
There is nothing normal about risking your own health because a “here today, gone tomorrow” politician like Handcock (just about the least trustworthy creep in a Government largely made up of untrustworthy creeps) tells you to. The same applies, in spades, to Biden.
I didn’t have the jab because my (previously dormant) needle phobia was massively re-triggered by the relentless propaganda campaign and I would have assaulted anyone who was attempting to inject me. But I had also done my due diligence about (a) Covid and (b) the gene therapies so I knew I was at no risk; I knew the jabs didn’t stop you getting or transmitting the bug; I knew there was no medium/long term safety data and I knew that there were serious risks of short-term harms.
I never had any intention of submitting …. and I still don’t. Not only will I never have these jabs, I won’t be having any future vaccines (traditional or otherwise). Any trust I may have once had in the scientific/medical profession has been utterly destroyed by Big Pharma/Global Governments/MSM.
Adams is being unnecessarily insulting to a significant minority of the global population, but perhaps that’s his defence for being so easily conned. Coin flip indeed.
I looked at the very early data on the virus (before it was wiped) and thought, OMG 1) it’s manufactured and OMG 2) it had a highly unusual affinity for ACE2 receptors and causes clots, they’re aiming to kill off the elderly/infirm. When the jab came out with the stated aim that your own body would make the same protein that binds to ACE2 receptors and cause clots, that’s then I realised the aim was genocide. It wasn’t a hard decision to make.
Not a flip coin at all.
Having the vax was the equivalent of ‘shall I go Bungay jumping? Cut off my left hand?
Er, no? Are you MAD? It was never the remotest possibility.
It worried me that intelligent people I knew were fighting their way to the front of the queue to have this never-been-tried-on-humans-before ‘stuff’ injected into them.
We accepted we would possibly be social pariahs and may never travel again.
Better that than potentially screwing our health up. Or worse.
I was an early subscriber to Lockdown Sceptic around March 2020 and literally threw out my TV (Remained out) on the 2nd day of lockdown in March 2020 and then railed against lockdown etc by emailing my young MP every week for a year – yet – I had the first two jabs in January and February 2021.
Why? I have no idea. I am known for being sceptical of everything; been a farmer and a politician and still I succumbed. Was it because I was 74 and believed my GP who is a friend who said I was at a vulnerable age? I do not know but I am ashamed that I did.
My wife developed the most appalling shingles even though she had had the shingles jab and it was, without doubt, because of the Covid vaccine. Neither of us will ever have another jab for anything again and have obviously eshewed all boosters.
It was not a flip of a coin, I made a conscious decision to have the vaccine and I was conned by an incompetent Government who were influenced by Big Pharma and their cohorts using behavioural scientists to con us. The damage done to the credibility of all institutions is huge and may never return.
You have no need to feel ashamed – angry, yes, but not ashamed.
The dangers of covid for people over 70 were repeated again and again and again. And there is truth in it, in the sense that the greatest risk was for those over 70. What was not stated or repeated again and again, was that even in that age group, the risks were not that great, they were just greater than for people under 70.
In March/early April 2020, my mum, 74 at the time, turned to me one day and said she didn’t want to die from corona. Up until then she had not indicated any concern – in February 2020, when Italy was starting to gear up the hysteria and there was talk of people spreading the virus before symptoms appeared, I had suggested she not go to church for a few weeks, as a lot of people were coming back from winter sport in that area. We didn’t know what we were dealing with, I just figured it might be prudent to avoid a situation where she might be exposed to a big crowd of young people who might be spreading a virus we didn’t know that much about at that time. She gave me a strange look and said no. Fair enough. But a few weeks later, after the whole world went crazy, she had been convinced that at her age (active and in excellent health) she might die if she caught it. At that time we had numbers indicating that even in that age group, the vast majority of people who caught it lived. As soon as I explained that, she was okay and never mentioned it again. Probably also why she didn’t get the vaxx, by the time it came around she was so sick of the propaganda.
It made sense that they would offer the vaxx to people who were at greater risk, but there should have been no pressure, there should have been far more information and honesty about the fact that they simply had no idea what the side effects would be, in the short or the long term, they should have been honest about the fact any immunity/protection would not be lasting (something they must either have known or suspected from the start) and then let people weigh up for themselves what risks they wanted to take.
I agree. My Dad now has kidney trouble. My Mum suddenly has scarring of the heart. Maybe they’d have developed it anyway, given they’re both old, but the timing of these new ailments is suspicious.
It’s a hard one to know, isn’t it? The mother of a good friend of mine passed away in January 2021, 2 weeks after the 2nd mrna shot. She was 83, had been in a home for at least 5 years, had alzheimer’s, heart disease and diabetes. In and of itself, death should not have been unexpected. What always made me suspect some relationship to the vaxx was the timing after the vaxx and the direct cause. She had been fine after both shots, had even been taken to a different care home so she would have a room to herself for the ‘risk’ period between the 2 shots. I’ve heard that a change in routine is highly disturbing for alzheimer’s patients, so the fact that she came through that all right is pretty amazing. This was in Spain – in the preceding year she had been allowed to see family members a grand total of 4 times. Yet she was still doing okay. The day before she died her blood sugar went out of control and they never managed to get it back to the right levels, which they always had been able to do before; she slipped into a coma and died the next day.
A paper was published some time in 2021, I saw it around October 2021, someone here had posted a link to it. The paper was about a 3-month follow-up on people who had been given a whole-virus vaxx. Its conclusion was that people who had ailments that were known risks in relation to corona (heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes) did worse after the vaxx over that 3-month period. If I remember correctly, they suspected the problem was related to the immune response to the spike protein.
So when someone says that they know of a person with specific ailments linked to both corona and the vaxx, I suspect the vaxx is involved in some way, even if only by exacerbating an existing, possibly latent ailment. Particularly if someone is in the older age groups – which we know they won’t investigate. Both your parents at more or less the same time and with 2 specific corona/vaxx related ailments – I’d assume there is a link to the vaxx. I hope they’re doing okay. I’ve heard that kidney problems in particular can be horribly painful.
I was shocked by Adam’s blasé statement that he lost. It’s as if the hundreds of thousands injured and killed by the Vax are irrelevant, just those obscure humans from the masses. In the end, this movement to push these novel vaxes will be seen as a crime against humanity and possibly one of the biggest ever.
Depending on how many are left to judge in a couple of generations… We don’t know what the effects of being born to a jabbed woman will be on the child and whether children being born now to ‘the jabbed’ will have the capability to produce children of their own or whether the children they give birth to will have defects.
You play God with the risk of severe consequences. I have wonder if that’s partly why science fiction is so arbitrarily dismissed by the wankerati. Much science fiction actually is what they now call ‘war gaming’ of potential consequences. Often, it’s more accurate than any number of state-funded computer models.