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Government to Scrap ‘Legal But Harmful’ Clause From Online Safety Bill

by Toby Young
3 November 2022 10:25 AM

According to today’s Sun and the i newspaper, the Culture Secretary Michelle Donelan will shortly bring back the Online Safety Bill, but without the hated ‘legal but harmful’ clause. Here’s how the i reports it:

i understands Ms Donelan is seeking to balance the protection of children with freedom of speech concerns.

As a result, she is scrapping sweeping “legal but harmful” rules which required social media companies to address content that is not illegal but is dangerous – such as that promoting suicide or self-harm.

The rules would have meant social media sites, such as Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, were responsible for dealing with this content for both adults and children.

But, amid criticism that it would have led to a widespread attack on freedom of speech by companies hoping to avoid hefty fines, i understands the new laws will only apply to material targeted at children.

That’s great news. The Free Speech Union has been campaigning against the ‘legal but harmful’ clause in the Bill ever since it was published. (See this piece by me in Conservative Home, for instance.) Of course, the Bill has many other shortcomings, but this change alone will be a huge improvement. Well done to all those FSU members and supporters who took advantage of our campaigning tool to email their MP to ask them to highlight the problems with the Bill, particularly the ‘legal but harmful’ clause. Let’s hope Michelle Donelan goes further and transforms it into a piece of legislation focused on protecting children from online harm, not adults.

You can read a report on Guido Fawkes about this excellent news here.

Stop Press: You can see a panel discussion by various experts about the shortcomings of the Online Safety Bill at the Battle of Ideas last month here.

Tags: Free SpeechLegal But HarmfulMichelle DonelanOnline Safety Bill

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

What? Most people I spoke to about it (all academics btw) now think the talisman on their face took care of it and will do so again.
Yes. The vast majority is that stupid now, especially the nominally highly educated.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

Amazing, Covid kills the elderly and frail, flu kills teenagers up, good going lockdown nutters. If only someone had raised the alarm a year ago!

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rtaylor
rtaylor
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Excess teenagers will die from heart attacks and micro blood clots too.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Oh God, what do I do? If I go out I’ll catch covid and die but if I stay in I’ll lose my immunity to flu and I’ll die of that.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
3 years ago

Far from doing any good whatsoever, lockdown policies have altered the natural flow of seasonal ailments detrimentally.

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Will
Will
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

And God knows what has been done immunologically to the young by removing them from the protection/ challenge/ stimulation of the herd. My eldest has been ill, twice since returning to school having hardly been ill in the previous ten years…

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SallyM
SallyM
3 years ago

Really? The consensus prior to all of this seems to have been that naturally-acquired immunity to influenza is broad and long-lasting (see this, for example). This is just more speculative hysteria.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

Indeed, it’s part of the vaccination campaign. Vaccinate against the deadly flu.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

Yup, I got swine flu whenever that was a big thing, never had flu since.

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago

This seems to continue the theme of “its all been a fucking disaster.”

Science in the level of “hey you know what would held reduce pests in Australia? Release thousands of cane toads.”

Doing something untried and unprecedented that goes against the way nature has balanced itself for millions of years. What could possibly go wrong?

Oh yeah, everything.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

“Science in the level of “hey you know what would hel[p] reduce pests in Australia? Release thousands of cane toads.” “

A great analogy.

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Lowe
Lowe
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

I am reminded of the old lady who swallowed a fly… and I now realise the nursery rhyme never mentioned it was scientific advisors who suggested she swallow a spider… and other advisors who then “solved” the spider problem…

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mka1221
mka1221
3 years ago

Rebrand back better. Flu replaced with Covid, Covid replaced by flu.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Lockdowns proven to reduce immunity. Let’s have another lockdown this winter.

Well you would wouldn’t you if you want to make the population even more poorly?

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It will not be called lockdown – it will be a firebreak or something – and consist of wfh, masks in all inside venues, highly enforced, hand scouring, and “vaccine” passports -no meeting friends unless they have vps etc, and the list of things impossible without a vp growing daily.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

I wish the newspapers would just go back to reporting the news and leave the speculating about what might happen next to us because at best their speculation is rubbish and at worst they are trying to “shape the narrative” to suit their own sponsors.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes, this is a propaganda piece.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It’s what they contracted to do way back:

http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

I still remain very curious as to how a highly infectious respiratory virus of much the same size as SARS-COV-2 could be virtually eliminated through the exact same cloth muzzles, paw-rubbing, and recoiling in horror from our fellow humans that had little to no effect on SARS-COV-2.

Any takers?

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

It is a conundrum lacking resolution.

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landt2020
landt2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I’m curious how Scientists can look at that graph, and look at the covid data, and the symptoms of each, and not wonder if some of the covid might actually have been flu. Does flu only spread when you’re walking to the toilets in a pub, like covid?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  landt2020

When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When the only test you have is covid PCR, everything looks like covid.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

It could not. All that presumably happened is that one virus has displaced another, just like there tend to be very few prevailing flu strains every season. It has everything to do with competing viruses and nothing to do with our non-working “prevention” measures.

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BungleIsABogan
BungleIsABogan
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

As Toyah rather badly “sang” in the 1980s – “It’s a Mystery”!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago

It’s the clown show.

The Great Barrington was the middle way that would have been scientifically sound. Although tricky enough to implement, it would have been much more cost effective that’s for sure.

Except now we have lockdowns to save the vaccine. Jesus wept

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

one person’s inflated costs are another inflated profits.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

I am getting so angry with this now. Just who in their right mind thought that flu disappeared last year? Only a complete moron would believe that. It is obvious that Covid-19 figures were inflated by flu cases. The PCR test is unable to distinguish between the two. And now because many were tricked into an unlawful house arrest and self-induced social isolation, natural immunity has reduced. Which of course the experimental gene therapy has reduced even further.

Why are people falling for this? Why aren’t those responsible for this on-going human tragedy behind bars? Why is the likes of Ferguson and Van-Tam even give air-time?

I am sick to death of these criminals just getting away with it, day after day.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

The PCR test only detects corona. If you have both flu and corona at the same time, it will report corona, ignore the flu.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Not for 45 cycles and above.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

It was stated quite openly in September 2020 that the figures for flu would henceforth be counted WITH those for ‘covid’. I didn’t keep the link, unfortunately, but I remember it being said – I thought at the time people were remarkably relaxed about it!

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Colley
Colley
3 years ago

Van-Tam knows how to hype up an epidemic. He can be seen in the audience at this lecture by Marc Van Ranst, the Belgian Flu Commissioner

https://www.bitchute.com/video/D4GBLKcNE1fj/

On another point, I wonder how many cases of Flu last winter were misdiagnosed as Covid

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
3 years ago
Reply to  Colley

He sure was there with a smirk on his face. Scroll to 19:56

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Colley

They didn’t need to ”misdiagnose” – it was intended they should be counted as ‘covid’ anyway.

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
3 years ago

Law of unintended consequences. Maybe that is what the Tories can change their name to. Would be more precise.

We have 100k years of human development that has constructed immune systems based on regular contact with one another. And we chose to drop well-established pandemic responses to mirror a brutal regime’s plans, and now evolutionary development will hit us anew. Idiocy reigns supreme.

But hey, put on a thin screen of fabric and all will be just dandy.

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Spritof_GFawkes
Spritof_GFawkes
3 years ago

Can anybody seriously believe that that chart is correct? Flu viruses used to peak quite hugely on an annual cycle but suddenly last year because there was another virus in town flu just didn’t bother??
It has to be either last year’s flu was misreported as covid or ‘flu’ is such a generic term for viral respiratory diseases that all previous peaks could have include covid-type virii but no-one really noticed.
Either way is doesn’t justify any of the bo****ks we have been going through over the past 18 monhs or do.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Spritof_GFawkes

Apparently when the HK flu emerged in 1968 it caused all other flu strains to effectively disappear the following year. But they came back again two or three years later.

So a novel and more contagious respiratory virus elbowing all other respiratory viruses aside for a period isn’t unprecedented.

But the suspicion that flu was always there but no-one found cases because everyone was focused on TeH Coronavirus – or that many cases of “COVID” in the winter just gone were actually flu but were misdiagnosed for political reasons, remains valid…

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago
Reply to  Spritof_GFawkes

One explanation I came across – not sure how well established but it was presented as plausible – was then getting infected causes the body to produce Interferon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interferon which signals cells to heighten their anti-viral defenses. When a particular infection becomes overwhelmingly prevalent as has Sars-Cov-2 (not saying it is a really bad virus, just that it is all pervasive) then most people encounter it, the side effect of the Interferon is that they are then less susceptible to other infections.

Add the misidentification of all and any infections as Covid19 (as realarthurdent notes) the effect could well be to make the other infection – influenza in this case – to seemingly disappear.

I’d also note that this time last year there was a big influenza vaccine push, because of the huge wave of influenza which would occur (yeh, sure). No doubt that would be hailed as a success, but I suspect it had bugger all to do with it.

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Oscarone
Oscarone
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Or did the flu vaccine push give rise to cases of ADE which were misdiagnosed as Covid?

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Oscarone
Oscarone
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

I like the interferon explanation.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Spritof_GFawkes

You also need to consider that flu vaccines, thanks to the failed swine flu “pandemic”, turned out as a marketing flop and would have been a hard sell. So the pharma bosses needed a “brand novel virus” to make the prospect of life-long vaccination appear attractive to their terrified buyers once again.

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
3 years ago

An interesting hypothesis here.

Has coronavirus asserted itself once again as the dominant virus putting the flue genie back in it’s bottle?

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-disappearance-of-influenza.

With evidence from here.

https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?Hemisphere=Northern&ReportNo=5

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

This first paragraph from the substack may whet your appetites.

The flu is gone. This is not an illusion. It’s not down to the wilful or mistaken misdiagnosis of Corona or anything like that. Most countries have long-standing influenza surveillance programs, entire offices of people whose job it is to find and track the flu. These programs are still running, and influenza tests are still widely administered across the world. Despite all of this searching, nobody can find anything but a few outliers. As a seasonal phenomenon in the northern and southern hemispheres, influenza has disappeared.

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

Indeed.

More people making decisions on aerosol respiratory diseases should first read R.Edgar Hope-Simpson on the transmissibility of influenza. [Hint: we still don’t understand how strains come and go or how they do so as quickly and pervasively as they do.]

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Amtrup
Amtrup
3 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

This! ^^^^ We really don’t understand how they work, what viruses really are, etc. A strange/sophisticated form of signal ( to trigger certain defences ) in response to poisonous or otherwise stressful environmental conditions? And yes, they still haven’t shown how exactly flu spreads, because on its own the virus does not cause illness.

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Amtrup
Amtrup
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

Very interesting indeed! Thank you very much for the excerpt and link!

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

Of course the answer to this problem, we will be told, is VACCINES. MOAR VACCINES! Get your vaccines, mix and match, two for a pound the vaccines, hurry now while stocks last!

But the flu vaccine has never been particularly effective, partly because every year the vaccine developers need to have a guess on which flu strains are likely to be active in the coming winter. This year this is even more likely to be a problem since, in the apparent absence of any flu at all last winter, how on earth will they know which strains are going to come surging back?

I also wonder whether the resurgence of the flu will be used as another “Project Fear” to push the COVID vax to 5-12 year olds when they are given their flu vax in early December.

And finally, not that I’m suggesting that our government or health authorities are evil or wish elderly people harm, obviously, this would be a good narrative to explain away the wholesale deaths of many elderly this winter in care homes and hospitals and blame it on something other than the true cause.

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

We are certainly being primed for that as they are claiming that it is ‘SAFE’ to receive both flu and covid jabs at the same time.
At least they haven’t said its OK to put them in the same syringe – but give them time.

There is clearly a changed definition of SAFE as SAFE now includes paralysis stroke blindness heart attack pericarditis myocarditis etc etc etc up to death.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Just wait for the universal mRNA++ flu vaccines already in the pipeline. The current campaign is just to whet your “appetite”.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Sensation: – Over 65,940,000 Alive this winter

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’m in a room on my own and I can’t see any of them this is nonsense!

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SilentP
SilentP
3 years ago

Should there be particular concern about what’s in this year’s flu vaccination? I have read a couple of items raising this concern.

Or is it more likely that flu will be used as the excuse to mask vaccine initiated deaths?

Looks like they have rolled out cuddly teddy bear Van Tam (yek) to start the coercion in his own inimitable way.

Am expecting the messaging and fear mongering to ramp up from now on. Was asked at the chemist this week whether I had had ‘my’ flu jab.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

This whole area is a dog’s dinner of speculation. The degree of absence of ‘flu recently beggars belief, and has been a confused picture because of mis-diagnosis stemming from the Covid rush.

Then we have the absurd actual and information distortions caused by the barmy NPI measures and collapse of client-focussed public health as the needs of Big Pharma and its political allies took over.

Bluntly – what data can we now trust? This is a further turn of the screw.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

… and thinking further, this question of ‘trust’ is fundamental to the whole disaster.

Of course, ‘trust’ can tip over into naivety, but a certain core of expectation is essential to the healthy functioning of society.

This has been blown out of the water with its exploitation, inherent in the Covid narrative.

So we are truly screwed in terms of one of the fundamentals, both physiological and psychological, for a properly functioning society.

As always, demolition is easier than reconstruction.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

My talisman for warding off all diseases has been wearing an onion around my neck. Not only have I not caught Covid, but I also haven’t had a heart attack, had cancer, a stroke or any other dibilitating condition. Shows you how powerful wearing an onion can be.

(I’ve also not been jabbed, positively gone out of my way to touch people, ignore masks, hand gunk and have tried to live as normally as a sane person can do in a world full of the insane).

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago

“There is also concern about the effectiveness of this year’s jabs, because the lack of flu last year made it harder for scientists to sample the virus and predict the dominant strains.”

So what, exactly, are they planning to jab into the unsuspecting/trusting this time.

Just as with the ‘thevaccine’ they are just shooting in the dark and hoping the virus is going to be prevented from causing disease by the anticipated stimulation of our immune systems from the gloop in the syringe.

Never had bad flu, never had a flu jab. Nearly did when there was a chance that the ‘flublok’ non-adjuvanted product was demonstrated to be both effective and much quicker to produce (meaning that there was less guesswork required to ensure the vaccines were relevant to circulating strains) but….. then the company with the patents was bought out by Sanofi and the flublok never saw the light of day.

Then when the outbreak wrought havoc in Northern Italy, and in the light of US Army research showing that the annual flu jabs make recipients more vulnerable to other viruses, it was revealed that the annual flu jab given to elderly Italians along the Po Valley was a new quadrivalent gloop experiment. 2+2 = ?

Clearly the fear level isn’t yet high enough, but it will be once the deliberately immune suppressed ‘flu-jabbed’ start dropping like flies as the coronavirus season rolls around.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

The flu immunisation being given to children this year contains these strains (I imagine the jab for grown-ups will be the same):

What Fluenz Tetra contains
The active substances are:
Reassortant influenza virus* (live attenuated) of the following four strains**:
A/Victoria/2570/2019 (H1N1)pdm09 – like strain (A/Victoria/1/2020, MEDI 340505) 107.0±0.5 FFU***
A/Cambodia/e0826360/2020 (H3N2) – like strain (A/Tasmania/503/2020, MEDI 339018) 107.0±0.5 FFU***
B/Washington/02/2019 – like strain (B/Washington/02/2019, MEDI 323797) 107.0±0.5 FFU***
B/Phuket/3073/2013 – like strain (B/Phuket/3073/2013, MEDI 306444) 107.0±0.5 FFU***

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/3296/pil

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

From https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018779/Influenza_vaccination_information_document_for_healthcare_practitioners.pdf

“ The timing and magnitude of potential influenza and COVID-19 infection waves for winter 2021 to 2022 are currently unknown, but the JCVI interim advice stated that mathematical modelling indicates the 2021 to 2022 influenza season in the UK could be up to 50% larger than typically seen and it is also possible that the 2021 to 2022 influenza season will begin earlier than usual. “

So, they are just jabbing kids and wrinklies with ‘something we made earlier’ and crossing our fingers that it won’t make them more at risk of other infections.

Ah, where would we be without modelling. [hint, no mass deaths in care homes, no lockdowns, no mask mandates, no business bankruptcies]

?Is this the same quadrivalent vaccine that made the elderly Italians susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 I wonder.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

lol @ “mathematical modelling”

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Other people’s children.

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Bobby Lobster
Bobby Lobster
3 years ago

Yet another unintended consequence of stupid lockdowns! We know they used flu in hospitals to get more false positives for the plandemic. Is Doris really going to force a lockdown this winter, with rising prices, potential blackouts, inflation, unemployment and still try an early election before everything goes to hell?

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timsk
timsk
3 years ago

Guys ‘n Gels,
Me thinks some of you are overlooking a key sentence in the article which includes the dreaded ‘m’ word: ” . . .Officials highlighted modelling from the Academy of Medical Sciences, which suggests this winter the UK could see between 15,000 and 60,000 flu deaths. . .”
:-)))

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  timsk

Wait, modelling isn’t an accurate prediction of reality? What are you saying?!

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Models work beautifully, especially when there is no data to check them and you are having a one-off situation that has never happened before. Under those circumstances if you are not satisfied with the model’s prediction, you can always pile up more models, call it ensemble modelling to sound more scientific.

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Portnadler
Portnadler
3 years ago

They said covid was much more dangerous than flu and flu deaths, even in a bad year, could never reach the levels of covid deaths. But now they are predicting 60,000 deaths this winter from flu!

Ha, ha, ha, ha! They’re so obsessed with ramping up the fear to get everyone flu-jabbed that they’ve forgotten their own lies. Oh my goodness, let’s just hope nobody notices, eh?

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

The sad thing is that most people won’t notice – there have been loads of examples of U-turns over the past 18 months, and only a minority even notice them, never mind point them out.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
3 years ago

Interesting how Toby mentioned “next month” specifically….insider knowledge?

NHS has had 70 years and experience of previous flu pandemics, so they are well structured to cope. And if they can’t cope then we will all do our bit by banging pots and pans and painting Rainbows…..

Tossers.

oh. And what happened with flu season in the Southern Hemisphere this past winter ? That’s usually the guide as to what junk (50-60% proof) vaccine they stick in. No big flu problems down under ?

and surely the magic masks will save everyone, just like they did in Japan last time flu went rampant.

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chunky lafunga
chunky lafunga
3 years ago

Officials fear that this winter could see up to 60,000 flu deaths – the worst figure in Britain since the 1968 Hong Kong Flu pandemic – without strong uptake of vaccines.

Uh yeah, sure. Ok.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  chunky lafunga

Vaccines won’t make much difference. We know the flu vaccine isn’t particularly effective, especially in elderly people, because their immune systems don’t respond particularly energetically to the vaccine and therefore don’t create much immunity to the actual virus.

It’s all just more programming of the population to become used to getting vaccines for absolutely everything. If public health really was the objective, they’d be focusing on diet, exercise and vitamin and mineral supplements. But they don’t give a toss about public health. They give a toss about money and control.

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chunky lafunga
chunky lafunga
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Exactly Arthur, well said. Maybe I’m too far down the rabbit hole but I think the population is being primed for vaccines with Covid as the trojan horse. They openly state it in this video for heaven’s sake:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/explosive-video-emerges-fauci-hhs-officials-plotting-new-avian-flu-virus-enforce-universal-flu-vaccination-video/

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  chunky lafunga

Just today there was an article how some “African doctors” have developed the first-in-the-world malaria vaccine “after 50 years of research”. It also contained passages how “the vaccine does not really work, so all other malaria counter-measures are still required”. But still a “great success”.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I recall a study concerning flu vaccines that while they reduce the incidence of the particular variants somewhat, there is no evidence for reduction of the rate of respiratory infections overall. So basically, choose your vaccine, then get sick from something else.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

European countries with the highest Flu vax rates have the highest CFR re SARS.
Does the vax adversely affect the immune systems ability to otherwise deal with SARS – or does it keep them alive to make future low hanging fruit? Or both?

Maybe all the bloody money spent on covid etc. would have been better spent in actually researching how the immune system works.
But that would never do – some really ugly truths might come out. What’s the betting said research has been done – do you honestly think the bastards would reveal it?

Frank Macfarlane Burnet et al must be turning in their graves.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

yes they’d get much better bang for your buck reversing involution of the thymus.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Spanish Minister for Health forced to admit in court by doctors and lawyers that they have no isolates of SARS COV 2 and therefore COVID19 is a FRAUD.

JUSTICE IS COMING TO CORRUPT HEALTHCARE WORKERS & POLITICIANS !
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FQV8IhMKZtAd/

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

When I read articles like this showing the data it shows, I feel like I am in the middle ages hearing “doctors” discuss the most effective blood letting techniques to heal their patients.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Miasma projections.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

‘Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, deputy chief medical officer, said: “Not many people got flu last year because of COVID-19 restrictions, so there isn’t as much natural immunity in our communities as usual.’

Absolutely incredible – you would think that a so-called ‘expert’ who had been backing the governments decision to lock us all up last year and impose restrictions would have fathomed this out before deciding to go along with government policies that would impact natural immunity – many other experts outside of government were predicting this very thing all along but were ignored in favour of listening to government wonks who have been getting it catastrophically wrong since day one – even your average reader with a modicum of intelligence on forums such as this were expressing concerns about covid restrictions and lockdowns impacting immune systems months ago but they were labelled ‘conspiracy theorists’.

There has got to be some kind of retribution over this debacle that could have been avoided if the government had listened to those outside the Westminster bubble.

Nuremburg 2.0 trials would be most welcome at this point.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

“Absolutely incredible – you would think that a so-called ‘expert’ who had been backing the governments decision to lock us all up last year and impose restrictions would have fathomed this out before deciding to go along with government policies that would impact natural immunity”

What makes you think he hasn’t fathomed it out? What makes you think he cares one way or the other?

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Kung Flu Lou
Kung Flu Lou
3 years ago

This lot are spinning the narrative to fit the agenda. The vaccines have destroyed immune systems. They know many will die this winter, but better to put the deaths down to flu than have the new ‘vaccines’ look ineffective.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Kung Flu Lou

Bingo. Certainly what it looks like…..

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
3 years ago

Van Tam has no clue what is happening.

He is bound to say that restrictions stopped flu last year.

This must be based on a claim though that flu is less infectious than Covid. It would be good to know how this has been deduced. It sounds like circular reasoning to me. “We had Covid last year but no flu, so flu must be less infectious because our restrictions stopped it.”

He clearly does not want to consider other hypotheses such as the Wallis Hope-Simpson view that there is a dominant respiratory virus each year that somehow outcompetes all the others, which then effectively go away. Covid simply was the dominant one in 2020.

Such hypotheses (and others) are no less evidenced by “science” than the conjecture that flows from his lips.

The 15-60k range also looks like the normal flu season we get every year. Just as with Covid, the flu takes away many frail, older people who are nearly at the end of life. The vaccines are not 100% effective either and in the past there was lots of medical debate as to whether they should even be recommended.

Ultimately, our so called leaders are intoxicated on creating fear and then on feeling good about themselves by thinking they have the solutions to that fear. But in reality they are drunk on power.

This is a human society that objectively has less to be afraid of than any other in human history, with roughly double the life expectancy of only a century or so ago. However, it wants to find things to be scared of.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

“Van Tam has no clue what is happening.” I tend to think he knows exactly what is happening – he is powerful and important, as are his mates, and they are all in on a scam that keeps on giving, and his political masters are pleased with him for the same reasons, and he is up to his neck in it.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html

Everyone concerned by what lies ahead for us needs to look at this courageous talk by Peter McCullough, who confronts with truth, the lies and deceptions used against the population by their governments

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

It’s a wonderful talk. Everyone should watch it and encourage their non sceptic friends and family to take a look. It’s an hour long, so one to watch in chunks.

Everyone seems to have a short attention span these days but you can’t distill what he has to say into 140 words or a 30 second soundbite. And watching a whole hour allows you to really feel his sincerity and honesty.

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

He has the medical authority to challenge the lies.
Dr Merritt also gave a talk at this conference. Can anyone link to it? I am a fan of hers.

Last edited 3 years ago by kate
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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

McCullough mentions (unimportant, really, in such a blistering talk), but – Eric Clapton is now a friend.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. The lockdown cannot prevent flu and be useless against corona and vice versa. The lockdown and masks did nothing to anyone’s immunity. Possibly the increased prevalence of corona infections provided some kind of cross-immunity against the flu. Or as may be, most of the flu cases have been simply mislabeled (people getting infected with both flu and corona, and every case being attributed to corona – because everyone tested for corona and nobody tested for flu)

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

No doubt those are the same Health Chiefs who recommended/mandated most of the “Rules” for covid in the first place! Jesus wept.
Beam me up, I’m living in the wrong universe.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

So it could be as bad as it was 5 years ago – that is what they are saying. So not apocalyptic even if their modelling is right.
This new vaccine, according to reports I have read, has not been tested quite so thouroughly as previous flu vaccines and the effectiveness is said to be below 50%. There is also the question of interaction with CV antibodies or indeed the Covid vaccine itself.
And my suspicions are further aroused by the new “scare Britain” advertising campaign that is just starting, straight out of the Covid playbook.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago

Anyone aware of the US Army trials that concluded the flu vax significantly increased the risk of getting coronavirus?

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
3 years ago

“does that mean we’re trapped in a never ending lockdown cycle ?”

The answer is Yes , some of us saw all this from the start but were comprehensively ignored.

Good work Toby and team, you seem to be getting the picture at last, although it’s almost too late now.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

They have been diagnosing flu as covid for almost 2 years, now they are going to bring back the flu to conceal the death and sickness caused by the jabs destroying people’s immune systems.

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

1. Flu didn’t go away last winter: the manipulative b’s just called it Covid.(See PHE Newsletter October 2020).
2. Project Fear is now going full throttle to convince the weak-minded that another lockdown will be “prudent” and in their best interests.
3. Since when has naturally acquired immunity only been very short term?

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
  1. No Flu last year as it was classified as Covid
  2. Not the only virus that is going to be in stronger circulation due to and I can’t believe Van Tam says this “little natural immunity”, I thought natural immunity was not accepted by SAGE and “the SCIENCE” as being anything but made up.
  3. Opportunity for more injections in the population, thus making us vaccine dependent, and so depleting “natural immunity”, but making Mr Van Tam and his friends richer.
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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

It’s almost magical the way there was no ‘flu last winter. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Government deciding to identify all respiratory illnesses as “Covid” to bump up the figures and generate fear.
Move along ……

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Beowa
Beowa
3 years ago

Hanoi Van-Tam scaremongering

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BungleIsABogan
BungleIsABogan
3 years ago

I wonder if they’ll try a “Clap for the NHS” again this year?
Even the sheeple got a little fed up with it last year and it waned as the weeks went by.

I was glad it ended as I got fed-up with playing my audio mix of short bursts of clapping, interspersed with bleating sheep and seals barking, out of the front window.

Trouble is the sheeple might have short memories and embrace it once again – unless of course they, their family or friends, have tried to get a doctors or hospital appointment recently that is…

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Australia had negligible flu in winter 2021z

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

Right. That 60,000 – that’d be part of the ‘normal annual wastage’ of 600,000 from ”all causes”, wouldn’t it?

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Freebean
Freebean
3 years ago

All testing was for Covid not flu. Hospitals & Doctors ordered to attribute all to Covid. It does not mean there was no flu. Also the PCR did not differentiate between the Flu and Covid.

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