One of Britain’s top medical journals, the British Medical Journal, is facing backlash from scientists and doctors for publishing a series of articles authored by members of the self-appointed, pro-restriction Independent SAGE group. Joe Pinkstone of the Telegraph has the story.
The British Medical Journal is one of the world’s most prestigious publications but has been accused of being partisan, stoking the culture war and driving a wedge through the scientific community.
Throughout the pandemic the [Independent SAGE] group held regular briefings on YouTube, were often seen on television, and gained a cult-like following of avid fans on social media as a result of their hardline stance.
For the past two and a half years, they have advocated for various interventions and criticised many policy decisions to remove Covid restrictions. At one time a zero-Covid advocacy group, they are now widely viewed as pro-mask and only too willing to reintroduce lockdown-like restrictions…
There have been accusations levelled at the BMJ of only representing one side of the story, and neglecting to give other sides of the argument.
Dr Jake Dunning, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Oxford and a consultant to the UKHSA, said the BMJ’s affiliation with Independent Sage was “disappointing but not surprising”.
“BMJ has its own agenda and favourites; like iSage it’s not really independent or impartial, and that predates Covid by a long way,” he added.
“Always felt it suffers from a personality crisis, unsure whether it’s a scientific journal or a medical newspaper.”
Critics of the BMJ say that coming to a scientific consensus is never going to be an easy feat, but by platforming the most outspoken members of one side of the debate without riposte only acts to inflame what are already deeply-ingrained divisions.
Kamran Abbasi, the editor of the BMJ, wrote an article where he said the freshly-commissioned batch of editorials will “explore how information was misused, abused, and manipulated to feed an ideologically driven ‘infodemic’”.
In it, he writes that the series will describe both successes and failures of the UK response, but says its conclusion is clear.
“The U.K.’s response should have been much better… While debate continues about how best to compare the resilience of national health systems to shocks such as pandemics, there is little doubt that the UK’s response fell far short of its potential,” the article states.
A number of doctors and scientists have criticised the move. Dr. Michael Absoud, a consultant in children’s neurodisability at Evelina London Children’s Hospital, told the Telegraph: “It is a shame that the BMJ is exacerbating our adversarial political system with articles dressed up as science.”
Dr. Tim Colbourn, a Professor of Global Health Systems, Epidemiology and Evaluation at UCL, said: “[It is] probably impossible given entrenched sides but would be good for science if a journal tried to bring together scientists with different opinions on important topics like this to try to move toward scientific consensus in commissioned pieces.” He also wondered if the BMJ would be publishing “articles jointly co-authored by people with publicly differing views”.
Dr. Alasdair Munro, who works in paediatric infectious diseases at the University of Southampton, called the one-sidedness of the BMJ’s publications “a true waste of an opportunity for an objective and unbiased appraisal”.
“I am beyond disappointed that the BMJ, which I have long respected, would commission members of a political activist group to do such a series,” he added.
Referring to one of the editorials, in which eight members of Independent Sage look at how COVID-19 policy affected children and schools, he questioned why no paediatricians were involved and noted the analysis was “littered with errors”.
Independent SAGE notoriously pushed for schools to remain closed in 2020 until Covid was eradicated. In the new article members claim the September 2020 return to school “may have accelerated community spread”. They also criticise the Government that the use of face masks by schoolchildren was “undervalued and de-emphasised”.
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The first shall be last!
Merry Christmas – I wish.
Gonna be an awful lot more Tiny Tims this Christmas – and for what exactly? I really hope we have that Nuremberg Mark II and find out how many of them knew exackerterly what they were doing.
2nd
I’ve no idea where the second shall end up (maybe in a minute, eventually?)
I never saw Granny (in the carehome) after March, too late now. Please please please see your Granny this Christmas if you can!!!
Hello – Ontario counts suicide victims as COVID-19 fatalities
https://tnc.news/2020/12/13/ontario-counts-suicide-victims-as-covid-19-fatalities/
Now that is Science!
Hot mic moment. Ontario Canada ‘Chief Medical Doctor and expert’ on CV 19 says ‘I just say whatever they write down for me’. Before this, she is telling the sheep that if you are not sick you are still spreading CV 19 so you need many many Jabs. No science to that claim.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CDcj9YuLxDBn/?fbclid=IwAR3
Criminals cover their crimes.. This is disgusting
It’s happening in Ireland. Definitely crimes against humanity.
It’s sadly too late for me too, mine died in August in a care home.
She was a huge part of our Christmas Day and I’m going to miss seeing her this year.
Dear T <b>Stop this pro lockdown nonsense. Actions speak louder that words. Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have demonstrated clearly that the entire media and political class know the The Corona hysteria is a load of nonsense.</b>
<i><b>Dr JOHN LEE saw through the nonsense early on. He was once allowed to write in the Spectator.</b></i>
<i>The clampdown that is just bureaucratic insanity: Dr JOHN LEE argues that putting London into Tier 3 lockdown could cripple the capital</i>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9053311/DR-JOHN-LEE-clampdown-just-bureaucratic-insanity.html
The Corona Scandal/Crimes Against Humanity trials will be the biggest in human history. Most likely taking years to complete. Politicians, Pharma, the banks, the media etc. will need to be tried in their own categories by specialised lawyers. I hope to see those responsible face life sentences for the poverty, deaths from cancelled medical treatments and the suicides they’ve caused. There is also the issue of future health problems yet to surface from face masks, especially worn by children
A usually busy, centuries old pub in my home town has closed. Boarded up for sale. Shocking to see. The virus didn’t shut it down – politicians did
If current events are indeed part of the World Economic Forum’s ‘Great Reset’ then maybe justice will be impossible
If the situation were hopeless, the propaganda would be unnecessary.
There is no intention of going back and bridges are burning with every passing day.
Stalin used people to get power and later got rid of them. Likewise to set up an industrialised Soviet – and then got rid of them.
So you may see in due course a new source of mind leverage for guilt and shame in many who are currently selling out or complying in ignorance.
Doctors will be replaced with AI or screen systems linked to smart devices and medication directives.
The political system has to be set as so dysfunctional and incompetent as to drive the morally disgusted into the arms of the technocrats.
Free thinking is being reframed as dangerous and unregulated.
So yes the ‘system’ may morph to evade disclosure.
The Reset is similar to the depiction of the Tower of Barad-dor in Tolkien’s Mordor. Babel was another famous tower.
I don’t seek vengeance but the restoration of the conditions for support of life in truth, rather than life in captivity.
I give (the wish for) vengeance to the trust that all is truly resolved under a Higher Court. You have to answer to your self – regardless how you may engage in masking manouvres.
At the same time the Law is the true basis for determining and checking crime.
But is only as good as the calibre of those who safeguard, and represent its definitions and enforcement. Nothing at a higher level is allowed to be brought to law now that might reveal the utter corruption of a house of Cards – and so by hook or by crook it isn’t – or is fudged over.
Complicity in crime -even if under duress – can put people in a captive or compromise situation where if they come clean they are damned by the public and by the criminal network or agenda that they have in one way of another.
people only have to believe they might be infected to be mind-captured. This applies far wider than a bad cold.
Barad Dur surely?
These up and down ticks – no way of knowing if someone has got 20 upticks cancelled out by 20 down ticks, or if they have simply had no ticks either way as no one feels strongly about their post, is there.
No matter, likely no one will read this now anyway…
I just want to live long enough to see condign punishment visited on all the Covid criminals.Even if I have to live past my century and will be too old to dance on their graves.
Me too!!
Do a jig.
We’ll dance for you!
So wasn’t Easter supposed to be sacrificed and put off until Christmas? Now they’re trying to push Christmas off until Easter. I’m sensing a pattern here. I don’t have a horse in this race as I don’t celebrate either, but I’m pissed off on behalf of everyone who wants and needs to see their families over the holidays. I’m fortunate that my family isn’t fussed and we’ve continued to see each other throughout. Don’t comply!
We do not consent!
Christmas is an important Pagan Sun worship festival that was appropriated by the early Christian church. The modern incarnation is nothing more than Consumermas, which personally I am glad to see the back of this year. But the way the UK government has abused the good will of the British people regarding these “five days” is nothing short of abominable.
Fishy Sturgeon’s going to be popular if she ruins Christmas as well as hogmany (another pagan festival no doubt) isn’t she?
Incidentally, the Summer solstice was appropriated by us for the feast of that voice in the wilderness, Stt. John the Baptist. I dare say things will still not be back to normal by then. Good night!
Even for the godless, it isn’t the consumerism that matters, it’s the socialising, the gaiety and the goodwill. As a Christian, I’ve always disliked the consumerism, but the goodwill is an emanation from the central Good and do destroy it is diabolical. And to consent fo its being destroyed is nearly as diabolical as to be one of the destroyers.
I dare the UK government to go full-on Puritan and declare the total cancellation of Christmas.
The last time they did that it didn’t go down well.
Sir Desmond Swayne has been consistently reminding the government that fact.
No one will do anything bro, the British people are spineless fucking cowards and will walk hand in hand into total lockdown tyranny forever and no cunt will do anything. I predict in whatever i end up doing i will be shot and killed by the state for doing it. The fucking people will just turn away. I wear my confederate t-shirt with pride because i’m a rebel at heart. Funny how it’s the Children of the Stones whom have the bottle while all the salt of the earth working classes sit on their fat stupid asses and lap up this whole fucking shitshow. As long as they can watch TV, surf the internet and eat fucking doughnuts these cunts will let the facist government rule over them any fucking way they like.
I was in England at the weekend and let me tell you there are way more people in Scotland upset about this than down in England. Holy shit it’s like everyone is already dead. I pulled into a Tesco’s and saw a hundred people lining up to wash their hands in sanitiser, not the queue to get in the shop, no just for the hand wash. I breezed in without a mask, was challenged by some immigrant, told this fucker i don’t speak babble and breezed on in. England is on it’s fucking knees and it’s pathetic to see. really fucking pathetic.
Unfortunately you’re right. I live in an area with a high-ish immigrant population and they’re the worst when it comes to compliance. It’s pretty much zombie central here.
I agree the asians and blacks seem more paranoid than the whites…not that the latter are much better now. However early on it was noticeable that all asians wore masks.
Not where I live. I go to the Indian-owned shop and most people don’t wear masks and it’s about the only place I haven’t once been challenged. Also my friend lives in a road in Slough where hers is the only white family. She told me her neighbours and plenty of others had people round all the time including in first lockdown. Apparently they’ve nearly all had the virus, some were a bit ill and now just cracking on as usual.
A virus?
Actually that doesn’t match my observations – I see quite a lot of unmasked young black men.
Well said Sir
100%..I keep saying this almost every day. The fight has gone out of the people, compliance is almost total. Sometimes I think my life would be so much easier if I just put on a mask, swallowed the bullshit, complied with everything and just followed the flock blindly. But I can’t , I’m a fighter at heart and so I plod one, day after day. Like I said yesterday, I do not know a single person who is sceptic, everybody has swallowed this wholesale. yes people complain how they can’t breath in masks, and then pull their right up, how they hate going to the supermarket and then take the sanitizer from their bags and pockets and manically clean their hands, how the government will not tell them what to do and then look at you like you are insane when you invite them to your house for a cup of tea and cake…Like Biker I will probably not live longer as I will violently resist this until I go down fighting.
The fight has gone out of the people, compliance is almost total.
Yep, that’s what I’m seeing down here. It’s like a load of vegetables wandering around.
That’s their problem not mine.
‘Maskoids are us’ it is in staffs and shropshire. I know a few local sceptics and they all seem to be 40s/50s….male…and self employed.
maybe thats what we all have in common w e re all fighters at heart like thomas
I am as angry as you but I also live in hope. There are many many sceptics worldwide against this shitshow. Many more people ( I believe) have woken up. It’s up to us to keep fighting and show these people they are not helpless.they are just taking longer than us.
Got it in one. I’m ashamed of so many people that were family and friends, that are lying on their backs waiting for the government to tickle their tummies or throw them a scraggy bone, or chain them to the doghouse outside, whilst all the time they cuss me for not being obedient enough. Mr Hancart and me feel like the only rebels in town, amidst the frankly vile looking maskies. But I’m proud and thankful of all my fellow sceptics who are standing up to this crap, and fighting against this tyranny.
I agree with you Biker. For an exquisitely low opinion of the human species, they have somehow still managed to utterly fail me. They deserve what’s coming.
Not where I live it’s not, but then our lives don’t revolve round fucking Tesco
if i see there annoying Tesco advert with it’s naughty step I am going to fire bomb My local tesco extra
If they did then maybe a few more zombies would wake up. I think the harder they push, more people will start to resist.
Here, here. I’m an Atheist and anti-consumer. Christmas is about the family, the good will, the traditions, and the marking of the passing of the seasons and years. It’s necessary ritual for the soul.
Very much agree with that. My favourite item on the Christmas menu is to visit a cathedral and hear a mighty organ and the hushed voices of the choir. Of course that has been destroyed this year. I gave up commercialism and Christmas presents many many years ago.
Oh, bullshit.
But I’m with you on the abuse of power bit.
NO such thing as Pagan’s bro. That’s a word christians used to describe the people they murdered who were before them. Picts like me aren’t Pagans, we’re Picts and we understood that the Equinox was an important landmark in the earths passage round the sun. So accordingly we had a little knees up. Christians on the other hand believe in utter pish and as such had to murder anyone who didn’t agree with them out of embarrassment that they could believe in such mumbo jumbo. I too despise Christmas because of this. 20th of December is the winter Equinox and on that night we will be partying in the studio resulting in a mass orgy of all our friends. Wine, weed, whisky, Grape, Grain and Port for my old man, he’s old fashioned like that.
Sounds like a cool Yule.
The Winter ‘Solstice’ is the 21st or 22nd of December each year.
Apparently, it used to be the 13th – St.Lucy’s day – that was considered the shortest day. I remember my old boss always saying ‘winter draws on’ on the 21st, and ‘winter draws off’ on the Spring solstice. I was a simple soul and always laughed. Well, you do when you’re a kid, don’t you?
I’d imagine that would be because of the change from Julian to Gregorian calendar.
I believe the confusion in solstice dates comes from the time lags between the old (Roman) Julian calendar and the roll-out of the more-accurate late-Medieval Gregorian calendar.
In Roman times under the Julian calendar, the winter solstice fell on 25th December so this was chosen as the fixed feast date of Christmas. After 2000 years of drift, the Julian solstice date doesn’t align any more with this fixed Christian feast date. And in the Scandinavian countries, which only converted to Gregorian in the last 100 years, the solstice date under Julian fell on the 13th December.
There may be ritualists who still stick with the Julian calendar solstice date (13th December) for traditional religious reasons, who enjoy the St Lucy’s day symbolism even though her 13th December feast date is no longer the actual solstice on the Gregorian calendar.
As long as we all have a big Yuletide party and tell our evil governments to GIRFUY this year, I’m date agnostic to be honest.
you might think that but it starts on the 20th
It isn’t what I think, it is an astronomical fact that the sun reaches its most southerly declination on the 21st or 22nd. When you decide to party is your choice, obviously.
More condoms than masks at the orgy? Had enough of all this safety lol.
Ah, but the evenings are getting lighter from today!
No, from the 19th, and here in Scotland that still means sunset at 20 to 4!
Really? Down here in SW Devon by my calcs sunset is getting later after the 15th, from 16:12 or 13, and by other calculators after the 13th, but we’re talking seconds here obviously so there may be rounding errors. Don’t know why it would be any different in Scotland.
Yeah, I see that. I think it has to do with the difference in latitude, though I am open to being corrected. The difference in latitude certainly affects the particular day that, according to our calendar, the sun rises due east in the Spring
As I said, the choice of when to party is the partier’s (and if it is a party of the ‘eve’, it won’t always be on the 20th either), but that wasn’t the initial statement.
I’m liking you more and more! even if we don’t agree on much else.. I’m a Burns baby btw
It is The Solstice.
Saturnalia was a Roman winter pagan festival around the solstice which consisted of eating and drinking to excess amidst riotous behaviour. That is probably as close to what happens normally but most people don’t realise what it is they are ‘celebrating’.
It’s tougher now that we moved out of Toronto permanently and are 2 hours away from family, but that’s the only thing holding us back. My daughter and her boyfriend will be with us after spending Christmas with his family and my brother, niece and nephew will be up visiting us as well. Technically, where we live now is not under lockdown and we’re “allowed” to mix with people outside our household, but if I were still in Toronto I wouldn’t do anything differently despite the lockdown.
Very much wish that everyone would get back to normal and forget about all Christmas restrictions now. It’s not just the “spending time with family” thing – but I’ve personally come across family people that are obviously minimising/foregoing contact with friends before Christmas (for “the sake of their family”) and bang goes social contact single people were expecting/need to have. So their own families may not be suffering – but us single people are – because of our “friends” doing this.
Single people have been thrown under the bus by this virus response, it is appalling, if you don’t have a “family” or a “granny” you don’t count. When I was single my friends were my family. I wish I could arrange a big party for all the single sceptics.
No doubt. But as one of those single people I am also conscious of all the people who live in households where there is abuse, neglect and fear who no longer have access to wider support networks and extended family. However isolated I feel I remain thankful that I have not had to endure all this while trapped in such a situation.
Absolutely. When this all started, my main thought was, ‘Thank God I don’t live with anyone else’. If I had been living with my mother she would be dead by now, but not of the virus.
As a mixed group of London singles and coupled-up twentysomethings in the 90’s we would gather at whoever had the biggest flat and spend the evening of Xmas Day relaxing together, just the core 15 or so, no strangers.
We would not not have paid the slightest attention to hancock’s silly rules.
‘Tronno’ used to be famous for the ‘lookdown’ glass floor in the CN Tower. Now …..? An Ontario winter and high BAME population minus vitamin D? Not good. Got friends in Windsor – not happy.
both Our Countries are run by pricks Johnson & Trudeau enough said
I think those who really want to see their family will do. If its banned that makes lots more rule breakers which will hopefully red pill them. Plus more people see that the government are a bunch of lying bastards who cannot be trusted. The more people see that the better for us.
The basic truth is they don’t care about infection spread. What they really care about is people having a great time, feeling free and noticing that none of them got ill, despite all their cuddling and kissing granny she is still okay. As fighters will tell you, if you have someone on the floor keep you foot on his throat and do not let them up.
I shall remember that one if I become entangled with a Covid Marshall!
Politicians hate humanity
The intent is to condition the populations to willing compliance under adjusted expectations – and is ratcheting up tighter after every seeming relaxation – and in a line from the Terminator movies – “It will not stop!”.
Initially shutting most everything down convinced the public that the virus was THAT SERIOUS! – and while the revealed facts belie the claim, the underlying act of power to do this – and maintain it is itself the revealing of the fist behind the mask.
Unnamable fear is not really limited by its seeming specific limit to a virus and its narratives of shame and guilting, nor to a corrupted and evil suruping of our institutions and government that suddenly seem to have turned against us. This is too disturbing to even look at for many, as is the WEF/Rockefeller/China et al open (but tedious and boring mindf**k of PR) agenda for destroying the world to reset in their image.
God is sacrificed to a Virus. Covid runs as state religion. There can and will be no other – except as a form of identity conformed and supplied by the State.
That Script is the logical outcome to power struggle.
An Awakening Script looks on the same world with different eyes.
I decry crassmass but have a deep sense of what the birth of the Divine into a world set in fear actually means and unfolds. I also have a strong sense of the deep truth of convivial celebrations as a foundation for cultural exchange, renewal and expression.
I am thinking of the Czech Resistance tonight, who fought against desperate odds and yet ultimately prevailed against brutal fascist occupation and communist dictatorship. We can draw much inspiration from their example. They never, ever gave up, despite everything being stacked against them for years and decades on end. History only remembers this resistance, who comprised probably no more than 5% of the population. Nothing is written or remembered of the 95% who complied with every demand of their occupiers throughout. We may well not live to see our victory, but our fate as individuals is unimportant.
Antony Beevor discussing his book The Fall Of Berlin recalls a German journalist who, in January 1945, as a member of the Hitler Youth entered a grocery shop and gave the ubiquitous queue the zeig heil salute.
He was surprised that everybody stared at him as though he was mad, little realising how much things had changed in the short time he had been away.
In the later stages of the war, Nazi Party members tended to be less willing to wear their party badges in public. Normally these were worn on a lapel or sometimes a necktie.
You’re right. History is not made by sheeples.
No Resistance in WW2 succeeded in throwing off the Nazis by its own unaided efforts. But they sere the keepers of theit country’s soul. Just as we are.
NEVER give in.
Richard O, that is a great way to look at it, we may be the 5% but we are on the right side of history.
I’m resisting this dystopian hell not just for myself but for my grandkids, everyone’s kids and grandkids.
I just want them to enjoy the rights and freedoms I have and that were fought so hard for down the centuries by those before us.
Governments can try to inflict all manner of control over the people but they always fail once the majority of people resist.
Sadly, although the majority are quietly starting to complain, they are still compliant due to fear, not of a virus but that even more contagious phenomenon of social conformity…….and a massive dose of cowardice!
Can someone invent a vaccine against both of these deadly contagions…..please!
Yes, lots to learn from the Czechs. They actually count three resistance (odboj) movements: 1914-18 (independence movement), 39-45, and 48-89. Apart from the first, relatively few people were actively engaged.
An interesting figure for current crisis is Josef Šafařík, who is not well-known even in CR but was a major influence on V. Havel. In his book Letters to Melin, Šafařík, an engineer turned author, examines the metaphysical underpinning of technocracy, science as a power structure (and lots of other stuff). Published in 1948 (and withdrawn from shops only a few months after publication), still very relevant today and deserves to be better known.
That is the problem we (as in Lockdown Sceptics) face. Whilst I hope that sanity eventually prevails over here, I doubt that I will be around to see it. As others have frequently noted, the majority of British public seem blind to the severity of the situation. It could be a long time before enough of them start objecting with the force needed to bring an end to this shitshow…
My concern is that even if these stupid lockdown laws were overturned, they might not be overturned for some time. The issue this creates that people will miss out on things which has happened to me. This year I have missed out on my annual holiday. I live with my parents who have swallowed completely the fear porn propoganda pumped out by the MSM and government. In work we were going to have a takeaway at another office as a Christmas dinner as we couldn’t eat in a restaurant. I couldn’t go because my parents thought it was too dangerous and I had to miss it. My brother would bring his son to visit us every week. We had to miss out on this when visitors were not allowed in people’s houses. I used to go the gym twice a week but the gym had to close during two lockdowns in Wales. I can’t use the gym because there are no shower and changing facilities.
Other people will be in the same situation eg missing out on work Chrismtas dos if restaurants can’t open, not being able to invite friends around for children’s birthdays.
I have done distance learning courses. I have to travel to sit exams and if an exam is in the morning I have to book accommodation. I am concerned an exam centre will be in a tier where hotels have to close.
Well said. I would also recommend The Secret Army, a contemporaneous account of the Polish resistance under occupation. Virtually every Pole was either an active member of the organisation or aided it in ways both large and small.
On the wall of St Cyril’s Church where the Czechs fought to the death is a plaque memorialising the last stand of the Czech parachutists who carried out Operation Anthropoid, the assassination of Reinhardt Heydrich.
When they were cornered, the Germans shouted that there was no hope and that the parachutists should give up; they shouted from the crypt “We are Czechs and we will never surrender!” This phrase is carved into the plaque, and has become a national motto.
I pray that this motto become ours, in due time.
There is a major ethics problem with how they are handling the vaccine. It amounts to unethical experimentation on millions of people without their consent. The International Journal of Clinical Practice has an article on:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease…
….disclosure of the specific risk of worsened COVID‐19 disease from vaccination calls for a specific, separate, informed consent form and demonstration of patient comprehension in order to meet medical ethics standards. The informed consent process for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials does not appear to meet this standard.”
Yet the patient information for the vaccine from the UK, US and Canada don’t even mention the issue exists, let along ensure people understand it.
There risk is still there: the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization explicitly notes: “risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies”.
No matter how well intentioned this is: it should be viewed as an astonishingly egregious violation of medical ethics. Millions of people are lining up to get a shot without fully realizing the risks or grasping how experimental it is.
Out of frustration I collected links to government documents and scientific journal articles on this issue and created a site with more information and a petition objecting to it, this is the part of it:
The non-partisan US government’s Congressional Research Service explained: “experts are concerned about the potential for vaccine enhanced disease, in which vaccination could worsen the health effects of COVID-19 infections […]. Animal studies of other coronavirus vaccines have found some potential for vaccine enhanced disease”
A medical journal says after the dengue vaccine’s initial effect faded “vaccinated children in the 2–5 year age group, were found to be nearly 8 times likely to be hospitalized for severe dengue, compared to children in the placebo group”.
Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.
Unfortunately the short testing period wasn’t long enough to assess the risk. Hopefully continued testing will discover COVID-19 vaccines are safe over the long run, but they don’t understand COVID-19 well enough to predict that. More science, government and other links for all of this at BuildVaccineTrust.com
This is a very important disclosure of a significant risk. The paper states:
‘COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.’
The responsibility for explaining all of the risks falls on the shoulders, not of the vaccine creators, or even the person administering the injection(if they are not a registered healthcare professional) but the prescribing physician as it is an off licence medication. If the person administering the vaccine is registered then they have a duty to check consent is informed. I don’t think there can be implied consent, usually if a patient presents an arm for blood pressure measurement for example then there’s implied consent, rolling up your sleeve for an injection wouldn’t be valid.
A rushed, experimental, indemnified vaccine predicted to cause unpleasant side effects and with Government ministers holding shares in the vaccine manufacturers (Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares), I would say events have helped BuildVaccineDistrust
Additionally, there is a weight of scientific evidence to suggest vitamin D supplementation provides protection against viruses at a fraction of the cost and without side effects
So would anyone care to tell me what is going on?
Can we have all our rights back once all the over 65s who want to take their chances have been offered a cv “vaccine”? Will it be safe and effective? And if not, will the pharmaceutical companies be in a lot of trouble next year, or will their exemption from liability see them right? Will they not sell anything too risky even so because of damage to their reputations? Or will ways be found of hiding the damage? And do the politicians really believe what they tell us, or do they know jolly well they are playing politics, keeping their funders/supporters happy etc? Or maybe a mixture?
We have not lost any rights that require regaining. They have merely been temporarily, arbitrarily and illegally suspended by a criminal government which should have no authority but for the millions of citizens who are unaware that their rights are inalienable, and thus have unknowingly ceded them to the state.
We trusted our rights away for three weeks back in March. The government have been abusing that trust ever since in collusion with the opposition.
So true. The near total compliance with the late March orders was our fatal error, and we continue to suffer terribly for it. Much like the recipients of Blitzkrieg in WW2. This attack came from a similar mindset (albeit with psychological weapons only). The end result for the perpetrators will be the same, but they can cause a lot more damage yet before they are defeated.
Absolutely right. The theatrical March lockdown in Wuhan was a dead giveaway. As soon as I found out the average age for Covid deaths was over 82 that was me done. I was ranting about this anti scientific crap in March to some bewildered friends and family. I’m so pleased that I was listening to Hitchins and Delingpole back then. Other wise I could have been the only sceptic in the country as far as I knew.
Yes you’re right. It was all super theatrical, from the beginning. I realize that now.
I didn’t trust them then, not for three weeks, not for three hours, not for three minutes. It was so obvious that human rights meant nothing to them and never had.
I have been against lockdown even before it started. I know some on this forum are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but I am not even prepared to do that.
agreed
I was suspicious from the start but the rona lives on cash bullshit did it for me as the final straw..a cashless society has always been their game so use cash as much as you can and civil disobedience whenever you can..
When PM Johnson announced that he was considering herd immunity I was impressed and hopeful. Sucker!
I nominate Covid-19 for Best Actor (gender neutral) in a supporting role.
Me neither I knew they were bad uns immediately on the 23rd March….no honeymoon period for me.
Bojo’s announcement was worse than sinister. It was transparently naff. He and his accomplices have been openly taking the piss since March. That’s the element of this that is so frightening. They might as well come out and moon us. They’re barely even pretending.
well sociopath hancock did pretend to cry.
Tiers(tears) of laughter
Just looked over yesterdays comments and i noticed you asked me why Talk Radio was off youtube last week.What people said at the time was its simply a technical problem.
Is it too late to nominate him for an Oscar?
Hah! I’m with you there, too.
Same over here in the good ol’ US.
Damn straight.
Silly goose
They were always privileges – not rights
Breaking News
Welsh Government press release
Contrary to press speculation we are pleased to announce that we will not be cancelling Christmas. The previous commitments in relation to Christmas will be honoured
We appreciate this has been a long hard year with many false dawns and we thank you once again for your perseverance
We are also pleased to announce an exciting new initiative that will completely eradicate the virus by 31st March 2021
As with many scientific breakthroughs the answer was right under our noses all along
As many of you know our great leader has been living in his garden shed since March. Our dear leader has been virus free as a result
Research shows that all virus carriers have been living in traditional residential properties such as houses, flats, etc
Therefore from 31st December we will commencing a policy of Residential Rationalisation
The plan is to destroy all traditional residential properties in Wales and replace them with garden sheds
Early on the 1st January REME units will commence the demolition of remote Welsh villages
Unfortunately it would take REME 14 years to complete this all Wales project
As a newly emerging world power we have been able to ask our American allies to assist us in this matter
Our allies have agreed to allow units of the USAF to commence the carpet bombing of Wales commencing on the 4th January
The initial carpet bombing will concentrate on major urban conurbations such as Cardiff, Swansea and Llanddewi Brefi*
Due to possible infrastructure damage we will be unable to announce localised Residential Rationalisation warnings
During the period of RR Police and Environmental Health Officers will be housed in special bomb proof shelters as part of a plan for them to later breed and create a race of Super Welsh
Sheds will be available for collection from the Senedd from August 2022
Stay Home Stay Sober Stay Safe**
Oh! and have a Merry Christmas
Note to editors
At last, a plan to get out of this mess, which makes real sense!
Destruction as the only path to salvation. It would have to be the USAF (or similar) as well, the UK government cannot command sufficient military resources for such a plan. Short of nuclear weapons of course, and I bet even those are rotting and unusable.
“Short of nuclear weapons of course, and I bet even those are rotting and unusable”
The last time they fired one, it went off course (towards the USA instead of out towrds the open ocean) and it had to be destroyed. Past their “nuke-by date”, I think.
o/t Cecil, yesterday Alex Belfied YouTube had Dragonbreath giving the vote to 16 year olds, foreign residents and guests of HMP.
Why ?
Because they have been thoroughly brainwashed.
Dungford will ensure no tiers are shed over this plan!
Sounds like he’s becoming Drakeford Drakeford Drakeford with a nod to Catch 22
More like Torah Torah Torah.
One does hope that Dripford realises this is typical British satirical humour LOL. Do you think he shares the British sense of humour – or won’t the Nationalists let him?
Brilliant!!!!
In that case Happy New Year!
As often, C. S. Lewis sums up the quintessence of good and evil in a ‘fantasy’ stories that have turned out to mirror a deadly reality.
What epitomises the sufferings of Narnia under the Evil Witch? It’s always winter and NEVER CHRISTMAS.
And when the Witch comes across a happy party nevertheless enjoying a Christmas dinner, she waves her wand and turns them all to stone.
I’ll tell you why the evil bastards are so terrified of Christmas. It’s in case people mix and mingle in hordes and NOTHING HAPPENS. No ‘surges’, no dead grannies. Where’s their terror-power thrn, the evil bastards?
Sadly,they’ll just invent and present yet more lying stats that the majority will faerfully accept without question.
I don’t think they can get away with that tactic anymore because Heneghan is after them. Hence the ludicrous “new variant” nonsense this week.
There will be new variants conjured up so long as governments find them useful and so long as stupid humans believe them
But we thought, back in June, that the BLM marches would have had this effect on the minds of the Covid-enthralled. Sadly logic no longer reigns.
Nobody thought that. Because they were outdoors.
The problem with organised protests is not that they spread disease, it’s that they spread ideas, info and hope.
Hence why it’s ok for work nonsense but not for anything else.
Don’t protest outdoors, protest indoors.
All those selfish granny killers invading the parks and beaches.
That is exactly the situation of which they are terrified. They know the “second wave” peaked in the week ending the 23rd October and it peaked in tier 3 (MK 1) before the tiers even came in. Whether they will be able to manufacture another “spike” in the new year we will see but the vaccine rollout isn’t going to happen fast enough to cover up a lack of a peak and then people might start noticing the emperor hasn’t any clothes on.
Quite. It didn’t “surge” with the XR protests. It didn’t “surge” with the BLM protests. And neither did it “surge” on the supposedly overcrowded beaches in the summer. Three data points and people still don’t see the obvious.
You know the real problem annie, it’s where they get their propaganda from. I bet the vast majority have never stepped away from MSM or the BBC, GMB bubble. But what a fantastic use of propaganda, from the faked Wuhan deaths, the Italian hospitals, the daily death toll, asymptomatic transmissions, killing granny, save the NHS, police arresting walkers, drones, then summer holidays bringing back more death, BLM peaceful protests, violent anti vaxer protests, Cases rising, cases rising dangerously, the vaccine will save us, cancel Easter. Close schools, the young are killing granny, more cases, government terror predictions, death, death, and Cases. And now cancel christmas to save the NHS. Reminds me of mr incredible in the Pixar film. I keep saving the world, but then it gets into trouble again and I think can’t you stay out of trouble for five minutes! Replace world with NHS. I look at the BBC website every day to get a feeling of what we are up against. Its mostly lies, and doom and gloom. The only positive things they show is if it’s to do with the vaccine.
That’s why they want to destroy pubs, cafés, restaurants, bars, concerts, sporting events,.. Because those places and events are where people mix and come together and that’s what politicians are afraid of
You are close, but my own thoughts are that they want to shut down the main causes of people going to A&E and hospital in general. As alcohol is one of the key drivers of A&E admissions, removing the key ingredient is their answer to solving the NHS demand issue.
The other, of course, being GP referals, which is why since Febrary, almost nobody has been able to to see a GP. Why else would surgeries have answer phone messages saying
“If you are ill, do not come to the surgery.”
You have to ask where am I suppose to go then, bloody Asda ?
Ontario counts suicide victims as COVID-19 fatalities
https://tnc.news/2020/12/13/ontario-counts-suicide-victims-as-covid-19-fatalities/
Canada is fucked, they used to be made of hardy stuff and fucked moose outside in Winter but now they’re run some racist cuck who hates white people, and white men especially, loves black cock and wants to kill everyone until those left do exactly what he wants.
Underrated post
Calls for an emergency COBRA meeting not to discuss domestic terrorism or the next cyber attack originating from Russia or Iran – no, to decide whether or not the stupid plebs should be allowed to celebrate Christmas with their families in the privacy of their own homes.
Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, it matters not – we need to urgently consign these Communist, WEF puppets to the dustbin of political history. These are sick, dangerous people who must be stopped.
Celebrating Christmas is domestic terrorism. That’s why it was hammered home relentlessly back in March/April that we were transitioning into a new normal. No idle propaganda gimmick, this was a vicious and premeditated attack by a remorseless and relentless enemy that will never stop until we stop them.
Right on brother! It’s a step by step erosion of all our rights and freedoms. Time to reverse the process.
Yes the destruction of our culture seems to be very important to them.
Do you know what, I hope they do ban Christmas because then, when they want to lock us all down again in January, because of a so-called ‘3rd wave’, they can’t blame ‘the people’. Except, oh no I forgot, ‘the people’ will be blamed anyway, won’t they, as they were obviously not following the rules properly. I’m sick of meeting people in our local area who are now so cowed and indoctrinated by the fear-mongering and one-sided reporting of all this, that they have literally become like robots going about their daily business. The only positive thing I saw in our local town yesterday was the new ‘Covid truths’ newsletter, papered across the inside of the windows of our local Wetherspoon’s for all to see. Wonder if it will still be there this time next week?
You express a very strange psychological state that I have strongly felt and which must have recent, documented historical precedent. As a society degenerates into authoritarianism, those who oppose it are willing the authorities to implement ever more absurd restrictions in the hope that it will trigger a mass resistance. Sadly I think we are well past that point now, the Rubicon has been crossed and the majority will continue to do whatever they are told by the state. I don’t think any of us will really know when the actual turning point has been reached. Our only choice is to battle on, day after painful day.
https://youtu.be/V_g3CwEbQtU
Quote from William Kingdom Clifford plus discussion.
You’re right. The sheeples are jostling to enter the slaughterhouse. There’s nothing, nothing they won’t take. It’s up to us to fight tyranny, not assist it.
Someone posted here recently that most people living under tyranny don’t realise it. A good example is North Korea – this attitude was evident in Michael Palin’s TV programme about his visit there a year or two ago.
I’m sure you are right. If Hopeless Hancock told people to hop on one leg 3 times before entering a shop ( it shakes off the Covid, don’t you know) they would do it. No brain is engaged by the public.
The Ministry of Silly Cucks.
Do you really think so Richard? I’m still hoping that something will happen to wake people up. Am I being naive?
That was reported as happening in Swale, Kent, yesterday here on LS, is yours somewhere else ?
Same here. My local area is populated by zombies and my workplace is no better. After having to put up with my local area during the first lockdown, I actively boycott it now – its a depressing place with no local businesses, little to no green spaces and loads of people particularly students making a nuisance of themselves.
Blimey where is this area?
Yes I saw them too as all the muzzled sheep shuffled past the closed pub.
35th!
35th taketh the pifth.
This is well worth reading in full and pondering on: https://dailysceptic.org/the-risk-to-granny/
Guy de la Bédoyère looks at women over 75 in England & Wales and calculates that in an average year 6.7% of them will die, based on freely available stats
Then he says this:
“This recent Imperial College article (October 2020) explains that that an IFR for COVID-19 of about 0.1% for under-40s rises to over 5% for the over-80s (it doubles for about every 8 years of life over 40). In other words, of 100 people aged over 80 who catch COVID-19 up to about 6 will die. That’s another way of saying that 94 will survive Covid. That’s both sexes and we know women do slightly better.”
The risk from covid to this group seems to me to be remarkably similar to the risk of dying anyway. Now we here all probably knew this, but in my view this is the most realistic way of looking at it and a very powerful argument – instead of telling people that the IFR for over-80s is over 5%. which still sounds scary, you can tell them that the chances someone dying from covid IF THEY CATCH IT are more or less the same as their chances of dying generally based on last year’s figures. I expect the same approach could be applied to any other group.
Please point out what I’ve missed. There’s scope for a nice chart here.
That the risk of dying of covid is similar to dying of anything else this year was known when the first data came back from Italy in March. It was popularised mainly by Professor Spiegelhalter from Cambridge. In the early days he said we just have to sort of get through this and that any intervention was just to stop that 1 year of extra death happening in a couple of months if everyone got rapidly infected.
Michael Leavitt always contended it was more like 1 extra month of death (due to the IFR being lower than presumed, previous immunity etc).
Private Eye pointed this out, back in the spring, yet has continued with its orthodox lockdownism ever since. I agree with you that it sounds like a killer fact: but apparently the people who believe in the covid cult aren’t reachable by facts.
‘Cult’ is the opposite of ‘fact’.
It has been a shock to realise that the country in which I thought I lived no longer exists.
It should not have been. There have been blindingly obvious clues along the way; the impossibility, any longer, of being a ‘Briton’; pedestrians in Sloane Square, none of them looking skywards as the Battle of Britain Flight flew over; the bizarre outpourings of grief by so many over the death in a car crash of Diana, Princess of Wales; 40% support for Mr Corbyn; parliament’s refusal to implement the democratically expressed will of the electorate; the British Army diminished to a militia and sent to an arguably illegal war without essential equipment; Blair and Teflon Terry’s (oh..and then he did something just as illiberal at Ofcom!) illiberal tyranny of the majority hunting act……….and so on and so forth, culminating in this total weird out…..
Britain, in my lifetime, has welcomed roughly 4 million new citizens 1945-1997 and at least another 10 million, net, since then.
Make of that what you will, but in numbers alone, that is seismic……..
For the record I voted Remain in 2016 and Corbyn in 2019, totally against my principles, and fuelled purely out of a near irrational (at the time) hatred of the leader of the other side in both of those elections. Namely Johnson. If he has anything to do with anything, it has always been, is and will continue to be toxic death. Above all others he deserves a lifetime custodial sentence.
He is a politician, most of whom are complete nincompoops, simply talk for a living….but he is supposed to be supported by a competent bureaucracy. It is crystal clear that he is, in fact, surrounded by other politicians with civil service titles but no professional substance……..
Has there ever been a politician who harboured a greater distance between their image of themselves and their actual performance than Johnson? Dictators like Stalin surely did, but at least he excelled in evil. Johnson can’t even do that.
I admit to having been fooled by Johnson, or rather by wishful thinking. I wasn’t too bothered about his ‘competence’ because I assumed that his job was not to understand how a spreadsheet worked, but to understand history, the importance of liberty and so on. I assumed that Johnson was the man to do that. I was wrong.
I don’t know what to make of him, now. But I have learned something: until you have experienced it, you can’t grasp why those older than you are so implacably cynical about politicians. I understand now.
The articles from his days in journalism are very revealing. Here speaks an eccentric, upper class libertarian, seemingly committed to upholding the freedom of the individual and the independence of the nation state.
Now we know he values none of these things. The public persona was a charade. This is a man who above all else loves his image of himself, and nothing else. In reality he is utterly hopeless, and very weak. Which is why he is one of the worst political leaders in all of human history. Not necessarily a bad guy actually (although I believe he certainly is), just thoroughly shite.
He wrote those libertarian articles at a time when it cost him nothing. This year he has been called to account for his principles. He hasn’t any.
Narcissist.
Yep. No doubt about it. Full blown NPD.
Carrie loves him though…for the time being…..
56 year old, serial adulterer, two marriages shot to pieces, 32 year old girlfriend/soul-mate and mother of his 6th, 7th or 8th child. She will not be his last conquest.
For me this was always the red flag. He’s a man-boy. And he cares not for the hearts of others.
Power may well be an aphrodisiac, but most of these children were conceived when he was nothing politically.
Kissinger had a much more solid approach. A far superior bastard all round really.
How the fuck could you vote remain? The EU is just another layer of government we need rid of. For that reason alone you should have vote leave. I’d get rid of Parliament, the scottish parliament and local councils myself. I think between us we can get by without the kind of people who want these things
On the plus side Left and Right are now meaningless terms
Coronatarians are on both “sides”
Freedom fighters also
My doubts about Johnson began when I read about his state visit to Erdogan in Turkey. Brown nose.
Blair was given the Native American name of “Walking Eagle”.
(WE is applied to eagles that are so full of shit that they can’t fly.)
It should have been ‘The Eagle That Cannot Even Walk’!
UPDATE
That’s even better than Fat Pang for Patten.
At least Corbyn voted against the second lockdown …
And the Iraq war
Thats true…I am not too sure what his reasoning was but a vote against is a vote against.
It’s remarkable to look at the ONS data
1970 55.6M
1980 56.3M
1990 57.2M
2000 58.9M
2010 62.8M
2020 67.2M
Growing up in th 80s, the 56M figure was a typical quiz question and well known because it was so stable.
add at least 10% to any official figure quoted
I would wager the UK population is closer to 90 Million
They wouldn’t be trying to implement Halal on the downlow if it wern’t
So the thing that I and others pointed out many months ago, that the way Covid was attributed was vague due to policy change and wide symptom ranges, coupled with clear confirmation bias took LS 6 months or so to work out.
And the government not.
This same data is then fed into models and was fed into the original Ferguson model and other simple ones providing stupidly overblown projections and damage.
All of which could have been prevented if theoretical people had listened to the practical people.
It’s very simple: make sure you measuring the thing you say you are measuring.
Frankly in any job I’ve worked on this would have got my fired and most likely charged.
So as we have said all along THERE IS NO CRISIS.
Not a Covid crisis, no.
A totalitarian oppression crisis.
Every lie helps them.
Evert bit of truth helps us.
About ready to call it quits. Don’t care anymore, lost everything, and this world is raving mad. Fuck it.
What are you going to do?
I think that’s obvious – unfortunately. I know there’s probably a lot of us considering our options (as the phrase goes) and that have got some stage we will not go beyond. I am certainly thinking that “I can give this Bloody Lockdown only so long to go away and life to get back to Normal – and, if it still hasn’t done so, then I can’t shift my Society, but I can/might shift myself (ie right out the door in the direction of Heaven via suicide)”. The Government can continue to deny me my rightful life I should be living – but they can’t make me stay on Earth and put up with it and I reserve the right to leave and will seriously weigh up whether to “stay here waiting for Normal Life to resume” or give it up as a bad job and leave. So – yep – I think that’s what he/she means – and I can fully understand and sympathise.
Many of us are circling this drain. Death is something I have devoted a lot more of my time to this year than I was expecting. I have little invested here but will stick around as long as I can, if nothing else to fuck off the assholes who want this new bullshit world.
And I’m still convinced that the truth will prevail here, but accept that I may well not live to witness this.
I don’t think it is obvious Eliza.
There’s a whole raft choices.
1. Dismantle their business and claim benefits.
2. Stop visiting this site and watch BBC news.
3. Commit suicide.
4. Turn violent in Tesco.
5. Commit a terrorist crime to get rid Boris.
6. Start a new political party.
7. Organise a demonstration.
8. Live their life according to the teachings of Alistair Crowley.
Need I go on?
Yes, I can fully understand and sympathise too. But stay strong, resist, don’t let the bastards win.
This is the essence of it, as you say. The Government is denying us the right to live our lives
You can’t call it quits. You can’t become a zombie. You know the truth.
The world has not gone mad, a significant proportion of the humans are having one of their periodic psychotic episodes but the Ravens and the Buzzards soaring over the local woods have not gone mad at all. The sparrowhawk shooting through our garden and taking down pigeons has not gone mad and this death does not bother the other pigeons, they have had a good year and their numbers are well up. It has been a close contact with the natural world that has helped me keep all this in context especially when it all seems very bleek.
I wholeheartedly agree. I live in the countryside and not much has changed. All the things that make city living good have gone. Everything that makes countryside living good is still here
Me too. Seagulls, waves, horses, rooks, rain, manure, dogs, robins .. Nature is sane. Only Zombie is vile, and Zombie lives in ratholes in cities.
Go live with people who have not been tainted by all this bullshit. Find some support groups.
But let’s look on the bright side…..trials may very well confirm that BCG vaccination provides protection against viral respiratory infections.
‘Between May 11 and June 18, 2020, 6,201 healthcare workers gave blood samples and answered questions about their medical history, including whether they had received BCG and vaccines against two other bacterial infections and influenza.’
‘“We were interested in studying the BCG vaccine because it has long been known to have a general protective effect against a range of bacterial and viral diseases other than TB, including neonatal sepsis and respiratory infections,” says co-senior author Dr. Moshe Arditi, director of the Pediatric and Infectious Diseases and Immunology Division at Cedars-Sinai.’
‘these results indicate that a history of BCG vaccination confers a nonspecific protective effect against infection with SARS-CoV-2 and decreases the presence of self-reported COVID-19 symptoms.’
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tuberculosis-vaccine-may-help-protect-against-covid-19#COVID-19-symptoms-and-antibodies
BCG vaccinations were introduced in 1953 and so I guess many people in their mid to late 70s will have had BCG but people over 80 much less likely. I think it was phased out as a routine treatment in 2005 and so only targeted people under 30 will have had BCG. Just sets me wondering whether the Covid vaccines will interfere with this BCG immunity? The human immune system is complex, delicate and finely balanced I do wonder how much vaccine interventions our immunity systems can reasonably take?
Having had TB (twice) due to not being inoculated as a teen, I can tell you that BCG has a life of 14 years. Hence teens being previously given it to take them up to the age of 30.
I have 3 children who were all given BCG when they were babies (as I had TB when pregnant with my first). They needed another jab in their teens.
My point is, BCG coverage wanes with age.
Sort of. BCG inoculation is also not very effective in adults so 14 years old is about the oldest that it’s worth giving it to someone anyway. Lots of vaccines benefit from a “booster”, but it is still very much an individual response. Hence why it’s usually preceded a week before by that little antibody test on your wrist to see if you needed it or not.
‘Investigators now report results of a unique 60–year follow-up to a placebo-controlled BCG vaccination study among American Indians and Alaskan Natives, who were deemed to be at high risk for developing TB. Vaccinations were performed from 1935 through 1938, when participants were 1 month to 20 years old.’
https://www.jwatch.org/id200405070000002/2004/05/07/bcg-vaccine-efficacy-lasts-60-years
I agree, but it should, of course, in my view, be a personal choice. If individuals are terrified of covid 19, then a vaccination may be of considerable comfort to them.
As far as I am concerned, so many of us are going to die of respiratory disease in advanced age that trying to avoid well over 160 different viruses, most of which kill people on or about the normal life expectancy, is utterly pointless.
But, clearly, very large numbers of people see it completely differently…….
I had a terrible reaction to a BCG jab I was forced to have at work (NHS) and it ruined my heath forever, I had to retire. As for protection against viral illnesses, I had the vaccination around 2000 and nearly died from pneumonia in 2004. My health was permanently damaged and I was told at the time that the BCG jab can have serious implications as it can send the immune system into overdrive. I had terrible urticaria and couldn’t even wear shoes, jewellery and my lips split and I ended up being unable to swallow. Then I got auto immune diseases and other issues, including cancer.
I ended up in hospital as a teen after the BCG jab
Hopefully this gets me out of the Frankenjab
Really sorry to hear that.
NHS current advice appears to be that BCG vaccinations should not be given to adults.
That is no doubt why current trials of BCG vaccination for healthcare workers are taking their time.
‘Two groups at especially high risk of infection and disease are front line health care workers working directly with COVID-19 patients and elderly residents of group homes or facilities that provide skilled nursing care to this frail population. Interim measures to protect these groups while we await a high efficacy vaccine are desperately needed.’
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04632537
I see the Government are spending £12bn of taxpayers money on vaccines. What an absolute disgrace. I must remind everyone there is a 1 in 300000 chance of a healthy person under 70 year old catching Covid and dying. There is absolutely no need for a vaccine!
Having spent the money, they will need to use them.
Pharma shareholders want feeding
Hugh has posted below that he hopes to see a Nuremberg Mark 2 take place after this.
Whom would we like to see on the “Judging Panel”?
There are so many from which to choose.
Anders Tegnell? Alan Jones from Sky News Australia? Peter Hitchens? Dr John Lee? Professor Carl Heneghan? Dr Mike Yeadon? Certainly Lord Sumption as chief judge. Sunetra Gupta? Dr Claire Craig? Professor Allyson Pollock? I might even let Julia Hartley-Brewer sit at the very end of the bench (if she didn’t mention the vaccine) for the excellent job she has done in making politicians look stupid.
I couldn’t fit on here all the evil ones who should be in the dock at this trial, but I do think there should be a special dock built for Matt Hancock, at least two metres away from the rest of them. He so deserves it.
Now who is going to volunteer as chief executioner?
Stand back, I’m first.
Hugh must be dreaming, these fuckers will be given Peerage’s and be living it up in the House Of Lords until their nose falls out the trough for their service to keeping us all safe.
I’m afraid you’re right Biker. It’s more than disgraceful-rewards for bad behaviour.
‘You see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’, I dream of things as they might be and ask ‘Why not?”
George Bernard Shaw
Does anybody know the chain of command that sent infected people into care homes?
NHS?
Health Secretary?
Civil Service?
Has this been investigated at all?
“In 1346, the bodies of Mongol warriors of the Golden Horde who had died of plague were thrown over the walls of the besieged Crimean city of Kaffa.”
The Amnesty Care Homes report may help you:
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=
The Fascists buried that report very effectively.But it still exists and will be used at their trial.
Is anyone following this bollocks? I’m at the studio or garage every day where loads of us meet and do what we do, i’m in and out of all my friends houses, i don’t wear a mask, i’m still doing everything normal people do. These lockdown people need to fuck right off. I’ll be having my very elderly parents round for Christmas just like they’ve been coming round whenever they want all through is nonsense.
When are these clowns in charge gonna get it thru their thick fucking skulls lockdowns don’t work, we don’t want their Davos new world order and we don’t believe they are saving anyones life?
That Labour cunt is really annoying me with his self-righteousness, If it were to come out he was friends with grooming gangs and had a history of living in Leeds under an assumed name it wouldn’t surprise me.
Therein lies the rub, he was crying crocodile tears on Twitter over the loss of jobs but its glad to see people calling him out on his hypocrisy and reminding him that he wanted a harder lockdown similar to France and Spain.
Labour never learn and having that man as leader who is as bad as the previous one shows that they have a death wish.
Anyone with socialist tendencies is a total fucking moron and needs to be self-righteous because their beliefs are so stupid that when forced to defend them they can’t.
Socialism is slavery for people who are bad at maths.
Well said and I think deep down they know that they haven’t got a leg to stand on. I used to challenge my mother-in-law to think of policies that don’t involve “taxing the rich,” she could never always answer that.
Socialists don’t understand that the consumer always pays the tax. If they tax a company more, they pass the rise on to the consumer. It’s so simple that i can’t comprehend how they don’t know it. My answer is they pretend to like people but they actually hate them and themselves and when they see independent conservative minded people doing their own thing, supporting themselves etc they hate it. They are always moaning and blaming others for their own failures. I could have lived my life off my family no problem at all but i wouldn’t take a single penny from any of them. I made my own way in life, like my daddy and his daddy before him. We can look each other in the eye knowing we did it ourselves. Socialists imagine that someone i’m meant to help them out and always go one about what about people who can’t help themselves proving once and for all all they care about is virtue signalling. I’ll help out other people if i feel i can without causing them to lose face but i won’t just help some fucker who just wants me to.
As Mr Bart says its in their interest to keep people poor and discourage any aspiration. And woe betide and if you’re an ethnic minority (like me) who thinks for themselves and not parrot the narrative the left have created.
Reminds me of an interesting saying about the Democrat and Republican parties in the US. People say that the Democrat party is the party of the poor and the Republican party is the party of the rich. Well then, surely the Democrats want as many poor people as possible so they have a large voter base, and the Republicans want as many rich people as possible.
There will always be socialism, as a response to inequality, real or perceived. Bill Gates, a billionaire, calling for shutting down bars and restaurants for many months when he can very well afford such a step and is not affected by it is a good example of the “let them eat cake” attitude that actually encourages socialism and perhaps revolutions.
That’s what i keep telling people who want a tax on carbon emissions. They don’t seem to understand that companies pass all expenses onto customers as part of the price. They somehow think that companies will voluntarily take a massive hit to their income just to keep prices the same.
Why they seek to muzzle and divide us:
“We talked the matter over and could have settled the war in thirty minutes had it been left to us.”
– Unknown Confederate Soldier referencing a meeting he had with a Union soldier between the lines.
Generally true in wars, which is precisely why the Christmas truces of 1914 were considered threatening by high commands and repetitions in WW1 were discouraged. Soldiers freely fraternising can be a sign of military collapse – Russian troops fraternising with German or Austro-Hungarian troops in 1917 was one symptom of the Russian army falling apart although the other armies were not too steady either.
We had to read “no news from the Western Front” as part of our curriculum.
I found it very upsetting, but therefor would recommend it to anyone.
My favourite part was, where a soldier says: Instead of sending us into the fields, the politicians should meet here and have a boxing match.
‘All Quiet on the Western Front’.
Silke gave an accurate translation of the original title.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=all+quiet+on+the+western+front&ia=web
https://www.brainpickings.org/2010/07/09/mark-twain-the-war-prayer/
Survey: do you support tighter lockdown restrictions?
Sure – but for other people, not for me |_|
No – I want puppies, kittens and babies to die. Also I’m a Nazi. And a Tory party supporter |_|
Not sure if it’s been posted here yet, but here are the results of the “no restrictions for refusing vaccine” petition debate:
Video: https://youtu.be/6juJ_nd73Tw
Transcript: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-12-14/debates/782DBCA8-620D-473C-A8CB-CCB9C0F78DF5/Covid-19Vaccination
I see no one critical of the vaccine offered any input. I see a lot of circle-jerking (yes, that word again, simply because it’s such a good description – see how Alex Baker decided to use his time at 6:46 in the transcript). And even though the petition said “prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”, parliament decided that this only applies to them, and as such some applauded eventual restrictions placed by private businesses, like Quantas did just a little while ago.
Conclusion: Government will probably not force anyone to take the vaccine (yet). Probably because they know that they won’t even be able to vaccinate those at risk. But they seem more than willing to outsource this to the private sector, meaning that they are condoning discrimination.
IMHO the petition was the wrong one. Getting there to be option for anonymous vaccination would have been an irreversible win on this, one that would prevent a U-turn. Nonetheless, congrats to those who petitioned and protested to get this done.
My stepfather is 92 in February. Has farmers lung, COPD and is hospitalised most winters with pneumonia. He made it clear in April that he had had enough of lockdown; his line was “I have had a jolly good life and, if it is to be this that finishes me off, so be it”.
My grandmother is 94 and for many months has been openly expressing a wish to pass away in her sleep, rather than continuing with life under this new regime.
Real unemployment is much higher than 5%. Gov’t is paying the salaries in part of 8-10 million with either debt, taxes or printed plastic. This runs out in March. Then what? There are roughly 24 million private sector workers in the UK. Since when is welfare for 8 mn declared not to be a form of unemployment? If the supports were lifted tomorrow what would happen to the unemployment rate?
The gov’t issued unemployment number is a chimera and another eg of data fraud. Just like the made up CV 19 dead and tests.
You are bang on Ferd. The shit will hit the fan on this by mid April
Thought that in October tho didn’t we and rishi just found another magic money tree to pretend it all away. What’s to say he won’t discover another one and another, until eventually money has either lost all meaning or us plebs are consigned to a life of mental tax rates to pay for their mess.
IMO lockdown scepticism and real social discontent will take off in the spring, probably coinciding with the virus – whatever it is – tailing off, probably in a way too obvious for even the MSM to hide.
I had read that unemployment figures are only counted as people that are actively seeking new work? Figures are not based on actual redundancies, job losses etc?
So yes I would agree the rate is far, far higher.
Yes and they are not counting those who are getting furlough even though the place where they work no longer has a job for them. This runs out in March? Probably add another million. I love the fact that the MSM and BBC are shocked by these numbers!
Looking forward to your work’s Xmas do? Standing on a pavement, in your 2 metre virus space, with your mince pie and cold mulled wine, clutching your mistletoe, cos you hoped to get a kiss from the hottie in Accounts this year, while you wear your everso funny secret Santa pressie: a tinsel and glitter face nappy.
Nope. Would rather eat a light bulb than attend a work do especially if its on Zoom.
Me too. If I can’t do things ‘normally’ then I refuse to participate at all.
And given how many work colleagues have exposed their not so good sides to me, I don’t think I can put up with them outside a work environment.
In my wife’s office, they put up decorations at the beginning of the month to cheer things up. One of the bosses stormed in and got them to take everything down again because, you know, Covid. The same person has organised a Christmas buffet this afternoon mixing two departments in one office space, where it will be impossible to maintain social distancing.
“cos you hoped to get a kiss from the hottie in Accounts this year,”
In my 24 years working as an accountant, I’ve yet to meet these hotties that everyone talks about
I’ve come to hate the modern ‘do’ consisting of a tame trip to a restaurant (thankfully off this year). In the 90s it was a car boot full of food and drink delivered on the last day and consumed in the office from lunchtime onwards. The latter is perfectly allowable as far as I can see – a work meeting
Standing on a pavement? Right where people have opened all their windows to let the covids out? That mistletoe ain’t gonna protect you.
I’ve just been on the gov.U.K. Covid website. There is a section where you can type in your postcode and it gives you the number of positive tests in your area.
They can’t even spell the name of the area correctly. Why should I trust their numbers therefore? Unbelievable!
I looked there. Is it the one with a map on one side and postcode input on the other? if so, I think the site is bust. It shows every region I tried with less than 3 cases.
Maybe it’s telling the truth…?
Well yes, I realise that. I looked at London and some of the other so-called heavily infected areas…..random selection….all less than 3.
It’s the PHE website which takes you to a section which tracks “cases”. It seems to be working as the numbers are reducing in my local area on a daily basis.
In my area it jumped from around 20 for 3 days to 41.
I wonder who these idiots are!!
I have seen a number of comments in the forums that show the impact being the lone voice in the wilderness has on the mental health and wellbeing of all of us that see the truth. We already know the incidence of mental health issues and suicides has increased and this will continue to rise so it is important that we take care of each other as it is clear it becomes overwhelming at times. Would it be worth the site having a link for mental health support services as a standing item alongside the obvious support from members?
This is a good idea although I’m cynical of the likes of the Samaritans who have exposed themselves to be the mouthpiece of the State’s destructive policies.
I can’t find a way to excuse Samaritans’ collusion, but I don’t think it makes the support offered by their volunteers less valuable to anyone in crisis.
Bearing in mind how much harder it is to get treated by the NHS for anything other than covid these days, I can attest first hand that mental health services have been completely decimated. It’s gone from a poor and patchy service to largely non-existent.
What would really make me feel better would be to engage in person with other lockdown skeptics. I don’t know how we could organise local meet-ups though without potentially falling foul of cultists?
What would be good would be a way of sending private messages to each other on here, which might allow local communities to grow. Is that possible?
Excellent idea. But don’t know how to go about it.
I think it one can private message via the forums. I’ll give it a try and message you.
Judy, go to forums, hit the envelope icon and see if there’s a message from me.
Thank you. Went to forums and onto site en.m.wilipedia.org. Found several envelope icons but nothing. Probably me, I’m a bit computer illerate
As I said earlier for me the best way to stay sane is to get out and become an activist. Find your local groups of sceptics – better than staying in and phoning a help line.
This from a friend.
”I’m so angry and depressed and so so sorry for the whole innocent hospitality sector.
I’m heartbroken it now looks like I won’t even be able to see my family in Bristol over Xmas after all
I hate hate hate this government”.
What’s stopping her seeing her family?
FFS.
It’s in Wales. They probably will arrest her if she’s from England.
This is the real reason most people back away from it, fear of getting caught and/or fines. I have sceptical friends who won’t come over for dinner because, understandably, they don’t want a whopping great fine for having dinner. As always it breaks along wealth lines, got a nice big house with a driveway and secluded entrance? People can show up and you’ve no neighbours to know and snitch. Live in a fla, terrace or semi with no driveway? Loads of neighbours to worry about behaving like cunts and grassing you up.
Yes..because we now live in E Germany circa 1976. Fuck this government to what I has done to this nation, they deserve to be shot, all of them!! P.S. In the gut, so it’s not over too quickly, that would be a mercy they do not deserve.
Drakeford should stand trial for Crimes against Humanity
I look to the day. The man is a psychopath.
The family home is small and cannot accommodate extra staying overnight. Hotels refusing to provide food. Disgrace.
I’m sorry, but there’s far too much of this ‘poor little me I can’t etc etc’ stuff going on. If your friend wants to see her family, and they want to see her, then she should just go and see them.
I try not to waste energy feeling sorry for myself but I’m sure I am not the only one who lacks any family or friends who are remotely sceptical. Unfortunately having social contact isn’t a unilateral decision.
Find some new sceptical friends by searching your local Keep Britain Free or Save Our Rights group and move on from the compliant ones. I’ve learnt the hard way but now I’ve made the effort to meet new sceptic people life is so much better.
I think I may have posted this before, but I will do so again. When there is talk of the hospitality sector, people think of pubs and restaurants, There is another part to the hospitality sector consisting of conference centres; and conferences themselves. Every year I organise a conference for my Greek, Hebrew and Theological students; an event appreciated by all attendees. Our last was in February and I have moved the next one from May 2021 to October 2021. No one knows what the conditions will be then but the venue was able to tell me how conferences were organised in October – they are now closed until April 1. These are the conditions:
Masksface nappies must be wornAll of the fun has been removed. Who would want to attend under such conditions? Probably one goes once and never again, it is no longer enjoyable.
Two conferences that I wished to attend next year are no longer run as normal. The twelfth International Colloquium on New Testament Textual Criticism is now online only. I will attend but it is not the same at all. The Symposium Syriacum (it happens very four years) is now postponed to 2022, having been postponed from 2020.
I am acutely aware that these problems and difficulties that I face are as nothing to those of other people, but this means yet more businesses are being wilfully destroyed by this corrupt, evil and satanic government.
It is not too much to say that the whole of Western civilisation is under attack.
My friend works for one of the biggest eventsvenues in London. Initially their management thought they could ride out the storm but once the two largest events in the autumn were cancelled – the Travel & Tourism fair and the Christmas show, that was the last straw for them.
My friend was forced on a reduced hours contract and it was so bad that staff were not even given the option of voluntary redundancy but rather went straight to compulsory ones.
You can bet its the same with venues up and down the country.
Quite. As this shitshow looks like continuing throughout 2021, some memberships that proved pointless in 2020 will be cancelled in January:
National Trust
Cadw (Welsh equivalent of English Heritage)
SYHA
No point in even being a member.
I didn’t renew my National Trust membership during the first lockdown this year. Couldn’t see the point of having it and can’t stand all the crap they’ve been coming out with recently.
They will not see my money ever again, with their locked and chained car parks and their one-way systems and their bloody wokeness.
I killed my membership once their woke crap came to light. Tossers
I’ve already cancelled my National Gallery one – its rather pointless.
And thank the Lord we never pushed through with the National Trust, there’s no point to them now.
Stephanos, you are part of Western civilisation and you are under attack, but you are fighting back.
I have realised that I am actually grieving for my old life and what has been stolen from us all. I think I am near the end of the process. My focus is now on reconstruction and punishing the purpetrators to set a strong deterrent.
The Purple Traitors.
That’s the spirit.
This kind of crap annoys the hell out of me. If you want to see your family then just do so. Why can’t people bloody well wake up and see that if they stop complying with this shit then it’s over. They are imprisoning themselves.
One phenomenon I think we are observing is the constant shrinking of the ‘window of acceptable uncertainty’. Back in March, before this began, if someone had said that it looks likely that, in fact, up to 50% of the population may have some resistance to this virus after all, there would have been loud exhalations of relief – things are not as dire as we thought; the epidemic will be much less severe than originally predicted; we don’t need to trash the economy. If you had then suggested that there would be a vaccine with ‘95% effectiveness’ and that 80% of the population were happy to take it, it would have been game over – thank goodness, we can definitely go back to normal.
But as time has gone on, every time some good news has come out about the virus, the window of acceptable uncertainty has shrunk to evade it. So we are now in the situation where even if 100% of the population took the vaccine, there would still be calls for constant social distancing, testing, masks and so on because of that damn 5% lack of ‘effectiveness’, and the unsubstantiated speculations about efficacy wearing off over time and so on.
I don’t even think this is a result of sinister plotting by the government’s psychologists. It is just human nature – and was yet another reason not to open Pandora’s box back in March.
To the
personpeople who just downvoted: I don’t think you understand what I am saying. I am not saying that I love the vaccine or that it works or anything like that. I am saying that to the ignorant public, even if they believe the myth of the vaccine, their natural inclination is to then shift their expectations such that they focus on the small proportion of people who aren’t vaccinated, and the small chance that remains of their personally catching the virus.If the vaccine was promoted as 99.999% effective and the public believed that, and everyone took it, that would still leave a 0.00000001% chance of catching the virus from someone you passed in the street (I just made up the number of zeroes). So there would still be calls for masks and social distancing – forever.
My two cents – ignore downvoters. You don’t know who they are unless they advertise themselves, and there are people who would have downvoted the Ten Commandments or the Sermon on the Mount if they had the opportunity.
Given the systemic abuse carried out in the last two millennia in the name of Christianity, downvoting would have been a good start.
Also it is easy to accidentally downvote somebody if you are reading on an iPad or tablet, less so on a PC.
The voting button can be a bit fiddly on a touch screen
Valid question – is the vaccine safe?
No vaccine is perfectly safe. The question should be what the balance of risks versus benefits are. For me, the whole Covid ‘pandemic’ is a charade; a pantomime. None of us can be sure that the virus is even more dangerous than flu because the stats have been twisted from day one to fit a sensational narrative – including the modelled stats. Yet on that basis, the world has rushed through a brand new vaccine technology (mRNA) and seeks to vaccinate the entire world with it. Only a few of us seem actually able to perceive that there’s an issue. It’s just weird, head-spinning stuff.
Today’s update chimed with me as I am one of those who could possibly be added to the unemployment statistics next month. I submitted my self-assessment two days ago and this will play a part in the decision making process of whether I will say or go.
What has angered me even more was after the announcement that we have to close again was a colleague whining “if only people followed the rules.” For God’s sake, is she that blind and stupid? Lockdowns haven’t worked, ditto social distancing and masks, what more does she want?
The past few months have been trying to say the least and have vindicated my cynicism of other people as I see their ugliness with my own eyes and confirms the suspicions I had of others.
Perversely, I’m hoping that the government cancels Christmas because it will weaken their grounds on imposing Lockdown 3: The Sequel to the Sequel on us. Add in more redundancies and bankruptcies after the New Year, there will be hell to pay.
Don’t remind me of my self assessment. I’ve been out of a contract since the end of September. After my contract was cancelled I did decide to stop contracting because of the constant abuse by HMRC. It’s worse than the mob, i swear. Come April next year, IR35 wants contractors to pay just like regular employees but with 0 employee rights.
As I keep telling people even those who are asleep – this should never had happened. It’s not the virus that has caused all this but the lockdown and restrictions.
From what I see the majority have followed ‘the rules’ but it’s obvious that they just don’t work to prevent the spread of a seasonal, airborne virus. It’s far easier to blame the likes of us than it is to accept reality. Although we all think the rules are complete nonsense, I doubt there’s any of us who would deliberately set out to infect others if we were showing symptoms or feeling unwell.
Agree. It’s too much hard work to question the prevailing narrative and easier to blame others to the point of bullying and harassing them.
If the threat of redundancy isn’t waking them up yet, I don’t know what will. For the millienials I suspect its when mum & dad can’t bail them out and for those who should know better, it will be a raid on their pensions and savings.
https://www.weforum.org/partners/#search
The usual suspects and some unusual ones.. Goldman Sachs and Ralph Lifshitz. Xiaomi and Nokia…
Nokia were in bed with Microsoft for a while when they switched to the dogshite Windows phone
No surprises – however they own a lot of patents so could be an issue
TalkRadio… groundhog day.. even Bill Murray didn’t suffer for this long..
I just listened to the Neil Oliver interview, thought that was a good one.
What a well read and interesting guy Neil is. He speaks a lot of sense and does not need to scream and shout.
Near 2% growth in China in 2020.
How does a great Greta reset work without China exactly?
Unlike Blowjob and Nut Nut, Jinping was and is a safe pair of hands. A leader who knows business.
2% driven almost entirely by manufacturing PPE to sell to the rest of the world
Really? Have a look at China wanting land from Pakistan. They’re short of land to grow food on.
In that Sky Australia piece yesterday where they blatantly called this shit out for what it is, they showed Klaus practically tossing China’s salad. They’re at least giving the impression they’re on-board. Methinks they’re either looking to clean up economically whilst the fan is still spraying shit or militarily once the fan has stopped spinning and the rest of the Davos dicks are wondering why it didn’t all go quite to plan.
Irrespective, plenty of doggy doo to come, then once they’ve stopped laughing the cunts will eat the dogs.
Ping needs to get ponged.
BBC/MSM is only interested in vaccines and no mentions of treatment. They have ignored Ivermectin and still declare HCQ useless. There are developments also as regard HCQ where there are more positive reports.News that Italy again approve treatment and also AMA the mainstream US doctors association now allow US physicians to use it.There are many trials showing HCQ having effect especially in early treatment. Links below
https://c19study.com/
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1339116193257558016
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1338910706012479488
Please also see my thread on inhaled interferon in the Medicines forum subsection.
Phase 3 trial now getting started in many UK sites and many countries.
Possible that some countries will give earlier emergency approval.
Yep, didn’t see a single headline in MSM on the Italian HCQ approval.
Hello and good morning to everyone, last night I left a message saying that more than 99% of the population is covid free which is better than any vaccine at 95%. Try as I could I could not find it and are wondering is this site being monitored removing messages the government doesn’t want us to hear or is there a more reasonable explanation?
I have read countless variations of this argument in these comments, and it’s a terrible use of probability which I’m afraid makes you as dim and numerically illiterate as the lockdown zealots.
Say you have a disease which is going to kill 1% of people, and therefore 99% of people will survive. If you have a vaccine which is 90% effective, and everyone takes it, then the disease will kill 90% fewer people, thus it will now kill just 0.1% of people, and 99.9% will survive. You have to admit that’s a huge improvement. The efficacy percentage is not comparable to the fatality rate without vaccination, so it doesn’t matter if one is a lower nominal figure than the other.
That said I’m pretty sure this whole thing is a casedemic and has been for months, and that the numbers released by big pharma are more or less fabricated, and that we shouldn’t be wasting our money or risking on our health on such experimental vaccines for a non-existent disease, but please let’s stick to solid arguments, not gotcha soundbites that do not stand up to scrutiny in the slightest.
Not really. This is data fraud. This is why we in IT find the simplicio arguments of the experts so inane.
Population: 100
Survival rate: 97 (assume)
At risk: 3
If you vaxxd all 100 and 2 die, you claim 98% success. This is silly.
Who died? If 1 of the 3 really at risk, then your vaxx is a not a great success – 67% effective.
If 1 out of the other 97 – your vaxx may be poison to that genetic makeup – also a failure even though you will claim the 3 at risk survived. But did they survive from your poison or despite your poison?
You need to analyse those at risk and see what happens when they take the poison vs those who do not. You will NOT know the actual results until you have years of data – to be able to establish a statistically significant data set +/- 5% by looking at different groups, co-morbidities, ages, and reactions. Vaxx injuries can take months or years to manifest.
Pfizer did not do the above. They don’t provide raw data on those most at risk. There is no monitoring past 28 days.
Sticking a needle into someone like myself who would never die from CV 19 and declaring ‘success’ is asinine.
Well said.
To be clear I don’t actually believe any of the numbers and understand how they can be easily manipulated. I’m just pointing out that hypothetically, if you do have a 95% effective vaccine, the fact that 99% of people survive the disease doesn’t make the vaccine somehow pointless. It’s an illogical comparison to say that just because 95 is a lower number than 99.
Hello again if you saw my original message from yesterday you would see that I am not against vaccines for those who need them. My point is that over 99% of population without a vaccine is covid free. And that’s not because of lockdown it’s because many of us had prior immunity, many of us have been infected and recovered. This gives you herd immunity and is why Japan as suffered 17 deaths per million while the US and Belgium have had 800 and 1400 deaths per million.
Why don’t you read the FDA review, rather than comment from ignorance?
Hard to construct a time to event analysis (Figure 2 of the above) if you don’t continue to follow patients – of course they did, and still are following them for long-term safety and efficacy.
Whilst prevention of death is a worthy goal, it is not the sole purpose of vaccination. Prevention of infections leading to hospitalisation is an important goal that follows from symptomatic infections.
Thanks for the compliment. Really helps to foster solidarity among us.
My thoughts as well.
It was a pretty crass response but it is nice to hear alternative points of view. I really suffer from confiirmation bias, however everything tells me this is insane.
At least you’re aware of the confirmation bias. We all have it to one degree or another. Remaining sceptical (not cynical, perhaps another of my faults) is healthy, and checking original sources, rather than saying “somebody claims that” is always good. Original documentation is best of all.
We have no idea of the efficacy of this vaccine. Oh yeah, a press release and some figures released by the company themselves, without no results from independent bodies. But marketing would never lie.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-2.3-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
Hello there thankyou for correcting my faulty thinking but my message was why was my message removed. Your correct to say we should stick to solid arguments but the lockdown zealots use faulty thinking all the time. Last night I heard Owen Jones say we needed lockdown to stop deaths. But as every scientist knows all you need is one example to disprove your theory and your theory is dead.
In the case of lockdown there’s many more examples than just Sweden to prove it doesn’t work. There’s Japan with no lockdown recording 17 deaths per million whereas the US and Belgium with lockdown is recording 800 and 1400 deaths per million. I believe the reason Japan as such a low death rate from covid is because of herd immunity and a diet high in vitamin D. Lastly again your right we should not use faulty thinking to prove our point but point out how lockdown zealots are using pseudo science to push their point.
Ferd III is correct not Muzz Off.
Ferd III was doubting the numbers released by Pfizer. I also state in my comment I don’t believe them. Nothing he said contradicted what I said. I was just stating the logical error in this gotcha soundbite argument that a 95% effective vaccine is pointless against a disease 99% of people survive. It results from shallow thinking trying to grasp at anything to attack the other side without critical examination, when we should be sticking to logic and reason which ARE on out side.
Hello Muzz Off I believe you misunderstood my earlier message. I see you think I meant 99% would survive from covid, when what I meant is that over 99% of the population is covid free without a vaccine. Where I live a city in the North there’s less than one in a thousand infected with covid. Yet we all behave as if we were all infected. Why ?
Define 90% effective (with plausible evidence).
That argument is only valid if you know or assume that 100% of the people are susceptible.
There is certainly evidence of innate resistance in a certain percentage of the population, but difficult to quantify. This could be a particularly robust immune system, existing T-Cell response, or the fact that the vast majority of under 50’s are just not at risk of even infection.
Giving a vaccine of unknown provenance (we only know what they told us was in it), of a type never before approved for humans (RNA), expedited on a ridiculously short timeline, to an entire population, seems at best a little reckless. If just 0.1% die from auto-immune or other responses, you would be killing around 65,000 people, some of whom, possibly a large percentage, who were at no risk from the disease.
Additionally, a point being ignored, is that the disease has followed the usual Gomperts curve and has already killed most of the people it will kill before the vaccine is available, so it cant save 90% of the 1%, because perhaps 95% of those are already dead before the vaccine is either available or administered.
Only if 0.1% is equivalent to other death rates. If 1% are dying every year from something else that you happily accept and this waxes and wanes with another 1% such that in general mortality is the same, why is one condition being cherrypicked?
Risk should be assessed systemically not individually.
Good point on the comparison. Doubt very much that you have been censored though. Just take a look at some of the posts pretty much advocating civil unrest and violence. The thread has probably just been lost.
I’ve just had a look. Is this your post from yesterday?
Your message is spot on, but here’s another fact everyone should know over 99% of the population are covid free. The best vaccine keeps 95% covid free so our own immunity is far better than any vaccine.So who needs a vaccine, after 70 our immunity begins declining and those whose immunity is impaired, in other words all those who have unfortunately died of covid. I believe due to our aged population and modern medicine keeping those with impaired immunity alive that is 20%. We already have herd immunity WHO state we need 60% vaccinated or through prior immunity or from natural infection.
I have sometimes thought that a post has been deleted, but it’s always turned out that the comments haven’t fully loaded. That’s all it is. Don’t worry!
Thanks for reassuring me that my message was not removed. And yes this was my message. The point of my message was yes we need a vaccine for those who need it but not the vast majority. In other words we don’t need mass vaccination or vaccine passports. Children are vaccinated against childhood diseases but not adults, why because they immunity as not developed enough. So yes to vaccines but NO to mass vaccination.
Sad to see how Christmas in recent years has become very much defined along class lines. A huge generalisation but educated, affluent middle classes of which our political elite are part of, especially Starmer and co, tend to be a little embarrassed by Christmas and find it all a little gauche. People in my circle will often declare how they hate it. So, that combined with an embrace of technology and not having a problem with seeing “grannie” over zoom, has led to a situation unimaginable just a few years ago, where they can debate “cancelling” Christmas, mainly because it is not in their worldview anyway.
More Marie Antoinette.
I call the elite the Louis Seizers. This is the government, high civil service, MSM. I’m hoping they go the same way as Louis XVI and little Marie.
Monsieur et Madame Veto.
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2004679086/
Madame Veto avait promis,
Madame Veto avait promis.
de faire égorger tout Paris,
de faire égorger tout Paris.
Mais son coup a manqué
grâce à nos canonniers.
https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/analysis/2015/11/18/look-back-and-learn-evian-conference-1938
What to do about the Jews?
At least Marie Antoinette was willing to let the masses eat cake.
the new tolerant diverse people don’t know how to party, fuck they aren’t even human. Anyone with a smart phone i hate more than Hitler
I have little doubt that the people urging Johnson to “cancel Christmas” are the same as those who refuse to put up town decorations in case they offend somebody. When I talk to Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs and Jews, all express surprise that there is anything in Christmas decorations to take offence over.
‘Not doing God’ didn’t start with that comment by Blair’s bum-wipe Alistair Campbell. It’s not only Christmas that’s just for the peasants. You’re dissed (disdained) if you are:
Another aspect is the snobbery about garish outdoor Xmas decorations. Kitsch is okay and I consider the twinkling snowmen a kind of folk art. I’m not even a fan of Christmas myself but this year I’m going carol singing with Keep Britain Free in Brighton seeing as its banned it seems like a great plan! We’ve also got a Fun night tonight where there will be comedians, music and bar.
There’s also snobbery towards people who use fake trees rather than the real McCoy. They’re even trying to perpetuate the lie that the fake ones aren’t environmentally friendly. Well duh, they won’t if you change it every year but that’s not the point – its meant to be used year in, year out. My fake tree has been with us for as long as Mr Bart and I have been married and maybe it will outlast us.
My fake tree is an old and valued friend.
Just in case anyone hasn’t seen through this yet, the reasoning for cancelling Christmas is as follows…
The false-positive generation industry is already running at 100%, busy manufacturing the second wave. It cannot be ramped up further after Christmas.
Therefore the corresponding lack of any impact of socialising during Christmas risks waking up far too many sheeple. Fortunately the government in this country is critically incompetent, so they may allow it to go ahead after all.
Could be right with that analysis! Of course the gubmint has prepared its alibis by talking about individual responsibility, so that, when no blow-up occurs, they can have a maudlin appreciation of the plebs who have finally done their bit!
Amazing how “societal responsibility”, cornerstone of so much of modern social theory, goes out of the window when those at the top get it so spectacularly wrong.
The PCR testing scam, is now being discussed by the majority. I heard it everywhere over the weekend, for example. IMO, anybody supporting continued control of the population, has either been possessed by the evil fearzombie virus, or were pure evil to begin with.
I suspect it’s already game over, but many haven’t realised yet. Or at least, not enough of them.
Pretty much sums it up
Im amazed that the primary school level of argument put forward by bmj, starmer and co is what passes as critical thinking and sensible leadership to the majority (it seems) these days. Their argument for cancelling the Christmas relaxation (and I scoff at the idea what is being allowed is considered relaxed ffs) is now that wahwahwah Germany and others are being even more authoritarian so we should copy them?!? How does this get past the first stupidity checkers in people’s heads?! It all beggars belief and has done since March, I knew it would be impossible for them to come out of L1 but I didn’t anticipate how long people would go along with this idiocy for, how many more times does this approach need to be shown to be shite before the masses wake up?
Covid is just a league table to them.
Par-liar-ment is a toilet full of turds.
All we ever hear are empty words.
As events have unfolded.
We are berated and further scolded
But nothing matches what has actually occurred.
Big article yesterday in the DM about the rise in Sussex, naming Worthing as one place, the MP was quick to point out that having been onto the hospital, they have 3 covid cases. The MSM propaganda is out of control
Mustn’t let MSM rip through the nation.
Unfortunately the people in Worthing will believe the MSM over the facts on the ground. You could take them to view an empty hospital, but if the BBC said it was like a war zone they would go with the BBC version over their own eyes.
Not least because Worthing is chock full of grannies.
The virtue signalling gene has also traveled along the coast from Brighton over the years.
Indeed it has. Or is it a VS virus?
The front pages today are a hoot – the general message is “Christmas hangs in the balance.” They must think that millions of us are furiously refreshing our news feeds, sweating on the next pronouncement from the likes of Hancock or Whitty.
Should we tell them or just allow them to continue embarrassing themselves?
I noticed the article about christmas in the DM had 3m hits, big money involved in ramping up the hysteria
Ignore the buggers snd concentrate on getting those pesky tree lights working.
Let them carry on, my large turkey has been on order for a while and as long as they don’t pretend it has bird flu and cull it, there’ll be quite a few of us eating it on Christmas day, come what may!
Also, because going out on NYE this year will be a masked and distanced hell, I’m planning to have a little do at my house instead. I’m sure these scenes will be repeated up and down the country.
These nutters are out of touch. Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
Trouble is, they’re dangerous nutters. There are two lots at work: the Covizealots who push or accept the official hysteria and stir it up; and those who believe some massive cabal/Gates/WEF/Balloch-Brown/the Barclay brothers/Rothschilds (this varies “theory” to “theory”) is pulling the strings behind the scenes. Presumably to make pots of money from all these destroyed currencies and economies.
Both are as bad as each other.
Trouble is, they’re no longer behind the scenes, just a little further than the end of one’s nose.
Personally, there’s now way too many timely coincidences and far too much globally collosal incompetence, not to mention the jaw dropping levels of conflicting interests, to warrant the complete dismissal of every nutter. Okay, maybe the green lizzards but 2020 isn’t done just yet.
Corona Moaners can insert their own fists into every hole they have ever had
Ignoring them. Mr Bart and I will have our Christmas come hell or high water.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-with-vaccine-certificates-to-face-fewer-restrictions-on-life-39869247.html
Ireland threatening vaccine certificates to be allowed attend social gatherings.
Bastards. To think they’ve ignored actual helpful measures like effective treatments and instead think surveillance is a better way to combat it. Never known so many psychopaths to inhabit the country.
wasted and wounded
and it ain’t what the moon did
i got what i paid for now
see you tomorrow
Waltzing Mathilda
Tom Waits
Actually “Tom Traubert’s Blues”
Full lyrics here
very relevant ….
“I’m an innocent victim of a blinded alley
And I’m tired of all these soldiers here
No one speaks English, and every thing’s broken”
My favourite song… But it has to be Rod Stewarts version
Nooooo!!!!!! Love Tom Waites! Another song for the times is ‘Splendid Isolation’ by Warren Zevon.
Why do they hate pubs and clubs? Why masks? Why distancing? Why support bubbles?
Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil.
Hear no dissent and alternative viewpoints. Speak no dissent and alternative viepoints. See no dissent or alternative viewpoints.
Pubs and clubs and homes are where people talk. Discussion becomes a chore socially distanced in a mask.
It’s really quite evil.
Ivor is on the right page.. I wonder when Toby will join.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xxua2w8Jxk&t=715s
Wrong question
The work from home class hate the working class
If you don’t have a Pret in the morning you are not worth a dime
Good – I don’t keep up with these limousine liberals and their swanky eateries
Too busy dealing with the blessings of diversity
As an interesting side note the original Shinto Japanese saying that can still be found in temples was “Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil. Do no evil.”
The westerners somehow managed to lose the last part. I don’t know why that could be…
They probably could not think of how to get the monkey to show do no evil?
All these polls that the media were gushing over yesterday favouring tighter restrictions don’t give a true reflection. Those completing online polls are, broadly speaking, more likely to have the time. This time is afforded to them, again broadly speaking, by them choosing not to go out because they are scared. If the polls were conducted in an equal number of locations such as shopping centres, hospitality environments and workplaces, and not just online then I have little doubt we would see a different outcome. On the upside the zealots have lost a lot of support over the past few months whichever way you look at it.
I complete YouGov polls (I have the time) but I have never been sent one regarding anything specifically to do with Covid. They are generally about other matters but they do ‘fish’ with the occasional random “How worried are you about catching Coronavirus?”. I have always answered “Not at all” and that has been the end of it. I often wonder where the survey would have led if I had responed that I was worried. Like you say, they are not really random and are answered by essentially the same people giving the same answers all the time.
Still, you do get fifty quid after you’ve completed umpteen surveys
Guys we are censored regards comments on newspaper sites. However, we can brigade the downvote button against the 77th comments.
Anti-vax protesters clash with police in central London hours before capital plunges into Tier 3 Covid restrictions (thesun.co.uk)
See some of the despicable comments on here it is obivious what ones are govt paid traitors.
I find it slightly worrying that the ads at the bottom of Page 1 of todays LS included one for “the face mask everyone is talking about”. If I believed in conspiracies, I’d suggest this is one. And NO, I’m not going to buy one of these masks.
Give this site some revenue by clicking on the ad. It will also deprive the mask manufacturer of profit by increasing their costs.
The biggest study in the world so far estimating the infection rate by serology and PCR.The most interesting thing is the IFR 0.05% very low. Result of age structure or widespread use of HCQ in the country producing most of it?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.04.20243949v1.full.pdf
The burden of active infection and anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in the general population: Results from a statewide survey in Karnataka, India
“This is the first comprehensive survey providing accurate estimates of the COVID-19 burden anywhere in the world.
The overall adjusted prevalence of COVID-19 in Karnataka was 27 ·3% (95% CI: 25 ·7-28 ·9), including IgG 16 ·4% (95% CI: 15 ·1 – 17 ·7) and active infection 12 ·7% (95% CI: 11 ·5-13 ·9). The case-to-infection ratio was 1:40, and the infection fatality rate was 0 ·05%.”
The more I read about HCQ and Ivermectin, and their ubiquitous use in the developing world, they certainly play a part. More so than the constant claim that social distancing and masks are the key any way.
The fact prophylactic measures have not been investigated with the same speed and risk-to-the-wind attitude as they have done with vaccines is seriously looking like a scandal. Corporate capture no doubt playing its part.
With an IFR that low, would such countries even bother with a vaccine until its been tested on UK citizens for at least a few years?
Does China use treatments such as HCQ? Given they’ve eradicated Covid
Bad day yesterday, whatever facts I presented people, they simply turned the evidence around to say we need more restrictions, more masks etc.. It’s almost as if I’m living in the final stages of the film “invasion of the body snatchers” . There’s very few of us humans left, most of the planet has been taken over. Please remind me how that film ends…
Nothing is real to them unless it’s on the BBC, and the moment you say you can’t trust the BBC their eyes glaze over. But don’t trust Holloywood to provide the ending. How do most dictatorships end?
With a bang and a shag
He’a had the shag.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Ditto. I spoke to a few people yesterday that had no knowledge of the Danish mask study, were totally unaware the PCR test was extremely questionable and had absolutely no other knowledge than what MSM had fed them. The laughable thing was they all admitted breaking the rules if they “could get away with it”. Each and every day the absurdity gathers pace. What I told them made not a jot of difference as they looked at me as if I had two heads.
Me and the OH had the same conversation re the rule breakers, most of her colleagues are virtue signallers hiding behind their mask but regularly break and bend the rules to suit themselves.
They think donning the mask makes all of their hypocrisy null and void.
Yeah, have come across that too – picking and choosing what suits them yet have the nerve to berate those who don’t wear masks and are sceptical about the whole thing
My hairdresser told me that of his 300 clients, I was the only one who expressed scepticism of “the situation”. He also admitted that he didn’t know who Matt Hancock or Rishi Sunak were. Oh dear.
Holy heck how can anybody not know who these guys are? Incredible. Just how ill informed is that?
Next time try Matthew Footvagina – maybe not if he’s concentrating with scissors or peroxide.
If it’s any consolation, I’m experiencing the opposite. Maybe I know who the nutters are and just avoid them?
Does that mean wearing 2 masks at once? I did see some arse wipe doing that.
Found this comment from Paul Weston on Breitbart. This says it all about the so called pandemic and virus mutation.
It doesn’t matter if the virus mutates – for the simple reason that the vaccines are not based on the coronavirus in the first place. The Oxford vaccine is based on the common cold coronavirus. The Pfizer vaccine is based on gene messaging black magic.
If you have a flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio vaccine, you ger a weakened form of the actual virus itself, in order to trigger your immune system.
The reason they cannot use a weakened form of the Covid virus is because they have never identified and isolated the virus. If they had, they would use it in a vaccine. The government claims it has been isolated but when asked directly in FOI requests, they refuse to answer.
We are being lied to on a massive scale. Not least in the assertion that we need a vaccine for a disease which is so weak it is basically a vaccine in itself. Vaccines are only ever used when the full strength virus is capable of killing us or making us seriously ill.
But if the virus itself is so weedy that we suffer no symptoms at all, or just a fever and aches and pains gor a few days, then contracting that virus is essentially a free vaccine which triggers our immune systems whilst not threatening us in the least.
Fraud of the century, crime of the century. So insane in fact, that there is clearly another agenda at work here. The Great Green New World Order has arrived. Gulags soon to follow.
Paul Weston is always on the money!
Yes, the ‘virus’ has NEVER been isolated but even among sceptics most believe that it has. If it hasn’t been isolated how can it be the cause of a pandemic? How can it be tested for? And, as the article makes crystal clear, how can a vaccine be produced against it? The whole shoddy and murderous nine months that have just passed are best described as a fear induced scamdemic to whip up frenzy and obedience so that those who are controlling this ‘war on humanity’ can transform the world to their design. Conspiracy theory? A year ago I would have said of course it is. Now?….anyone who doesn’t see what’s really happening is blind as well as foolish.
Like this one?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30843-4/fulltext
Inactivated virus is an old technology that does not always deliver protection. All available modalities are being tested. mRNA is fastest to develop.
I see that the AMA has quietly approved HCQ for treatment of Covid-19. Now that billions of dollars have been distributed for development of ‘vaccines’.
I guess they hope that the cheap and safe HCQ, and the stunningly effective Ivermectin, will do the work, while their precious ‘vaccines’ – and they by association – get the credit.
The scandal is that they had to hold back approving them as the vaccines could not have been rushed through if they had done. The regulations state that any new treatment for a disease needs to go through full approval and testing if another effective one is already avaliable. It needs to show that it is better in terms of results and safety. In essence, it would have meant teh Pfzier Vaccine would have been put through a much longer approval process.
There is capture of such bodies on an epic scale.
That explains a lot, thanks!
The long game is for vaccines such as mRNA ones to get through approval easier by precident.
This isn’t about Covid. It’s about vaccines down the line for whatever is made up next.
It was all about getting rid of the Donald
ALL of it
For the rich
If fellow British slaves still don’t know what needs to be done to scoundrels like asshole Keir Starmer then… Enjoy the culling.
For what I can see, just like in the Plantation where I slave on, OBEDIENCE rules!
The whole cancel Christmas thing was obviously contrived bullshit
Whenever the dictatorship creates a false story it’s to distract peoples attention
Distracting attention from what?
Coinciding with this crap the Pfizer share price has been dropping
It will only be dropping because people with inside knowledge know the ‘vaccine’ is in trouble
The last few days will have allowed the people in the know to get their money out whilst everyone is distracted
Since the start of OPERATION COVIDIUS TRILLIONS have been transferred to the TOP of the pyramid!
It also has prepared the groundwork for lockdown 3.Increased mixing over Christmas has caused infections to spread,R rate above 1.Pressure on the NHS.etc.
We all know the script by now.Maybe another one of Hancocks tenuous relatives may die to add more personal tragedy.
How can supposedly intelligent people fall for this charade?
Just the TRANSFER from 2018 to 2019…
Wait for the data of AWESOME year of 2020!
Apologies in advance, I know this has been asked for before, but can anyone point me to the posts from Awkward Git regarding the FOI requests and PCR testing – especially the one from PHE? Thanks
Was this the one? This page 1.
And page 2.
Excellent, Thanks Biggles.
Reality starting to intrude on JHB’s vaxojubilation. She admitted in conversation with the wonderful Lord Sumption this morning on Talk Radio that she now feared vaccination was not going to be the route back to reclaiming our liberties. Is that the sound of a penny dropping?
As with the lockdown she will get it in the end
Don’t want to be around when it dawns on her that she has been conned for a second time
She was still supporting lockdown after peaceful protestors were being beaten on the streets of London so I wouldn’t hold out much hope.
I haven’t noticed her retweeting information about tyrannical actions going on around the world such as dissenting academics being detained in mental asylums. She also still seems to think anyone not queuing up for the experimental Covid vaccine is an evil ‘anti-vaxxer’ (as surprisingly do some of the lockdown sceptics writers).
I used to think she was ok but really cant stand her now.
She is a slow learner.
Yes, she really takes her time to get there!
p.s. New Moniker suggestion – UKUSEDTOBEOK !?
Meant to imply a modest ambition -a UK that is OK, no utopian vision.
There are no liberties – only temporary privileges
The only option is to do everything possible to facilitate the collapse of the state
“That which is falling should also be pushed”
Journalists tend to be slow on the uptake so am not surprised by this.
Today’s Guy de la Bédoyère contribution is his best yet. I’m horrified by the number of loonies who think “oh we’d like to see Granny, but we’d better wait until the danger has passed”, as if Granny is being held in suspended animation in the meantime.
If I were Granny, I’d tell them “if you don’t come and see me now, don’t bother coming to see me ever again.” I’d then write them out of my Will and blow their inheritance on extravagances. And take a young lover.
One wonders how many grannies are. I think we’d be pleasantly surprised.
I have my children’s permission to blow the lot since I’ve promised that I won’t put them to the expense of a care home.
Bob’s cartoon today is the one for me. Perfectly simple, heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time. A picture can speak a million words.
This is disgusting (from Simon Dolan’s twitter feed)
https://twitter.com/cllrejiofor/status/1338903582855278593
Who voted for this sick bastard councillor?
He’s a cunt
Screenshot and download. These are the arseholes holding this whole thing up.
The fear doesn’t work anymore,so they have changed tack.
Now if you want to live a life with any semblance to normality you are an selfish irresponsible granny killer.
I voted for the idiot Perkin featured in the last post, we did at least have a clean sweep out of Conservatives which was quite thrilling for a few weeks until the new idiots took office.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-schoolboy-left-fighting-life-23172740
They have wheeled out this story again. This time, aswell as covid getting a mention, so does that motorbike sounding disease also.
Just to keep up the scaremongering folks.
That is exactly part of the problem in the UK – Doctor knows best. Please people have an intelligent conversation with your health care provider and fully explore the ups and downs of the proposed treatment.
In addition, tell them your lawyer has recommended you record the conversation, if anything just to sharpen their minds. Double check their hand isn’t shaking upon insertion.
The last comment was the key,There is casual disdain for Delingpoles views.
Since this crisis Toby Young and Peter Hitchens have been beacons of sanity and helped me realise I wasn’t alone;but there is something almost pigheaded in their refusing to look beyond the curtain.
If it was just here then I could readily believe in Government incompetence,you only have to look at the current crop of ministers,but the similarity of the seemingly insane response suggests heavily of a supra national guiding hand.
To dismiss Bill Gates role as a comic Bond villain for conspiracy theorists is disingenuous.The man has financial links to WHO,Gavi and many of the main Scienific/Medical players in this.Does not Toby think it strange that this man flew over to meet Johnson to discuss vaccine rollout 2 weeks ago.
I personally believe it is not just down to Gates.One man however rich cannot make the world stop.
In all things follow the money,who is benefitting from this.There is a massive transfer of wealth going on at the moment from middle and upper classes to the Super rich.
Instead of sneering to the gallery,that would be the start of my investigation.
Always follow the money
Gates has a history of experimentation on brown babies. This is indisputable even for Toby
He is on record as saying if we do a good job with vaccines and healthcare we could reduce the population by 15 %.
There is nothing comic or funny about this man.
Western journalists sadly don’t usually care about things going on in far away lands to poor people. I expect history is currently being rewritten to delete anything critical of Dr Gates.
Toby always wants to kill the poor.
Then investigate it. I look forward to reading any original documentation you uncover.
At the very least, the conflicts of interests warrant a little more than Joe fucking Public investigating it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SsZQQrkWpx0v/
I’m sorry Jonathan, but just because you disagree with Peter Hitchens, Toby Young and myself doesn’t make you right and us wrong.
Delingpole considers himself a friend of Toby Young despite their differences over this matter.
As for myself, I like Delingpole and often listen to his podcasts, but his “great reset” bs I find a little hard to swallow. In fact, in pushing this I think he’s possibly playing to his American audience on Breitbart.
It’s not only the Right that is playing this game though. On the Left, journalist Neil Clark is also a pusher of the “great reset” narrative. He works for RT and it’s associates.
I would still read both Breitbart and RT, and certainly don’t want them banned or censored, but I think it would be naive to suppose that they are entirely neutral promoters of truth.
PS; it is you, Jonathan that are promoting Gates as a “bond villain”.
I don’t like Gates. I think he’s delusional and his intrusion into matters of global health is unwelcome, but I do not believe that he is some sort of evil maniac bent on death, destruction and global domination.
I just don’t, I’m sorry.
Fair enough, each to their own and all that, but aren’t you a tad curious as to what all these players are doing shining the head of Klaus Schwab – who isn’t exactly shy about using the Rona crisis to push is agenda forward?
Let’s look at a few of these players:
Bill Gates – considerable donations to (or shares in) Imperial College (Ferguson), Oxford University (vaccine development/research) including conflicts of interest amongst SAGE members, WHO, GAVI, Monsanto, the BBC, The Guardian. This lays it out a little better: https://www.bitchute.com/video/SsZQQrkWpx0v/
Angela Merkel – very good pals with Klaus, who just happens to have Drosten as her Chief Scientific Advisor for Covid – not to mention that Germany have had less overall mortality this year than last and have locked down again.
https://dailysceptic.org/?s=drosten#a-scandal-brewing-in-germany
Joe Biden – enjoys having a laugh with our Klaus, and just happens to have won a murky US election that the Supreme Court don’t seem too fussed about investigating further?
https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/17/world-economic-forum-founder-says-joe-biden-will-boost-multilateralism
Matt Hancock – I don’t think I need to elaborate any further on what this cunt has been up to.
https://www.matt-hancock.com/news/fourth-industrial-revolution
Justin Trudeau – He’s pretty much trying to show the rest of the world leaders how to do this shit.
https://newspunch.com/justin-trudeau-calls-the-coronavirus-pandemic-an-opportunity-for-a-reset/
Now, I don’t want to come over like I’m wrapped in Baco, but it seems to me like these dots can’t help joining themselves – but that’s just me and about 5 minutes on DuckDuckGo. A decent investigative journalist might join them a little better.
For the record, I’m praying it’s just incompetence and opportunistic boarding of the Bisto Express.
So the madness, lunacy, hypocrisy, lies and destruction of democracy continues.
The Royals, slebs, politicians breaking rules (with impunity).
We now have covid-19+20 (new strain)
Dominic Cummings received a pay rise of at least 40 per cent last year, sparking an angry backlash among other special advisers….
Bojo heading for the asylum.
Proof that governments are manipulating figures and data to suit their agenda.
Mad scientist’s who want to move Christmas to Easter?
It’s raining cats and dogs here, so we are of to see Wonder Woman 1984 with a bag full of eats and no masks.
My suspicion is that the Cummings pay rise was a negotiated pay off for agreeing to be a fall guy and/or keeping his mouth shut. Not only will it have given him an immediate ‘bonus’ payment but it will have substantially guaranteed him an extremely healthy pension; civil service pensions are calculated as a proportion of the individual’s actual salary at the end of their term of office irrespective of how long they have been on that salary and would also include a lump sum based on the salary.
Wonder Woman 1984 was very good, all 12 of us in a big screen cinema it’s like having a private showing, nobody bothered any of us and all had their masks under their chins. I thought about having a good chuckle, but no let then go.
I am actually getting to like going to the cinema, no parking problems, no ques, easy booking, nice staff, private showings, cheap 2 for 1 seats etc… and it’s amazing how you can make a bag of crisps last for the length of the film…. :),
In my local area if we were to get just one extra covid case, this would represent an ∞% increase on the number of cases we have at the moment (zero) according to that interactive covid map thing.
Maybe we should be put into tier 3 now just in case this happens. I best rush a letter to my MP demanding that more of my freedoms be taken away.
They mean that there is not YET proof that it can’t still be transmitted.
The Phase III trials are still ongoing and will continue until the end of 2022. The vaccine appears to be effective and safe (in the short term) so it’s been approved for ’emergency’ use but the re are still some answered questions.
Last Christmas
I gave you a mask
But the very next day
You stood 2m apart
This year to save me from tiers
I’ll give it to someone oriental
Most covid deaths are deaths that would have happened at the same time anyway but are simply labelled with covid.
Now suppose that a covid ‘vaccine’ was created, where there was no statistical evidence at all that the ‘vaccine’ protected against the probability of death generally from any cause.
But where there was some statistical evidence that it stopped your death being labelled as covid, in perhaps nineteen occasions out of twenty. And on all of those 19 occasions your death would have happened at the same time anyway but without the label.
Would you take that vaccine simply to remove the label attached to your death?
They will ‘prove’ the snake oil works as soon as they’re ready, simply by taking the lies off the death certificates.
But they won’t do that until they have succeeded in inflicting lots more misery, because they so enjoy making people miserable.
Just buy a vaccination chit from eBay, they’ll be along soon, probably with an optional extra to have the NHS database ‘updated’ too.
I have no desire to go to a pub again
No desire to go to a restaurant or a cafe, a football match, use public transport, go on holiday, use a doctor, dentist, or a hospital
I have no desire to go into a shop again
If the pig dictator at some point returns these dispensations to me I will tell him to fuck off I don’t want them
Bet I can play dirtier than him
Football has been defiled. Can’t see me going back.
And were at the vanguard of all of this. As soon as football closed its doors then it was inevitable full lockdown was coming.
Wondered if someone will ever start ‘Real football’. After all it’s happened in the past (rugby etc)
-No kneeling or political statements
-Standing terrace only
-Cash turnstile entry only
-Muddy pitches if weather is bad
-‘Ground’, not ‘stadium’
-no var or other technology
-all 3pm Saturday kickoffs
-one sub
and so on
Correct response
This is war
Every actions from now on in should be to facilitate the collapse of the Coronatarian state
Mine are.
Get that fighting spirit.
I’m not a contact person, and I don’t like hugs or handshakes. As a child, I loathed being forced to hug grandma.
But I’m damned if I’ll let the bloody Fascist bastards decide who should be hugged and who should not.
I’m much the same as you, Annie. I consider faux kissing with complete strangers or even some close acquaintances anathema. I will deliberately avoid getting into proximity with people whom I am more than happy to chat to but know that they are going to ‘insist’ on lunging in for a kiss! Some might say that I should be so lucky, but I certainly don’t see it like that!
But, I digress. Like many on here I no longer attend sporting events, never go to the theatre other than to attend the very occasional concert or ballet, do not generally go to other cultural centres or even to the pub or out for meals. These are all activities that make little contribution to my personal life. BUT, and this is the very big BUT, I want to live in a world where I and others know we have the freedom to do these things if we so choose and not conditional on complying with someone else’s diktat.
As a hospitality professional I enjoyed going to a good restaurant with professional service.
Not anymore. If they cannot do proper service with a smile, sorry, I am not going.
Of course I know how bad it is for our industry and the huge supply chain, but it just too anxiety inducing.
Isn’t this rather capitulating to the tyranny.. just asking?
For what it’s worth, here’s the text of my latest missive to my MP:-
The phrase ‘prevention is better than cure‘ is often attributed to the Dutch philosopher Desiderius Erasmus in around 1500.
It is a fundamental principle of healthcare, supported by:-
The NHS – NHS England » Prevention is better than cure, so let’s do more of it
The Royal College of Nursing – Prevention is better than cure | Campaigns | Royal College of Nursing (rcn.org.uk)
The National Health Executive – Prevention is better than cure (nationalhealthexecutive.com)
AND
Your government – Prevention is better than cure: our vision to help you live well for longer – GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) (5-November-2018)
In light of this, can you please explain to me why the government is investing such a huge amount of money in unproven vaccinations, developed at unprecedented speed and with acknowledged risks, when there are already proven prophylactic and early treatments available ?
I again draw your attention to:-
On the Treatment of Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)
Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 24 studies (ivmmeta.com)
These sites provide numerous references to international, peer-reviewed studies demonstrating very high success rates for the treatments, which are relatively cheap to implement.
Why is SAGE / the government not, at the very least, recommending people to take the easily available, non-prescription dietary supplements Zinc, and vitamins C and D, to boost immunity ? I am not aware that the health service is making use of Ivermectin, Quercetin and Bromhexine – are they ?
As far as I am concerned, based on my research, the government and health authorities have not done everything possible to fight this pandemic and have let down the people of this country. How can the strategy of ‘lockdown restrictions’ be justified, with the associated detrimental effects on overall mental and physical health, and human rights, with the impossible aim of ‘defeating the virus’, when simple treatments have been ignored ?
Is it not time to retire the ‘Mathematical Modellers’ and Psychologists from the SAGE group, and replace them with experienced medical scientists ? Then the government might be able to follow the relevant science, rather than the relentlessly negative group-think which delivers such destructive advice.
Feel free to plagiarise if you deem it worthy ….
Or we could investigate the financial incentives of the vaccine and the virus
Man is jailed for travelling to the Isle of Man by jet ski to see his girlfriend.
Dale McLaughlan had never been on a jet ski before embarking on the 25 mile, four-hour, crossing from Scotland to the Isle of Man. After coming ashore, Mr McLauglan had to trek another 15 miles in order to reach his girlfriend’s home in Douglas. But his romantic gesture landed him in hot water after he was arrested by the authorities and charged with entering the Isle of Man illegally. Visitors who leave the island, which has only had 373 confirmed Covid-19 cases, must have written permission to re-enter. After arriving at his girlfriend’s home they went out clubbing together and when he was arrested he claimed to have been living at her home. Jailing him for a month, Deputy High Bailiff Christopher Arrowsmith said Mr McLaughlan had made “deliberate and intentional attempt to circumnavigate” the island’s rules, potentially putting the locals at risk.
Speechless. They should have given him a medal.
Judge added to list
Add Tom Cruise too..virtue signalling twat
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9057461/Tom-Cruise-gives-pair-Mission-Impossible-crew-x-rated-dressing-Covid-rules.html
On camera
Is he wearing 2 masks? He is already part of a cult surely he doesn’t need to join another one
and a closet Homeowner
Give the man a medal and not a fine. I knew guys in the RM and SBS who would struggle with this. He gets my respect.
Hero
I’ve always thought the Isle of Man would make a good prison/ refugee camp
Escape from New York style
They had a huge internment camp there during the war.
To lock up German and Italian dissidents who had fled from Fascist persecution to what they thought was a free country.
Now the whole island is an internment camp run by Fascists.
The Isle of Man was actually a giant prison in the PD James novel ‘The Children of Men’, a dystopian tale of mass infertility and the (negative) impact on our society and liberal democracy. The book is better than the film, in my opinion.
No one would voluntarily go to the Isle of Many prison in the novel. It was a one-way, compulsory journey to a scary place for those who committed any type of violent crime.
Well played lad. She must have been a hot stuff.
Subjective and shallow, but no she wasn’t. It must be true love though, he walked too.
Sounds like a Milk Tray advert!
All the posturing over Xmas is obviously just to seed the idea that we will have more nationwide lockdowns through January-April. The lockdownistas will just blame the plebs ‘not following the rules’ and tell us we only have ourselves to blame.
Sadly, it’s becoming painfully predictable. We all know now that it’s got nothing to do with the virus itself. They obviously didn’t achieve what they needed to achieve in the past six months and need more time.
That’s the sad thing, all those people saying that cancelling Xmas will prevent a New Year lockdown. Why can’t they see it will happen anyway? After all, the last lockdown was going to solve everything and “save Christmas” – which is yet again just about to be cancelled.
Hundreds of MP’s – most of whom are humanities and social science graduates – are following ‘the science’.
Hundreds of MPs are morons.
Morons with degrees, perhaps.
But morons.
During a bored evening I went through the cabinet and shadow cabinet, making a list of all their educational achievements. Nearly all law, PPE , politics or similar. Most also have had no work experience outside of the public or charity sector.
On the govt side only Alok Sharma(Applied Physics) and Therese Coffey (Chemistry) buck the trend. On the other side you have to go way down the pecking order to Rosena Allin Khan and Valerie Vaz (both Biochemistry). Not that science has covered itself in glory on this one.
Tommy McAvoy the only non college/uni/military academy one I could find. He’s been a factory worker. For a bunch who are always banging on about diversity they are a very homogeneous lot.
The most highly-qualified one we’ve had in recent years is no longer an MP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huppert
And yet Sharma thinks 1000 acres of glass and the world’s biggest Lion battery on a wildlife site of international importance will save the planet.
https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/campaigns/planning-and-development/cleve-hill-solar-park
So sad. Nature needlessly sacrificed to the ‘Climate Emergency’ cult.
Near Berlin they are building a massive Tesla e-car plant. Nature groups opposed it. Green Party councillors backed the factory.
Social science is an oxymoron.
https://twitter.com/rwjdingwall/status/1338860896664182801?s=20
probably the same ones who think there are 76 genders and trannies are real women
16/12/20
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The outage was planned
Goolag has implemented a new censorship net
Nothing more
any more info on this?
Just whispers from 4-chan
of course Goolag will never admit it
What’s “gmail”?!
An email provider e.g. Voz-0db@gmail.com
moronslaves@gmail.com
That’s the universal address for the herd!
I was waiting for “A piece of shit, just like Google/Alphabet”!
Near where I live there is a large medical centre that is offering “vaccines”. I understand the road leading to the medical centre has been closed to only allow those who are to be vaccinated access to the centre. The area around the centre has been roped off and 2 m signs put up all over the place.
Bearing in mind that the centre has 12 doctors and numerous nurses they anticipate (drum roll) they will be able to vaccinate 32 people per hour. You have to laugh.
Indeed, SM.
The minimum number of doses that can be delivered to vaccination centres is 975. To sustain viability these all have to be used within 3.5 days of delivery as they are already defrosted prior to delivery. So roughly 300 doses must be administered each day. This would be the schedule for even the smallest participating practice. So even with the particularly large number of staff at your nearby medical centre they could expect to work 10 hour days at full staff capacity and that’s assuming there are no ‘slow patients’ or immediate adverse reactions that would disrupt the process.
And I wonder if they have factored in the instruction to monitor vaccinated patients for 15 minutes – presumably requiring an observation room which could have, say, 8 ‘socially distanced’ patients in it at any given point in time with patients constantly coming and going. If the practice near you has just started vaccinating today presumably they are all happy to work at this rate on Saturday as well unless they intend to work well over 10 hour days between now and Friday.
So where are all the “normal” patients going? Denied basic medical care?
Yes, the medical centre is only open for “vaccinations”
BBC Northern Ireland all over this last night and today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55329741
The region has been on lockdown since mid October and only partially opened on Friday. So first off, are those measures working? Seems not. But of course, that is the people’s fault and more lockdown is the answer. I have so many questions about this because the reporting is so surface level with zero context given. Such as. Previous years.
https://www.lurganmail.co.uk/news/outrage-8000-ambulances-forced-wait-more-hour-local-hospitals-757379?fbclid=IwAR0xPm2nZJSXosPwggour6BNKEvEK_0BYf9fi3spncPwFykKlynEV679RQw
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/northern-ireland-hospital-crisis-only-started-says-top-doctor-38668655.html
We have next to no actual reporters or analysts in the region asking serous questions to understand the drivers. Is it slow movement due to everyone need Covid tested? Is it staff shortages due to isolating PCR policies (2500 staff in the region fall into this bracket last I read, and that was in August)? How many of these people are suffering due to the lockdown polices and now presenting? Who knows, like I say, no real questions are asked here.
The NHS in Northern Ireland has one of lowest ICU bed numbers per he’s head of population in Europe and so wasn’t exactly well prepared for anything, and it’s been going on years. Politicians were awol for 3 years until Jan 2020 because they don’t like each others corruption.
Tragic stuff on many levels.
We are being abused so it will always be our fault. It’s over when people realise and say fuck off
Its always money and power
To add to this you can see here the services have been in terminal decline over the last 5 years. So is the crisis a permanent one? I think it is.
https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/news/northern-ireland-hospital-statistics-emergency-care-201819?fbclid=IwAR16URN2roDYQjvqaCIk8clQcDhzdTPcYo7y9pMjQJNklrYhcCiLO30fnlw
And 60% of vacancies are unfilled.
Neil Oliver on around 11.05 -give it a try?
Neil Oliver is indeed very good, talks like a real caring human. Most of the presenters constantly switch positions and none seem to support the anti lockdown movement. The argument is only over the level of state interference and tyranny.
At least they do give a few non SAGE ‘academics’ somewhere to air their views, but not the more outspoken ones – which suggests they are simply a bit of token opposition. Ever heard anyone criticise the extremely corrupt Fauci?
How is it the government can decide from one day to the next how many people one can invite in to one’s home?
Presumably it’s by some Statutory Instrument? Is it one specific person or persons who is given this power.
But here’s my main question. How is it going to be enforced? Is Father Christmas going to check on us?
And then if we have been naughty – what’s the penalty? Presumably there will be a penalty?
The financial incentives of covid need a massive investigation because those who they say they are trying to protect, say isolation is the last thing they want even if it kills them they want to see family and friends.
https://twitter.com/FreeWilli8/status/1339096150935285760/photo/1
Scroll down a bit for the table.
With half of December left it looks like both Germany and Italy – yes that Italy – are heading for lower mortality for the year than in the last few years, and Sweden for alightly more – but then Sweden had a mild 2019.
The pandemic is a hoax.
It will be sold as saving millions from a plague and also reducing carbon emissions to practically zero ie saving the planet
Yes – it’s because we’ve spent most of the year locked down and/or restricted. It would have been ten billion times worse without. And look how many people we saved from traffic accidents etc by making people stay at home!
Still in this delusion phase?!
OPERATION COVIDIUS is working better than expected.
The number of SILENT DEATHS is on the RISE, so it makes perfect sense to use the Right Tools to increase these deaths even more. LOCKDOWN is a wonderful Tool for this.
I live in the Peoples Republic of Whales
Thinking of resurrecting the spirit of the Rebecca Riots
Getting all the men folk to dress up as Trannies and throw Drakeford into the Taff
Any action against us by the rozzers will be transphobia
I don’t wind throwing Drakeford into the Taff, even better if he’s wearing a concrete jacket, but I draw the line at doing it in drag.
The thing about woke is it is a fantastic weapon that can be turned on those who practice wokery
Drakeford probably sleeps with the fishes already (in the Simpsons sense).
So… The BEST PART of OPERATION COVIDIUS is that it provides the perfect smoke screen to keep the WEALTH TRANSFER that started in the Last Financial Terrorist Attack of 2008.
For those still in wonderslaveland, do ENJOY REALITY!
And this is still WITHOUT OPERATION COVIDIUS effect!
Been saying this for ages – this is a Neo-Liberal assault on the working class
Why so many on the (so called) Left are applauding it is beyond me
After that 2007/8 attack I started to prepare myself for the next one… And now that it is in motion, and since I was ready, I’m having zero effects in financial and economic aspects.
Hence the attack on wet pubs
Just been confronted by a collaborator who told me to “wear a mask, mate”.
I don’t think that he ever “had a life” to lose.
Best replies…
“Fuck off moron slave”!
“Keep you muzzle on”!
“Have a nice suicide”!
“If only the muzzle prevented morons from talking”!
“Baaa baaa baaa”!
My reply, if I’m feeling polite, is to say “I can’t understand you, take your mask off” until they do or go away.
Indeed if one is feeling calm and relaxed “What? Sorry? What?” until they get it!
Adding a slight speech impediment and a mad stare can end the encounter quickly.
I always become quite deaf in situations like that. “What did you say? Sorry cannot hear you with that mask on”. They either lower it and speak or turn away. Result either way.
I have a range of response, depending on my mood and whether my young daughter is with me at the time.
The best one in shops when a customer confronts you is to smile and ask them to wait there while you fetch the manager to report the abuse.
Guarantee they will vanish.
Another approach is to ask them what the hell they are doing being out in the middle of a plague, if that is what they truly believe.
LAstly, if a mask protects you, then what are you worried about? If not, then again, why are they out in a pandemic?
Thank you for all your replies, one and all.
You’re no mate of mine…get fucked.
A good answer is why?
Most of them have absolutely no idea.
Ask them to say the same thing to you somewhere quiet & not in public as they usually do. These people are cowards & bullies. A threat to them works wonders no matter how small you maybe. Just remember Joe Pesci (whatever his name is) in that scene in Goodfellas!!!!
Got stopped by Corona Stasi about my exemption
Gave the name and address of someone I absolutely detest
job done
Name and address ?
Yes – it happens from time to time in big cities
A friend was stopped by two policemen at 0200 on a local back road just over the Swale from ‘The Island’ (whose fault we all ‘know’ it is that we are in Tier 3). They accepted his (true) explanation that he had been surveying elvers (we are a group of local stream botherers trying to improve the health of our chalk stream that suffers from over extraction by Southern Water).
So you wriggled out of it…
Remember the “new strain” that was wheeled out on Monday there by none other than Twat Wankcock?
Well, 2 days after that revelation, the scummy daily record has done this article about the “new strain” after 2 days!!!
So, the “new strain” is pretty much like the “vaccine” in that Fuckall is actually known about it, but everyone pretends that they all know something about it.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/new-coronavirus-strain-scotland-everything-23173459
Utter wankers.
Yeah. It’s lies all the way down. This ticks a lot of boxes.
Vaccines confer immunity, so we must get it. But we don’t know so wear a mask and stay home.
Vaccines stop you from passing on the virus. But we can’t be sure so stay home, wear a mask and cancel crimbo.
And asymptomatic super spreaders are everywhere folks
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1338926042224857088
Still wasting paint to say “thank you” to these scoundrels?!
THIS IS THE MESSAGE THOSE SCOUNDRELS ARE SENDING TO YOU!
Truth hurts.
It’s official! We are being ruled by robots.
A couple of weeks ago, my local paper published an article on “covidiots”, their word for describing all those people who had broken the silly rules.
I posted a comment b.t.l. which included the terms “covidiot” and “anti-vaxxer” of which I said that I was not, but that I was concerned about this particular vaccine especially after what happened with the one for “swine-flu”. I also threw in a load of easily verified facts about Covid-19.
It appears that these three terms above were responsible for my comment being disabled. In correspondence with the customer relations department, I was told that my comment had been disabled because of the first two terms and also because there was some “swearing” in my post.
Those of you who read my posts on here will know that swearing is not my modus operandi, unlike my friend Biker, so I naturally took umbrage and asked for a copy of my comments, even sending the article on “covidiots” to prove my point. Twenty-four hours later, I get an apology to say that it was the fault of A.I. being too sensitive.
For those of a sensitive disposition, please close your eyes and shut your ears:
COVIDIOTS, ANTI-VAXXERS AND SWINE-FLU.
There, I feel better for that.
You forgot ‘FUCK OFF YOU LOCAL PAPER APPARATCHIKS !’
Language Timothy!
With apologies to Ronnie Corbett.
I’m glad that Will posted that, because back on the 28th of October he posted this regarding Boris resisting calls for a national lockdown:
I replied with:
I was very optimistic with a couple of weeks, as it was only three days later that he announced a national lockdown.
Their priming tactics are just beyond obvious now, so if we follow the same rationale – measures are mentioned, we’re told they won’t happen, the media and opposition party pressure increases, the government then say “oh, we didn’t want to, but we have to” – expect them to try and keep the rules in place for Christmas.
With a heavy heart, no doubt. What bloody heart?bHe hasn’t got one. None of them has. Just lumps of concrete.
https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi
Nadhim Zahawi: “A really good start to the vaccination program. It’s been 7 days and we have done: England:108,000 Wales: 7,897 Northern Ireland: 4,000. Scotland:18,000 U.K Total 137,897. That number will increase as we have operationalised hundreds of PCN (primary care networks)”
Doesn’t seem that a good a start to me. If my maths is right at that rate it will take about 10 years to vaccinate everyone. Or 6 years if you only vaccinate those who want it according to the polls.
True, i’ve looked up the numbers of vaccinating only the vulnerable. Presuming we have roughly 70,000,000 people in the UK with 15% vulnerable. We have 10,500,000 which would take 76 weeks by my maths or roughly a year and a half.
Luckily for them BAME people are 50% vaccine doubters, BBC R4 this morning.
What is the point of a third Heathrow runway when no one can travel !
Or BLOODY HS2.
What is the the point of……?
Fill in the blank,
This, presumably, is the runway that, if it went ahead, Boris was going to be lying down in front of the bulldozers to prevent being built. That runway?
Easter is apparently the new Christmas! No doubt the Church of England will wholeheartedly agree. I’m becoming more and more sarcastic these days…
The Church of England has abandoned Christianity and become the Cult of Covid. What it says about Christmas or Easter or anything else is therefore irrelevant.
They just had Esther Ransom on R2 telling how jolly it would be to have Christmas in the summer with Santa wearing swimming trunks like they do in Australia.
She’s part of the problem – “Everyone knew about Savile …”.
Demented. As bad as the current circumstances are. There are lights, trees and a sense of joy in (some) kids. Imagine taking that and making December just like January and February? Christ suicide rates are bad enough now.
Doing just that may be part of the globalist population control plan.
‘Ransom’ shall be her name from now on, fits much better. Celebrating the return of the sun just as it starts its downward journey, brilliant!
Feeling very low today. I just can’t get over the brazen lies. The nonsensical death count. The wilful ignoring of all reason. The lurch to 1984. The collaborators. The fact that untruths being repeated enough times have worked to convince the masses.
Something very, very wrong is happening here, and I’m not sure the history books will ever tell the truth, given the resources being pumped into this charade and the large numbers who really believe this virus is an existential crisis for humanity.
The RESPONSE to the virus IS exactly that – an existential threat. Anything could happen from here.
Every so often I imagine that something truly outlandish is going on, simply because I can’t compute the lies and misinformation being pumped out.
Have the politicians and health advisers had their kids taken by aliens, and are following ever more demented instructions for an experiment??
There are many, many more versions of this.
Crazy, crazy thoughts, but the current situation is maddening.
Stay strong – this is exactly what they want
Try doing something every day, even the smallest thing, to stick it to the Coronatarian state
And snigger whilst doing it
Coronatarian. Great word.
I met a fellow sceptic today, sadly she believes it is a worldwide conspiracy to prevent Epsteins victims from getting justice and compensation.
and the problem with that is … ?
Removing the Epstein case from public scrutiny will undoubtedly be seen as a positive side-effect of the bollocks.
It was to reverse 2016
Get rid of Trump (priority)
reverse Brexit (not so much-they may let that one slide for now)
Clearly the strategy of Democrats and hangers on, poor in USA and wider world just so much unfortunate collateral damage.
Eh! I’m shaking my head very slowly! Some people cannot be helped.
Cool..at least she is thinking something else that 99% of the people do. Beggars can’t be choosers and we are the beggars at this moment. Who ever doubts and questions the narrative is my ally at the moment even if they believe in lizard people. I still have a lot more in common with them than with the rest of this fucking country.
I feel the same, with all the facts and sense on our side we have made little impact. I only ever encounter normal people on this forum. People in my village regard me as an irresponsible germ spreader, though I am healthy and well. I thought the truth would dawn and they would realise they had behaved hysterically and disproportionately but instead it will all be covered up by the ‘life saving’ vaccine. I have no fears of this virus but I am more locked up than the Covid lovers who simply wrap a cloth rag across their faces and carry on as normal.
These waves of feeling low are commonplace – they are a mark of sanity and proportion.
Who of us who are sane couldn’t feel negative about the sort of crap that is constantly churned out in news bulletins – and is believed?
There are different ways of dealing with it. Mine involves getting an anchor down into the real data. It helps just to have that confirmation of reality. So yesterday’s fiction about mutated strains of the virus and the attempts by crap scientists to regain control was balanced by looking at information about the number of mutations that take place, and the fact that mortality is well within normal limits, despite yet another casedemic.
No – it doesn’t alter the downside of a population so intensely immersed in hysteria.
But it helps in keeping that sense of proportion and sanity.
I am not a very religious person, but the situation has grown so bizarre that I can only assume there are powerful evil forces at work in the world.
Maybe the Anti-Christ, or even Satan himself really are pulling the strings these days.
The banks, Pharma, Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, WHO, UN etc..
This is your life. It is happening. Right now. And there is very little you can do about the circumstances of it. You can accept it, or you can be upset by it, it matters not, it will not change a thing.
The only thing you can change is your reaction to it, and that is within your control. Many times your reaction to events is the only thing in your control. Ponder this and you will see that it is true. You are adrift on the sea of fortune. You can choose to let this make you miserable, or learn to live with it gracefully.
This is opportunity. An opportunity to grow, to strengthen your mind. We do not grow strong battling weak opponents, we grow strong in adversity.
Now is the time to turn to philosophy or spirituality, time to learn to take charge of your own mind.
If I insult you now, I have stolen your mind, destroyed your calm. How easily do you become insulted or upset? Do you see that your own mind is complicit in the provocation?
Take charge. Find a way. Grow, don’t wilt. You already have a strong foundation of courage. You haven’t been cowed by the greatest fear campaign in history. That counts for something. Build on it. Grow. Now. Right now. Become unshakeable. The time available for you to do so is passing by rapidly.
Plant your feet, stand your ground. This far and no farther.
Very stoic, love it
Me, too. I was told yesterday that my private hip replacement is off unless I let them shove something up my nose. So they will lose 12k just to make me take a risk as I have had 2 previous nasal surgeries and been hospitalised with torrential nosebleeds. I was told that it would be ‘at my own risk’. I was told initially that I could have a throat swab but have been fobbed off by every member of staff, including the surgeon’s secretary since, despite asking repeatedly. Yesterday I told them I was going no further until they told me the truth. I suspect they were going to spring it on me at the pre-op assessment (I even rang them but did not get a firm answer) and hoped that, because everything was planned and organised, I would relent. This is discrimination and I am making a formal complaint but won’t get anywhere. I am seeing a consultant at another hospital in January but suspect it will be the same. I will be making an official complaint but won’t get anywhere.
Still, make the complaint. You have a right to
I’ve felt that way for the last 20 years about the thermageddon balls, life is hard for anyone with more than a couple of brain cells and some scientific knowlege.
A great pity Wankers did not become a slopdish of aborted foetal cells. We could have had him in our vaccine.
If only people realised what goes into these vaccines! Its said ignorance is bliss, and for for many out there they’d prefer not to know.
Chris Whitty likes his graphs but I can’t see him using this one.
Chris Whitty. What a prick. Nothing else to add.
Indeed. Then add on the facts that :
At least half of the big spike was because of lockdown, mostly by emptying hospitals and seeding old people’s homes.
Just back from a choir session at our church, about six of us, who has recorded the carols to be sung at our Zoom carol service next Sunday. I had nightmares that all would be singing in masks but thankfully no, just had to sit a metre apart with the suggestion we couldn’t turn and face the person next to you in case it spread the nasty… This is all allowed in the current rules. Good to be able to have a good sing again, first time since March. But from the chat it is clear that they are all 100% covid converts.
Why aren’t you opening the church for the service?
‘This is all allowed in the current rules’
Who’s rules? The mad cabal that pose as our government? Sorry Dave, whilst I appreciate your love of singing, by participating in this kind of insane behaviour you are condoning it. Please don’t take offence at these words but the only way we will get back to ‘normal’ is if we act normal and refuse to engage in the ‘new normal’ which, to me is becoming a ridiculous hell on earth.
Well we all have different views on here and we have to accept that rather than criticising. I don’t agree with yours. Please leave it there thankyou.
We had a carol service in church with a good number disobeying the order not to sing. The vicar did take us outside for 10 minutes to sing carols as loudly as we wished.
The ‘virus’ has NEVER been isolated but even among sceptics most believe that it has. If it hasn’t been isolated how can it be the cause of a pandemic? How can it be tested for? And, indeed, how can a vaccine be produced against it? The whole shoddy and murderous nine months that have just passed are best described as a fear induced scamdemic to whip up frenzy and obedience so that those who are controlling this ‘war on humanity’ can transform the world to their design. Conspiracy theory? A year ago I would have said of course it is. Now?….anyone who doesn’t see what’s really happening is blind as well as foolish.
They don’t need to isolate the virus there are plenty of Coronas out there
They can just pick one and call it whatever they like
I don’t KNOW the virus has been isolated in the sense that I am not a scientist and I haven’t SEEN it, so I suppose it’s true to say I BELIEVE it has been – my understanding of the evidence of it leads me to this belief. New viruses do appear.
But I don’t see that it matters much one way or another and tend to think it’s yet another distraction from the key point which is that MORTALITY IS NOT EXCEPTIONAL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. That is what our case rests on – extraordinary measures are not warranted.
This is the key. You could simply bracket a range of conditions and as long as you eliminate enough others that’ll be your Covid. The size and impact of that is what matters. And it doesn’t appear at all to be more than usual.
Conflating symptoms with other things to produce an exaggerated mess is what we have here.
I read somewhere but can’t remember where now, that they’d isolated parts of a Coronavirus but a fraction of what a full virus sequence should be and said it was a new virus.
I’ve not seen anything published that says the full virus sequence has been isolated but it may well have. Who knows anything anymore?
Well if they have isolated Sars1 then there is no real need to isolate Sars2.
I would wager that Sars1 didn’t “disappear” as we were told but made it round the world as a bog standard Corona Cold without any fuss
I read somewhere that COVID is not actually a disease but an acronym for symptoms caused by coronaviruses.
We need to get hold of this ‘vaccine’, to find out what the bloody hell is in it.
Analyse it.
Doctors?
My 86 year old Grandmother is heading out for her vaccination today.
I can’t quite figure if that is good or bad. I fear the latter & 86….come on be realistic.
At 86 it is almost certainly a good thing. There is a risk but it is so low the benefits outweigh it.
BTW, at 47 and rude health, the only way I’m having the vaccine is strapped down in a chair against my will.
What benefits?
Is there a disease it protects you against?
Do you know what the vaccine contains?
‘pathogenic ‘priming’
Now, there’s an expression to play with.
“At 86 it is almost certainly a good thing.”
Not so fast, Gerry. Snake oil’s potential downside could be worse for the vulnerable – just like the virus.
The vaccine *may* cause an elevated immune response, which may be dangerous in the elderly, or anyone
https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/
A good immune system will also protect her. That includes optimal vitamin D levels
This helped me to decide for myself (link below). It seems, however, that many people have blind trust in Pharma and their governments and are simply not interested in taking responsibility for their own health.
From Robin Monotti Graziadei’s Twitter feed, Vitamin D supplementation seems to be the answer.
https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1338910409840070659
He right you know
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1338926042224857088
She didn’t get it, all pretend
Did she have the same vaccine Sadiq Khan had (the plastic tip still attached to the syringe) or is it benign? Are we expected to believe she took a rushed, indemnified, experimental vaccine predicted to cause unpleasant side effects? If there are indeed different vaccines for the wealthy and the famous, how is this organised?
Hopefully she won’t get a soggy bottom, or paralysed legs. Muppet
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1338270312434192385
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1338270312434192385.html
Interesting stuff. So if I read this right, the N gene targeted by RT-PCR can be expressed naturally, under stress.
So it can pick up a naturally occurring sequence of RNA in your body?
Can anyone break it down? Very technical.
Hi all, I did not sleep well last night, was up to at least 3am just in a sort of despair.
Admittedly I wasn’t in a great mood with the previous arguments, Zoom University, the poor weather, seasonal depression and grief. But seriously, this would be over quickly if everyone all said it was and stopped complying. The Liverpool gym defiance is one of our few victories. Yet thanks to the continuing obedience of the sheeple masses they can keep getting away with of this all the way into the planned dystopian hell. We keep hoping eventually there will be a turning point, one action too far, but there’s seemingly nothing they won’t put up with anymore. Many times we have predicted this won’t/can’t last much longer yet here we still are after 9 months with no end in sight. I mean we’re clearly being softened up for the cancellation of Christmas (wait for it: “with a heavy heart”) for fucks’ sake. And Easter as the new Christmas? What’s stopping them from just cancelling a second consecutive Easter then? Or everything forever if they can just keep shelling out the furlough funny money?
All we can do is keep trying to press on with as much defiance as we can. As others have posted today resistance movements fought for years in small numbers yet eventually ended up on the right side of history. We can only persist in the faint belief that the truth will eventually prevail. However I accept suicide might eventually be the only way out, the sheeples can enjoy their hell themselves. My family might finally understand once it’s too late.
In the spirit of Keynes:
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
Society can remain delusional longer than you can remain sane.
Just keep building contingency.
The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on keepin’ on like a bird that flew
Tangled up in blue
Where are those lines from? Would like to read more
Dylan, Blood on the Tracks I think, there’s also the very appropriate Idiot Wind on that album.
Cheers!
I’ve long believed that this doesn’t end until it can no longer be supported financially. Notions of freedom, decency, rationality and proportionality clearly mean nothing to the majority of people in this country.
When will we know that? It’s already well beyong that point on any rational basis. We shall end up selling everything to CCP (like USA in WW2) to eek out a miserable existence. At least then we could be proud of beggaring ourselves to prevent catastrophe. Now we’re complicit in creating the catastrophe and the majority are happy that we are.
Then just feather your nest. It’s what I intend doing.
When people start to go hungry – this ends
all revolutions are driven by hunger
Most revolutions are fueled by over educating the under employed.
Mark Carney was remarkably good on this delivering the Reith Lecture today.
He pointed out that costs of Covid and lockdown are borne disproportionately by the young, the poor and BAME. Cost in societal, healthcare, employment, insecurity, soon higher taxes and that they and their children will be repaying the huge sums used to bail out the middle classes and businesses.
Sunak is the key. Without his farcical money tree, whacking out the furlough, this shitfest would end overnight. If you ask me, he’s the most poisonous of them all.
All of the above is true. There will be no turning point, we are not winning and the compliance with every single stupid rule is almost total. We are now the Japanese soldiers on Pacific islands , still fighting a war we have lost long time ago. Despite all that, suicide is not the answer, trust me I know ! I have had a gun in my mouth nd the finger on the trigger, literally not figuratively. I’m struggling with these every day and suffer with CPTSD. But you must live as that is greatest FU to them . Your death will not change anything and nobody will magickly get the wool off their eyes because of it. You are not alone so we must keep fighting.
Very good, thanks.
Not quite as pessimistic as you, but we must keep fighting.
If you say we are losing, it means you are losing. I’m not losing. I’m fighting, I’m surviving, and I am NOT going to whine and sit down and despair.
Don’t let the bastards grind you down…ever…
“Individually we are weak as a single twig
but as a bundle, we form a mighty faggot “
We have the mighty faggot. It’s called Fetida Dick.
The furlough money won’t last much longer. And when the tax take is severely truncated… Don’t end it, hang onto the popcorn. It’s about to be an interesting year.
I’m not sure Nick. What is our economy anyway we appear to just live off artificial paper that bears no reality to actual economic activity?
I don’t see anything that stops the government printing more money in March to parachute people further?
Interesting year? I wonder if we’ve hit rock bottom yet. The New Year will see which way the wind is going to blow.
Don’t give up. You are right about the situation being very difficult, but if it does finally change – which I think it will for several reasons – it will change very quickly. Once the sheeple finally come to understand the economic disaster, the social consequences, the impact on our freedom, and the fact that this shitshow will continue unless we say no to it, things will change. Fatigue is already setting in. Yes, you see lots of Covidians (and others who are not true believers but are going along with it), but you are not seeing those of us who are staying home and avoiding the shitshow, and I suspect there are many of us who are sceptical and just keeping our head down.
Things cannot continue like this indefinitely. I expect that getting together for the holidays, which people will do regardless of the ‘rules’, will allow people to compare notes as well as see what it’s like to be with other human beings, and this will help to push things along.
I know it’s difficult and I also struggle to sleep (though my insomnia pre-dates the Rona). I also lost my mother this year and am very frustrated with my own ‘Zoom University’ (but from a lecturer’s standpoint). As bad as this dystopia is, however, I cannot see it going on indefinitely for a variety of reasons and we need to hang in there and not ‘catastrophise’ all the time, even though I fully understand that things are bad and could potentially get worse; indeed, they may need to get worse so that people finally snap out of it.
Focus on whatever you can still do that you enjoy and try to avoid the Covidians, either online or in public. I appreciate what you are doing to get the message out in your community – that’s very important – but do take some days off and focus on something else sometimes.
If MPs/Government ministers are pushing people to suicide then they should enable assisted suicide laws.
Cause and effect needs to be established.
I want to see Crimes Against Humanity criminal trials and for politicians (and others) to take responsibility for constituents who killed themselves. According to academics 130,000 died prematurely from Government ‘austerity’ policies and 111,000 DWP benefits claimants died/took their own lives because of ‘assessment tests’ – but no one gave a sh*t. So I have little hope.
However, if we’re going to die anyway then call the crimes out.
There’s a “drama” on radio 4 at the moment about Covid and Sweden. It’s pure agitprop against the Swedish approach. As drama it’s absolutely puerile. It’s just a vehicle for the writer’s politics.
The BBC doesn’t even bother to hide its agenda these days.
I can imagine, I stopped listening to all BBC output some time ago. The dramas were one of the good things but little by little the rot got in. The Archers was one of the first indicators, it went from the amusing game of who was first to spot the Min. of Ag. public announcement that week to wokest of woke. Even Radio 3 started aping Classic FM.
This is much better.
http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en
Radio Swiss Classic is more like Radio 3 in the 80s (minus the Test Match Special (of limited interest to the good folk of Switzerland) ie plays 90% actual classical music (just a little sophisticated jazz thrown in) with a unadorned announcements. Downside is it is in German. Hope to get an Internet Radio so I can programme in some decent classical and other music stations minus PC ideology.
The Archers became unbearably PC long ago…complete with women cricketers who could knock spots off male cricketers. You wouldn’t be surprised to hear something like the following:
“What are you going to make for the Summer fete, Clarrie? ”
“I’m making an embroidered Black Lives Matter banner complete with a picture of Malcolm X…”
“Oh well done, Clarrie. Racism in the countryside is a real issue. The sooner we get to grips with it the better. Talking of which, I hope I’ll see you at the Stop Racist and Sexist Morris Dancing protest on Tuesday. ”
“You will, no fear! I’ll be there – all tooled up as per usual.” [She laughs insanely.]
The Rewilding of Brookfield finished me off.
Just to lighten today’s mood here is the Weather forecast.
Today – mostly shit with tiny bright spells. Dark clouds coming in from all directions. Rain – loads of it – all very wet. Wind – up. Risk of death from being outside – moderate to high (0.000001%).
Tomorrow – more shit, total blackout – the sky caved in. Pressure very low – Risk of raining cats and dogs – wear a helmet if going outdoors. Wind – further up. Risk of death from being outside – worse (up to 0.00001%).
Outlook – shit continues, totally grim, raining frogs, dogs and sheep, hail stones – big chunky ones, swirling darkness all around, no light at the end of the tunnel, thunder, lightning, tornadoes – the whole shebang. Stay indoors long term. Risk of death from being outside – exponential (0.0001%).
Todays prayer…
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Probably deserves about 1/10 for effort to be fair…
How do people watch that (Wanksock ’emoting’ on GMTV) and not see a bullshitter?
The mind boggles.
Some People are unable or unwilling to believe in Evil.
Understand that anything real is dangerous, only fakes are safe.
That pic proper cheered me up , thank you
He’s laughing at all of us
Some people are calling it duping delight
How I see today/next few days panning out…
Manchester into Tier 2,
Londoners push for a cancelled Christmas,
Pfeffel “holds out” against the confected pressure to “save” Christmas.
New Year; numbers up. Northerners blamed.
The question is ‘which numbers’? Will it be a continuing seasonally normal rise in mortality (which can peak in January), or the artificial new casedemic figures?
They will take their pick
And encourage us to ‘take your prick’.
Plus ‘those people’ from Isle of Sheppey.
Oi leave us Swampies out of it
I just don’t think they can fiddle the numbers anymore because too many people are onto them.
Let’s see…
More places into tier 3 too I bet.
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Not today
SatanGovernment, not today.
This is what I posted on my family’s WhatsA group:
But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
It did not go down well
I finally got the ending of that today. I always thought it was so bleak.
But after a just a short period of totalitarianism I can see how easy it is to just go along with everything.
Not that I will do that…
O little town of Birmingham
How still we see thee lie!
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by
Yet in the tier 3 street no light
shineth
As all the fears of the past year
Are met in thee tonight
Some woman on Jeremy Vines show is meeting her elderly parents at a motorway service station to exchange Xmas gifts ‘safely’.
Probably one of those with a footbridge linking both sides. Puts me in mind of exchanging prisoners at Checkpoint Charlie
I’m afraid this family has already died. They just don’t realise it
Excellent point Ben!
People seem to be enjoying the novelty of life like this, as peverse as such a thing could be. They would never admit it, of course, not even to themselves. But the enthusiasm for absurdity is palpable. And hilarious.
As majority of population worship no God this is filling the gap the whole nurturing and caring society which they mistakingly believe they are part of. It’s desperate stakes.
Covid is their god. What an appalling spiritual void must be in them if Covid is all they can find to fill it. And as the churches also worship Covid, what a pit of slime they have become.
Anyone who claims an intermediary is necessary between you and the animating priciple of creation is trying to sell you something.
Annie-
You and Marialta are precisely correct.
Corona is the sophisticated wokester’s satanic new deity.
Those hokey Jesus and Buddha dudes just aren’t cool enough these days.
There are plenty of religious people who are worshiping at the Covid altar, including religious leaders and the Vatican
It now has ritualistic and ‘religious ‘overtones now definitely.
Yes, I think you’re right on the money. A little doom to get the juices flowing. The grey office people haven’t felt this alive since their first teenage knee-trembler.
I think you’re right but how can they wallow in other peoples misery. It makes me physically sick to think of all the suffering.
Now I’ve got Father Ted’s mrs Doyle in my head in response to the teas made salesman trying to sell her the gadget. “I like the pain and misery”!
(Because they don’t actually give a shit. Not really)
A lot of people don’t realise there are an awful lot of mentally ill people about, just because they have a government job doesn’t make them a well balanced human being.
Agreed. The people who seem to love Lockdown the most are those folk who never seem to actually DO anything. They don’t go to pubs, cinemas or theatres, they don’t go to church, they don’t get involved with their local community. Walking the dog or going to Tesco’s is probably the most exciting thing in their life. So they couldn’t really care less about lockdowns.
They think it’s just for this year and something to tell the grandkids in years to come, ‘what jolly good fun we had in the great covid pandemic of 2020’.
I wonder how they fancy doing it every year?? It hasn’t dawned on them yet, they are never getting their normal back!
This is it. The masses still think this is temporary. As Neil Oliver puts it, this is just season one, episode one of the pandemic box set.
Haha! Funeral in Berlin.
I hope they’re going to quarantine and disinfect the gifts.
I heard this too – but then the next guy they had on chastised her choices for being too dangerous still as they were going to be vulnerable people going out in public! I despair.
When a sports star or actor would win person of the year type awards, people would say that the ‘everyday heroes’ like teachers or nurses should win. It was inane virtue signalling back then and now it’s on steroids. I loathe the everyday hero thing so much.
I’d walk past billboards thanking nurses and delivery drivers and cringe. It was especially ridiculous because Australia didn’t have any of the excuses that the UK did.
It sickens me when they bang on about being ‘on the front line’. It’s not a bloody war, it’s your job you signed up for.
Don’t blame the troops for what is imposed on them.
I do when they fall prey to the Covid lunacy! My retinopathy nurse who refused to see me maskless as she was shielding. How many combat troops do you know who’ve signed up but don’t want to be shot at?
There was the one that was suing because he got cold on training…
those tiktok routines are exhausting though
Princess Nut Nut – PETA person of the year
Did you have to use that language.
Nut the Slut
I’m no longer religious but I believe this is why Christianity is so powerful. And it’s amazing why it seems to be infested with those of weak faith.
Yeah Jesus rose from the dead, but in the story he’s not so sure. After all in Mark we get “Eloi Eloi Lemma Sabachtani” (My God My God why have you forsaken me?) before it was watered down in the other Gospels.
Jesus goes through brutalisation over some days to get to redemption. Literally dying for others’ sins.
Now you don’t have to be religious to think that’s hardcore. Like Buddha with the tree or even Odin with the World Tree (Yggdrasil). In fact crucifixation is a figurative tree too.
But since we don’t really follow Buddism in the West and we have Christianity, there’s a certain archetype of sacrifice and resilience.
Where are all the heroes now?
<b>Stop this pro lockdown nonsense. Actions speak louder that words. Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have demonstrated clearly that the entire media and political class know the The Corona hysteria is a load of nonsense.</b>
<i><b>Dr JOHN LEE saw through the nonsense early on. He was once allowed to write in the Spectator.</b></i>
<i>The clampdown that is just bureaucratic insanity: Dr JOHN LEE argues that putting London into Tier 3 lockdown could cripple the capital</i>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9053311/DR-JOHN-LEE-clampdown-just-bureaucratic-insanity.html
I am going to grant myself the, extremely dangerous, feeling of the beginning of the mildest sense of optimism that Johnson has finally rediscovered his testicles. Doubtless I will pay heavily for such folly.
Does this mean he’s going to have another 357 children?
I actually hope he starts philandering again so the dreadful Princess Nut Nut pisses off and does us all a favour.
LOL! Lets not be too hasty!
His testicles are the only thing he’s never neglected.
You will be bitterly disappointed. They are all actors playing the public for fools. Andrew Cuomo’s Emmy Award is a bit of a giveaway.
Johnson is obeying orders from the globally orchestrated Covid Cabal. The UK would need a leader like Belarus’ Alexander Lukashenko (he said ‘NO’ to offers of a loan in exchange for imposing lockdown and restrictions. The MSM have since demonised Belarus). It’s not gonna happen. Starmer is worse than Johnson
They are safe and sound, in Nut Nut’s handbag.
Lockdown in January will convince you otherwise.The fuss over Christmas was pure theatre.They know they will be ignored and it’s unenforceable anyway.It suits them for us to mix over Christmas;it’s a ready made excuse for lockdown 3.Wales are not even bothering with the pretence.
Unless we get another set of useful evidence for the government to try to ignore, similar to the lack of an outbreak after the BLM marches and “irresponsible” seaside attendance.
Would it even matter? Who cares about evidence now? Vallance can just draw a graph.
Draw a graph exposing Vallance’s graft.
I think Boris has the secret flexibility of a dog or cat. Because when he seems to want to lick his own balls he does. And we’re all just left staring at the abomination
But we thought that in Sept/Oct when he resisted the circuit breaker before caving in yet again.
I know maskless is the way to go but I do enjoy wearing a full balaclava with ski mask into shops
Sorry not sorry
Me too. It unsettles people. Banks don’t like it either.
Shoplifters paradise.
Keep agreeing and amplifying!
In fact, go completely mental when anyone questions the balaclava.
Okay, but at least cut out the mouth and nose. How else are you supposed to breathe?
Déjà vu
Just been going back to 1968 with a box set of the early ITV series “The Prisoner”. WOW one of the best examples of Déjà vu when compared to where we have arrived today! Even down to the bland voices of the Radio anouncer welcoming each new day – So 2020 BBC ! The function of the Village Hospital is —— well words fail me.
Question, is Boris Number 2 and who the Fuck is Number 1 ????
I seem to recall from the last episode – brilliant series, incidentally – that the Civil Service was sort of suggested as Number 1, but I can’t be sure.
Not quite. Inflection is all. The bars close, just as they do in the opening sequence, at the end when he is “free”.
“Who is Number 1?”
“You are [,] Number 6.”
excelleny tv show
the prisoner is full of cult symbology to boot
“I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.”
occult*
I wear my Prisoner t-shirt with pride.
Ironically, the people who currently live in Portmeirion will be imprisoned themselves after Christmas.
And Patrick McGoohan, in Braveheart, played Edward I, who ravaged the Welsh without mercy and ruled Wales with iron tyranny. Much like Mark Drakeford.
Even David Icke doesn’t know this.
Remember – They can only cancel Christmas if YOU allow them to. So have the Christmas YOU want!
Agree completely. It amazes me how submissive and compliant people are to anyone they view as having authority over them.
Even sceptical friends use phrases about “being allowed” to see their families
Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55331366, Wales in lockdown on 28th. Hospitality closing at 6 pm on Christmas Day. Non essential shops closing after close of business on Christmas Eve.
The fact that they can wait, says everything
That early, firebreak lockdown worked well….
It’s now the FireRape lockdown
Yes. Puddleduck strikes again:
Fresh lockdown measures are to be imposed in Wales beginning on Christmas Eve, the first minister, Mark Drakeford has announced.
All non-essential shops, plus leisure and fitness centres and close-contact services, will shut at the end of trading on Thursday 24 December.
Hospitality premises, including pubs and restaurants, will close from 6pm on Christmas Day.
On 28 December, tighter restrictions for household mixing, staying at home, holiday accommodation and travel will apply. This new set of “level 4” restrictions will apply to the whole of Wales.
The first minister also said: “Here in Wales, the advice of the Welsh government is that only two households should come together to form an exclusive Christmas bubble during the five-day period.”
Drakeford said more than 2,100 people – equivalent to five full general hospitals – were in Welsh hospitals with Covid symptoms. The number of people in intensive care with coronavirus is at the highest level during this second wave – at 98.
Info from Grad live
So the other lockdown’s have not worked
The figures are literally unbelievable.
In hospital with covid symptoms? So not just with a positive test then? Either way, that figure works out as 0.067% of the Welsh population. Or to look at it another way, less that 7 people per 10,000 – hardly the plague.
All the rising ‘cases’ are in South Wales too. So us in the North and mid-Wales have to suffer due to spiralling cases over a hundred miles away. We have more in common, here in the North, with the folk of Shropshire, Cheshire and the North-West of England than with the Southern Welsh.
Deaths throughout Wales are within normal range for this time of year, according to Euromomo.
Local hospital is at normal capacity for this time of year.
Welsh Government are imbeciles. Drag them from power now.
Assuming we can’t undo devolution I think separate North and South Wales Assemblies would be reasonable. I’d give Scotland say, three. Would scupper nationalist tendencies if you only speak for a region and not a ‘nation’.
He’s announced a review of the sale of alcohol in pubs today. What are the odds that he really means, that he will ban supermarkets from seling alcohol from the 28th, to “protect” the livelihood of pubs, just as he stopped supermarkets from selling non essential items last time to protect local shops that he forced to go out of business.
If it were that bad a virus they’d lock down immediately.
Gaslighting. Coercive control. These people are abusers.
It’s minus 25 in Montreal this morning. I wonder how the suspended in air droplets are doing. Can’t see any from my living room window.
Boxing day sales in Chester, Shrewsbury etc will be busy to say the least.
My son moved to Narberth in September after he’d been made redundant as a chef in a London restaurant. He has been working and then not working (using annual leave as he wasn’t entitled to furlough) back to work then furloughed. He is currently by himself in a flat. His fiancée has just left her job as an ITU nurse in London and is going to Scotland to spend Christmas with her family before returning to Wales to be with my son.
But do they have a snazzy name for this one?
DRapeford Lockdown ??
PMQ’s Boris looks like he’s been somewhere sunny, he usually looks pasty
I actually think he has had his first half decent week, politically, since February. Starmer and Khan both walked into political traps and Johnson looks like he is the saviour of Christmas. He isn’t, of course, put politics is about perception.
Johnson is a LYING tosser…thats my opinion and I am sticking to it….
I don’t disagree but show me a politician that isn’t. He hasn’t had a good week as far as it affects me or indeed anyone else, but he will feel he has had a good week. A few more and he might have the confidence to chuck Wancock, Whitty, Vallance and the rest in from of a BD 9.
He’s probably been down to Beezelbub’s BBQ and Grill, picking up his Christmas bonus.
Spray-on tan.
Or he’s fallen head first into a bucket of shite.
Read that 3rd runway is to be given the go ahead- what’s the point of that then???
Absolutely no point whatsoever. Unless perhaps they’re considering using it as some sort of drone port.
No point. Hopefully it will never happen, but it puts a continuing blight on the large number of properties in the firing line. Imagine owning a house in Harmondsworth!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmondsworth
the point is so that the CEOs of the building companies can buy desert islands
They are only using 1 runway and 2 terminals at the moment.Cant see how a new runway fits in with the Green new deal.
No – that’s what I thought. Plus there arent going to be any airlines left.
It’s the U.N., Bill Gates, Davos, Club de Rome, W.E.F. and co private runway.
bang on the money (literally)!
Makes money for the contractors who are Boris mates.
Yet more utter shite from the scummy daily record.
She was asymptomatic, but tested positive anyway & then to top it all off, she gets in the message against mixing at Xmas.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mums-forced-self-isolate-23171439
Stupid cow.
Appendectomy. What tosh, but an appendectomy isn’t very interesting is it.
Hardly a high brow newspaper reporter
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/authors/lisa-hodge/
Lord Sumption speaking to JHB on Talk Radio this morning. Great wisdom and common sense. Worth the listen on YouTube from 8.08 am onwards
someone needs to instruct him & pay him a huge fee to mount a proper legal challenge – starting with the bogus PCR testing
Simon Dolan’s challenge failed. Both Lord Sumption and Baroness Hale former Supreme Court judges have spoken out against the lockdowns.
And then there is this from the Law Gazette.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinion/jr-is-the-only-route-for-challenging-covid-restrictions/5106776.article
it failed i’m afraid to say because it was the wrong challenge…in layman’s terms he was barking up the wrong tree. get the right dog and the right tree and we’re laughing
True but our judiciary aren’t as honest and independent as they should be.
Anyone got a link to just that bit of the show so it can be shared?
Sorry no but just fast forward to 8.08am….simples.
https://youtu.be/848cd9D3TWY
I think this is it.
https://youtu.be/848cd9D3TWY
Yes, he was very measured but resists any deprivation of our long-held liberties over a low risk virus. It’s great to have him onside. But he is a lone voice crying out in a landscape shorn of all human rights.
JHB sounds very crestfallen now. She confesses she once thought lockdowns, testing and masking (even though she did not think the latter effective!) would return us to normal and win us back our liberties. Now, after her three weeks of vaxojubiliation she is depressed having to consider that not even vaccination will get us back our liberties.
https://youtu.be/848cd9D3TWY?t=4493
Starts at Lord S
Part of it here
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1339124700744716291
Drakeford & Co. Bastards.
Great news earlier on Talk Radio ,The mother and daughter who were arrested for taking their grandmother from the care home now have her home living with them .It’s enough to bring a tear to the eye listening to their story , they are now fighting for all the other people who have been refused contact with their relatives and they are trying to get an interview with Johnson or Handcock to bring attention to what’s happening . These are the stories which will turn the tide against the government and bring more and more support towards us as we see the terrible human cost of lockdown emerging .
Politicians/The Government have stolen from us living and replaced it with being physically alive
If simpleton sheeple understood the distinction, then the human race might stand a chance
“A very merry Christmas
and a happy New Year
let’s hope it’s a good one
without any fear
War is over if you want it
War is over now………..”
J.Lennon
Block her.
“lovely stuff!”
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-data-travesty
I just received a letter from NHS Highland…. our completely overhwelmed, bankrupt, desperate and destitute NHS Highland. 5 pages of wipe-your-ass-for-you instructions of how to be prepared for days of power outages this winter.
Not a letter from SSE or my supplier…. no…. a letter from the NHS about power outages. The WEF is “warning” about the same. All blamed on the climate, of course, but you have to be pretty slow to see that none of this is premonition. At best – they are really getting their jollies off terrifying people. At worst – they are announcing their plans.
Of course, it also mentioned staying 2 meters away from any human, hand sanitiser, and get yer feckin’ flu jab, but that was a cursory bit at the beginning. Pure hysteria peddling, and the message was received loud and clear – just not the one they intended to send. Fortunately, we already anticipated this months ago and went about 95% off grid and mad on insulation. We can get by just fine so long as we’re not running power tools. (Which, it must be said, is a daily thing, so that would be annoying).
Oh fuck. Really. Is this heralding the Dark Winter that the conspiracy crowd are going on about?
I’ll have to sharpen my spear and prepare to go wabbit hunting.
Let’s hope not, but it does look that way. It’s suspicious, and we have no reason to think they are anything less than corrupt at this point. (Remember Enron’s rolling blackouts to drive stock prices?) Personally, I err on the side of preparing for the worst, but in our situation, this was just an excelleration of our off-grid plans anyway. About the only purchase we made that we wouldn’t have done eventually…. were crossbows, lol!
Good to hear from you again TyLean…hope you are okay.
Not seen you post for a while
Welcome back!
That is the Highlands that has Nuclear power at Dounreay, hydro power at Kinlochleven, and more windmills than a children’s tea party after a gay pride march, and it isn’t enough?
They can’t be right Ty Lean, Big Boris says so. Big Boris knows all.
They’ve obviously been consulting witht he same group that Drakeford, that caused him to predict the spike in infections two weeks before they happen. That’s solely his basis for putting Wales into prison again from the 28th.
What incentive is there for anyone to obey his “laws” over Christmas if there is a predetermined outcome, whatever happens in reality?
What time the Tier announcements?
Does it matter? Who cares what they announce. Ignore them. Who listens to morons?
I like to be engaged in the follow-up discussions away from this messageboard.
MAPs. Moron Attracted Persons.
To work out what tier you will be in, take the number of the tier you are in now, double it, then take away your original tier number.
‘You’re not alone’
‘More and more people are waking up’
‘If Monsanto put this vaccine on the market as a weedkiller it would be banned in a day’
Not to mention the disgusting and aggressive treatment meted out to Dr. Coleman on his entry to his local church to say a prayer for his wife. Who can argue that after the last nine months, organised, so called ‘Christian’ religions have relinquished any moral or spiritual authority they might have once possessed?
A must watch by a man who has been proven right throughout this whole diabolical year.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/is-this-the-last-christmas-they-039-ll-let-us-have_HKmeZPHAV9BDihS.html
I’m afraid the Church is dying on its feet. It seems a willing victim to its own demise. Apparently the Catholic Church is urging the faithful to have the vaccine for the sake of humanity! Its quite disgraceful!
The established church is apostate. Time to start over.
Sage has told us that the virus is extremely infectious, yet they also tell us that after a year less than 10% of people have been infected – surely they cant have it both ways….
So either;
a – the virus is not extremely infectious, or
b – the virus is extremely infectious and did the rounds earlier this year leaving behind herd immunity
‘b’ seems most likely and the virus is now endemic, circulating harmlessly through the healthy immune population and helping those who are frail, with week immune systems, and quite simply at the end of natural life on their way – with the help of all the other nasty endemic viruses that our immune systems deal with until our immune systems fail as we reach end of life.
Conclusion – the vaccine seems to be an attemt to cure us from natural end of life, which is both bollocks and profitable…
Would giving our aging immune systems ammunition, like vit D, etc, not be more aeffective protection – although not so profitable
c – the virus is extremely infectious but lockdowns and masks and distancing have stopped it spreading
I was attemting to be realistic
That is the what they will say though.
LOl – of course – spin reality to fit the theory
I hate to correct you Julian, but lockdowns were so effective that they stopped the virus before they had even started…. Twice!!!!
As the government downgraded its infection rating last March, and the virus peaked around Mar/Apr they’re looking a bit silly now. Vitamin C D and zinc should be on everyone’s shopping list. Looking after your own immune system is your best bet to staying healthy.
Would also add Selenium and Vitamin B12 possibly via Multi-B Complex, and maybe Magnesium
I’m sure it’s all good for you but i’ve taken none of it. I just eat a fairly balanced diet and go to the gym when el sturgeon opens them.
I couldn’t really care less about protecting against COVID i’d be more worried about catching the flu.
Agree, not specifically for it, but to boost your immune against any pathogen.
Was taking supplements long before the non-event showed up, never get colds now!
Due to soil depletion you can’t know how much nutrients your getting, unless you grow your own and control the nutrients.
If your going to the gym you are likely healthy with a functioning immune system, not a frail elderly person in a nursing home with a struggling immune system
Agree. It’s been odd that the government has never recommended this and other ways of staying healthy. At the bare minimum they should have resurrected that “catch it, bin it, kill it” campaign.
No money in it for them, that’s why.
Amen brother. This is the key point. At a basic level, the narrative is no longer internally coherent.
It is long past time for the rona to piss or get off the pot.
I agree with all you say and would add that vaccinating against these pathogens we have co-evolved with could create conditions for more novel pathogens finding a cosy nook in old people’s lungs, which could be a major risk for the healthy and younger population. Meanwhile old people will be condemned to die in other ways e.g septicaemia, cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s etc , none of them good.
New mask study (covered in the DM):https://publishing.aip.org/publications/latest-content/the-mask-matters-how-masks-affect-airflow-protection-effectiveness/
If I get into a conversation about masks with people I always ask them if they like gardening. I then follow that up with a question: Would you consider putting up a barb wire fence around your roses to keep the greenfly at bay? This nearly always results in a laugh of some sort. And as we all know….a message delivered with humour can can have a bigger impact than an argument..
It’s like a tin foil hat. People often laugh without thinking what the hat does exactly? It creates some amount of protection from the general radio wave spectrum, though whether this relates to mind reading is a different matter.
So a tin foil hat is actually better at protecting you than a mask
It doesn’t prove a thing. They talk about filtration, but of what? A virus? Nope. Just stuff. It filters stuff and so we can save ourselves from SARS-CoV-2?
“We hope public health authorities strengthen the current preventative measures to curb COVID-19 transmission, like choosing a more effective mask, wearing it properly for the highest protection, and avoid using an excessively used or expired surgical mask,” said Xi.
This why we need to focus on RCTs on this stuff. These people make their studies then recommend totally disproportionate public health measures on the back of them. They want us to be forced to wear masks all the time, punished for touching it wrong, wearing it too long, the wrong mask, the list is absolutely endless. Sounds like a job for Covid Marshalls.
It’s why the policy doesn’t work. Ultimately any effect needs mass enforcement on an insane scale.
My AM finally got a reply from Gethin. As a low income self-employed person I should be isolating for a month due to needing an operation. But no work no income, and the state won’t help, but they can offer me “support” great, help me carry the shopping I can’t pay for home? My only hope is I’ll wake up to find drakeford and Gethin dangling from lampposts.
You don’t need to isolate for a month that’s ridiculous. I agree about the dangling from lampposts though, its a lovely fantasy!
14 days before and 14 days after the op. Not that I can afford to do hope I get one of those rare negative pcr test results and the op goes ahead.
Head first into the Taff would be better
Look up the punishment meted out by Edward I to Prince Dafydd, brother of the last Prince of Wales.
Annie will surely be happy to donate the use of her horse for a re-enactment of the occasion…
Wolverhampton Express and Star newspaper happily announces that 200 Covid rule breakers are reported and “dealt with” by local police every day.
No surprise that the “Bozzer” worked at that rag for a while, a few years ago.
The Guess and Stir has been one of the worst local rags for propaganda throughout the last few months. I haven’t bought a copy since March and I don’t intend to.
Nor it’s collaborating sidekick, the Shropshire star.
Yes stuff that paper unless making a fire.
Excludes politicians, Neil Ferguson, civil servants, business people, celebrities, journalists
Mail just received from Chiltern Railways about travelling over Christmas. What sort of doublespeak fuckery is this?
Fines make you safer now?
I hope you sent a suitable reply!
Yes, fines make you safer. So do lockdowns. So does bombing innocent civilians in the Middle East.
Now stop asking questions.
Fines make you safer in the same way as testing for a virus makes it go away
stay safe! $$$
Does that still work out cheaper than the ticket?
Do they also think that applies to people who declare themselves exempt?
The way it is going the fines will be cheaper than the tickets
Its funny how despite all the hectoring for us to use public transport for green reasons this policy disaster has wrecked it and the train companies have done their best to put people off even further. Up go the subsidies!
Smacks (please forgive the pun) of ‘spare the rod and spoil the child‘.
There is a fantastic quote that sums up the exaggeration of Covid to a T:
“When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses not zebras”
– variants often attributed to Hilton Read or Ele and Walt Delaney.
The Seven Stages of Covid Grief:
1. It’s all about saving the NHS.
2. It’s all about saving lives.
3. It’s all about following the science.
4. It’s all about masking to protect others.
5. It’s all about test and trace.
6. It’s all about the vaccine.
7. Oh no it isn’t…it’s all about politics, ideology and the sinister wish lists of billionaires.
Hooray! It’s over! Back to normal very soon!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/16/armys-9999pc-effective-disinfectant-spray-kills-coronavirus/
(paywall)
The British Army has pioneered a Covid disinfectant spray which has proved so successful it will be sold to the general public.
The Virusend disinfectant formula has been found to kill all coronavirus strains in less than a minute and was proven to kill SARS-CoV-2 in 99.99 per cent of cases.
Now more than 50,000 bottles of the handheld Virusend disinfectant are being deployed to military personnel across the country who are working alongside the NHS at coronavirus testing stations as part of the military’s ongoing support to civil authorities.
It is already being used at testing sites in Medway and Preston and can be purchased online for £7.99.
I can’t see it taking too long to arrange for an aerial spraying of the whole country.
We just need to persuade the sheeple not to drink the stuff.
(It reminds me of a YouTube video posted here a while ago and showing people disembarking from a plane and being sprayed as they did so – anyone still got that?)
Ha ha
or persuade them to drink it???
Merry Boondoggle Bonanza, Citizens!
Interesting article because the main breakthrough seems to be the spray gun itself.
No idea what’s being used as a disinfectant. Stabilised chlorine dioxide maybe? That’s safe enough, in fact preferable to much of the ghastly stuff that’s in most spray sanitisers.
It says the bottle is re-usable, which again suggests it’s the delivery not the contents that’s innovative.
Chlorine dioxide isn’t “safe enough” to be used directly in sprays. It’s a toxic chemical compound.
“The US FDA has stated that ingestion or other internal use of chlorine dioxide (other than perhaps oral rinsing under dentist supervision) has no health benefits and it should not be used internally for any reason.”
My degree is in chemistry.
coming to a testing centre or hospital near you
You’d need to inhale it regularly up your nostrils and into your lungs, wouldn’t you?
That gives me an idea for a new ‘anti-Covid’ vape – with a hint of Blueberry and Vanilla. Protect your loved ones by sucking on our new pipe! Only £14.99 per bottle! etc.
Great idea, seriously, you’d make your millions.
Live updates from El Presidente’s daily dictator speech, it really is being made up as she goes along now.
If anybody wants to get angry, have a read of this shite.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-coronavirus-update-live-23174908
I know that I keep posting shitty daily record articles, I apologise.
Also, the lying wee boot has just said this
“I wish it was an easier or more binary decision”, she continues.
“But it is more complex than that. We are all human beings with human emotions and we’re all going through a really tough time right now.
“No leader trying to encourage compliance with restrictions can ignore all of that. But equally, I have a duty to reach the best balance we can and to be straight about what within the boundaries of the law we are recommending.
“The reality is is that this Christmas can’t be normal but we have every reason to hope that next year’s will be much more normal.
“Hard though it is now, let us all try to keep that in mind.”
My piss is really boiling now!!
“We recognise in some cases the isolation caused by being alone over Christmas will in itself cause harm to people’s welfare and we understand that some people will simply not be prepared to leave loved ones alone over the whole Christmas period, and especially on Christmas Day.”
Isolation causes harm. Who’d have thought it?!
Only over Christmas though, apparently.
“we have every reason to hope that next year’s will be much more normal.”
Say bye bye to next Christmas as well folks, that is explicitly stating next Christmas will not be normal.
Yes that stuck out like a sore thumb to me as well. Back in the summer we had every reason to hope that this Christmas could be normal…
FAN-DABI-DOZI!
She talks some load of old shite. Every article I can pick multiple quotes of complete garbage from her.
She’s right, next year’s Christmas will be ‘much more normal’ because by then, the mass of people will think compulsory masks, house arrest and social distancing IS normal.
Caught red handed, Wuhan researchers could face prison
The Biggest Conspiracy Behind COVID-19 Now Proven
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/16/covid-conspiracy.aspx
Your post doesn’t prove anything. Sorry.
I don’t believe it had an origin in the lab, but even if it had you’re not going to get proof out of the Chinese, only unprovable allegations from dissidents.
Me too
Sars2 is no different than Sars1 – it is just a bog standard bat cold Corona
It came from the lab. They were experimenting on corona viruses in bats, and some tight-arse took some of the bats and sold them on the nearby wet market. Occam’s razor.
Just a comment further to Alex Thompson’s on UKC today.
Uk Column today covers BBC dis information reporter Marianna Spring who has been approaching lockdown protest group as Marianna Claire. Alex Thompson suggests she is not a ‘clean skin’ given her university background. She graduated in 2018 and has worked for the BBC for c18 months. Having previously looked into mariannas background I can see Alex is right as Marinanna worked for a Moscow newspaper with a weekly run of 50k from memory. The newspaper dropped in circulation during her time with it and shifted to a biweekly.
At university marrianna spring wrote for the college paper producing 70odd articles in total.
MI5 ?
She is spectacularly juvenile and dim. No way is she there on merit, or what I used to understand as merit.
Fuck off Tobias Ellwood.
Julia Hartley-Brewer calls out the 77th Brigade’s Lt Col Ellwood on his bullshit:
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1339115524412891136
Great comment: I for one will not accept being banned from seeing my granddaughters whilst fans attend football, Oxford street is full to bursting and Airports fly new arrivals in daily!!
Scumbag was like a rabbit in the headlights facing her pertinent questions, but stuck doggedly to his well-rehearsed script.
Good I got a rude email from him after suggesting the aim of this was health passports
Did he deny it though?
Watched it, another thick as shit MP.
Another one who should be hanged, drawn and quartered when this is all over.
Lieutenant Colonel, my arse….
It would appear the Rapists Dad had just imposed a sentence of life imprisonment on the whole population of Wales (starting on the 28th)
His boy is only doing seven years for rape
Don’t forget he was up for paedo as well but they couldn’t prove it
Best comment I’ve read in ages
Drakeford is a dictator who’s pushed people to suicide
He’s out come the next election in May, which is why he wants to ‘postpone’ it.
Is that right, cunty balls Dr Shillary has been caught, out shopping without his gimp mask.
Tut tut, what will his mate piers say…..
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/16/dr-hilary-apologises-breaking-coronavirus-rules-forgetting-wear-face-mask-13758754/
After nearly 6 months of enforced mask wearing, which he promotes constantly, there’s no way he “forgot”.
People will say and do and repeat whatever is necessary to maintain their £.
a 6 month
holidaysuspension on full pay is the standardrewardpunishment for them showing what they really thinkClub med in South Africa
Seems like we aren’t the only folk keeping ‘a list’
Hopefully someone took a photo to add to the montage of Gary Lineker and Piers Morgan et al
Interesting tweet from Clare Craig which mentions a paper that indicates that as we know a ridiculous percentage of positive PCR tests are false positives, especially when prevalence is low
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1339181215102996480
The paper is here and is interesting reading for the technically minded
https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/early/2020/11/26/clinmed.2020-0839.full.pdf
Only about 10% of “cases” are real – and many of those have very mild symptoms!
I’d like to hear her say that testing is not needed for cold and flu symptoms. The testing is part of the agenda, of which tech companies are heavily invested in. I don’t want to live in a “papers please!”, QR code future
“Patients on the transplant waiting list were removed from the list for 2 weeks. Some of the patients screened pre-operatively had their surgery delayed. Patients screened pre-discharge were kept in hospital, unnecessarily in many cases. All the low-level, likely false positive results from the nursing home residents and staff generated further activity, including as a minimum re-swabbing but also track and trace of residents and staff in some cases. The results also negatively impacted on staffing levels to varying degrees, affected transfers in and out of the home and caused a distraction from other elements of patient care.”
The law of unintended consequences
There’s ‘unintended’ consequences – and then there’s the consequences of stupidity and fabrication.
I reckon there’s a difference.
I’ve seen this pic a few times and it looks a lot like duping delight. I researched a lot of this in relation to the McCanns whom I am extremely sceptical regards their official narrative of which the British public swallowed wholeheartedly.
Psychopaths and Duping Delight – Psychopaths In Life
That would be accurately described as the face of pure evil!
Icke is right. Look at that reptilian eye.
Icke done fooked up. He chose 5G as the bogeyman rather than Davos.
If it wasn’t for the reptilian garbage Icke might be an asset to the anti-lockdown movement. It’s a shame, because he’s a good speaker
I totally agree. His son Gareth’s a good orator too.
Interesting watch – The McCann’s: Embedded Confessions – Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt
https://youtu.be/uS6ucYudNAo
I’ve seen it all it’s really interesting. Richard Hall himself unpicks the whole narrative. There are so many inconsistencies in the story.
Funny you should mention RH. Just got an email to say that he has a 5 part pandemic special ! He has been silent for months too.
Could I please ask the good people of this forum not to post any more pictures of Hancock, having to repeatedly clean vomit from my keyboard is a particularly unpleasant task.
Another good example of this syndrome is the infamous clip of Bill and Melinda Gates smirking as they threaten us with the next scamdemic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP6_gy-MIE MW
Prue Leith is wheeled out to encourage us “oldies” to have the jab with words such as “It was totally painless, it didn’t hurt a bit, don’t be afraid”.
How patronising can these pratts get?
For God’s sake, we are aware that it’s just a jab, we’ve been having injections all our lives, we don’t think that it’s open heart surgery, now stop treating us like 7 year old’s.
We can think for ourselves, that’s why we are sceptics.
Hopefully someone will get back to Leith in a few days to ask her about any side effects – then again, they’ll only do that (in the MSM) if she had none.
She probably had the flu jab!
Hmm, not sure a brief twinge from the jab (which is after all a jab that would feel just like any other – but she’s not out persuading us to get our tetanus boosters done) is the major concern here…
She has been involved with government and business at high levels so not surprised she is being rolled out for the persuasion campaign. Personally seeing the masked ghostly disheveled broken people walking around the streets I don’t think they need much persuading.
If this vaccine causes harm to some people then ‘patronising’ is too kind
BBC journalist got a mouthful from a woman after he asked her why she wasn’t muzzled up:
https://twitter.com/BBCSimonMcCoy/status/1339167156550987776
He should mind his own business and thank his lucky stars he wasn’t in say Brixton or Tower Hamlets as he would have gotten more of what he bargained for.
Sounds like another cunt for ‘the list’
Is there supposed to be a video behind that link? All I get is a still picture and a series of tweets.
Not sure but many people were posting that link from the DoH reminding people not to challenge those not wearing masks.
You should see the comments below. They show everything that is wrong with this country at the moment. Thank god I’m of Twitter , I would probably be arrested for abuse. Some of the people, god help us.
A few decent replies tbf
Yeah plenty mention exemptions.
But far too many saying nonsense like this:
“I’ve been wearing my mask and gloves since 2017. To protect everyone. Its not that hard. Unfortunately its those Trump supporters who are killing everyone spreading their germs. Still shielding, stay safe”
I honestly think some psychological harm has been effected on these people.
It’s absolutely hopeless. Social media is cancer.
‘BBC journalist’ is an oxymoron. There are only BBC parrots or presstitutes
BBC Parasites.
Or more likely “propagandists”
Predictive programming or a message to those in the club?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(film)
The trailer for that is horrendous. I’ve had that Bob Marley tune stuck as an earworm ever since.
Yes…of course it is..
If it is predictive programming it’s not exactly a good advert.
Interesting new article discussing Eco Health Alliance (main organisation together with Lancet to stop serious investigation of sarsCov-2) strong connection with Pentagon. Names connected with the search of WMD in Iraq is occurring here. No surprises. US Fort Derrick Biowarfare Org is involved.
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/peter-daszaks-ecohealth-alliance-has-hidden-almost-40-million-in-pentagon-funding/
On that note:
“For the past twenty years, the world has been in the midst of a so-called “war on terror” set in motion by a false flag attack of spectacular proportions. And now, the stage is being set for a new spectacular attack to usher in the next stage in that war on terror: the war on bioterrorism.”
James Corbett: False Flags and the Dawn of Bioterrorism – Truth Comes to Light
A few weeks ago there was an article about the formation of ‘An Alliance Against Lockdown’. Does anyone know if there has been any progress with this?
Reply to tenchy who posted about disinfectant somewhere below, you may be interested in this article on Iodine.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32940656/
Good one. It almost suggests that taking a snifter of the stuff could be an alternative to wearing a face nappy – oh wait ….
Not far off Trump’s bleach comment!
DavidC
That was a weird one. As with most of Trump’s pronouncements, when you watch them in context they are different to what the (largely) hostile media makes of them. The ‘injecting bleach’ one was basically him saying that as there had been good results with bleach destroying Covid on surfaces, could these properties somehow be adapted for medicinal use. It seemed a reasonable piece of ‘thinking aloud’ by a layman to me. Yet when challenged Trump claimed he was being sarcastic, which he clearly wasn’t.
Yes, when you watched the video – he was speaking sideways on, to a Dr clearly just out of camera shot, – hardly the same context to what was reported. Interestingly enough though not long after he said this, reports from Scientists in Russia clearly stated: ““So far, no one has managed to hold UV disinfection inside a person,” he said. “We figured out how to do this…
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350
What really gets to me is the complete lack of any critical thinking by the medical or nursing profession. They seem to just go with the flow, I know there are concerns about job security within NHS trusts, but this is from colleagues who just appear to take things at face value.
Apparently a high number of doctors joined the Nazi party.
Well everyone ought to have critical thinking skills, but they seem rare, or rarely applied
I guess becoming a medical professional requires mainly hard work and following processes, and I suppose some ability to remember stuff – critical thinkers would make better workers, but it’s probably not a requirement
Sadly people trust the opinions of doctors and nurses regarding things like vaccines and pandemics at a societal level, but I don’t really know why they would – thinking about the wider issues isn’t really necessary.
I wonder to what extent NHS staff have been instructed (on pain of disciplinary action) not to communicate through the media and /or social media?
There are quite a few documented cases of NHS staff being sacked for speaking out against government measures (you can safely leak data and information supporting the government view).
I’m thinking more of private conversations at work.
UK Column has an interesting section on the BBC ‘misinformation’ reporter infiltrating anti-lockdown groups and hassling its members. If anyone is still in any doubt the BBC is just an extension of the State and a propaganda machine they should check this out.
The press and media is now no more free in the UK than in the likes of Russia, the powers in this country are just better at hiding it and fooling the public.
Just wonder when the rounding up of dissidents will start on the orders of the likes of Marianna Spring? maybe she could share what fate awaits us if she is monitoring this forum.
I think it was UK Column who highlighted a screenshot of BBC statistics from the news. In large figures were numbers of deaths. In tiny words underneath was the explanation ‘deaths from any cause’
I can’t find the screenshot on Google
No sense of honesty from the BBC, they present information in a completely biased way. No doubt they have been tasked by the UK establishment to keep the population submissive and compliant.
It seems crystal clear to me that certain high-profile BBC and other MSM reporters (not mentioning any names) have been utterly corrupted/compromised. Otherwise why do they never depart from the official script during press conferences etc? How do they sleep at night? They must have ‘vicar of Bray’ levels of malleability.
I can only assume they receive a generous salary top up to an offshore account to reward them for their compliance. Media and public figures clearly operate in a parallel universe to the general public – many are completely corrupt but never get punished like a normal citizen.
Taken from Reddit:
Two people walk into a bar.
Both have been vaccinated.
However, both are still required to wear masks and socially distance to prevent them spreading Covid-19 to each other.
Also, the bar has been closed for months and the owners have been financially ruined and will never operate another successful small business again.
That’s it, that’s the joke.
If anyone was to ever buy a pub/ resteraunt again in the hypothetical world where anything resembling normal returns you would need to be purchasing it an absolute song. With a view that should a pandemic hit you will shut down for at least a year and ignore any governments diktats to open. This is a key part of this whole facade that goes over peoples head. This model completely kills enterprise right now and going forward.
The year is 2030 and all the bars, clubs, cafés, restaurants, threatres, cinemas that closed and went out of business because of Covid rules are owned by individuals and bodies connected to the World Economic Forum. Tony Blair owns 500 pubs that he picked up for a snip. He doesn’t know what to do with them yet
I’m fed up of the exponential use of the word exponential, by people who don’t understand what it means! Yes HandyCock I mean you, just because you use the word, doesn’t mean that is what is happening.
Nor does it prove anything if you extrapolate a current real or imagined trend.
More weirdness on the Margaret Keenan story.
Apparently she was pictured hugging her daughter and son upon leaving the hospital.
But that’s against the rules! We’re not allowed! People like that shouldn’t be allowed to have the jab if they’re not going to do what they’re told!
But no, she gets applauded instead. Looks like immunity must be generated much more rapidly than we thought…
I stopped trying to make sense of it. Actual people who have actually caught the virus appear to be victims but those who haven’t are the baddies.
If it is the maskless that are breaking the rules, not social distancing etc.
Who is in hospital? The unlucky ones who did follow all the rules?
Was that in her script? Maybe she was ad-libbing. What will her handlers say
LOL I can just imagine someone in front of a big bank of screens screaming into the earpiece of a nearby ‘doctor’ plant…’What is she doing…GET HER OUT OF THERE, ABORT, ABORT!’
And weren’t they very young, she must have had them at 60.
Apparently one was a grandchild? It’s all a bit unclear.
and as simon dolan pointed out, if MK is over 90 her “son and daughter” are MUCH TOO YOUNG!
Apologies if this has been covered in another thread but I have just been listening to the latest London Calling with Toby Young and James Delingpole. As 2 sceptics they are increasingly diverging with Toby still believing in a considered calculation about minimising deaths for which the governments would be blamed followed by arse covering…. whilst James favours the ‘Great Reset’.
I must admit as this shit goes on forever I am less and less persuaded by Toby’s explanation. Thats party because isnt it odd that virtually all governments made the same calculation and that also the same policy has been favoured by dictatorships like China who have no need to worry about being blamed or the need for arse covering. Toby is also deeply involved in the relentless war on free speech….so is that incompetence too or is that being done for the same reasons? There again there is the Green New Deal…is that also incompetence and arse covering?
What does everybody think? If this shit show really is going to carry on for possibly years we need to formulate some coherent perspectives on motivations.
If Toby wasn’t reliant on the MSM for part of his income I suspect he might say something different. Self censorship? Look at the completely over the top response and you can see we are moving to a new authoritarian technocracy model of government.
After nine months of this catastrophic shit show, if anyone still believes that it is down to bumbling incompetence they’re not part of the solution but increasingly part of the problem.
It’s been obvious since the Leicester local lockdown that there is a conspiracy.All the other measures you can make a case for Government incompetence.
This became the basis for the local lockdown system which has morphed into the tier one.
The government want the population subdued while they carry out whatever it is they are doing.
I’m torn between a controlled demolition of the economy to bring in the green new deal or a forestalling of the economic collapse that was due from the sticking plaster of 2008.
Having read about the WEF I’m not convinced because of a lot of their policies seem like a science fiction.
Just because we don’t know exactly what,doesn’t mean something seriously bad is being undertaken.
“a lot of their policies seem like a science fiction.”
The emphasis on “seem”.
So often Scifi becomes reality.
Who is saying it is down to bumbling incompetence? No-one I know. It’s simply politics as usual, on steroids because of the hysteria.
The conspiracy comes from what they hope to bring in on the back of the Covid scam.
Incompetence theory is based on the premise that the government panicked and overreacted initially and everything they have done subsequently,is to cover the initial reaction.
Toby and Hitchens share this view.
“Incompetence theory is based on the premise that the government panicked and overreacted initially and everything they have done subsequently,is to cover the initial reaction.”
Yes, I also share this view, but to brand it “bumbling incompetence” is not accurate IMO. It was initially cowardice in the main, and since then has been more cowardice, arse-covering, love of easy power, vanity, lies and treason. Branding it “incompetence” suggests we think they mean well but are just messing it up – that’s obviously not the case.
100%. The politicians are like a bunch of kids who have broken into a house on a dare and have realised that there’s no-one to stop them trashing the place and doing whatever they want.
On your premise, what is the end game?
I’m with Toby.
Initial mistakes, subsequently covered up and built upon with lies (so yeah, a conspiracy of sorts) aka human nature.
How would you explain the almost uniform response around the world?
And the denial of HCQ?
“we need to formulate some coherent perspectives on motivations.” How would this help? We first need people to realise there is no public health emergency as this is the tool being used for controlling people.
I just think they’ve trapped themselves. Start with the extreme position of preventing all deaths and there’s no way to roll back from it. Every step that adds even one death becomes unacceptable.
About the only scenario that ticks all the boxes is the Great Reset with its associated agendas.
We need to end it asap. Find out what works for you.
Good experience in large local garden centre today, where 6 people including me were non muzzled, even had an assistant come over and explain than if I couldn’t find what I was looking for, they were expecting more stock.
Public health warning.
I advise you NOT to watch the video embedded in this article (actually, I advise you not to read the article either), unless you want to end up in A&E with shards of broken glass from your computer screen embedded in your fist.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55333195
“I advise you NOT to watch the BBC, unless you want to end up in A&E with shards of broken glass from your computer screen embedded in your fist.”
It’s useful sometimes to see what the enemy is planning. I regard it as reconnaissance deep within enemy territory. Difficult to come out unscathed though.
Only read the headline.
How are they supposed to “eat”?
Liquidise the food and suck it through a straw underneath the face covering?
Yes. Happy Christmas.
drink the KoolAid (christmas lunch flavour)TM
Latest news today is that 12 billion pounds—I’ll repeat that 12 BILLION pounds— will be spent on vaccinating the British public against a disease that has not been isolated, at worst is similar to flu and at best isn’t even noticeable to those who might have it.
This is YOUR money and to put it in perspective could be spent —depending on whose figures you take— on building 20-30 state of the art hospitals.
add that to the 22 BILLION spent on ‘track and trace’? (monitoring watching and harassing people)….34 BILLION in total?….
600,000 people in danger of losing their jobs in Hospitality alone?…….
Has it also cost about £300 billion to keep people sitting around on their arse for the last 9 months before they lose their jobs?
The ‘STATE’ now has all those people by the short and curlies?…they have to comply……give up their ‘non viable’ jobs and retrain in Johnson’s GREEN utopia……or just claim Universal Credit/Universal Income
Big difference between the two numbers:
UC (aka Universal Misery) was designed by Treasury (Osborne?) to squeeze the poor and reduce the benefits bill while still cutting taxes on the top 1-10%.
A UBI might one assumes be enough to live on, similar to what you get working at minimum wage for 40 hrs/wk. (But a UBI would still let you go out to work if you want and not lose the ‘safety net’, that’s the point of it.)
The whole point of UBI is there won’t be jobs to do.The 4th industrial revolution will put paid to them.Also it will never be enough.Extra money in the system will cause inflation and the price of goods will rise accordingly.Will end up in an inflationary spiral.
And to think that the bumbling idiot who presides over this came to national prominence in ‘Have I got news for you’ which for those who aren’t familiar with it is a comedy show meant to highlight buffoonery, hypocrisy and double speak in those who would govern us.
Extra treatment for heart disease, diabetes, cancer…
A powerful argument against pro lockdown people – can they honestly say the money could not have been better spent?
Primary health Care services which prevent unnecessary hospital admission are vital and yet the politicians like to talk about shiny new hospitals.
Talk about them – and then spend the money on something else, totally unnecessary.
I don’t think pro-lockdown people even try to see the big picture. This is very much all about their own personal ”safety”, as they see it. As they’ve been told to see it.
And STILL they go on paying out millions for these unfit-for-mass-testing PCR tests. A hundred pounds each, is it? When you think that that money could simply be spent on treating anyone who becomes ill with this fast-vanishing virus……
£12 Billion, £100billion, £1 trillion, it does not matter, the great reset will make all current Fiat currencies worthless. Look at th US money supply
Quit begging for crumbs people.
Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with a virus is not paying attention. Our lives are being destroyed by super rich parasites and their puppets. Quit asking for permission to get your lives back.
In the eyes of the public it is about a virus. That is the mechanism being used to frighten people, it’s the means of control. If you defeat that narrative, the fear goes and the public wake up.
Who is asking for permission/begging?
It should be clear the elite have stolen our freedom and plan to grow even wealthier selling little bits of freedom back to us at exorbitant prices.
They’re most definitely NOT ”elite”.
Well, aren’t you a hero from behind a keyboard.
I’m no hero- but I do speak out against this every single day in public and do go into shops where I live as the only unmasked person and challenge those who come up to me, educate them and confront managers when necessary.
There is nothing heroic in this it is what everyone needs to do even as we should not have to do so- unfortunately.
So no this is not from behind some keyboard and you only assume this because you are a coward.
well i think you are a hero allen.
US Speaker of the House Pelosi mandating masks in the US House:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-house-members-will-not-be-recognized-unless-they-are-wearing-mask
It should be obvious to thinking people face nappies are here to stay.
Tier 1 (masks, distancing, T&T) is the New Normal
Personally I think Pelosi should wear a full face mask.
Why do the most evil people seem to stay in government jobs for so long? In the private sector she would have retired at least a decade ago.
There is an Amazon river of corporate and foreign money flowing through DC.
I imagine it’s similar in London and Paris.
https://images.app.goo.gl/FX4EppajkzNbs7rW7
Something like this would work, complete with the rest of the outfit. I’m sure we could crowdfund a pyramid for her also.
Cannot understand it, if you have the power to stop it, why do they want their faces covered.
There is one person not for wearing a mask:
BREAKING: Trump does coin toss at Army-Navy football game – YouTube
I get a really strange feeling watching that clip. The noise, the military atmosphere, the masks, the really claustrophobic camera angles.
BeBop-
In my darker moments I can see the US election coming down to captains and colonels arresting Obama-installed generals at gunpoint.
He’s been talking up so much since even before election day that they aware of the adverse influence being primed for Biden. Since then he’s come right out and said many many things. Time for him to actually act or shut up and disappear to the care home.
I don’t see a Caesar in Trump.
I imagine he will slink away or the Left will imprison him on trumped up charges.
Red China will invade Taiwan the minute Bejing Biden takes office
Taiwan will be Biden’s inauguration gift to Xi.
There is no hope for US. This is quoted from a doctor working for TV channel MSNBC
https://twitter.com/VinGuptaMD/status/1338973609818132483
I get my vaccine tomorrow and I’m grateful to the scientists who labored to make this day happen After the 2nd dose 21 days later, I will continue masking, distancing and avoiding travel, until Dr Fauci says otherwise. Stay vigilant, ignore the noise, normalcy is ahead.
The inventor of the PCR test thinks little of Fauci:
https://youtu.be/meCsa95FtAY
Conveniently, Mr. Mullis died 72 days before China confirmed the outbreak.
Was it her who didn’t wear when she was getting her Barnet cut?
yes and she was advocating shutdowns of salons, but arranged her own session.
Maybe she could start by wearing one in the hairdressers?
Today I received what was a very conciliatory sounding email from my conservative MP regarding the vaccine and not her normal CCP round robin cut and paste job. I wonder what brought that on!
Funny you should say that. I also just received a slightly-less cut-and-paste email from my MP (also a woman; perhaps the same one?).
Her email still parroted the standard government bullshit, but the tone was much more “please don’t hate me” than the previous one I got from her which went so far as to warn me of the fines I could receive for non-compliance with the diktats.
I’d like to think that something has changed within the Tory party to prompt this, but the cynic in me just thinks it’s standard two-faced political manoeuvring. No doubt she also sent plenty of emails to her lockdownista constituents telling them how hard line she is.
The petition that sparked yesterday’s debate now has 325,000 signatures. Maybe that got their attention.
Yet this one is growing strangely slowly:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561818
petitions do nothing
turn up in person at your MP surgery and demand
Unlike the latest email I got from Peter Kyle in response to plea not to support a slide into mandatory vaccination.
He agreed that it should not he mandatory, but went on argue basically that as long as we all voluntarily take it, then it won’t need to be mandatory.
Can’t argue with that logic!!
I had one from mine too, telling me she has a lot of correspondence and directing me to her FAQs. I shan’t bother. I’m still incandescent after reading her words to Madge H in parliament:
” I have always warmly appreciated the energy with which the Secretary of State has successfully prevented our hospitals from being overwhelmed, and I have also backed this amazing vaccine that has now been rolled out. ….”
Do you think he simpered and blushed prettily before answering her? This kind of thing sickens me. I shall waste no time in writing to her to say that she should remember she is supposed to be speaking FOR US, not expressing her own strangely warm appreciation of someone generally considered to be an arrogant, self-serving oik who has been complicit in the ruin of this country.
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yes yes yes – this looks like a very promising avenue! everybody should take a look and get a claim in…
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1339177460122972161 About Hancock’s mutant strain.Clare Craig’s comment clarifies.Only strains which replicate more give enough sample for sequencing. No wonder they are easier finding more transmissible strains
“Of all the cases of COVID diagnosed in the UK only 0.8% have been sequenced by Cogconsortium uk Strains that replicate more will have a higher chance of reaching the criteria of a good volume of good quality DNA needed for sequencing. There’ll be significant bias.”
The only place to defeat the propaganda at their own game is the msm, twitter, etc where the sheep lurk
I dislike Faecebook, but I do post occasionally with the hope of gently provoking a bit of wrong-think. A good place to start is those ‘sponsored’ threads that appear, usually pushing some NHS/PHE diktat or some Covid-avoidance miracle product. Oddly enough, the former tend to have a lot of sceptical posts on them, but the latter seem to be 100% compliant – I suspect they are carefully curated, with paid posters etc.
I do my bit by always reporting the .gov, nhs,phe ones as spam…
I’m not a big user of Facebook, only have 20 friends on there. I hardly post but have posted a couple of anti lockdown messages over the last two months laced with humour. I got zero response, not even a like, certainly no comment. Noone had the guts to even say they think I’m talking rubbish.
Some of these are going to be unfriended shortly. I am going to review each of them and thin out those who are visible covid zealots, ie pictures of themselves in muzzles, unnecessary references to being safe or social distancing, as well as general political correctness or wokeness. I don’t suppose any of them will be bothered, neither will I. Do I think it will make any difference? No but it will make me feel better for a few minutes!
Hope its more than a few minutes….who needs these people.
Now this is funny.
https://youtu.be/vVhlcCyF7e8
‘Obedience is next to Godliness’… now there’s a message you can chew on, and then eject into the nearest cuspidor (not enough around these days, horrid germy things, can’t think why I said that).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpXfNHmU0AMYA_4?format=jpg&name=small
I’ve only just arrived today!
So this may already have been spoken of/linked to. Apologies if I repeat.
https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/179279657247591/
Just had a phone call with 1 of my team whom I manage.
Nice girl, outgoing, early twenties, has some good life experience, been backpacking and travelling etc. Lives on her own. Smart cookie.
Said she is craving some human contact and feels stale.
Me ‘hmm, human contact is important even if people are not generally outgoing. Wondered why they want us trapped indoors’
‘hmmm, to make us unwell?’
Me ‘there you go, you are getting there. See, people covering their fases, no means to communicate, no friendly smiles. People need to see faces and need to interact. It’s mental torture’
‘I don’t mind wearing a mask’
Me ‘hmm hmm’ she has previously complained about people not wearing masks, then she tells me.
‘I haven’t been feeling well, had a terrible migraine last night, aching limbs, hot sweats’
You can only lead people so far, they just don’t want to make the jump.
I’m making myself sick by following the rules which doesn’t make sense but must follow the rules even though they don’t make sense.
She’s lost to the brainwashing.
I’m sorry.
I’ve been into town today (yes, I know how to have fun…)
No muzzle. No confrontations – but lots of friendly chats with assistants and even other shoppers all of whom seemed happy and relieved that someone, anyone, was prepared to engage, speak, joke and smile. (I always did – but now it seems more important.)
I’m not strong enough for confrontation, so I do wear my cotton scarf loosely round my chin, ready to pull up in a dire emergency. Never needed to! I feel annoyed with people wearing muzzles in the open air – bonkers – but even more, I feel sorry for them and what they are losing.
You can take horse to water, but you can’t make it drink…. Poor kid, no hope.
someone tested positive at our primary school today. they sent a few close contacts home but everything else normal.
sent my daughter in with a bit of a cold today. not covid though
vor 8 Minuten
Edit
https://reitschuster.de/post/studie-erhoehen-die-masken-die-sterblichkeit/
A German doctor has analysed infections and death rates in Kansas counties with and without mask mandates (his study, in English, is embedded in the above linked article)
Result: mask wearing INCREASES infections AND deaths!
Which is logical: a mildly infected asymptomatic mask wearer breathes in the exhaled virus particles again and mire deeply, making him more infected, symptomatic and infectious.
I guess, there is a bright side to politicians zealousness on masks…
They will put all the bacterial pneumonia infections caused by masks down to Covid.
Same with any deaths/illness caused by the Frankenjab
This is exactly what Jenny Harris (PHE) claimed in May on BBC.
Also, Kevin McKernan’s recent twitter thread had a large one dedicated to the possibility that masks are nebulisers. So they don’t really protect others.
And Masks have done nothing for Europe
The three restaurants I’ve been to in the last few weeks haven’t even paid lip service to Trap & Trace. It’s totally ignored in these parts.
Pizza Express Cardiff were acceptably half-hearted about it last Friday.
Had a fight on my hands in Harvester Cardiff Bay
managed to blag my way in but it was a struggle
What’s a restaurant Mr Dee ?,sorry,it’s been so long up here I can’t remember.
Although I’m in the Soviet Republik of Wales, luckily I’m on the border, so can nip over to sunny Shropshire for a dose of sanity and a slap-up meal. (Probably illegal. I don’t even know anymore. )
Anybody remember a couple of weeks in the summer when Sweden had the highest deaths per million rate? All the papers were falling over themselves claiming that Sweden had failed.
As of today they rank in the mid 20s and likely to drop further but somehow they’re still failing.
Curioser and curiouser.
so much cherry picking from the lockdown zealots
Indeed.
However, voluntary lockdowns and long covid.
Sorry, something like that.
The MSM is still going on about how Sweden failed, though.
Just saw sth today.
Check out McNally’s grotesque piece in the Guardian (link in today’s round up).
He claims the Swedish approach has been “disastrous” and effectively accuses Tegnell – along with Gupta and Heneghan – of being cranks.
What he doesn’t mention is that the vast majority of deaths in Sweden have occurred in care homes, which were locked down, so the wider strategy has been largely successful.
Sweden also had much milder flu seasons compared to its neighbours in 2019-20, has a higher percentage of elderly people and higher population density in its main cities.
He also fails to address Ferguson’s model that predicted around 85,000 deaths if Sweden didn’t take measures against Covid, but apparently even though it still hasn’t even reached 10% of that figure in 9 months, it’s still “disastrous”.
And Sweden has had zero excess deaths. And they didn’t shut down their health system for three months.
Depends how it’s measured I think.
Based on Statista’s data, I would say by calendar year Sweden may finish with some excess deaths (if based on the usual definition of 5-year average), but even if this is the case it doesn’t look like it will be significant in the context of its “disastrous” approach to a deadly pandemic.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
“ (if based on the usual definition of 5-year average)”
… which is actually a nonsense baseline in the historical context.
Portugal’s “COVID” deaths are closing fast on Sweden’s, for a similar population. In the spring, you would get “journalistic” pieces exposing how they had killed half their elderly population with a dangerous and selfish experiment. Now, of course, it’s as if Sweden never existed.
The caller, Gemma, to LBC is entirely fine and the assertion that it’s not just goes to show how intolerable the ‘tolerable’ are when, like any dictator, they’re onfronted like the bullies they are. More light should be shun on this, but it won’t be as that would derail the plan.
As for South Africa, watch this space, think the caller above is bad wait to you see the real racists openly call for the killing of the farmers there. It will come here in some form if we do not remain an open, discussing the difficult things and free nation we were not too long ago.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Was visiting my parents today and noticed a subtle change in attitude (in the right direction).
I refuse to wear a face nappy (I am exempt as I have asthma). Up to now my parents have been accusing me of not wanting to wear a mask. Today, my Dad, who was going to Lidl and invited me to join him, stopped in his tracks and excused me, saying “Oh, you can’t wear a mask …..”, not “you won’t wear a mask” which has been his attitude for the last 9 months.
I’m ‘exempt’ because I can’t breathe with them on. I honestly wonder if people would rather I keel over and die in a shop to prove it.
Hello everyone I went to the doctors today because I’ve been having chest pains due to wearing a face mask at work. I also have asthma and the nurse there told me the high blood pressure I’ve got from wearing a face mask is common.
OMG! Face masks cause high blood pressure too?
Is the Government trying to actually kill us?
OMG an appointment at a surgery and seen by a real person . You must be private .
Just had a blazing row with my brother. He is totally brainwashed and is incapable of thinking for himself. I am still reeling as he is intelligent guy and holds a senior position in a listed company, but boy oh boy, he is a complete zombie.
We hadn’t talked about “it” in a while, I actually backed off from giving my opinion lately as I do get on with him really well, but today he came out with a load of garbage about bubbles and hospitals and that I could die as I have an underlying health issue and wasn’t I worried. To which I responded no, I’ll make my own decisions and won’t be told by anyone else, we live in a free country and can do as we like. I also reminded him that everyday life contains risks and if I was to take his advice to “be careful”with everything I do then I would never leave my bedroom let alone the house. Then he came out with “they” are in charge of us and we have do what “they” say, I said who is “they”, he responded the government, to which I reminded him that “we” are in charge and not “they”, “they” are elected by us. He just didn’t get it. Waffled on about there is nothing your lot can do most people don’t think like you, which was the only true thing he said.
We are fucked, I tell you. Truly, completely, fucked. They have done a real job on the zombies. You could tell them to do anything and they will follow without question.
How has this happened in front of our eyes?
Television was the nail
Social media was the hammer
Smart phones were the lube
Ha ha, spot on!
He is gone, like my family. Keep the nice memories of him and avoid contact if you ever want to talk to him again. Maybe, years down the line when all this has calm down, maybe then you will be able to have a reasonable conversation , but until then there is no hope
Yep, some people are totally gone. It is just like when they turn zombie in the films and there is nothing you can do to get them back.
Reminds me of the body snatchers….maybe that’s what’s happened…..do not sleep whatever you do
Tell him he’s supporting the slow death and destruction of the poor. If he doesn’t respond to that, he’s definitely a severe case.
Yeah I guess thats the bit he doesn’t get, he’s a six figure salary guy and I have always run my own business. Unless you feel the pain, why should you change? It’s also at the heart of the reason why they acquiesce so easily, I’m alright Jack. The tsunami is en route for those fuckers, mark my words.
My commiserations, Mo.
This mirrors almost exactly the conversation I had with my parents this morning. Thoroughly dispiriting. I’d even e-mailed them stats from the ONS, Euromomo, and even the BBC, to try to persuade them it’s safe to see their grand-daughter before Christmas, but they’ve not looked at the evidence.
To be honest, and it sounds quite callous, but I’m not letting it bother me. The choice is theirs. I can’t let myself get down over things I have no control over. Thank God I have a wife and three kids with alert, enquiring minds who see through this bullshit. I’ll concentrate my efforts on helping them through this instead. Onwards and upwards!
The thing is, it’s the Zombified who are fucked. We’re not, and never can be, because our eyes are open.
Look on the bright side – the illogicality blows the ‘argument’ out of the water.
This is why there needs to be trails for those complicit in crimes against humanity. Kay Burley has fled to Africa after breaking Covid lockdown rules to have a party. This is the mainstream media
I think thats how it is now….if people were told to wear 2 masks now they would. If they were told to only breathe in through their nose they would. I dont think there is much now they would not do. Except if they were told to do some independent research….somehow I dont think they would do that.
Red China will invade Taiwan the minute Joe Biden takes office
Why?
Because they can
Taiwan is the real China and it must be removed from history
They don’t have the amphibious capability.
Taiwan, as a satellite of China’s economy, is already under Beijing’s control – more or less.
I am not saying it will never happen, but currently such an invasion would have far greater costs than benefits for Beijing.
… and, whatever else, the Chinese leadership isn’t stupid.
they need to manufacture something – an “uprising” in taiwan leading to civil unrest that the CCP has to act on. . However in the meantime they are concentrating on taking over the south china sea – building artificial islands in neutral waters etc
This is the most likely scenario.
There is already so much interaction between Taiwan and the mainland that Taiwan is already effectively reclaimed.
It’s always been part of their plan. Tibet then HK then Taiwan. The Taiwanese have war-gamed it as per this book – https://tinyurl.com/y99ton6k
In terms of the timing, who knows but 2 things spring to mind about it happening if Beijing Biden takes office:
Worth posting this again – around 1/3 of people quarantined for up to a week in Toronto during SARS 1 suffered from PTSD. The instance increased the longer the quarantine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323345/
Billions of people have now had 9 months of it. The SPI-B and BIT people would know that they are torturing us already of course.
Courtesy of Boris
“He urges people to keep the numbers they are in contact with as low as possible in the run up to Christmas
He also ask people to avoid travelling from a high prevalence area to a low prevalence area and to avoid staying at other places overnight.
Elderly people should wait until they are vaccinated before spending time indoors with relatives, he says.
And he warns against joining crowded areas in the Boxing Day sales.
“Have yourself a merry little Christmas and this year I do mean little,” he says adding: “Things will be better by Easter.” “
“Just 3 weeks”
“It will be over in November, certainly by Christmas”
Exactly. They all (bastard Whitty and bastard Vallance included) lie like they breathe.
(or more like they fart)
They knew it was lies all along
GFY, Boris. And while you’re about it, stop lying about “Things will be better by Easter.” You said that numerous times throughout the year, and you were lying every time.
Fuck you Johnson,you fat,useless,lying bastard.
So we allow the shops to open Boxing Day but the PM asks people to boycott the shops.
Wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier if we just asked the Russians or Chinese to nuke the whole country and have done with it
It feel’s like that would be a good outcome now.
I work around London Bridge now after months I go into 3 of the coffee shops I regularly vist and get my order without even opening my mouth. When I asked them how they know ,, story in all 3. Because you are the only customer that never wears a mask and always smiles and says good morning. There is hope but it is slowly dying. I feel bad for the people working there, mostly young , immigrant people hanging to their jobs by a tread.
Mask take away your humanity and are all about control. Therefore I will NEVER wear one and it’s why i probably wont see my parents for a loooooong time. They live aboard in where you HAVE to wear mask everywhere, even outside so I guess that is a no from me.
Thank you Thomas, for what you do. All of humanity benefits, but the stupid ones can’t see it
Whenever I see Joan of Arc my brain says OMD not The Maid of Orleans like it should really !.
Just received my regular dystopian update from Transport for London “Our enforcement staff and police partners are actively enforcing the national requirement for everyone to wear a face covering over their nose and mouth while in a station or on public transport, unless you are exempt.”
It’s amazing how the language of the police state drips so easily from these people, isn’t it?
Another country, not my own.
Survey on the government’s response to COVID and attitudes to vaccines from the LSHTM:
https://bit.ly/LSHTM_COV2
I’ve no idea how they’ll use the responses (really) but I felt like taking the opportunity to let them know what I really think.
I enjoyed that 10mins. Obviously, I made the most of it (some answers may have been a tad facetious).
Thanks, I really enjoyed that
Thank you! I enjoyed that too!
and me
He he. That was cathartic
Blood pressure/brick through screen warning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/16/who-urges-europeans-to-wear-masks-when-meeting-up-for-christmas
“It may feel awkward to wear masks and practise physical distancing when around friends and family, but doing so contributes significantly to ensuring that everyone remains safe and healthy.” Awkward? Bloody stupid
Can’t bear to look.
My god I hate the Guardian these days.
Excellent advice. Don’t forget to keep your mask on while eating the turkey & Christmas pud.
My family are meeting up at Christmas but we shall all be wearing diving suits, helmets on, with independent air supplies. Rather than put Granny at risk of catching the deadly lethal fatal virus, we shall not open our face-plates at any time indoors. Those with sufficiently long air-hoses will be allowed to venture into the garden, one at a time, briefly to open their face-plate and ingest a bit of turkey or stuffing before clumping back indoors to let the next person out. By ‘briefly’ we have decided that 5 seconds will be the maximum period for having one’s person exposed to the deadly lethal fatal virus. That’s risky, of course, but we like to live dangerously, as you can see.
Have a splendid Christmas, everybody, follow these sensible protocols and, above all, STAY SAFE!
Woohoo! My new nextdoor neighbour’s a full-on lockdown sceptic.
Ive just been chatting to my Asda delivery guy…he is too.Thinks its bullshit and he is sick of it?…..there is light at the end of the Covid Tunnel
Until those in positions of power and those that influence them have enough they aren’t going to ease off. But hopefully more of the population is slowing waking up.
Compensation claims re PCR test:
https://twitter.com/Celestite66/status/1339109800257478663
The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg asks if it would it be safer to ditch plans to relax Christmas rules.
She also asks if the government has done any modelling on what impact Christmas gatherings could have on the spread of the pandemic.
“We don’t want to ban Christmas,” Boris Johnson replies, adding: “That would be inhuman.”
He reiterates that the guidance should be regarded as “the outer limits” and people should try to minimise their own personal meetings.
On the modelling question, Chris Whitty says the modelling shows that any kind of period where people come together who would not do so otherwise leads to an increase in risk and an increase in deaths.
So the last few months haven’t been inhuman?
I fucking ‘hate’ the BBC and Kuenssberg…..arrest me
Here – have an uptick. And put some money in the swear box!
Whitty is a liar ( go on sue me)
Models? Haven’t they had enough of bloody models?
Oh of course I’d forgotten, no-one has ever died at Christmas of anything ever!
Except maybe loneliness and despair!!
“On the modelling question, Chris Whitty says …. “
Oh yes – that ‘modelling question’ has been answered so precisely, so often, hasn’t it?
FFS – this is one of the ‘model’ Chuckle Brothers – who were telling us about 4000 deaths per day in December.
Stupid Hugh Pym defending his actions as “public spirited” and getting absolutely hammered for it:
https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1339173348195053568
There are also a load of sanctimoneous arseholes on that thread who believe their own zealotry allows them to tell others how to live their lives, and they believe there are no valid reasons not to wear a muzzle. They are the ones with a problem, not us
There are. A few MPs I might add who are also getting hammered.
Whatever happened to mind your own fucking business? We are all covid marshals now according to Pym.
And claiming it was “public spirited.” If he was one then he should be doing his job and asking the government hard questions and not being their mouthpiece.
One could argue that engaging in conversation with strangers increases the risk of spreading a virus, mask or not.
if a virus can even be caught? that’s a whole other discussion
Questioning a woman, typical of that type. I have never worn one and not a word has been said.
Just imagine, for one moment, if I approached a stranger in public and accused them of being dangerous to public health for being morbidly obese.
Now, this would be none of my business of course but they are clogging up the NHS because of possible type 2 diabetes, blood pressure, heart attack, and stroke etc, etc. Not to mention they are more at risk of having severe reaction if they do contract Covid.
I am sure that Mr Pym would be one of the people ‘twittering’ about fat shaming.
I may be wrong.
Or I wondered if he’s ever approached a woman in a wheelchair and asked why is she in one.
He’s a bully and a coward. I seriously doubt he’ll approach a man especially one built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or someone whose skin tone is several shades darker than his.
Sadly “Hughly Dym” is only getting hammered on the disability angle not the “why don’t you do your job and look into whether they actually work?”
A few did mention that but yeah its mostly been about disability.
Keep it small, keep it short, keep it local…………………
I notice the TalkRadio interview on You Tube with Hartley-Brewer and 77th Brigade Ellwood has been blocked for ‘violating the YT terms and conditions’?
anybody know why?……..
It contains the truth?
Sinister. Probably because she called out all of his mis-truths? It’s still available as part of the whole show, 25 minutes in:
https://youtu.be/848cd9D3TWY?t=1544
thanks Leggy I will watch at my leisure.
Thanks, enjoyable to hear Ellwood slapped down and discredited, although they are so arrogant he won’t see it that way
Has to be her statement that its no worse than the flu, if it is indeed removed for something said.
They don’t like that at all.
Bit worried about that coca cola turning up positive. I’ve started going to KFC for lunch now as they only sell pepsi. #staysafedrinkpepsi
Yes but have they tested the fried chicken?
Better have a Nando’s then.
This is the worst pandemic for 100 years, yet the NHS has had it’s quietest ever year. Over 1 million people are DEAD, yet hardly anyone knows someone who has unexpectedly died of the virus. The virus does not discriminate – we are ALL at risk, yet the death rate for under 70s is completely normal. Masks are the best protection, yet everywhere with strict mask mandates keeps getting more ‘cases’. Lockdowns work, yet the virus keeps comes back.
Will people ever see the disconnect between the shite we are fed by our media, scientists, politicians and the reality of their very own eyes?
Nope
We have to face the distinct possibility that the vast majority of the population are ENJOYING the “calamity”
People will change their mind next year when the full cost of the lockdown hits home
It’s a fascinating demonstration of the susceptibility of the public to propaganda. It certainly shines a new light of understanding on history.
I agree. We are now living through Germany 1930’s.
‘Unexpectedly’ such an immensely important word in this context.
It’s hard to believe they can’t see it when it’s so blatantly obvious to us. But it seems they cannot, they have been brainwashed and blinded by the media hysteria
Like you say, I know nobody who has died because of the virus, but I do know someone who had died directly because of the government’s malfeasance in handling it.
I find myself wanting revenge. Is that wrong? I have never felt such enmity in my life before.
Agreed, the hospitals are so overrun that in Morriston Hospital, Swansea last week (allegedly in one of the Welsh hotspots). I managed to see a consulatant (scheduled consultation), who arranged an ad hoc chest X-ray because he discovered I was overdue for one, which led to a CT scan because they couldn’t get a decent X-ray.
I walked out of the hospital having had all of that done one hour and fifteen minutes after I walked in.
And all without wearing a face mask.
Try doing that on a “normal” day when everything is quiet.
One hour and fifteen minutes!!
In any hospital I have been in it takes that long to get a seat in the waiting room.
“Will people ever see the disconnect … ?”
Probably not. Sadly. That’s the power of propaganda.
So deadly we have to be tested to see if we have it or not, and if we do, the treatment is staying at home for two weeks
I still don’t know anyone who’s had it. I had flu in 2018, which was pretty bad. But I was still free
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid?fbclid=IwAR3Sah1s7FWql6jzcvecMBE8UW85fKoQPUIM7JX8vjrX7swIZd3zheBZL-I#status-of-covid-19
On the 23rd March i.e. 4 days later, Michael Hancock addresses parliament:
Note the hyperbole of the latter (even making allowances for the blatant lie). And here is the establishment that, according to the majestic Left revolutionaries, is desperate to play down covid!
And by Christ is there hyperbole!
Well I’m not too “up” on the serious public health emergencies of the last century. I seem to recall one that drove cows mad or something. So I’ll need to use Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
Ooh this is impressive. Working within the last century, there’s some big ones: the Russia typhus epidemic of 1918- 22 serves up 2.5. million. It’s beaten by the Asian flu of the 50s: 1-4 million. A bit vague there but never mind. The rest seem a bit feeble though. 5 here, 35 there, maybe a few thousand.
But what’s this? “1.6 million+ (as of December 2020)” Good God! It’s a veritable holocaust. It’s …covid! Gosh – you’d almost think this whole article was designed to lead up to that devastating denouement. Well we can be sure those inerrant PCR tests are really pulling their weight!
Now back to our Saint Michael:
Sound the knell for compulsive compassion!
Yes indeed – nothing like revealing what you’re really up to.
Everything! So if someone complains, “Where’s my operation? Where’s my medicine? Where’s my job? Where’s my community aid?” etc. just tell them, “Shut up! Don’t you know there’s a plague on!”
Oh go easy on him, he’s not trusted to actually write the script.
Apologies if someone has already mention this today. Professor Calum Semple of Liverpool University is reported to have said that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could be altered to tackle the new mutation. That sounds like he suspects the vaccines currently being rolled out might not be effective against the new strain. So, where does that leave the vaccine strategy? Is the government going to insist on people undergoing another two injections every time a significant mutation occurs? That’s hardly a practical strategy.
nothing is practical or rational about this whole insanity.
12700 variants, the vaccine programme may take a while!
Exactly! What a con job!
So the last triumphant week of vaccinating over 100,000 people has all been a waste of time?
Good interview on Spiked with JHB :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0djkT_xbgc&t=3351s
Is it just me or is Whitty the most mirthless, robotic twat to ever grace our screens?
And Sadiq Khan is the most useless, irrelevant and pointless person to ever serve in public office?
Walter Whitty and Sadoik Khan are up there and it’s a very long list! Whitty once said “I’d rather have a prefontal lobotomy than a free bottle in front of me’, he’s really that funny, so they did it and it shows.
The office of London Mayor was created to give a job to Ken Livingstone. That is all you need to know.
Your partisan slip is showing. Get a grip on the history before you get taken over by yet another Covid-like myth.
(Hint – the Labour Party hierarchy hated Livingstone)
The office of London Mayor was created to give labour permanent control of London like devolution in Scotland and Wales.Livingstone left the Labour Party to run for Mayor.Like everything New Labour touched it’s been a disaster.
There’s tough competition on both counts, starting with Thatcher & cabinet and continuing through Major Major, Blair, Brown Cameroon and Maybe to the current dangerous buffoon.
Top retractions in 2020. Plenty of Covid papers in there
The top retractions of 2020: Mostly, but not all, COVID-19 – Retraction Watch
1
The most spectacular flameouts involved a pair of articles that appeared in two of the world’s most prestigious medical journals. Both The Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine were forced to remove articles that relied on data from a questionable firm called Surgisphere, which refused to share its results with coauthors and the editors involved. (The Lancet also retracted and replaced an editorial it had published that had cited the ill-fated paper.) Before it was discredited, the paper in The Lancet had tremendous influence, leading to the suspension of clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. A third, influential Surgisphere study was taken down from the SSRN server at the request of a coauthor. The withdrawal of the preprint, which was about potential benefits of the antiparasitic drug ivermection, received little fanfare, let alone a retraction notice.
4
The same week as the Lancet and NEJM Surgisphere retractions, the Annals of Internal Medicine backtracked on a highly-cited paper it published in April that purported to find that masks were ineffective at preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The article, which became a media—and social media—star, was woefully light on data, based in fact on just four subjects.
I haven’t heard the news today. Any exciting new variants? Have we broke the 20 million death mark in the UK yet? Have we now got a video of dancing vaccinated geriatrics? Has the Left had a nervous breakdown and screamed, “Oh my God! What have we done?”
I have been stepping over dead bodies all day…its terrible ‘down our way’…there is a ‘plague’ dont you know?
It’s so bad round our way that the Amazon delivery drivers give out parcels and then shout ‘bring out your dead’ to load up for the return trip.
Drakeford has fucked Wales and therefore all of us who, for the time being are working to pay taxes to support his fascist regime.
He can rely on English money to bail him out.
Boris should have used the Corona con to at least shut down the de-evolved appendages
Saw loads of hearses drive past.
The horror!!! The horror!!!
I went into my local bookmakers and asked for their modelling on the Australia vs India Test series due to start in a few hours. They could only offer me ‘odds.’
They’re batting for the other side.
There’s a stark analogy from Prof Whitty, as he compares three households meeting up for five days to driving at 70mph on an icy treacherous road.
Based on what exactly?
Peter Hitchens came up with a much better anaology for the Governments response to this virus, like trying to put leaves back on tree’s to stop Autumn.
Ice racing is great fun!
can i suggest Whitty does an experiment and try both . He needs to do the meeting three families for five days first as that will have no effect then come January if we have a bit of cold he can go for a drive .
I’ve been mixing with tens of households for 9 months (actually forever).
Maybe I am a good driver.
Agree. Mr Hitchens nailed it with that one.
I know which I’d rather do!
Whitty’s been caught playing with children. That’s my theory it always points in that direction. He fair looks like the type.
That’s way it goes I’m afraid. Too many refuse to see.
How would he know ?, his chauffeur does his driving for him.
It is the season of goodwill they say.
So i’m considering reducing Johnson’s deserved long prison sentence by 6 months for holding his nerve in relation to Xmas.
Or is that too much goodwill….?
too much. he should stay there until he passes. socially isolated and masked.
It’s ‘goodwill to all men (not gender specific))’ so give him another 10 years!
goodwill?
they are only allowing you xmas because it maintains their illusion of control. if they’d have banned xmas it would largely have been ignored
maybe the fools supporting hugh pym would have gone along with it. maybe not
Yes absolutely, the illusion of control would have fallen apart if millions were carrying on as normal without state permission.
When the slaves return to being controlled after a few days off for good behaviour the state becomes more powerful as it confirms people believe and submit voluntarily despite logic.
Cover him in estrogen and throw him into a vat full of trannys
tranny grannies
I misread that. Thought being thrown into a vat full of fannies would be his (and my) dream come true
Never forgive, never forget
Jesus Christ can forgive him, should He wish
agreed
The Christmas reprieve is for them not for us given they have second homes and such.
They don’t care about people and for that they deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered.
Given that he didn’t have a politically viable option – I think 3s is probably enough.
Sweden would have been viable but would have taken considerable strength of character and a determination to promote what the medical profession have known for a hundred years over junk science.
yes it most certainly is. give him one hour in a locked room with Biker…
Ivermectin as Pre-exposure Prophylaxis for COVID-19 among Healthcare Providers in a Selected Tertiary Hospital in Dhaka – An Observational Study
Result: 73.3% (44 out of 60) subjects in control group were positive for COVID-19, whereas only 6.9% (4 out of 58) of the experimental group were diagnosed with COVID-19 (p-value < 0.05).
Conclusion: Ivermectin, an FDA-approved, safe, cheap and widely available drug, should be subjected to large-scale trials all over the world to ascertain its effectiveness as pre-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19.
https://www.ejmed.org/index.php/ejmed/article/view/599/337?fbclid=IwAR10MWtbUR4Nn5J05Xlce8eSTyFT8zxdxouZSokAAZjvgYYVMOnlyAxRW-M
Campbell (loves a mask) does a decent summary
Ivermectin and COVID 19 – YouTube
if it’s good enough for caged birds and small mammals…
This was spoken about a couple of months ago on Sky News Australia.
But the big pharmas don’t like ”cheap”.
Johnson off again with the deliberate confusion about christmas
Johnson was a journalist.He should have stuck with it.Tosser
You mean Johnson was a … “journalist”.
i.e He fits in well with the associated network of anybody’s tarts who ply their trade under that label
… but are a universe removed from real investigative journalism such as that which revealed the problems with Thalidomide for the old Sunday Times.
P.S. Apologies to honest ‘tarts’ who give a genuine service – but you know what I mean.
apologies i meant ‘journalist’ in inverted commas…….
.. I know. It’s a vanished species if the quotation marks are left out. A bit like the Dodo.
Hack
He was a pontificator. He was not a journalist.
Johnson was a journalist in the same way as I am an athlete if I run for the bus.
Obfuscation and lies are the cornerstone of this whole scam.
I enjoyed the slip where the historian got the better of the politician in Johnson and he started comparing himself to Cromwell who famously tried to abolish Christmas as a Papish abomination,
Don’t insult Cromwell – a lot of the myths are wrong. With Johnson, they’re an underestimate.
Whitty says says social distancing will need to stay in place when the vulnerable have been vaccinated, as those outside of this group will still be at risk.
They have no intention of stopping this, possibly ever!
It will only stop when enough people decide it stops, and to hell with the zealots and the useful idiots.
If you aren’t vulnerable, how can you be at risk?
you are a ‘diseased super spreader’?…didnt you realise?
Well most MPs know a few diseased super spreaders..or so I’m told
Honestly, how dim can you be? If you’re not vulnerable, plainly you are vulnerable and by definition at risk.
In other news, the Science* is in: 2+2 really does = 5.
*Based on a worldwide consensus of Scientists (note the capital letter).
I was thinking exactly the same. He’s fallen into a logic trap of his own making.
I’m hoping Christmas plays a part in speeding this process along. Really, these local Tiers were a masterstroke by Pfeffel (politically). It is always another area’s fault when you are bouncing between Tier 2 and 3
I could have told you that in March…in fact this has been ongoing for decades…ALL PLANNED
Of course, but a lot don’t see it, even now.
Anybody who listens to Whitty or Vallance needs their bumps felt. They are notable only for their consistency in making barmy pronouncements.
Well over half still do
AND they’re unelected.
Is Chris Whitty actually evil?
“Covid-19 is harmless to the vast majority of people” – Chris Whitty, Downing Street briefing 11th May, 2020
69 people under 60 without comorbidities have died within 28 days of a positive covid test since September…. and fifty fucking eight of them were over 40!!!! It is considerably more dangerous getting into a car.
Let alone actually driving it.
I’m reading The Wandering Who by Gilad Atzmon at the moment (I know, no pop ups or colouring in, even though I can now colour in-between the lines).
His theory of pre traumatic stress disorder is what the majority of sheople are suffering from.
“within the condition of the Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder, the stress is the outcome of a phantasmic event, an imaginary episode set in the future; an event that has never taken place. Unlike the PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) in which stress comes as the direct reaction to an event that (may) have taken place in the past, within the state of Pre-TSD, the stress is the clearly the outcome of an imaginary potential event.”
yes. but lockdowns aren’t imaginary.
i guess it’s the phony rona that sheep are suffering ptsd from.
would the sheep consider the negative impact of lockdown?
Yes, the phony Rona is the imaginary episode, their brains are mush so cannot see that lockdowns are the problem
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE let me drive the first ‘dozer.
The Heathrow expansion legal dispute was overturned by the Supreme Court this week. Was this so Boris could act like some kind of eco warrior, riding in to save the day?
I think the only reason HS2 is going ahead is so Johnson can stop Heathrow.
Like all political leaders, he vainly wants a big infrastructure legacy.
I’d be surprised if you were wrong
Why is it we can spend a decade or two arguing about what do with London’s airports, yet shut the whole country down without so much as a debate about it?
The whole thing is a joke now (which is probably why the decision has been released today). After the decimation wreaked on aviation by Boris and his chums Heathrow doesn’t even need one runway, never mind 3.
I still want to drive that dozer though.
If we don’t need 3 runways at Heathrow we certainly don’t need HS2. It makes literally no sense.
He’s lied everywhere else, so why not in front of the bulldozers?
No, me, me.
I propose that all tv channels should play this, once every hour…
Why don’t you turn off the TV and go and do something less boring instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQktsKvXcg
ahh…. Why Don’t You, used to love that show, if only life had a rewind button.
I used to hate it but would still like that rewind button.
I need an instant rewind
From memory, I think junior kick start used to be on after WDY. Quality stuff
Ahhhh….Kick Start & Junior Kick Start, I used to love that. Infact, here is a link to a Junior kick start episode. From 1984….
I don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad thing the year……but, back when life was normal & care free, even the children were allowed to take risks.
https://youtu.be/1temGvrMTW4
I’m going to invent a time travel machine.
The BBC just published an article in their porn stream pointing out clearly that lockdowns and tiers achieve absolutely nothing, without actually tacitly admitting that was the point of the article.
Wet pavements do indeed cause rain.
Could you link please? I firmly believe in providing clicks to ANYTHING of value, even if posted by the enemy. Or maybe especially if posted by the enemy.
I assume they mean that of course lockdowns and tiers work, if they are early enough and strict enough and if the sheeples obey without fail…
Like Germany and the Czech Republic….
Managed to get the top comment on one of the Mail stories today
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9058541/Covid-19-restrictions-used-destroy-civil-liberties-world-rights-groups-warn.html
In twenty years time, your children will study modern era history. They will get to study this year, the year that the majority of the civilised world handed their liberty and rights away.
They will come to you and ask, “how could you have been so stupid and gullible?”
I hope you have a better answer than “We were told we were all going to die and we believed it.”
Of course, readers on here will have a better answer undoubtedly.
Anyone who didn’t read the article which LS liked to yesterday
https://www.aier.org/article/tyranny-during-its-reign-is-unrecognized-by-its-victims/
I found it enlightening reading as a layman in the field.
Brilliant!
Great comment, the trouble is they are rewriting history and deleting facts to fit their narrative. If we lose children will be taught a completely different version of history praising the wisdom of our great leaders.
If there are any children-
I’ve a good one to depict that…
The hills are alive, to the sound of wheezing.
99% of the modern slaves that “vote” just want to receive ORDERS on how to “live” their slave lives. That’s why they vote in the 1st place.
And for those it DOES NOT MATTER what is the sub-system running their lives. As long as they have access to the stuff they consider is enough they do not care about anything else.
I think you’ll find at least some people vote because they’ve decided that having governments to do useful things for a society (society being something that people have decided makes life more agreeable) like provide schools and roads is better than the alternatives, and they think/hope that the side they vote for will do a better job. Politicians are imperfect, so are societies. Sometimes some politicians are better than others, sometimes they are all as bad as each other.
Sounds like moron slave talk to me
It’s working wonderfully!
It’s working imperfectly, like everything else in creation. Or perfectly, depending on your point of view.
Some aspects of life are wonderful, some less so.
Speaking personally, up until this year I think this time and place is the best time to be alive, but what do I know?
There’s always room for improvement, and certainly this current crisis has exposed a lot of very bad things, but governments and societies of every stripe, democratic and not, have committed folly so I tend to think it’s human nature that’s at fault here rather than institutions.
We are all degenerate uman animals, so nothing balanced can be generated by us…
Ronald Reagan: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the Government and I’m here to help'”
its a pol pot style year zero
Mark Drakeford is to make it illegal for more than two households to mix over Christmas. Sometimes, three letter acronyms are not enough.
Sod him.
Elaborate ad lib.
En passage Whitty blithely mentions in an average year (I stress average) flu carries off some 27,000 souls. This can be interpreted in s number of ways, nine of them goog:
1, The man’s an idiot and doesn’t realise how this condemns the whole policy of national self harm developed in response to Covid, since we’ve never before batted an eyelid as a nation when 40,000, mostly old or sick people, die of the flu on a bad year.
2. He mentioned it deliberately, because it means we can never be free of the obligation to “Save Lives, Save the NHS” if endemic Covid produces similar fatalities and lockdownism in future will be applied to flu as well as Covid.
But… but… “COVID is not the FLU”!
Well, it isn’t until the day they want it to be… Just waiting to see the TV PROPAGANDA linking the two.
Out of all of them, for me Whitty is the hardest to understand. Johnson just does whatever the nearest person tells him to do, or whatever he thinks will make him popular. Hancock is a psychopath believing he is leading us to glory in our viral battle and fixated on keeping us locked down whatever the cost. And Sunak, of course, has more or less given up.
But Whitty often says sensible things, contextual things, realistic things – but then predicts disaster and recommends outlandishly draconian policies. What is his game?
He is a puppet,but occasionally his scientific training reappears.
He certainly looks like one
It won’t save him
Months ago I was commenting that Whitty was in danger of becoming the David Kelly of Covid. He was saying things that blew the narrative apart. I suppose no one wants to be David Kelly.
If Whitless came to the same sort if end as Kelly, I one would not lament
I wish I was self-employed and could decide not to pay my tax or NI. I really have no idea what we are paying the NHS for any more and we clearly can’t trust our doctors if they are prepared to go along with all of this, and inject us with any poison that comes their way.
But I really do hope the fanatics start arguing for measures against the flu as well, because when the general public realise that this means they are, in effect, indefinite, we may finally see the public health Nazis put in their place.
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https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1338478102083739648?s=20
Haha these puppets follow their orders and then get thrown under the bus.
The very definition of, “useful idiot.”
Clearly the CCP are tying off a loose end to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
HCQ in the USA
https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1339207576681140227
and this:-
https://twitter.com/JohnBasham/status/1339033856696070148
Found this:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/4-year-old-almost-dies-due-to-lung-infection-caused-by-prolonged-mask-wearing-doctor-rants-how-many-children-must-die/
Just as we knew months ago on here.
Nah! MUZZLES SAVES LIVES… it doesn’t kill them!
Another FUN one:
And the coronavirus is approx 10 times smaller than streptococcal bacteria.
Theres the kicker
That’s what happens when a moron inhales its own exhaust gases!
‘Shepherd’ schools.
How very appropriate.
Unfortunately the herd of modern moron slaves DO NOT WEAR THE MASK PROPERLY… If they did, most would already be either in very bad health or dead!
I’d love to see him debate Wancock lol!
Yeah, but if it saves one life!
Cold King Wancock last looked out
On the feast of Stephen
When the masks laid round about
Ruined business beaten
Virtue signalled celebs at night,
Took us all for foo..ols
When the public gain insight
Yes, they were all too..ols
Bojo passes lies by me.
BBC is selling:
yonder peasant, who is he?
He cannot own his dwelling?
Yes he had a good job hence,
Savings was a counting,
Now against the debtors fence
by a furlough mountain.
With apologies to original composer….
its a ‘no’ from me…sorry……
MOST ANNOYING thing on this site…
wpd-bubble-wrapper
Every time I come here I’ve to delete this html node!
Note the import of the recent paper from Claire Craig et al. :
The ‘case’ figures touted by what is laughingly called a government represent >10x actual infections, of which many (of the 10%) will be of low consequence.
What a massive con!
Vargas 99 and Biggles:
This document on the government’s website agrees with the FOI:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf
Some quotes:
And the absolute best and damning quote:
I love the way they actually put that in bold in the document.
They probably should have made the text a bit bigger and underlined it three times…
Interesting little snippet too from the American Medical Association:
“Real-time PCR is not a viral culture and does not allow determination of whether the virus is viable and transmissible…”
probably just another dangerous conspiracy theory eh?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/10.1001/jamainternmed.2020.7570
Thanks AG – keep up the great work
Or from a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that the Government uses and who I picked at random and contacted asking for information about what a test result means.
In the various technical documents they sent me it stated at various points:
I have a Christmas card from Johnson and Symonds, 10 Downing Street. I am trying to work out which database I am on – absolutely no information on the card.
At first I thought it was because the party conned me out of some money over a year ago, (you know, when the country was at risk of being taken over by an authoritarian Marxist, obsessed with the NHS, and planning to spend untold billions that we apparently couldn’t afford).
However I asserted my rights under GDPR to be deleted from all party databases a while ago as the same time as I asked for my money back.
I would make sure you sanitise it. If it doesn’t contain covid, it will certainly contain covid hysteria.
How nice of you to buy yourself a Christmas card from them.
Don’t upset Princess Nut Nut
The above was said on “Scientists in the Spotlight” on Radio 4. I’ve gone back to listen again and to transcribe the words as best I can. I’m sorry I can’t say who the speaker was.
The present farrago now going on is surely based on the absolute certainty that asymptomatic carriers are all highly infectious in all setting and in all conditions for weeks and weeks and weeks.
For the biggest health threat to face the human race in 100 years, they seem to have discocered bugger all squared since the start of the year. SAGE, the WHO, all the other countries and private companies – what have they done? No curiousity, no serious attempt to understand what’s happening and use that information, very little in the way of developing treatments – just a mad rush to develop a vaccine.
The mad rush for the vaccine is political. Once the flu season comes to an end around March, the politicians will need an explanation for the inevitable fall in “Covid” hospital admissions and deaths.
Enter the vaccine as the reason, although they might lockdown after Xmas again, just as a backup option.
And thus the charade continues…
An asymptomatic spreader is for life, not just for Christmas. . . . .MW
Yes. And even tonight Dorris Johnson was banging the drum on not even knowing you have it as you slaughter an entire population of a care home
Noah’s Wife?
Today’s jog through a rural Essex village involved people jumping into the road as I ran past. 9 people simply walking around in a mask. One father with two school kids (off school on scooters) all three in masks. An old lady struggling around outside the local co-op with a face rag on. One hugely obese woman walking around in a face rag for no clear purpose. But clearly not shy of a cancer / heart disease / diabetes causing lifestyle choice. Hope the mask helps.
This is rural Essex ! I left London for a quiet life and find I have moved to a dystopian nightmare. The kids on the scooter will haunt me for a long while, what is the parent thinking ?
Kids came back from school, reported that a Class of 30 had 10 kids in. The other class of 26 children had 16 in…..
This is insane. Merry Christmas.
If I didn’t laugh i’d cry.
What are they achieving with a mask except virtue signalling ?
They believe the propaganda and are scared
to be fair some like my mum and dad just don’t want conflict. They don’t understand the symbolism of compliance that it represents. I am trying to get them a lanyard to see if that will make the difference.
I get it. We left the city for the country and there are plenty of zombies here as well. Most of the people I see outside in masks are older people. Dystopia follows us everywhere these days.
Seems to me its no different to my local area – full of zombies.
I’ve seen three plot holders wearing masks on my allotment site in the last week. It’s my haven of sanity so I’m hoping that the weather gets cold enough to make them stay at home.
after dark and preferably when its very very cold out or raining is the only time i can enjoy my walks now since march and not have my walk ruined by the zombies[ and leaf blowers and back up beeps ]
It is so hard to avoid seeing muzzled zombies and not just outside…they are in many adverts,newspapers and on lots of internet pages. Even if you watch an old programme the adverts in between them have masks!
Nothing to do with Covid, but – as a matter of good manners – would you sneeze on someone or cough on them or get so close to someone you dont know, that they feel your breath on their face? Unlikely, so why do runners think it acceptable to exhale their hot, clammy breath over people as they run past? Seems anti social and bad mannered to me.
17 year old son of a friend of mine researches different characters in history and has a different name for every establishment that requries track and trace.
Found out at work that outpatients and visitors to the hospital I work at will be tested using the lateral flow test in the new year. I presume that it will be all hospitals. A new area for them to mass test in.
Hospital inpatients, the whole of Liverpool, secondary schools and now this. To get the rates up etc etc I’m too down to even say the obvious as you all know in here anyway…
Does the LFT involve a swab up the nose because they aren’t doing that to my daughter again.
Yes it is a swab up nose. I don’t know what they’ll do if people refuse. It isn’t written info yet but from a senior source.
But then we never did have information or advice on what to do if inpatients refused.
It’s a breach of the Nuremberg protocols. Simple.
The lateral flow is coming most places early in the new year……
Shame it don’t work.
Works just fine. I feel normal and the LFT confirms twice a week that I am without Covid.
That’s not the point. They’ll be using it to drive down case numbers as the season ends, claim the lockdown measures worked.
They’ll keep all the best bits though like social control, masks, economic servitude and authoritarianism.
Those are even better than PCR!
https://twitter.com/Anshul__K/status/1337372533386072064
We will leave no stone unturned, no test unused,no cliché underused, we will hunt this deadly virus until mass psychosis is endemic. So there.
Did (do) scousers engage with testing? Their figures (whatever your view on the validity) are pretty low and I always assumed this was down to them not playing ball.
Actually I think this is probably a good thing. The evidence is that the lateral flow tests (LFT) have very few false positives- probably around 0.3% (cf PCR FPR of 0.8-4% in NHS labs, probably much higher in Lighthouse labs). The fact that the false negative rate is around 30% is being ignored. The LFTs were used for the mass testing in Liverpool and resulted in far fewer “cases”. This may reflect a subtle change in direction by the Government so that the vaccine roll-out can be shown to dramatically reduce the incidence of the virus.
I posted about this a few weeks ago in my local paper. We are one of the fifty areas to get the LFTs so am looking forward to the numbers of positive tests falling off a cliff in the next week or so.
Unless, of course, the figures were just made up anyway. How would we ever know?
I thought I’d use Moonpig to send my MP an Xmas card…
.
I’m a celebrant get me out of here?
You should have just stuck with pictures Nadine can’t read.
that’s very kind of him isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1339108413524103168
all eyes on:-
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1338928742878547968
Think I called this a while back. Lawsuits for unnecessary harm caused by vague and unverified testing. Like for example the diesel car suits against VW
this should be good:-
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1338284244313968641
ALL governments in the planet ARE FOLLOWING THE ORDERS emitted by the Bill Gates & Friends private organization: World “Health” Organization.
And since the ORDER is to use PCR no matter what… that’s it.
Bill Gates and Billionaires and the SRF FOUND the perfect Tool to CONTROL the Planet: WHO!
I wonder if The Science will ever admit that its understanding of the transmission of common respiratory viruses is patchy at best, and at worst outright guesswork?
The scoundrels using white coats WILL NEVER admit they are wrong… Their ego and delusion that they are smarter than all the others not wearing a white coat prevents that from happening.
Do you remember those old westerns when the cowboys would camp in hostile country
The cowboys would be sat around the camp fire when the stupidest one would comment that it had gone really quiet
The hero would then grab his rifle and say it goes quiet before the Indians attack, and right on queue the Indians would attack
Sunak is an Indian and he’s gone very quiet
Just saying
Beware the ides of March
apparently ‘Diversity built Britain’?…well there you go………hes another Globalist wanker as far as I am concerned
Did it fuck.
The British empire was built by the millions of who left Britain, not some mythical influx of diversity.
There was very little immigration into Britain until the 50s, by which point we were a bankrupt nation and a spent force.
Time to turn the heat up on this chump. How much have we borrowed compared to other countries during this farce?
I don’t think they are worried by the huge debt being built up since the World Economic Forum promised their core funders would wipe out all debts for those who signed up to The Great Reset plan. And according to this, our government has indeed signed up: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution?fbclid=IwAR0g0J0IIkxOeWy5wbjYxC1yjB6pWiqArB6o7zoYrxC7F6C1hGveoWypza0
See my post on here put up about 8pm tonight on this topic.
Yes, Mrs DocRC and I were wondering earlier what had happened to Sunak. I hope he is getting ready to attack as he seems about the only half-sensible member of the cabinet!
erm.. no.
No he isn’t. He’s the one that us bankrolling this bullshit. No bankroll, no bullshit.
He is minding his hedge fund
Went for a walk with a local friend who had gone earlier to a cafe for a coffee. There were two young women there, probably about 18, he reckoned, and he overheard their conversation: “so-and-so is getting the vaccine”; response from other: “oh that’s really cool!”
Yes, -80 decC
Just given a chocolate Santa to a 13year old piano pupil, who squeaked with delight and gave me a hug.
First one from anyone all year who is not my husband. It was lovely; to hell with the rules!
Yes – it’s only sociopaths and psychopaths who advocate the alternative.
Just chatting to the son who is having a laugh at a facebook post he’s beens ent.
I don’t have facebook so cannot confirm it but if anyone here does then have a look.
Apparently at the London anti-lockdown rally on the 14th he says 10 policemen, who were on their days off and joined in the protest, were arrested as part of the 250 total arrested.
Also one question – if the Pfizer vaccine must be diluted with saline prior to use and it will be a milky off-white colour (https://dokumentarac.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf) when is this done for the TV shots?
I know it must be done after it has been defrosted and before you get jabbed but as every TV news broadcast shows the original glass vial it is supplied in being used and the mixture, which is clear, being put into the syringe and injected straight into a victim’s arm I’m just wondering what is being missed out or are they all s taged for the cameras?
Staged for the camera, why would a matron undertake the administration of a vaccination?
A matron doesn’t have the skills from my experience useless pointless position.
It is supposed to be diluted before use anyway!
The 10 police joining the anti lockdown rally is very encouraging. And gawd knows we need the positives wherever we can find them.
Just checked in, so apologies if this has already been posted:
Health Care Worker Had Serious Allergic Reaction After Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine – The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Another one – in the US – and no history of allergic reactions. This one is in hospital for a second day. Not good!
I might be wrong but civil servants would never survive in the private sector, its why the scientists, and the government are a worry
I’ve met plenty in the private sector who don’t deserve to survive, but are thriving
Have the private sector done much to resist the madness? Not much, IMO
Good point, but the civil servants are running this show, although yes the private sector have given in without a fight
They are following orders from the cabinet, who are the most guilty along with SAGE, the media and MPs. Senior civil servants ought to have pushed back. The more junior ones just want to keep their jobs I guess.
It’s nothing to do with that divisiveness – that’s just playing into the hands of the perpetrators.
What a surprise – trying to put a complaint into the Information Commisionner’s Office about the BBC and when I hit the submit button all I get is “Bad Gtaeway”.
Happens on 3 different browsers so not my computer.
Every little victory helps.
Cohens is a chain of Chemists in the north of England. I was asked politely and gently (to the assistant’s credit) if I had a mask on entry in my Otley branch last week. Just as politely I explained that it wasn’t her place to challenge my mask less face. She accepted this with good grace. Nevertheless, I wrote to head office and explained the situation and sent a copy of the Covid regs-20. I received a fulsome apology back within hours.
And an added bonus came my way today in another E-mail from Cohens whereby they thank me for bringing the regs to their attention and that they will now put this into effect in their stores.
Keep plugging away…never give up…keep up the fight wherever we can.
Here’s the E-mail:
Dear Mr Hopkins,
Thank you for the information you have provided and we will ensure that the correct process is followed in future with regards to members of the public not wearing a mask.
Regards
Chelsea
Long may this be the case before the jobsworths, little Hitlers and sick note/hypochondriacs take over.
“Thanksgiving” is a terrible warning! It led to a spike in cases!
Well, using https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries I’ve looked at two states; Florida and Pennsylvania to see the size of these spikes.
The shape of the graph is pretty much the same for each state. There’s no obvious ‘spike’ in the two graphs but a dip in each one that lasts two or three days and then it goes on climbing the way it did before.
In Pennsylvania’s case the dip commences on the 28th, in the case of Florida on the 26th. Thankgiving was on the 26th. Thanksgiving? Holidays? Perhaps the dips are caused by late reporting?
Had been scrupulously avoiding BBC news but just had the 6 pm tv on. Saddened and Angry – how do people believe such blatant government propaganda? Nobody who has ever lived in a dictatorship ever would fail to see through this bullshit
No dissenting voices just some ministers and scientific sadists bleating on about how we will all die of Covid unless we lock down forever, No mention of the genuine harm being done to society or peoples lives. I am sure that the biologists enjoyed experimenting on animals in vivisection class and are now happy to experiment on humans
– just switched off and will avoid as much as I can in the future for my sanity
What happened to the freedom loving country that gave me a home as a child??
A part of me hopes that the lockdown supporters see some real economic and social pain, unfortunately that would also involve hurting the innocent – I see a bumper sticker coming – “don’t blame me I was a Lockdown Sceptic”
On a positive note listening to Lord Gumption on Talk radio talking about how the only form of lockdown that could possibly work would be to seal us all hermetically for 3 months – just be careful that moron in 10 downing street might just take him up on the offer
“Nobody who has ever lived in a dictatorship ever would fail to see through this bullshit”
… and that’s the point. Those who have lived through such dictatorship have usually had time to get to know the beast, to accommodate, and to find a subversive alternative reality.
It still wouldn’t work. I acquired a cold in late May after not mixing with anyone, not even entering a shop, for four weeks.
There seems to be a weird well of people (at least around me) that 1) aren’t that afraid of the virus and realise it’s being overhyped……however
2) can’t believe the government would/could lie therefore/or
3) don’t want to break the ‘law’.
Only time – ie the constant lies and goal shifting of the government/propaganda against what they can actually see happening – will shift them to catch up with us. Let’s hope that time isn’t too late.
I have said this before and my FS’s have said the same.
If mixing, mingling, whatever at Christmas or any other time is so dangerous, WHY haven’t there been massive outbreaks among retail workers?
My younger son works in an high street chain of shops and after months of dealing with the general public, he and his colleagues plus 100’s of thousands of retail workers all over the country have hardly been “wiped out”.
We rest our case.
Look at the data here regards police fatalities
Police officers around the world have died from Covid-19 – Full Fact
Ironically, the sites fact checking is clearly designed to maintain the COVID fear porn but in doing so highlights that COVID isn’t all that dangerous. 50 officers in the whole of the USA is not a lot.
And the tests are dodgy, so we don’t even know if it’s Covid, flu, pneumonia, or with a comorbity
There is an FoI response on the MPS website that gives 0 as the number for the Metropolitan Police.
And this is a profession where there is a lot of close contact with the public – especially when roughing up protesters.
I’ve noticed that when they are sitting in their vans they are mostly unmasked – almost as if they don’t themselves believe there is any danger.
But it’s the masks that save them when they are mixing with the great unwashed. Particularly when the coppers (and it’s most of them) are hygienically fiddling with their masks with their oh-so-clean fingers.
Quite. It’s all emotional blackmail.
Also the fact that many front line & emergency services – definitely the Police, are actively in the midst of recruitment drives, tells you something too. Pretty sure they would not be out & about quite so much if this really were the bubonic plague!
I don’t think I have ever felt so much anger and disgust as I am feeling right now (which is saying something after this year.) My mum has just called in tears to say that she cant come to see us at Christmas – she has been terrified by the constant fear propaganda spread by these vicious Nazis.
I have from the beginning been fighting a losing battle by providing her with the real information and it was starting to break through with 2 visits to restaurants in the last month that she would never have done before and she was so looking forward to having a normal Christmas. But now with this latest guilt trip (yes you can have Christmas but you are very selfish if you do) she has literally been broken.
I am determined these bastards will pay for what they have done to our country – it is literally the only thing that is keeping me going and I for one will never ever give up.
She can choose fear or life
That’s what it boils down to. Living and feeling alive comes with risks. Getting in a car is a risk. Having a glass of wine is a risk
What is the point of being physically healthy if we can’t live our lives?
To actually *live* or to be merely alive is the choice.
Yes, in truth the car ride is far riskier than dying from Covid. People have completely lost the ability to assess risk, along with any sense of what makes life worth living.
Have a look at my post of 8pm this evening Gman. It looks like The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset is the real agenda here – Covid-19 was just a cover plandemic to buy governments time to get the required technology as advanced as it possibly could, meanwhile finding a way to control the population and accustom them to ‘the new normal’. Like Canada, the UK government has finally come out of the closet and admitted publicly on its website that it has signed up to the WEF’s grand plan as described by Sebastian Friebel in 19th November edition of the LS newsletter. I have provided a couple of links for members to see for themselves.
Its all over N Korea that Chris Whitty is a misery and party pooper
All the numbers of ‘cases’, hospitalisations and deaths propagated by the government are attributed to a positive PCR test result. Until we have genuine validation of this method, how can anyone believe the figures?
Look at the recent paper by Claire Craig and colleagues (cited here). It’s but one sample, but rings true.
The oft-quoted ‘cases’ represent about an 10-12x exaggeration of actual infection, of which very little will be consequential illness.
Precisely. I definitely think there is an inverse proportion to the increase in the number of tests to the quality and reliability of them
‘Until we have genuine validation of this method’
How can you validate a test that is based on a virus that has not as yet been isolated?
The ‘virus’ is a scam, the test is a sham, and the vaccine is a 12 billion pound dividend to the pharmaceutical companies..
I met up with a customer today, a young guy of about 35 who was a musician, he did gigs all over everywhere in a show band. Not since March. He just told me his girlfriend of 4 years who he been seeing properly for about the last 6 months, (she lives in another town fairly far away) has just killed herself, leaving her 11 year old.
So that’s another one. my list is getting quite long.
I literally have met more random people who have told me of somebody they know killing themselves than people who have died of the covids. All of them young.
So horrible.
Never forgive, and never forget.
Yeah, in all future conversation even if this is behind us at some point i’ll be asking people what their view was on lockdown before sharing mine. Will let me differentiate from the collaborators and the undecated whom I will distance myself from.
Brexit/ Remain I couldn’t care less what side you voted.
Yes/ No I couldn’t care less which side you voted.
This is completely different I do care and I do discriminate.
It is incredible to me how completely blind people are to the real suffering caused by these extreme and brutal policies. It is heartbreaking to hear such stories.
… and it doesn’t have to get to that level of consequence to be horrendous.
No – its not a forgivable ‘mistake’.
It is sickening and very distressing. What’s worth doing is try to convince people that staying and fighting is a better option than offing yourself. In the meantime, condolences.
What a terrible terrible tragedy. I do hope her family will look after her son.
Don’t expect to hear Hancock etc to start reverentially listing these statistics amongst the “covid” roll call of honour.
Sadly until the bulk of people begin to feel real economic pain and run out of money these individual tragedies aren’t going to have much wider impact.
Christmas market earlier today -in Dubai (German)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obYtJD7Eowc
Dubai? How ironic!
“We shall go on to the end,” Hancock said. “We shall find it at home and in France, we shall find it in the seas and oceans, we shall find it with growing insanity and growing weakness in the air, we shall deplete our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall find it on the beaches, we shall find it in the hospitals, we shall find it in the fields and in the streets, we shall find it in the hills; we shall never grow up.”
Yes very good .
It must be patently obvious to all by now that this has absolutely nothing to do with health.
It is all about the AI future and blanket govt/authorities oversight of every facet of existence., oh and of course if we as individuals will be privileged enough to be allowed to survive to participate in the new society.
I think this explains the real reason behind this Covid-19 plandemic:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution?fbclid=IwAR0g0J0IIkxOeWy5wbjYxC1yjB6pWiqArB6o7zoYrxC7F6C1hGveoWypza0
We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum to shape the global governance of technological innovation.
But we can go further. The Business Secretary has established a Ministerial Working Group on Future Regulation to drive reform across government to put us at the forefront of the industries of the future. The Prime Minister’s Council for Science and Technology has provided recommendations on how to enhance the regulatory oversight of technological innovation. We have identified 6 challenges we need to address:
· we need to be on the front foot in reforming regulation in response to technological innovation
· we need to ensure that our regulatory system is sufficiently flexible and outcomes-focused to enable innovation to thrive
· we need to enable greater experimentation, testing and trialling of innovations under regulatory supervision
This is obviously why so many new and alarming pieces of legislation were passed without parliamentary scrutiny earlier this summer, using the Covid-19 issue as a means to get them introduced into law without any awkward questions being asked.
This is truly terrifying. Proves beyond doubt this is definitely not a conspiracy theory. Have a look at Sebastian Friebel’s ‘The Future Shape of Things’ which featured in the LS newsletter on 19th November.
I’ve been saying since before this website started that this isn’t a conspiracy it’s an agenda.
The orchestrators don’t try to hide it but it seems so outlandish to most people they simply cannot comprehend the scale of the envisioned changes.
To anyone who’s been delving into these global power-plays for years and not taking what we are told at face value this has been long foretold. If one is only just waking up to these seismic realities it can be totally disorienting .
The scope is huge , the preparations have been long and painstaking, the only weak point is the inherent unpredictability of humanity which is the only thing that will drive this agenda into the sand . If that doesn’t happen it will be too late .
Indeed, some of us have been watching and commenting elsewhere for many years, all too true I’m afraid.
I had previously dismissed al the stuff about the WEF and Great Reset until I read Sebastian Friebel’s paper through LS, and then an alarming report I accidentally found on our government’s website last autumn which included some pretty startling and dramatic changes actually made sense. The report was commissioned by our government following their attendance at a WEF annual conference, which I knew nothing about at the time. It was extremely long and detailed so I couldn’t read it all in one sitting and saved the link. When Friebel’s paper prompted me to re-visit the official UK report the link simply took me to a page which said ‘No longer available’ or words to that effect. It was then that I no longer thought it was a conspiracy theory after all. I have heard senior politicians abroad pointing out it is not a conspiracy theory too but warning people the WEF and Great Reset have been carefully constructed and engineered plans for some years now, but the architects, supporters and funders were struggling to find ways of bringing them into being – until the Covid-19 pandemic provided the perfect opportunity. Whether the virus was engineered for this purpose or was simply a natural event that the WEF too advantage of, I assume we will never know.
One has to sympathise with anyone who would rather cling to what remains of their belief in benign govt than accept that govts are now demonstrably benighted in numerous countries. To do this means to abandon the comfort blanket under which most of us, myself included, have slumbered innocently since childhood. It took me many years and some direct personal experience with govt agencies to see that fascism, exactly as Benito Mussolini defined it and with its attendant fanatical support ideologies, is now writ large upon our lives.
Copied this from another website comment:
enough is enough defend Your rights or lose them Johnson Hancock Witty etc must go now https://www.saveourrights.uk
Hey, Welshies, when you woke up this morning, did you think it was impossible to hate Dungford more than you did already?
Well, you were wrong.
I was wrong.
I could strangle him with my own hands.
I could.
The man is clearly in full messianic delusions mode. He’s bouncing Wales in and out of lockdowns like a yoyo without any rationale, analysis of proper data or any notion of responsible stewardship about the economy, loss of jobs, destruction of society. He should be on prison with his son for serious violation of the Welsh Nation and it’s people.
I shall once again become a confirmed lawbreaker.
And I shan’t bloody care.
Dungford’s fellow-sadist Gething was saying a couple of days ago that if the Welsh gov didn’t honour its promises about a mitigation of hell over Christmas, it would lose the country’s trust. As if it had it to start with.
Obey this, you Welsh business cowards, and you’re done for.
Sooo. It appears comments on here are being censored and deleted. So much for free speech eh.
Example?
What comments?
I have never encountered any censorship here, or heard of it happening
There been a few occasions where people have thought their comments haven’t been approved, but others have been able to see them.
evidence. examples?
I have not seen any comments deleted. Do you have examples?
Dear Santa. Please can Wales have independence for Christmas? It’s not that the assembly has been good or anything, but I’d like to see drakeford playing politics without England to bale him out and pay for it all. Thanks.
Ps. Same for Scotland too if you can.
God Almighty, no. No consideration of common sense, including economic common sense, would ever stop this lunatic.The only thing that will stop him is sudden death.
Go on then, as it’s Christmas!
You sod off. I have no desire to move back to England.
Sturgeon and Drakeford both have altars to Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and worship at them daily
Dungford worships at the shrine of Stalin.Dungford is Stalin with all the niceness taken out.
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You look good with that black cock inside you plenty of practice and no lube right?
No really he does such a cheeky smile.
Should have read the reply’s before clicking!
FFS Ewan! I come here to escape politicians’ sleaze
Again – this pseudo-crisis has allowed the sociopaths and psychopaths to become elevated to a significance that would have been countered in normal circumstances.
P.S. I am quite serious about classifying people like Whitty and Vallance as having serious socio/psychological adjustment illness. It’s not difficult to diagnose. (Johnson’s pathology was already known about)
That was covered very eloquently in the psychologist’s letter yesterday. I hope lots of professionals hear about it and sign.
A friend sent me this:
https://www.facebook.com/unlockedunitedkingdom/videos/179279657247591/
Whitty is a very weird, socially primitive person.
For fuck’s sake! The TV news is unbelievably unbelievable now, isn’t it?
The sombre talking heads in separate rooms – possibly separate continents. The soul crushing monotone murmuring.
“The virus has now spiralled away out of control at a rate that is even more devastatingly devastating than any devastation that the devastated have ever devastated in the entire history of interplanetary existence. And it is vital for the continuance of the pampered arses of our desperate parasitical slime lords to badger every single one of you lot into ever deepening depths of utter despairing boredom with this grilling guffery.
So remember that you can only take granny to the toilet on 2.3 occasions every Tuesday up until Christmas, no breathing both in and out in the same room unless it’s raining in which case you can freely do so but only if you sing a selection of Abba songs in B flat at ultra-fast speed. Don’t serve meat with vegetables unless you have a Teletubbies DVD on and whatever you do, don’t do it!
Meanwhile we have some uplifting news. Friends of the Gerbil have just won a court case to save the brussel sprout from thermo nuclear warming just in time for all pandas to be put to bed nicely.”
a devastating critique
And Sky News’ Kay Burley broke lockdown rules and had a wild party. Now she’s fled to Africa after being suspended
I think they seek out people with sepulchral voices. I don’t know how they convince anyone of anything, to be honest. It’s depressing to think that many people are so gullible.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6291485/covid-outbreaks-restauarants-gastro-pubs-cafes-reopening/
No outbreaks of COVID in Irish pubs and restaurants since they were allowed reopen.
The ban on wet pubs reopening is unjustifiable.
Comments are being removed I assume the site is compromised Mr Duffy?
Something odd is going on. If I reload the page, comments are appearing/disappearing/reappearing more or less at random
Not to mention links to gay porn
Yes, very odd.
What comments? any details?
Check Mr Duffys prior link.
Further to the article by Sebastian Friebel ‘the Future Shape of Things’ that featured in LS newsletter of19 Nov, I have been looking into the World Economic Forum and its Great Reset plan and thought it explained a lot of why governments, including ours, were ignoring so many eminent, respected and published scientific and medical experts challenges and supporting evidence, to continue the irrational draconian restrictions and also their continued use of PCR tests for widespread community testing to justify sustaining the panic agenda. Our government has just confirmed it has entered into a partnership with the World Economic Forum, which confirms Boris Johnson’s endorsement of The Great Reset in a recent TV interview, where he was also wearing a WEF lapel badge. If you haven’t read Friebel’s document, do so – it is on the LS website. Then have a look at these 2 links, one from our government’s website on ‘The Fourth Revolution’ and the second a feature on the World Economic Forum’s own website. Have we been asked to sign up and endorse this? I certainly haven’t. Definitely not a conspiracy theory is it?
Truly terrifying.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution?fbclid=IwAR0g0J0IIkxOeWy5wbjYxC1yjB6pWiqArB6o7zoYrxC7F6C1hGveoWypza0
UK government confirms it has formed a partnership with the WEF:
We are turning things round. The Financial Conduct Authority’s regulatory sandbox has kick-started a wave of regulator-led initiatives to support new products and services to come to market and been widely emulated across the globe. Our Regulators’ Pioneer Fund is accelerating the change, with £10 million invested in 15 projects to support technologies from autonomous shipping to virtual lawyers. We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum to shape the global governance of technological innovation.
But we can go further. The Business Secretary has established a Ministerial Working Group on Future Regulation to drive reform across government to put us at the forefront of the industries of the future. The Prime Minister’s Council for Science and Technology has provided recommendations on how to enhance the regulatory oversight of technological innovation. We have identified 6 challenges we need to address:
· we need to be on the front foot in reforming regulation in response to technological innovation
· we need to ensure that our regulatory system is sufficiently flexible and outcomes-focused to enable innovation to thrive
· we need to enable greater experimentation, testing and trialling of innovations under regulatory supervision
This is obviously why so many new and alarming pieces of legislation were passed without parliamentary scrutiny earlier this summer, using the Covid-19 issue as a means to get them introduced into law without any awkward questions being asked.
And, below is a link to the WEF’s own website which shows what the Great Reset plan looks towards achieving – which amounts to complete and total slavery. Their posters, booklet and leaflets explain that as part of ‘The Great Reset’ plan individuals will own nothing. Cash will be abolished. To achieve this, according to the World Freedom Alliance the WEF leaders and funders want us all to have microchip implants. [NB. The Gates Foundation apparently funded the technology for this some time ago, which has a registered patent; it was also apparently proposed at the WEF October 2019 conference that one way of achieving it was through mass vaccination, hence in November 2019 Matt Hancock allegedly sought advice from the government’s legal team whether mass vaccinations for everyone could be made mandatory.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/china-ai-technology-city?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=China&utm_content=11/12/2020+00:00&fbclid=IwAR0bxJgLUvmbAQEGLlQ1zGm1dvxblJAQknMZbgpl4UAnRvtnrht7hBBu17I
Photo of Klaus Schwab, Head of the WEF below. Where is 007 when you need him?
Yes, an unintentionally apt final sentence. Schwab a Bond villain? I think not.
An eccentric old man? I think that better sums him up.
Many of the ideas on the reset video strike me as fanciful in the extreme. The idea that people are going to somehow give up ownership of their houses and their possessions is absurd. ABSURD.
Equally absurd is the idea that we will all be jetting off to Mars any minute. It’s not going to happen.
I am dismayed that so many are buying into this “great reset” idea. It’s hard enough trying to convince the zealots that the government is lying without having to deal with this bollocks.
How can I reason with a zealot? If they show them this they’ll laugh and accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist!
Fine. I get you. You keep pushing this, but you’ve no hard evidence that he (or for that matter Gates) is behind it.
No wonder that we are doing so badly when so many of us are pushing this!
Are some of you “controlled opposition”? Are some of you deliberately pushing this to discredit lockdown sceptics?
Well said John P !!
Some of the WEF is far out but they recently signed an accord with the UN.Agenda 21/30.
This is fact and you can read what our government have signed us up for.Fanciful,maybe but all the cycle lanes,banning of petrol/diesel cars
Windmills start to make sense as they press on for our zero carbon future.This is enshrined in law by Theresa May and must be achieved by 2040
Think the date was brought forward to 2030 from what I have heard and read?
Definitely not part of a “controlled opposition”! The WEF plans and the involvement of Gates in them are not exactly secrets and Schwab is very powerful – he has behind him and his organisation – the WEF huge resources from the Gates and Rockefeller Foundations, the IMF, J.P. Morgan, the big tech and pharma giants, United Nations members etc. It has been on the news in numerous countries. Boris Johnson was wearing a WEF lapel badge and mentioned his support for The Great Reset in a recent TV interview. And if you read Friebel’s report from the LS newsletter and read through the articles to which I provided the links, one of which is our own government’s website, it is hardly absurd – the technology is already well advanced to implement quite a lot of the plans. People will not have a choice about giving up their houses and possessions – if they do not comply with a whole set of new rules and regulations they will not be able to have access to the things they need. These will only be accessible either through ID cards or so called Health passes; there will be no cash, and they will not be able to access bank accounts etc because the technology can freeze them out. Bill Gates himself has spoken of the plans and the need for them on numerous occasions – and is not hiding the fact that his Foundation is funding a lot of the technological developments, as well as pharmaceutical interventions.
You left out George Soros…. and the Rothschilds
With the greatest of respect, the views that you express above are both naive and insulting; there is hard evidence aplenty for anyone paying attention and unwilling to be misled. Just consider the number of agendas that a few years ago were dismissed as ‘conspiracy theory’ yet are now, uncomfortably, part of everyday life. Be that as it may, I genuinely hope that your beliefs withstand the test of time and bring you solace. Are you working for the Cabinet Office by any chance?
“Just consider the number of agendas that a few years ago were dismissed as ‘conspiracy theory’ yet are now, uncomfortably, part of everyday life”
such as?
jesus get a brain cell will you
Well then, give me some examples to help educate me
The Cabinet Office based Behavioural Insights Team, formed under Cameron, has boasted quite openly for many years about its ability to manipulate public perception through the use of applied behavioural psychology. They were tasked in March, along with the SAGE support group, with increasing ‘the level of personal threat’ in the population. Including the various other units within the CO devoted to mind bending of one sort or another there are now in the region of 17,000 spooks, sorry civil servants, working on this. Does that help?
‘The Nudge Unit’ as it was known at its inception, was the brainchild of Steve Hilton (now a Fox News face and vociferous Trump & anti lockdown supporter) & subsequently enthusiastically promoted by Dominic Cummings – well let’s not go there…
I would wager that its previous efforts to ‘encourage’ (scare & intimidate) people off benefits, for example, and many other Gov’t objectives would be regarded as ‘good’ Government by many here.
Governments have always had this kind of operation, so why the pearl-clutching over its existence now?
An easy exculpation, no doubt made in the name of pragmatism. Governments have most certainly not had the ability in the past to use applied behavioural psychology through mass information technology and the MSM to influence the public on anything like this scale and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise; on this scale it is comparatively new and infinitely sinister as we have all now witnessed every day of our lives during the last months. As for clutching at pearls, you’ll have to string someone else up with that one.
How many of his mates are going to buy up the pubs that have gone out of business for a snip. Vultures
It was a satisfyingly dreary day – a day to dampen the last remaining hope of even a mediocre festive season. David Northgreen of Trots Inc. surveyed with pleasure the haunted faces around and reflected on how potent his polystyrene revolutionary necrophiliac campaign had been in crushing the last vestige of critical thought from his pince nez wearing internet afficionados.
The phone rang causing him to spill his chardonnay. Blinking back the momentary irritation he yanked up the receiver. It was his anonymous paymaster. The voice was angry.
“What the fuck have you been doing?”
David was astonished. “What are you talking about? The great rebel forces are now baying for the revolution over the mass graves of the capitalist supporting covid corpses!”
“I’m not talking about that!” screamed the tinny voice. “They may be jacking off over the zombie show but they’re refusing the vax!”
David blinked. He hadn’t expected his flock to display even a glimmer of insight into the operation. “Well I …” He struggled to get his thoughts together.
“There’s only one solution” came back the insectile whine, “You will have to swallow the vax!”
David broke into a sweat. “Oh for the love of God!”
“Oh don’t start that! You’re not even supposed to believe in the cloud man! Look! Don’t worry! We have no intention of killing you off with that rat poison. You’re far too valuable to us. The Left have always been a pain in the arse – though admittedly not so troublesome since we programmed them to guffaw at the word ‘conspiracy’. We sure got them on board with Operation Turban!”
David chuckled as the voice continued,
“But now as you well know we are going for the big one: Operation Headless. Selling them the corpse count as the revolution was brilliant but they’re not stupid enough to swallow the de-icer just yet. So here’s what we’ll do. You can be a covid case and …”
“But” David interrupted, “surely there’s no such thing as….”
“Well of course not!” the voice snapped. “What we do is get the makeup team from Walking Dead to give you a roughing up, have you spaghettied up to an ICU and then plug a fake syringe in and perhaps with a bit of CGI we can morph you into ….oh I dunno, a young Springsteen in mid concert perhaps.”
“Sounds good” said Dave.
“But you have to keep up your end as well with the figures. What was that your little internet rag said yesterday? Four billion dead in the first nanosecond. Come on man! We need far more and far faster! Think you can do that?”
“Yes sir! Emm ….Will you keep your promise?”
“What? A private residence for yourself consisting of, say, the whole of Canada? No problem! It’s not like there’s going to be anyone else there afterwards!”
Both sniggered.
USA TODAY: The best COVID-19 vaccine sales pitch is not ‘protect others.’ It’s ‘save yourself!’.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-forget-altruism-patriotism-save-yourself-column/3902954001/
I think I’ll just trust in a few million years of human immune system evolution thanks.
Yes, my immune system works just fine, thank you. I don’t need “saving”.
Or is it because none of the vaccines stop the spread?
They’re even trying that tactic with masks now. The “evolving research” now suggests that masks do, indeed, protect the wearer. Personally, I always thought the mask zealots were wearing them to protect themselves. How else do you explain wearing them alone outdoors and in the car?
Serbia: Hundreds joined Orthodox procession against COVID measures in Belgrade
Why did the churches around the world allow their doors to be closed? They have never closed before, they took in the sick and the needy in the past, they didn’t shut them out. All congregations stopped when people needed them most. Why?
That’s a question I’ve pondered myself. Our hospitals used to be part of the monasteries!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZk2-fRGKTo
The big big problem that is not visible is that ALL the major institutions public and private have been deliberately completely compromised over a long and meticulously planned process. It’s part of the undermining of society by illusion, the majority is led to believe it’s beliefs are in fact no longer acceptable.
The churches are completely compromised.
Yes, indeed. I know I’ve said it many times before – but if I were a committed clergyman/woman/priest/whatever – I’d have gone to my church EVERY DAY and I’d have stayed there in case any one person wanted to call in for the peace of our church, or to speak to me. And if I couldn’t have gone in to the church, then I’d have set up my table in the porch, and been there – for even one person.
Failing that, I’d have stood beneath the preaching cross and spoken to my parishioners as they passed by. But what do they do? (Ours anyway.) They put a notice on the board, or on the website, asking people to join them ‘on line’. How unforgivable this neglectful attitude has been.
What is WRONG with these people?
They are supposed to be servants of their congregation. Not just a self appointed community leader, which can’t move for these days, but devoted by way of a vocation.
Easy for me to say I suppose I will say. They have been called to stand for what the believe in and they have failed miserably. I haven’t been asked to lay it all on the line in a similar way just yet
Passed one of our retired but still active clergy in the street last week; in a mask, out of doors. Don’t know how I recognised him but judging by his demeanor- slightly hunched and cowed- I felt he was hoping to slink past me unnoticed. I greeted him but perhaps my expression betrayed bewilderment.
I can’t bear the idea of returning to a building full (hah! – spread out like the H o C more like) of masked minions. I went every week for 40+ years, many of those as organist, but not now. I feel like the butler-Stevens -in The Remains of the Day; having given a lifetime’s loyalty and allegiance to something/someone who turned out to be a bit crap.
Churchians are merely tools of the Anti-Christ?
That’s what they have become.
‘All congregations stopped when the people needed them most.’
Why? Because the churches are full of cowards who have forsaken God.
A worse betrayal than Judas’. Judas believed.
Possibly already picked up but worth highlighting the latest attempt by Drakeford at number manipulation on the back of today’s announcenent that Wales goes back into Lockdown on the 28th on the back of following the crystal ball of science where he foresees great advances of cases in our future.
Massive backlog of Covid results means 11,000 cases need to be added
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-infection-rates-cases-deaths-19467955#ICID=Android_WalesOnlineNewsApp_AppShare
Am I being cynical or is it just a coincidence that the day that all but one NHS area reports 7 day drop in positive cases (Gwynedd rise from 51 to 52!) He announces that 11,000 cases haven’t been included because of routine maintenance.?
I’ll treat the next lockdown in Wales with exactly the same contempt as the last. I’ll ignore it…
Like the majority of us. The son of a good friend celebrates his 18th birthday just after the New.Year. I’ve offered to drive him and a couple of mates to an English pub to enjoy his first legal pint. I’ll even stump up for their obligatory meals. Drakeford isn’t going to ruin his big day if I have my way.
How convenient. Lies, damn lies and covid stats.
But they’re not ”cases” anyway.
Older but still thoroughly sensible argument against the more extreme anti-vaxxer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6555743/Nurse-argues-anti-vaxxers-dont-want-immunize-kids-receive-medications.html
Fine, but I don’t have to have this jab. I’m not anti-vax. And I don’t care if it’s safe.
I still don’t want it. My body. My choice. Not yours. Not the governments. My choice.
I agree that mandating is not the way to go. I put this up to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the more extreme views on vaccines.
Drugs go through WAY more testing than vaccines and are actually tested against an inert placebo, unlike vaccines. Drug companies are not indemnified against lawsuits with respect to medicines, but are against vaccines. Apples and oranges.
Same old, same old. Yawn
Yes the truth can be boring. I never really enjoyed chemistry lessons.
You are an extreme pro vaxxer, not caring about any scientifically proven phenomena such as virus interference, vaccine damage, allergic reactions to vaccines and the huge rise in obesity and illness since vaccination frequency rose dramatically at the turn of the century. You care not a jot if children today are fat, depressed, autistic, asthmatic or allergic. As a vaccine fanatic you are just happy they have been vaccinated
In your view, do vaccines in general, have any benefit on a macro population level?
How is it thouroughly sensible? It is complete garbage she clearly has a very low intellect.
“‘I think that people who don’t want to vaccinate should have the freedom to do so. If they think that “big pharma” is just trying to turn a profit or poison us all…they should be allowed to believe that,’ Meggy wrote.
‘But the caveat to that is this: Then they should NOT be allowed go to the doctor or the hospital when they get sick, looking for treatment.’ ”
Why is that the caveat? Does that not negate her initial point as I basically wouldn’t have a choice as I need access to the NHS.
“Meggy goes on to write that ‘Big Pharma’ – a colloquial term for the global pharmaceutical industry – is also responsible for a number of other medications and treatments including antibiotics, steroids, EpiPens, inhalers and chemotherapy.
‘Big pharma makes those antibiotics we are going to pump you full of when you are about to die from sepsis,’ she wrote.
‘The steroids and epi [sic] we might give you to save your life from your anaphylaxis? Yep, big pharma is behind that too.
‘Having a heart attack? Better break out your essential oils and get your affairs in order, because the only thing we have to offer you is medicine and procedures brought to you by the very same people who are responsible for those vaccines you insist are evil.’
She ends the post by acknowledging that vaccines, like everything, come with risks, but have been proven to be effective. ”
BIG pharma has protected against other illnesses? So what? So if a company cures any illness any further medication is without scrutiny?
“‘We advocate for vaccinating your children and yourself because science has PROVEN its the most effective method of controlling the spread of disease and giving you and everyone around you the best chance of NOT DYING from something preventable.’ “
Again vaccines protect the vulnerable. Once they have been vaccinated what is the issue?
I agree, how in the hell does not trusting a vaccine mean that you should be held to be against any other drugs also. Its a false dichotomy, a straw man argument. Trying to push everyone into the anti vax box.
The question is do you want to take vaccine? Possible answers are Yes/No.
Exactly! I’m happy to swap my ‘cure/‘vaccine’ for a kilo of Colombian toot and a weapon to smite all politicians
“the most effective method of controlling the spread of disease”. That’s interesting.. presumably the United Nations are wrong, and spreading ‘conspiracy theories?’
https://theduran.com/un-forced-to-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-is-causing-polio-outbreak-in-africa-21st-century-wire/
Smokers, drinkers and obese people shouldn’t be allowed treatment either based on that logic. Everyone knows if you lead an unhealthy lifestyle you are prone to life-shortening illness and disease, thereby clogging up the medical system. That’s a very slippery slope she’s venturing down! The medications she refers to have undergone MUCH more testing than any vaccine — particularly these new Frankenvaccines — are tested against an inert placebo (unlike vaccines), and the pharma companies are not indemnified against lawsuits as they are with vaccines.
And let’s face it, a significant number of nurses in the UK are morbidly obese and I guarantee it’s not their genes. I’m amazed that the first vaccine guinea pig, Margaret Keenan, managed to get through the (always embarrassing) guard of honour formed by nurses, they were so fat.
It’s been rushed, it’s experimental, it’s indemnified, it’s predicted to cause unpleasant side effects, I don’t need it. The second word is off
Indemnified by us. As if we’ve not wasted enough money we are liable for any consequences of the snake oil.
TROLL ALERT
I’m a huge Barbra ‘S’ fan!
Thanks for the nosh
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Just had a short and rather curt e-mail from a favorite uncle after venturing to confess to being a lockdown sceptic.
We still seem to be on terms, but rather than exhorting me to “stay safe” as he did in his prior e-mail he this time told me to “be safe”.
Well, it’s a step in the right direction, perhaps, but I sensed that I might have a very long way to go to convince him that the whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion. He was certainly not about to get into any discussion with me about it.
The government propaganda drive has been very successful and while we here may have a healthy or in some cases unhealthy scepticism, many people out there are by now heavily shielded against any suggestion that our governments might have got it wrong.
I am concerned that while here it is “good to talk” that too many here are placing too much emphasis on the likes of Schwab and not enough on Johnson.
That is not convincing me – an ardent sceptic – so you have zero hope of convincing any one of the sheeple if you persist with that nonsense! And I wonder if in some cases that is the intention.
John discsussing Shwab and Bill et al is the last thing I discuss with people. I keep it UK centric and avoid any sort of conspiracy discussion. I think the majority of people on this forum are aligned with this tact.
However, that does not mean that this forum should not discuss conspiracies. For many on here it is inconcievable that the entire free world is comitting economic armaggedon along with a complete destricution of civil liberties without some sort of nefarious motive.
I personally can’t understand your intransigence to even consider other concepts. Why is it so diffcult to accept that your government may be completely corrupted and whilst we all agree Johnson is a scumbag he is not the only one pulling the strings?
JHuntz But it isn’t a conspiracy theory though is it? The WEF and Schwab are real and their plans published, and Gates has not hidden the fact that his foundation is a key funder of their annual conferences – to which most governments send senior advisors each year. It clearly says on our government’s website that the UK government has formed a partnership with the WEF.
I don’t disagree but the general public will view this point of view as a conspiracy theory.
The reality is that for most of the people that is as far as it will go. If the hope is groundswill of public opinion to overturn all this sadly that would have happened about 6 months ago.
Now for most they will pay whatever price to get back to ‘normal’ whatever form that takes.
So the general public should now define the views we hold? Bless them, but count me out!
Beware. Arguing semantics just puts red herrings in our midst.
Exactly. It’s not a conspiracy theory if they tell you what they’re doing!
I can never make my mind up about Schwab and the WEF. Sometimes I feel like he’s running a Ponzi scheme. The way he’s used nepotism to favour family members in the organisation suggests he thinks more about Swiss francs than social justice. All his thoughts are retreads of other people’s ideas.
On the other hand he looks as ethical and well intentioned as GSoros and the WEF Great Reset is probably the worst set of policy proposals since Mao’s Great Leap Forward. In fact I’m beginning to wonder now if there isn’t some sort of Chinese joke hidden in there.
I’m coming round more to the view that it is a CCP plot. China is such a closed society,for all we know they may have been using Ivermectin to suppress it within their society while getting WHO to rubbish that cure. Who can say with certainty it was a natural mutation, it was deliberately released or there was an accidental release from the Wuhan lab?
China’s baleful influence over WHO and political/academic infiltration in the US and European countries is well established.
If you factor in their desperation to get rid of Trump, it begins to make a kind of sense.
It will be interesting to see if any evidence emerges of Chinese attempts to infiltrate the world of epidemiology, which could help explain some of the “monster” modelling. There is plenty of evidence of PLA agents infiltrating bio labs in the west – one was even caught illegally exporting a pathogen to China. Why would they not?
You might be interested in this video (it looks like it’s blocked but there is a prompt to proceed) which features Atlanta Attorney Michael Senger explaining his theory that the evidence points to China being at the heart of ‘the pandemic’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWLItLt90ys&bpctr=1608162462
John P – But Johnson has signed up to Schwab’s Great Reset plan – and Schwab’s WEF has the resources to carry out the plan. Johnson did not asked the British public if we wanted to go into partnership with the WEF, nor if we fully support a ‘Fourth Revolution. I have not heard that either of the Houses of Parliament have debated the issue either, have you? Since the WEF and through it Schwab will have all the controlling interests surely we should be placing more emphasis on them rather than BJ?
Good news John, always nice to hear of a win.
John, the camp is divided and many of us are on your side. Stick with the fundamentals as you see them.
I hear what you’re saying, but …you’re officially a conspiracy theorist,as is everyone posting here. You disagree with the establishment line. You are therefore, by decree of the digital platform guardians, a conspiracy theorist. That’s what healthy scepticism in 2020 is now called.
Re your uncle, maybe speak to him in person and maybe he’ll come round?
Ermm, would you care to explain why Johnson, Biden etc are using the exact same terminology as Schwab? ‘Build back better’ being a prime example. Granted, we must fight our own Govt, to the extent that we still have one in any meaningful sense, and not be distracted from that focus; but no matter which way you look at it Covid19 is a globalist’s wet dream and is visibly being used to cement some of their agendas far beyond public health. Increased and more effective surveillance for starters. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably not a canard: Mike Yeadon’s ‘convergent opportunism’ is a non-contentious way of putting it. The lengthy and egregious mismanagement of this so-called pandemic, coupled with the inevitable consequences, is quite enough evidence that this is no simple public policy mistake.
A very minor point but could you (and others) PLEASE spell ‘favourite’ correctly?
Ta ever so.
Not sure if already posted but this is the follow up to the Hereford Sainsburys arrest by West Mercia Police who insisted that an exemption card be shown . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh4yvMXpnVg
and https://yourherefordshire.co.uk/all/news/news-west-mercia-police-statement-following-face-covering-incident-in-sainburys-hereford/
Never watched it before but that police officer must be 17
The maskless guy is a hero. they picked the wrong person. That point where he asked the back up officer “Arrested many people without masks on tonight?” is gold. She knows how ridiculous the whole thing is.
When the little man returns with his clip board, “Right, I’ve spoken to the man and he agrees with you. You have a right not to show your exemption certificate”
A complete shambles.
I don’t think it’s a shambles unfortunately. Just as Cressida Dick sought to incite public aggression against the maskless, I’m guessing that orders are coming from high up somewhere for police to intimidate the maskless, regardless of the law
Thanks for this. I hope he sues them.
No apology, no courtesy, no empathy, no decency, police state.
This is from Drosten! And Merkel speaks of the deaths and cancel Christmas.What is going on?Short video from 15th Dec
https://twitter.com/LGcommaI/status/1338954407610871808
“We are now losing public trust. Certainly. .. Because the disease is not existing! [sic] It’s not there. .. Even though the incidence goes up, the fatalities don’t go up. There are no dead people.”
Jesus, he’s on the cusp of just calling it a pseudo epidemic there.
Do these people have a mental block – like he simply can’t go there because they are so invested in this narrative?
Fascinating! I do wonder about the context, though. What might he have said before and after this short clip?
The quote is apparently from summer.
There is a link to the full video at the twitter link, so that you can judge the context.
Thanks. I wasn’t paying close enough attention.
Thanks for that important information.So it was not a contemparonous remark which might reduce its significance.
https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users
What is going on? Now WHO’s new directive 14th Dec. The great “reset” 8 months late?
interesting – a bit of damage limitation before the tsunami of negligence claims arrives?
If they Admit it. Game over ?
“Consider any positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) or negative results (SARS-CoV-2 not detected) in combination with specimen type, clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.
Provide the Ct value in the report to the requesting healthcare provider.
My first suspicion? The CCP is starting to lay the conditions for “China Joe” Biden to claim an early victory in the war on Covid by einding down the stats. WHO is a wholly owned subsidiary of the People’s Republic of China. So it all makes sense.
Good point, think you may be onto something. Recall within days of the election in early Nov and MSM ‘declared’ Basement Joe POTUS-elect, there were multiple large gatherings, media cheered as people rushed into the streets at a number of events that would have been called “super-spreader” events under other circumstances… media basically said something to the effect, that it may be difficult for a few weeks but [presumed President] Biden would lead the world out of the corona crisis…
Yep, the narrative preceded the action. Now we’re seeing the action begin.
It will be so easy to get the figures down…
Use the lateral flow test to get a smaller proportion of positive tests. Positive tests become both infections and cases and cases (ie people with real observable symptoms) see a huge decline compared with when we had the promiscuous definition of “cases”. Then you start testing for flu as well as Covid and multiple infections are excluded from the Covid total. Job done. If only I was a consultant epidemiologist, I could make a lot of dosh.
I always was a little puzzled by why WHO does not now recommend lockdowns. Especially as its BS representative Nabarro always supports lockdown policy when he pontificates on TV and radio.
Seen through the China lens, it makes sens7e.
They want to be able to say they and their important trading partners in Asia and Africa are in alignment with WHO by not having ecomomically damaging lockdowns. But China wants to destroy the power of the USA and its European allies (also China’s ex colonial tormentors, ex when they were truing to carve up the country) so through all the means at its disposal – bought and paid for media, politicians & academics, WEF, controlled businesses, electoral fraud, and liars like Nabarro – it supports irrational continued lockdowns.
They say they’ve “had feedback”.
Very interesting!
aka “letters before action”
This is surely huge. Can someone tweet this at Kevin McKernan or Claire Craig?
I read this exact thing on The Burning Platform back in early March:
The people commenting there had some interesting theories at the time, worth scanning them – they knew a lot. Could see it all for what it was, but it does have plenty of quite out there people. There was a article one poster linked which gave a comprehensive takedown of it. I can’t find it now.
Anyway, that gravitated slowly into the more respectable alternative outlets and then Desmond Swayne asked about false positives in parliament come September was it?
Now the WHO say they got ‘feedback’?
Criminals, plain and simple.
Just speaking with my Mum – who is a retired nurse. It came up that one of the things that really pisses me off is that there is a high chance many vulnerable people have been coming into a hospital for months, been incorrectly labelled as having Covid, and then shunted onto the Covid ward where they will have then caught the real thing and been killed by it.
This must have happened to a great many unfortunate people since March this year. Probably less now as the endemic is obviously over.
Why do the NHS appear to choose not to have the highest standards, for example by choosing not to perform confirmatory testing on positives with a different test. Sounds simple so why is it not done? Why waste resources testing everyone instead of paying the very small price of re-testing? And it is a very small price.It would have saved many. Any eventual inquest should consider this question.
Correct me if I am wrong, please.
You could ask a lot of questions about the sainted nhs, starting with ‘why are hospitals so dirty they cause lots of hospital acquired infections’?
Not only are hospitals spreaders of disease, medical error is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US (I assume it’s not much different anywhere). Now that’s an epidemic that needs addressing!
THe NHS has been doing its best in the UK this year to remedy that problem by closing down and denying medical care to great swathes of the population.
No care no errors.
No – you’re not wrong. The misuse of PCR testing is a massive problem in all sorts of ways.
Sadly, attempting to challenge the official narrative with logic leads nowhere; if it were otherwise, this murderous charade would be behind us. The NHS has irrefutably either forgotten or is deliberately ignoring some of the most basic rules of infection control, leading to a completely unacceptable and unnecessary level of nosocomial transmission. Talking with a friend today, a retired nurse and former head of this county’s community psychiatric teams, he told me that he had spoken to a former colleague this morning who is still working in the local hospital. The nurse he spoke to complained bitterly that diagnosed Covid sufferers with symptoms are not being isolated but treated in the same wards as people who are there for other reasons. You really couldn’t make this stuff up, it’s as if good medical practice has somehow been confused with blundering incompetence.
My mum said the same as your friend today – she still talks to staff there also. I assumed it was not true but stand corrected in the face of more evidence. wow.
Covid Profiteers
That’s a great poster.
This was bound to come in mass vaccination.More serious than the two nurses in UK.No previous allergy and needing hospital treatment for anaphylaxs
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-pfizer-allergy-idUSKBN28Q2LC
An Alaskan health worker who had a serious allergic reaction after getting Pfizer Inc’s coronavirus vaccine was now stable, public health authorities said on Wednesday.
The adverse reaction in the person, minutes after taking the Pfizer shot on Tuesday, was similar to two cases in Britain.
The symptoms in the middle-aged patient resolved after being administered with allergy treatment epinephrine, said Lindy Jones, the director of the emergency department where the patient was treated.
The patient did not have a history of allergic reactions, Jones told reporters at a virtual briefing.
No previous allergies? Yikes!
Well there you ago. Loads of UK commentators like JHB were virtually criticising the two health workers in the UK who suffered serious allergic reactions , almost suggesting they were to blame for getting vaccinated, despite nearly all the MSM – JHB included – having told them it was totally safe!! Incidentally the claim they both routinely carried epipens was never verified but if true how likely is it they wouldn’t have asked if it was safe for people who experience severe allergic reactions…I bet someone reassured them.
We never had information if they have had (as most HCW) Hepatitis B vaccine. I think they had that vaccine without side effects and probably other vaccines. They were probably severe allergic to something else i.e. food etc hence carrying epipen. It was a monumental blunder of MHRA not to have warning of previous such reaction as a contraindication to C-19 vaccine as they obviously had from the beginning in the US vaccine progr.
You’re assuming they were carrying epipens. What is your source for that?
Yes they were.I can’t dig up that reference/link quick but was in my comments last week.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alaska-health-worker-had-serious-allergic-reaction-pfizer-vaccine-rollout-suffers-hiccups
“Of note, they both had a history of severe allergies. One, a 49-year-old woman, is allergic to eggs (which Pfizer says are not in their vaccine). The other, a 40-year-old woman is allergic to several different medications. Both routinely carry EpiPenn-like devices in case of reactions”
I still think there is a niche for the C-19 vaccine. Elderly seem to have less side effects and I think anaphylactic reactions are much more rare amongst the elderly. Persons over 70 with serious morbidity and long term care residents would be included in the group to recommend vaccines. Also under 70 with serious co-morbidities mostly severe obesity and diabetes would be worth taking this risk. But anybody healthy under 70 and importantly in healthcare (and then especially female staff) would seriously have to weigh this now serious risk versus the minimal risk of the disease. Strange that HCW in third world countries like India and Bangladesh can have prophylactic safe Ivermectin during the pandemic but not NHS staff.
I think this development with such serious reactions within one week of rolling out the mass vaccination makes all discussion of covidpass etc superfluous. Impossible to see this as a practical and sellable options for the politicians. There will be more reactions to come, rest assured. I think they will go along of only vaccinating the high-risk groups. Even in NZ they must watch these news with trepidation as their zero covid policy with a vaccine is now in tatters. I know this is a controversial for some of the anti vax commentators on this site.
*The* vaccine that’s been rushed, indemnified and is experimental? When vitamin D works to protect and hydroxycholoquine is effective too? You must be a pharma shill. Long hours you put in
This explains why the vaccine was rushed to approval over HCQ and ivermetcin https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240934
Remember that in the trials it was the booster shot that caused the intense adverse reactions. And nobody has received that yet.
Wherever it is deployed, if they thaw out a suitcase full of 5000 doses, and only 500 turn up, that will be the rest into the hazardous waste bin, unless they drag them in off the streets.
Expensive.
Manchester/Salford – if Gino can be optimistic then so can I
T3 to T2?
Look what I found.
Bill Gates. April 30th:
…. Fortunately, compressing the trial timeline isn’t the only way to take a process that usually takes five years and get it done in 18 months. Another way we’re going to do that is by testing lots of different approaches at the same time.
…. My hope is that the vaccine we have 18 months from now is as close to “perfect” as possible. Even if it isn’t, we will continue working to improve it. After that happens, I suspect the COVID-19 vaccine will become part of the routine newborn immunization schedule.
…. I think that low-income countries should be some of the first to receive it ……
https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine?WT.tsrc=BGEM
Is the routine newborn vaccination schedule a US phenomenon or is it coming soon to a baby near me?!
Be sure that long before that point this house of cards will have fallen and these bastards will be explaining themselves to their maker.
Either explaining themselves to him, or perhaps his opposite number.
The devil made them, the devil can damn we’ll fry them.
Be afraid of technocrats
Correction: Be VERY afraid of technocrats.
Technocrats serve ideologies. Their main purpose is to prevent the victory of democratic populism as a political force.
This Scamdemic is definitely anti-Brexit.
The US vaccinates newborns against Hepatitis B. Those stupid drug using, sexually promiscuous babies! Can’t trust them at all. So yeah, don’t be too surprised when they add the Covid vaccine to the newborn schedule…which reminds me of a headline I saw (couldn’t bear to read the story) of a 5-day-old baby who tested positive for Covid. The latest psy op to make the sheeple believe their newborns are a threat to the universe or are in mortal danger of dying of Covid.
That guy is crazy. Creepy crazy.
Re the disagreement between Toby and James :
How can Toby brush this information aside , it’s beyond doubt the election is being stolen by the international left .
come on Toby , where’s your answer to this –
https://www.theepochtimes.com/sidney-powell-trump-could-trigger-2018-executive-order-on-foreign-interference_3616680.html
The Epoch Times? FFS
At least Sidney Powell appears sober and isn’t breaking wind…
Cut out the arguments from authority and the adhominems, are you claiming there was no or little fraud, some fraud that did not affect the result, a lot of fraud but not enough to affect the result or a huge amount of fraud that did affect the result but you just don’t care.
I suggest no feeding of the troll.
Personally, I like to feed them till them are fit to burst and feel giddily nauseous.
I look forward to seeing a case that Trump/Powell/Giuliani actually win.
From what I can see so far, there was the notion of a ‘red mirage’ discussed all over up until 3rd November.
I am quite happy to see them win their cases if they can actually prove what they claim.
However, I do wonder why Republicans, in general, did quite well and it was only Trump that got rejected….
In nearly all cases the evidence has not been examined by courts, it has been thrown out, Where some examination has been allowed eg the forensic examination of the 16 Dominion voting machines, major concerns have been identified. There are evidenced concerns about the Fulton County vote with video as backup including what is clearly the surreptitious passing of what looks like a USB by the same people involved in the secret unobserved count.
Are you actually aware of this evidence?
I am.
I am aware that Trumps legal team are making these claims but why are so many courts on state & federal level not looking at this evidence? Are they all ‘in’ on it?
Epoch Times FFS ? ….. less credible than the mainstream, c’mon .
watch the video , explain how Sidney Powell is unreliable or provide chapter and verse analysis of where/why she’s wrong.
Have just listened to the video. Where can I see the evidence for what she is claiming? For example, her claims about Kelly Loeffler’s campaign worker? If it’s a claim from Loeffler herself, I would be somewhat suspicious (I worked for Toyota for a long time and am aware of many concerns about Loeffler’s credibility) Powells’s interview was a massive word salad with no extra substance to what she has said in or on any media
So you’re saying the Prof at the elite foreign policy instiution in China (an adivsor to President Xi) got it all wrong and they hadn’t bought Biden?
You don’t get to see the evidence, the courts will. We can only judge witness credibility.
The campaign worker was/is a side issue
Sidney Powell or deep state hacks , choose your corner.
Word is that the report is coming but the analysts are trying to cut out any mention of Chinese election interference, even though there is credible evidence, supposedly collected by less-compromised US military intelligence.
The Director of National Intelligence is threatening not to sign the report.
Scary, indeed.
Basically a nothingburger in the making.
Yawn!
It is certainly a tiresome business but surely the scale of fraud is of significant concern considering in a “democratic” system the people only get one vote every 4-5 years.
Surely they should not be able to avoid scrutiny whether one thinks Trump was cheated or not.
Just seen this article arguing that “the public response to official COVID-19 guidance” suggests “people can be split into six distinct groups determined by the way they search for, follow and act upon official advice”. Yet at the same time as being able to categorise everyone into one of six (only six!) groups it notes that “attempts to address the public as a homogeneous recipient of information and guidance relating to the pandemic are bound to fail”. Gosh! We’re not homogeneous, but we are able to be put into one of six groups…sadly I don’t seem to fit into any of the six groups… SEVEN groups!
https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/4724/six_pandemic_profiles_identified_in_study_of_publics_response_to_guidance
The article gives you a link to the final report if you are suffering from insomnia and need help to sleep…
I don’t fit any of the categories either.
If we were told the honest truth without obfustication, there would be no need for all this.
Hwever, the lies and obfustication are because there’s no need for all this …..
Balderdash from the first word to the last. I don’t fit any of those groups.
What group does that sociopathic SAGE psycho Susan Michie fall into?
The communist group.
WTF – the utter bastards
Someone should tell BBC’s Disinformation Specialist, Marianna Spring, there is a horrible conspiracist on the loose in the USA spreading wild and unsubstantiated rumours.
I am referring to Cardinal Burke who has stated in clear terms that Marxist materialism is taking over the governing power in the USA. Not just that, he has asserted that Klaus Schwab’s WEF is cynically manipulating the Covid crisis – cruelly exploiting ignorance and fear – to implement its Great Reset ideology.
Marianna should know that if she is ever going to win one of those coveted RTS awards, she will have to take on the Roman Catholic Church and spear this dangerous dragon.
Hardly surprising from a hard right Trump supporting Catholic who blames sexual abuse of children in HIS church on the ‘gay’ agenda.
You could try reading Dr A Michael Jones over at culture wars website ,
very interesting info on the corruption of the Catholic church .
So you are saying the Cardinal is a conspiracy theorist? …Just for the record, that means you are firmly of the belief that the Democratic Party in the USA has nothing to do with Marxist materialism and that figures such as Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris have always found it to be a detestable doctrine?
Try reading the letter written by Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano if you’re interested in his take on the great reset.
It starts
“Mr. President,
Allow me to address you at this hour in which the fate of the whole world is being threatened by a global conspiracy against God and humanity.”
https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2020/10/30/open-letter-to-president-donald-trump/
Worth reading in full as they say.
“found”! Lol How about “manufactured in a Big Pharma factory”? Might get a slightly different response then.
I thought the use of “found” was “interesting”
What is the point of opinion polls?
If only we could ban the reporting of them, especially during election campaigns
How would billionaires influence elections then? I mean apart from buying up the media, infiltrating academia, funding electoral fraud and censoring oposing opinions on social media…
The European Drs are worth keeping an eye on , this from a few days ago :-
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/netherlands-87000-nurses-refuse-covid-19-vaccine/
I heard something a couple of months ago about 80,000 Dutch nurses saying they would not take a vaccine. I think it was at the inaugural World Doctors Alliance press conference.
That’s it in the link actually!
I tried to fuck them in the Plantation where I slave on… I sent several e-mails to the jesters and scoundrels in office asking them to pass a Law forcing “ALL the heroes of the NHS to be PROTECT with the COVID-19 vaccine”!
Even that one failed… I guess steel is the only option.
New Normal
Fu** off ALDI with your talking carrots wearing face masks and your degrading traffic-light system for humans. We’re not mice in maze in a science lab. Hope you go bust.
Oh dear!
I usually go on Wednesday evenings but had delightful visit from grandkids instead.
My local branch is usually wonderfully sane. I’ll send report after tomorrow’s foray ….
Judging from their emails, Asda are worse.
I haven’t been inside a supermarket since April. Thank all the gods for Click and Collect. And for friendly local shops that sell much nicer grub.
Totally get where you’re coming from re click and collect but equally isn’t that the end game? Hate the actual person, embrace the automaton? Same reason I won’t ‘self scan’ is the same reason I queue up (mask less) behind three packed trolleys at a person checkout – keep the people jobs and don’t empower the automaton
That was my stance in Sainsbury’s. However, they replaced so many checkouts with robots that the staff were demoralised and thoroughly miserable last year, long before the covid fiasco.
I like Aldi because the ones I’ve visited recently are all staffed with real people who seem to be genuinely happy at work.
Asda, in my work town, were lovely after April but only before 9.30 am (no queues) Even so, happy staff, no-one had died. Covid was a myth.
Asda were only lovely before the now infamous date of July 24th 2020. Mask Day.
The date that Boris upped the pressure on killing shops. Ada complies. I’ve no idea why. I was briefly challenged that day but kept walking.
I had a delivery from Sainsbury’s the other day. The driver was masked but he carried my shopping upstairs and into the kitchen for me instead of dumping it all in the hall and fleeing which I appreciated.
If you’re seeing talking carrots in masks then you need to throttle back a bit.
Seriously though at the Aldi I visit I’ve never seen anyone take any notice of the lights, it’s the staff I feel sorry for. Imagine sitting at a checkout all day with an endless stream of faceless zombies going by. When I popped in for some coffee and lunch the lady on the checkout totally changed character as I got to the front of the queue, suddenly smiling and becoming very chatty. I couldn’t do her job.
YouGov are clearly hate speech. The regulators should know
Drosten: “the disease is not existing!”
https://twitter.com/LGcommaI/status/1338954407610871808
Ffs
The SRF & Billionaires have done this lovely year of 2020 what They had already tried a few times this XXI century alone… USE PNEUMONIA to FAKE A PANDEMIC in order to deploy the TOOLS They need in order to READJUST Their Civilization.
This year specially due to the massive spread of “smart”phones and the fact that modern moron slaves are 24/7 connected, Their OPERATION COVIDIUS was/is an AWESOME SUCCESS… I bet it even surpass Their own expectations.
From this year till 2030 we’re actually screwed. They will do whatever They want, unless…
If you pay attention to “tiers” , fuck off.
If you ever utter the words “why are they doing this to us “, fuck off
If you wear a Mask or “social distance”, fuck off.
If you are a socialist / left winger / politically correct / BLM supporting Twat, then Fuck right off.
So yeah, yet again I am fucking fucked off.
“Fuck off” isn’t good enough any more…
Twats who post stupid pictures, and never go on protests can fuck off too
Protest indoors, not outdoors.
Yawn.
Biker’s getting some competition.
Fuck you too.
Health Reporters
These people are a new and growing problematic phenomena – any ideas how we attack them back? I’m sick of reading their utter unscientific drivel. Millions fall for their daily words, unfortunately.
Many are funded by Pharma and Gates. Check out links like this https://www.gatesfoundation.org/search#q/k=guardian if you don’t believe me.).
They have expanded in number (recruitment) since February and are now earning a nice living at home by writing and reporting bollocks, like fake daily graph cases, and their long term career prospects look great as long as the public keep being enthralled by them.
To gain their wealth they seem happy in taking wealth, health, and happiness away from millions of others. They appear extremely confidant in their writing and mostly seem young, with Media Degrees, not Science or Medicine Degrees.
Best way STOP accessing that site… Tell other to do the same… Without traffic profit from ads will drop like old folks under the care of the NHS!
In other words, they are paid shills.
.
Ray Gun. I was in high school when he became Governor of California. Police helicopters flew over our school every day at 3 P.M. and there were cop cars and cops on motorcycles up and down the street. We wanted to girl watch. They told us to go home.
Yeesh. Land of the free? Home of the – what exactly?
Funny – even a carpenter must suspect they are taking the piss. No disrespect to carpenters.
I’m probably like most of you here – I can hardly go a few minutes during the day without my mind drifting back to the lockdown situation.
All the more interesting it is then, when I am so otherwise occupied, that I can actually go for a couple of hours without thinking about it.
It does happen. Just now I spent three hours on something that needed a lot of concentration. It was fascinating to watch my own mind after finishing, as my thoughts drifted back to our reality.
I instantly realized, with a flash of intuitive comprehension, how ludicrous it is that anybody believes this nonsense, that lockdown, anti-social distancing and mask.wearing have anything to do with any supposed illness.
It is utterly, utterly absurd. It cannot possibly be true. Nor can it possibly have somehow happened as a result of incompetence.
The times of forgetting are precious, although, as you say, they tend not to last.
I find that an hour of New Testament Greek ( thank you, Stephanos!), or a piano lesson, or two hours on a lively horse in boisterous Pembrokeshire weather, all do the job very well. Each to his own remedy.
Music at maximum volume drowns it all out for a while.
This is why I swim and play in water more – to forget, even for 20 minutes is a pleasure.
Damn straight that it wasn’t incompetence.
Because it’s WW3 and enemies are numerous including supposed allies (politicians, the media, the police, hospitals) and because it seems like our Government wants us dead and is going about it by stealth. The global entity orchestrating events is unknown and their motives unclear
See you there
https://twitter.com/StandUpX2/status/1339281803232862209
Lots going on this weekend!
Manchester, Colchester, Newcastle, London, York, Oxford, Bradford, Bournemouth, Norwich, Sheffield, Manchester, Truro …….
Some are protests which will need big numbers to be effective. Some are just local group meetings.
Look at the Protest Everywhere group on Telegram to find one in your area.
Sorry there’s no printed list to copy at the moment.
I’ll try to make one for you all tomorrow, if one doesn’t appear magically on one of the groups.
Don’t forget this one in Nottingham tomorrow evening:
Is there any in Scotland I don’t have telegram?
No meetings mentioned this week, that I can see. There was one in Holyrood last weekend.
They are forming local groups. There’s a list on Protest Everywhere. Several for Scotland. Mostly Standup X but it’s a place to start.
Much is being done under the radar of course. Keep Britain Free also has local groups. You’ll have to join their forum and check.
Forums are very clunky for this. Telegram is a much better way to keep groups informed and is easy to download.
Okay thank you. I’ll have a look at a few of these and try get involved.
Hmmm, now why would we need a test to differentiate between SARS-CoV-2 and flu? I thought PCR tests detected cases and flu disappeared because of masks and not seeing Granny?
EUROIMMUN Receives CE Mark for New PCR Test to Differentiate Between COVID-19 and Flu | PerkinElmer, Inc.
Surely if we can’t currently tell the difference without a test, all those covid deaths could very likely be from flu instead?
Flu vax was ramped up this year, there is no flu being detected. Only Covid.
The recent ‘second wave’ was very much in line with the new ramp up and much of it was among school children.
I believe that they will still claim covid in the absence of a positive test now, based on symptoms. Clare Craig has highlighted that a test for flu needs to be carried out very early on in the infection but the covid monomsania means it is being left too late because hospitals will run several covid tests before they try for flu. So I think you are spot on, Cheezilla.
Why do we need a test for flu?
This must validates the whole testing, isolating, lockdown, face masks, vaccines, immunity passports agenda
Human rights come first
We already have and used to use tests for flu. I imagine it might be helpful for differential diagnosis in very poorly hospital patients. As already pointed out, this is only for those with acute symptoms. Although I appreciate that that is the intention for all pCR tests and has been ridden roughshod over. It does feel slightly sinister given MH’s ambitions to test and trap everyone for everything.
Yes. They had no idea at the beginning either, no testing, remote diagnosis and no post mortem. Where are they getting the numbers from and why are people believing them
It specifically states to be used to test people with acute symptoms.
That caveats matters, worth pointing that out.
However, it does indicate, in a side door way, that flu numbers are in Covid numbers given the symptoms can be largely the same.
To what extent? We’ll never know.
Well Boots produced a handy guide to differentiating between the flu or covid… who could possibly get it wrong?!
Surely, if you believe the media, there’s only one question to ask:
Are you alive?
If yes – you’ve got flu
If no – you’ve got covid
Flu can also induce shortness of breath
I guess in the real world that table is laminated. Covid does not live on laminated surfaces whereas flu does or other ways about – n that’s how you tell using that table.
It’s because they didn’t have the resources to test for both. As in the paper I usually refer to that had only 4% of a 20,000 odd group getting flu tested and only for severe symptoms after some days in hospital.
Yet the symptoms for Covid and flu are almost identical, in fact so similar it would take accurate testing to tell the difference.
But when you have confirmation bias and policy driving numbers you end up with a certain narrative.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-reset-61-nations-have-decimated-liberty-covid-restrictions
‘These [restrictions] violated democratic standards because they were either disproportionate, illegal, indefinite or unnecessary in relation to the health threat,”
hard to argue with that!
This comment is prob accurate aswell
“61% of Nations have decimated liberty with COVID restrictions.
And 39% never had any liberty.
So, there you have it.”
Our moron politicians follow ‘the science’.
I’ve decided instead to ‘follow the PPE’. To this end I have changed my name to Oliver ande acquired rich parents, joined my peers in masturbating onto a biscuit whilst at private school, go to Oxford incurring no debt, and then fiddle my expenses when I become an MP and fuck hookers and snort coke.
Burn £50 notes in front of the destitute, when you’re not doing unmentionable things to pork.
Interesting developing story
https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1339310484269494273
Tory MP Tobias Ellwood attended a Christmas dinner with 27 guests at a private members club in Mayfair on Tuesday
Now this is really interesting as this a.m. on TalRadio saying Christmas had to be stopped because this was all about the NHS and ot was the most serious pandemic since rhe War. But not so dangerous for 27 of his buddies having supper in a private members club. He and his friends should be arrested and prosecuted.
I would rather he wasn’t. As much as I loathe him, do we want the criminalisation of living life to be further normalised?
Doesn’t this yet again go to the heart of if this was a plague even the c**ts like elwood morgan catherwood would not be pricking about with egotistic behaviours of masks are for the flimflam but not for me.
Irrelevant diversion to be calling for him to be chastised for not observing his own rules or whatever they are defined as lately.
Take morgan… a coward of a man.. he hasnt the courage to work in proximity to real death, complacently happy to prick about not following all his own whining when its a little inconvenient for him.
These peacock displays of arrogance are displays of how thoroughly fraudulent the supposed dangers are
No,he said it was a business meeting and Covid can tell the difference.I think we have underestimated what is the cleverest virus ever to found.Its powers to differentiate between sitting and standing.Whether you are eating with your pint or not;even to tell if you just eating a packet of pork scratchings or a substantial meal.It can even tell the time and make it another hour to lapse before it strikes.
No wonder so many people are terrified of it.
They’ve changed the wording on the website to business meeting but funny how the url has Christmas dinner in it
https://iraqbritainbusiness.org/news/tobias-ellwood-mp-speaks-at-ibbcs-christmas-dinner
He was at a fully Covid compliant venue….Upon Covid compliance rested the employment hopes of thousands of restaurant and pub workers, whose owners and investors have invested millions in plastic shielding etc, but who he (Tobias) enjoys shutting down. He is a pig. Reminds me of the generals in WW1. Like Boris and Handcock.
Is there a way to see the page pre up date ?
It seems not.
The Wayback Machine didn’t index this page so there is no history there.
Bing only seems to provide the most recent cached version of the page, and that one says “business”.
I can’t find an entry on Google for that page, so no cached page to look for there.
DuckDuckGo doesn’t appear to provide access to cached versions for any of its search results (presumably because they use the indexes from other engines, rather than spider the sites themselves).
So if you’re having a business meeting masks are not required but a social occasion requires masks?
This is, presumably, because the virus is pro-business and loves Klaus Schwab. Is it not feasible to trick the virus during social events by using occasional words, such as ‘company director’, ‘sales forecasts’ or ‘marketing’ mixed in with normal conversation, so as to dispense with the need for masks altogether?
The NHS has closed its doors on millions. They can’t flog that dead horse anymore. There’s no mileage left in ‘save the NHS’.
We’re actually waving goodbye to the NHS.
I’m not so sure there is still plenty mileage in COVID 19
“the most serious pandemic since the War.”
Forget Ellwood. Call that out for what it is – a flagrant lie.
This isn’t even the worst viral infection in since 1999!.
And this cunt was pontificating on the Radio this morning.
Well I never, and he was so ‘on message’ on Julia HB’s programme earlier, you could be forgiven for thinking somebody knew it was likely to go public!
Shame there’s no photos to flood the Internet. So many hypocrites lately. Kay Burley being the biggest
a tweet on that thread .
“I have 2nd Home Neighbours from London & Cambridge visiting their properties here in Kent at present.
We are in a shocking position and these people think the T3 Restrictions dont apply to them.
One of them say they are here to prep house as they have an Air BnB let
If i see she has gone and BnB’rs are in then i feel a moral duty to report it (i have politely IMmed her the restrictions, fine info & that she risked a fine dropping a christmas card off so is warned)”
Are these people sane?
“oh and by the way Anne Frank is in that attic over there” .
Blind as most of the UK public are, one thing they hate is hypocrisy..
Hope this gets widespread exposure
Mengele in the 21st Century.
Message from the Protest Everywhere group.
It’s one thing protesting in large groups, but that doesn’t reach the terrified people sitting in their homes, who do not even know there is a truth to this. All they have is the TV or internet for information. It’s not that all of them are sheep, they have been isolated and kept from the truth. The only way is to put it through their letterbox. They are locked inside, and have nothing better to do than research now. Give them the information so they can do that.
This is the link to the print group. It’s not a chat group. It a place to take what you want and to put informative (unbranded) print materials, so that others can quietly take it to their local printers or print it off at home. You can also simply write the links down and post them like that. There is a pinned message in the print group for guidance, please read it, it’s important.
Click here to join: https://t.me/ProtestFlyersLeafletsPosters
Mabel Cow, and other brilliant poster-makers, this could be a good way to get some of your wonderful work more widely circulated.
Just thought of a suggestion for poster makers… if you are going to put web links on paper and post them, I’d probably be put off by having to type a long url into a browser…
Why not include QR codes next to the urls so people don’t have to type them in?
DNR Care Homes
How dare the NHS throw us on the scrapheap! | Daily Mail Online
Good point in the comments that you’re too young to be allowed to retire at 65 but they can slap a DNR on you because you’re old and presumed frail!
The Gov’t wants us dead
The feeling is mutual.
Israel. See screen shot. Today they had 4500 “cases” highest since in the peak of second lockdown. This is interesting. Nethanyanou, is he going to impose a third lockdown? (there are some “local” lockdowns). He has been super paranoic of C-19 from the beginning. First lockdown security military style of lockdown. Second lockdown 18th Sept to 18t Oct. And the virus doesn’t follow the script. How long do we have to wait before stopping this Don Quijote like fight against the virus?
Till Biden is inaugurated.
In the Daily Mail 5 Mar , Whitty, warned Britons that there is no point in them wearing masks because they won’t have a ‘significant effect’ in guarding against the virus https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8077813/Story-Chris-Whitty-Oxford-graduate-leading-Britains-fight-against-coronavirus.html
I’m not interested in protecting myself against a coronavirus. I’ll catch it and move on
An interesting summary of Whitty before he rose without trace.
A classic example of someone promoted beyond their capabilities.
Yes, but they were lying then because they needed PPE for the NHS, but they are telling the truth now when they say they work. That’s how zealots logic this out.
Fauci said that,although that begs the question why we should believe a liar.
It’s worth watching his Gresham College lecture from earlier this year. The contradictions compared to current narrative are stark. https://youtu.be/3BdPKpWbxTg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9061223/Top-scientific-advisers-rake-400k.html
Once upon a time there lived an emperor who was a total health freak. All he cared about was being healthy and reading Gwyneth Paltrow books. He also demanded that the people in his kingdom be healthy too. He was even considering banning unhealthy food.
One day, two swindlers came to his city and pretended to everyone that they were vaccine developers. They said they could make a vaccine that would rid the world of the symptoms of colds and flu. They said the vaccine would only work on those who believed it worked and were not stupid.
That must be a wonderful vaccine he thought. If I were to have everyone take this vaccine I could find out which people in my kingdom are stupid and therefore should not be in their jobs and then I won’t need to pay them furlough money.
So he gave a large sum of money to those rascals, in advance, so that they should get to work immediately. He even placed an order for far more vaccine than people in his kingdom for no apparent reason. The swindlers set up a laboratory and pretended to be very hard at work.
And so the vaccine was developed and everyone in the kingdom was given two doses.
Winter came and many people did not have any symptoms of cold and flu. Hooray they cheered, it really works.
However some people still got symptoms and these people were considered non believers and stupid.
The end.
I forgot the disclaimer: Any resemblance to real persons or other real-life entities is purely coincidental. All characters and other entities appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, dead or alive, or other real-life entities, past or present, is purely coincidental.
How does a family with no grandparents having Xmas dinner put granny at risk?
It’s complete nonsense to suggest that everybody is in the same situation and at equal risk to whatever negative outcome they are trying to peddle.
Boris is right to allow people to assess their own risk which is how it should always have been.
That’s how they play us. Everyone at equal risk, when nothing could be further from the truth.
How can it be that there has been no serious civil unrest ? I can’t get my head around that.
Lack of sceptical leadership.
I think cancel culture has been very effective. People to afraid to pipe up for fear of losing everything.
There’s plenty of unrest. The comments BTL in the press are witness to that.
The demos are getting bigger every week.
The Sun has been the only paper to report them – and dismisses the protesters as anti-vax nutjobs.
Lots of gatherings this weekend, all over the country. See my earlier post.
Remember back in March the Chuckle Brothers were telling us that a vaccine will be our saviour, or words to that effect?
One of them is now backtracking on that (paywall article):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/16/prof-chris-whitty-coronavirus-vaccines-dont-mean-end-social/
Covid-19 vaccines will not yet enable the ending of social distancing, England’s chief medical officer has warned, as he said there will never be “zero risk” from the virus.
Prof Chris Whitty said there would be a “huge surge” in cases among the under-80s if rules were relaxed just because the highest age group had been vaccinated.
While he acknowledged the rollout of the vaccine among the elderly and extremely vulnerable would reduce deaths, Prof Whitty said those just below them in the priority list would remain at risk of getting “seriously ill” and dying.
They are never going to give up on this. As one commenter on another article said – “Whitty and Vallance have had a good pandemic”.
Exactly.
If it is not about a virus, then a vaccine cannot be the solution.
Hey; wasn’t it 3 weeks to flatten the curve??
The intention is never to allow freedom of movement and assembly.
SARS-CoV-3 is loaded and ready if required.
From furlough straight to UBI.
I believe that those pulling the strings have been shocked at how easy this has been. They are going to take as much as they can until forced to retreat. Right now we are giving them no reason to retreat.
I am not so sure about that.
Although this is not about a vaccine per se I do get the impression that they are having to play the ‘vaccine card’ at this time earlier than was anticipated.
It is important to remember that however well this was planned, that things always go differently than anticipated at some point. The world is inherently difficult to plan and the longer this goes on the likelier it is that things start happening that have not been gamed.
The best laid plans of mice and men.
I think this has been very well planned and I think even their wildest expectations wouldn’t have expected 99% mask compliance and barely any resistance by protest (germany/ India exlcuded).
The prize is scanning in for contact tracing and pre-booking everything. So easy to see who’s associating with who… we will be allowed to dispense with masks and social distancing if we keep scanning for ‘health reasons’
I belong to the Non-Denominational Church of Lockdown Sceptics – but my dad is Covid Orthodox – just found out he won’t let me home from university to have a family christmas. Gutted.
We just wouldn’t have believed this 12 months ago. What is wrong with people?
Not sure where you are but you’re welcome here for Christmas. Gawd knows another sceptic to talk to would be a blessed relief.
That’s really kind Andrea.
Well, there you are. This one thing tells you a great deal about your father.
In such situations one can learn more about a person in two minutes than in ten years of normality.
WTF?!
My boys bought me a picture frame, in which they installed a great photo of themselves.
The frame reads: “Be nice to your children for they will choose your care home.”
That’s funny
I’m so sorry, My friend and I were saying a few hours ago that this year is the year when people lost their humanity.
You could send him a link to the offguardian covid fact check thread for Christmas
There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
They will not win.
We have to fight anyway.
I know there are many people who wish that those like Toby Young or Peter Hitchens would change their angle of dissent – from incompetence to intent.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, can now possibly believe that we are dealing with incompetence.
If those like Toby Young or Peter Hitchens do not appear to recognize this, then it is because they consider that tactically it is better to continue with their current line.
I agree, for the moment.
I’ve come round to what I call the China Theory. It explains a lot. They do, after all , control WHO. Hope to post some more on that tomorrow. It’s a kind of less exotic conspiracy theory.
I have no time for the CCP, but they don’t control WHO.
They contribute less than 0.5 % of the WHO budget. The UK, by comparison contributes 7.7% – and through GAVI even more.
https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/who-funds-who-1667273-2020-04-15
The UK is up to the eyeballs in this.
My issue with the China theory is the globalists have made them the powerhouse that they are. The powers that be could easily have reduced China’s stranglehold on the outsourcing of manufacturing but they haven’t and conviently China is the world leader for the social credit system. The WEF want us controlled just like the Chinese.
The globalists are working with the Chicoms.
The globalist reward is free and easy travel throughout the world without having to see, hear, or smell us plebes.
Yes – Mao and the Communists were supported by the US State Department 75 years ago.
It was Kissinger who played the ‘China card’ back in the 70s.
John Pilger noted that whenever Kissinger visited a minor country, civil war broke out a few weeks later.
What I call the worst geopolitical decision since Operation Barbarossa.
Should have listened to Napoleon about China and maybe not copied him in Russia.
Exactly. The West aren’t helpless victims – they’re active participants. All those complaining about China have homes full of products made in China
Products for which China has received paper printed up by the Central Banks.
Well yeah, but we never had a vote on that. If you’re saying we should have a referendum on the level of our engagement with genocidal, militaristic, racist China, I’d be very happy for that to happen. India, Vietnam, Indonesia and the Philippines can all substitute for China at the low end and Taiwan, Singapore and Japan at the high end. We don’t “need” China.
Politicians first. Started with the Nixon China policy, the policy then allowed China to develop its corruption strategy to influence government and society in the West, around the time of the first Bush. The billionaires were fairly late to the game but it has been about exploiting China’s vast labour pool (still around 300 to 400 milion potential v low paid workers to be drawn on for tech factories serving American firms).
I feel China is fighting and winning WW3 going away.
The CCP correctly gauged the hysterical nature of modern Western people and has exploited it masterfully.
Once Trump is gone, China will easily consolidate her grip on her new territories via a soul-crushing social credit system.
China is clearly giving a master class in manipulation – shame that Chinese Prof jn hus vidoed lecture couldn’t resist gloating about it and specifying how they nade Biden their man and got him into power into, partly by channelling money to his corrupt son,
absolutely
Not true. 70% of WHO funding comes from Pharma companies, including Bill Gates
WHO is a political organisation. It’s ultimately the votes that count when it comes to appointing leaders and deciding policies. Money isn’t so important. They didn’t blink when Trump said the USA would withdraw funding.
It was Pharma companies who got the WHO to change the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ in 2009
I listened to the interview with Owen Jones. Hitchens still believes dePiffle to be a libertarian.
Obviously, libertarian jellyfish make shit leaders.
Maybe he is. I think the personal predelictions of our political leaders are irrelevant.
They are functionaries who have to do what the system demands. Otherwise the system finds someone else.
The most important thing about people like Hitchens is that they maintain a platform for dissent.
Good comment.
If I was well read perhaps I would be aware of similar tactics being used in history. I would also be aware of when they had been successfully employed and when not.
It is my loss I am not as well read as I would like.
They’re comforting themselves
People’s beliefs are so bound up with their identity they struggle to change opinion as circumstances evolve .
Add to that the huge egos most people have..
I think it’s peer pressure.They don’t want to be seen as conspiracy nutters among their fellow journalists.
Disappointed with Hitchens because he called out the Syrian chemical attack for what it was.
A pretext for the west to get involved.
Governments conspire all the time so what is so different now they he won’t go there.
I had 2 posts on his blog be censored for saying as much.
Nancy Pelosi: The Godmother.
The dipsomaniac Godmother…
So are they backtracking on Moonshot, because they have discovered the lateral flow test is not inaccurate enough?
Exactly. If only they could get away with tarot cards
Saw my friend today and we went to get a takeaway. There was a man in a mask walking along a completely deserted street. We both muttered “idiot!” under our breath.
My friend was telling me they were trying to get her to have the vaccine as she is a carer but she doesn’t want an experimental vaccine and has decided if she ever does agree she would prefer the Oxford one. She cannot see any point as they told her she still needs full PPE even after taking the vaccine I agree. I’m so fortunate to have friends on the same wavelength
She sounds very sensible.
She is and good company.
Indeed you are OH is fed up of my ‘rantings’ (eg points of informed discussion) and advised I ‘go talk at someone else’. ‘I’d love to dahling but don’t you see that’s the point of this isolate, divide and concur government approach?’ Said I.
Tapping him on the head at 3 am in the morning when something important has just ocurred to you is a good way of getting your point across – try it and see if I’m wrong!
I know, I have this friend whom I see, another I chat to on the phone and my cleaning lady/helper/companion and my handyman who are sceptical to some degree.
Many of us are wondering why there has been no serious civil unrest yet.
I believe this is down to so many people having something to lose, or thinking that they have something to lose.
This is why economic developments are critical.
I do not believe that they can stop living standards falling for the broad majority of people.
A tipping point will eventually be reached, which is impossible to predict.
This is what we are waiting for.
They are acting out of weakness. Systems looking to sustain themselves only turn to coercion when other means are no longer possible. Coercion is expensive in terms of lost legitimacy.
But they have no choice. The monetary system is failing. They have their backs to he wall.
We shall prevail.
But why destroy small business where a huge amount of employment takes place? Why destroy tourism where a huge amount of employment takes place? I don’t know if they are doing this out of weakness or strength.
See Ernst Wolff: Corona – The Collapse of the System on YouTube
Also the Great Reset (World Economic Forum)
Ernst Wolff can’t be recommended highly enough.
Really sees what’s going on.
I don’t endorse him so much, but he’s the best analysis on offer at the moment. The Left and the unions are disinterested. Even John Pilger is disinterested
I’d like to know what Ernst Wolff thinks about the WEF’s Great Reset
I’ve not seen this guy thanks very much. Will check it out tomorrow!
They know the economy is going down come what may.
I think that is the price of limiting travel and opportunities for people to meet and thus coordinate collective actiom.
Isolate the individual.
Induce a sense of powerlessmess.
Airlines and tourism don’t fit in with the zero carbon future.Small businesses give their owners an independent income.Once they are out of the way the assets can be bought cheaply and market share can be taken by large concerns which can be controlled by the state.
I believe, rather ironically, it is precisely because the virus is of little threat to most people that they’ll happily just let this “minor inconvenience” pass them by.
Furlough,self employment grants BBL,help for businesses explains the lack of revolt.Full bellies rarely revolt.
It’s how long the Government can stave off economic collapse.In normal times a government that attempted to run a deficit this large would have gone already.But because governments around the world are pursuing the same policy there is no pressure from international markets.
As long as the government keeps printing I can’t see it ending.
Yes.
I think many more people than we think realize that what is going on here cannot be explained in terms of public health.In fact I think that it is a majority of the population.
The psychological mechanism you highlight – which is also often found in abused children – is a survival mechanism born out out of the recognition of one’s own powerlessness, which is sometimes only apparent, but in many situations all too real.
I actually think a good part of the population is in a state of shock.
I think shock is definetely a factor. I mean we went from a position in March where I bet about 99% of the population would have considered themselves to be free people. For all it’s faults I think the average person seen the British government as a force for good whether that is naiive or not. Having to even consider that the government is utterly corrupted and we may not get our freedom back would create a crisis in confidence for most people. I think some are more willing to bury there head in the sand and hope that we go back to being free people.
When people are traumatized or indeed merely shocked they are much more susceptible to suggestion.
Maria Bartiromo is a presenter on Fox News. Obviously not a registered Democrat but not a Trump partisan in the Hannity mould, and besides most Trump supporters think Fox News is basically now anti-Trump (confirmed by their unconscionable early declaration of Arizona for Biden when only 14% of the vote was in and it was on such a knife edge).
She is reporting today that an intel source has told her that Trump did win the election.
If genuine, this begs the question of how they know. What info do they have? Were they monitoring internet connections abroad from Dominion machines
The intel source says SCOTUS must step in to address the issue of fraud and the stolen ekection, then “stop the clock”.
There is Supreme Court precedent from 1878 (I saw elsewhere) that would support a strong response. Essentially the precedent says fraud invalidates everything else in the process.
That’s rubbish. Hearst did not have the syndrome. She was sexually assaulted, kept in a cupboard for days on end and brainwashed for weeks. It was much more like what was done to US POWs in N Korean camps in the early 50s. Many became fanatically convinced of the Communist cause. Stockholm refers to where people are held hostage but not otherwise subjected to major physical or overt mental pressure.
Except that when one is held hostage one is inherently subject to major mental – and often physical – pressure.
Don’t forget – the only previous instance in history where ‘social distancing’and masking were imposed upon people was in Guantanamo, where we know that the US implemented many methods that the Chinese/North Koreans had used.
No, the syndrome refers to where the hostages are not maltreated directly. Of course they are under extreme mental stress but that is a product of the framework situation , their experience as hostages, not of any direct activity specifically designed to induce additional stress.
Under the stress of being a hostage, good motives are imputed to the hostage takers and the value of such gestures as sharing food is exaggerated. The hostage takers are also looked up to as authority figures who have a right to take decisions.
Stockholm is valid as a reference point to us being taken hostage by our own government but not to Patty Hearst.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-listed-as-a-notifiable-disease- Covid is listed as a notifiable disease, I put this on earlier, but lost it , but wondering if as per usual, for notifiable diseases, the GP’s get paid per..