“There’s no such thing as a scientific consensus,” Nir Shaviv, a Professor at the Racah Institute of Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem says in response to a question about what he thinks of the widespread claim that there is a scientific consensus on the anthropogenic nature of climate change. “In science, we deal with open questions and I think that the question of climate change is an open question. There are a lot of things which many scientists are still arguing about,” he explains.
Indeed, there are scientists who say that climate change is caused entirely by humans and the situation is very dire. But then there are those who say that although humans are causing much of the warming, the situation is not as bad as we are being told by politicians and activists through the media. Some think that CO2 plays an important part in the current warming trend and some believe its role is insignificant.
Although Shaviv assesses that some of the warming in the 20th century is indeed the result of increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations, most of the change is a natural phenomenon. “My research has led me to strongly believe that based on all the evidence that’s accumulated over the past around 25 years, a large part of the warming is actually not because of humans, but because of the solar effect,” he says.
Up to two-thirds of the warming comes from the Sun
As an astrophysicist, Shaviv’s research has largely focused on understanding how solar activity and the Earth’s climate are linked. In fact, he says, at least half, and possibly two-thirds, of the 20th century’s warming is related to increased solar activity. Shaviv has also shown that cosmic rays and their activity influence cloud cover formation, also causing the climate to change. He has been working on this issue together with Danish astrophysicist Dr Henrik Svensmark.
In any case, Shaviv says, if solar activity and cosmic ray effects are taken into account, the climate sensitivity remains relatively low, or simply put – an increase in the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere cannot cause much warming. Scientists have long attempted to calculate how much a doubling of atmospheric CO2 would raise the temperature of the Earth. The first attempt was made more than 100 years ago by the Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius, who suggested an answer of up to six degrees Celsius. Since then, this number has been revised downwards, but not enough, according to Shaviv. “If you open the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] reports, then the canonical range is anywhere between one and a half or two, depending on which report you look at, to maybe four and a half degrees increase for CO2 doubling. What I find is that climate sensitivity is somewhere between one and one and a half degree increase per CO2 doubling,” Shaviv says, adding that he does not expect the temperature rise in the 21st century to be very high.
Explaining the warming that has happened primarily with CO2 is where the IPCC’s scientific reports err, Shaviv says, by failing to account for the solar effect. And because they do not account for it, but there is still a need to explain the temperature rise, the rise in CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which has been attributed to human influences, has been used to explain it. Shaviv explains that this is the wrong answer as it fails to take into account all the contributing factors.
Is the planet boiling?
But is this temperature rise causing a climate crisis? Shaviv’s answer to the question is simple and clear: “No.” He explains that the average temperature on the planet has risen by one degree Celsius since about 1900, but this is not unprecedented. We are familiar, for example, with the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings charted the coast of Greenland, including its northern part, which today is covered with ice even in summer. “This kind of climate variation has always happened. Some of the warming now is anthropogenic, but it’s not a crisis in the sense that the temperature is going to increase by five degrees in a century and we’re all doomed. We just have to adapt to changes. Some of them are natural and some are not, but they’re not large,” Shaviv explains.
It has been widely reported that both 2023 and 2024 were the warmest years on record. Referring to this rise in temperatures, UN Secretary-General António Guterres already in July 2023 declared that we have entered an “era of global boiling”. Shaviv says that of course, we can have average surface temperatures that are highest if we only look back 100 or 150 years. “If you go back a thousand years it was just as warm. If you go back 5,000 years it was definitely warmer. So, It doesn’t mean much,” he explains.
And if you look at a longer time scale, warmer periods have alternated with colder periods throughout. Also, over the last 100,000 years, the Earth has been in an ice age for most of that time, and the retreat of the ice in Europe and North America happened about 12,000 years ago.
Do extreme weather events prove a climate crisis?
However, it is often claimed in the media that we are in an unprecedented and critical climatic situation and all the reported extreme weather events are said to be proving it.
In reality, there is no indication that most extreme weather events are more frequent or in any way more severe than in the past. Take hurricanes, for example. It’s true that the damage they cause has increased over time, but Shaviv says that’s because more people live near the coast. “If you look at the statistics of hurricanes making landfall in the US, which is a relatively reliable record, then you see that there is no significant change,” he says. Shaviv adds that, in reality, there is not even any reason to expect a warming climate to bring more hurricanes. “Sure, you need hotter waters to generate hurricanes, but you also need the gradient, you need the temperature difference between the equator and the subtropics in order to drive the hurricanes. And warmer Earth actually has a smaller temperature difference. So it’s not even clear ab initio whether you’re going to have more hurricanes or less,” Shaviv explains.
Large wildfires, for example, are also associated with climate warming, but Shaviv says there is no reason for this either. “In the US in the 1930s the annual amount of area which was burnt a year was way larger than what it is today,” he says, adding that the reality is that a large proportion of fires are caused by poor forest management, which fails to clear the forest floor of flammable material.
Towards nuclear energy
In the light of the above, climate change does not make it necessary to abandon fossil fuels. However, Shaviv says we should still move towards cleaner energy. Firstly, burning fossil fuels causes real environmental pollution – in particular coal, which is still on the rise worldwide. Secondly, fossil fuels will run out one day.
But mankind cannot replace these fuels with wind and solar power. “First of all, it’s very expensive. You can see that any country that has a lot of any of those, they pay much more for electricity,” Shaviv says. He suggests looking at electricity prices in countries such as Germany or Denmark, where wind and solar have been developed with billions of euros of government aid, and comparing them with, for example, France which uses nuclear power. What makes this form of energy so expensive is its intermittent nature – generation takes place when the sun shines and the wind blows. So to guarantee electricity supply, either huge storage capacity or backup systems, such as gas-fired power stations, are needed.
Shaviv believes that in the future, much more reliance should be placed on nuclear power, which does not have the pollution problems of fossil fuels and, unlike wind and solar, can provide a stable energy supply. However, the critics of this plan remind us of past nuclear accidents – Chernobyl in Ukraine, Three Mile Island in the USA and Fukushima in Japan. Each of these accidents had its own causes – in the case of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, technical defects mixed with human error, and in the case of Fukushima, natural forces, in other words, the earthquake and tsunami. In the case of Fukushima in 2011, however, no one died as a direct result of the accident at the nuclear power plant (though thousands of people died as a result of the tsunami that devastated the coastline).
Shaviv says there is no point in comparing the safety of nuclear plants that have suffered accidents in the past with today’s technology. “I don’t think it’s going to be a problem in the sense that we can have an extremely safe design,” he says, adding that the wider deployment of nuclear power will happen whether the West joins in or not. “If you look at China, which is energy-hungry, they don’t care about public opinion as much as we do in the West. And they don’t have as much problem with regulation. So they’re just going to run forward and instead of building or opening a coal power plant every few weeks, in a few years, they’re going to be opening a nuclear power plant every few weeks,” Shaviv says. He adds that the West would also be wise to participate in this development, rather than moving in the opposite direction.
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Let’s face it, the vax is a killer.
What’s holding down public outrage is organised, serial denial from MSM’s failure to investigate and a government that can’t admit it made such a massive, deadly decision to mandate it.
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The Covid “vaccines” are one of the greatest scandals in human history: immense fortunes made, as people across the globe were lied to and bullied in order to submit themselves to repeated injections.
None of this would have been possible without the active collaboration of governments and media organisations.
Amidst all the talk of saving the planet, what we’re not talking about is saving humanity. If we let those responsible get away with this, we are lost.
You forget the stupidity of the masses. None of this would have been possible without the sheer volume of people no longer able to think for themselves. I blame Big Tech. more than anyone actually; the left-wing, peer-approval obsessed culture they have created was a massive influencer in the sheep-like mentality the masses followed.
I do not believe that human beings are inherently, intrinsically stupid en masse.
Nor, I think do you. You refer to people “no longer” able to think for themselves, and I agree that there are many – far too many.
But I’ve learnt that hunts for whom to blame are not enough, and they can end up becoming a distraction. It’s what and whom “the masses followed” that concerns me; and how to do something to stop this from ever happening again.
Nope, we disagree chap, I do think people are stupid en masse. Incredibly stupid. Anybody that follows without questioning is a huge problem. These are the people that fed Nazi Germany and will feed any evil as long as it’s socially acceptable. We definitely disagree. But that’s fine, that’s what free speech and open discussion is all about – I don’t agree with you, but I respect your opinion.
I think you both make valid points. In my opinion there’s a mixture of people; the stupid, the gullible, the apathetic, the intellectually lazy, the scared and propagandized and those who got jabbed under duress ( no jab no job, for e.g. ). The many that toe the line do so for a variety of reasons and could easily be a combo of the above.
Some psychologists break down humans into 3 basic types :-
20/60/20.
20% do critical thought.
60% just follow the herd, ie MSM.
20% don’t think – they are the lynch mob mentalists, ie the first in line for salvation via the jab.
Holds good throughout history, last big one WW2 Germany.
Parallel with Covid.
If you ever wondered why so many decent people just stood and watched as Germany descended into Fascism, well, you know now…
Thinking for yourself is career armageddon in quite a few workplaces. No matter how evil external events might be, it is completely unacceptable to do anything but turn the other cheek, keep your head down and let the world evolve as it will.
What’s more, people who enforce such obedience tell the whole world what ‘good people’ they are, when they aren’t using mobile phone tracking technology to follow their employees outside of working hours.
That sounds more likely than the 30/40/30 version I’ve also heard.
And maybe we’re inclined to associate to associate conformity with decency. When decency is tested, we can get a shock.
I saw an interview with a nurse in one of the early London protest marches. She said that if you wanted to know how you would have behaved in Nazi Germany, you were about to find out.
At the time, I thought that was a bit rough. Now I think she was spot on.
No worries – likewise. I thought you meant that there was a time when people could think for themselves!
At the end of the day health is a personal responsibility. That being said the actions of governments, Big Pharma, Big Medicine, Big Media/Big Tech and importantly Big Oligarch money have reached a level of criminality that is absolutely staggering. Many heads must be made to roll.
The masses have been brainwashed in a military standard psyop – most are in a state of induced, irrational, fear psychosis and have had no choice as their ‘rationality’ has been by-passed and they are currently still ‘hypnotised’.
Others are simply in denial, as they cannot face the reality of what they may have done to themselves.
The last factor is the ‘spiral of silence’ – conformity to majority opinion and action gives them a sense of belonging – ‘not rocking the boat.’
Sadly, their Vaccine ‘boat’ has been jabbed full of holes.
Absolutely bang on AE.
Absolutely true!
What is holding down public outrage is the Ukraine conflict. Its a great way to divert attention from our home grown crisis which is why the Fat Fraud is anxious to prolong the war to keep the heat off of him.
Anxious enough to escalate it, rather than helping seek a peaceful solution.
Not only that! He has ‘volunteered’ to be the No 1 Cheer Leader for hit war with Russia!
“Off his trolley” comes to mind!
The Ukraine Conflict is about the USA selling Arms to other NATO countries to send to Ukraine. The UK has zero freedom to move because the country is now a complete satrapy to the USA.
Yes, Senile Biden effectively dictates ‘policy’ ( !) to the Fat Fraud (with the help of Bill Gates of course).
“a government that can’t admit it made such a massive, deadly decision to mandate it.”
Incompetency theory – utter nonsense.
How much longer will the media clampdown on truth be tolerated ?
Mark Steyn”in trouble” on GB News with Ofcom for using Government’ s own stats to challenge the vax ‘narrative lies!
Surely there are still enough half- decent people left in our Parliament and Establishment to make a move against this now life-threatening censorship of “vaccine” truth and the budding Medical-technic tyranny and the crushing of free expression and real science it represents ?
Then again perhaps not …money and the offer of ‘position’ talk.
Is it 140 Tory MPs on the Government payroll or more?
Safe and effective
And if you don’t have at least 4 of them you’ll kill somebodies granny.
“Safe” yes, from exposure as being highly “effective” in stealthily reducing the Global population by 15% – a ‘target’ Gates has actually predicted his planned multiple ‘ vaccines’ will help achieve when the WHO mandates come into force.
The units on the y-axis cannot be correct. 10,000 deaths per 1000 live births?? Presumably the comma should be a decimal point.
Decimals, for some reason they appear in the graph. But it is ten, not ten thousand. Thanks for pointing this out.
Can’t speak for Iceland, but in German speaking lands, they use a comma where we use a decimal point.
The government’s level of competence has always been in question for as long as I can remember, now they need to go, not just the conservatives, the whole lot!
This has nothing to do with competence and everything to do with complicity.
Competent in complicity, incompetent in good governance. As a gesture of goodwill.
It is large central government we must destroy. Nothing that big can be functional.
Yet another idea propagated by dissidents – that the mRNA injections harm pregnant women and their children – is shown to be true. It’s almost impossible to comprehend. I am just so grateful my family and I saw these criminals coming and avoided the jabs like the revolting plague that they are. Only last week, my wife got into a very heated discussion with an erstwhile friend who called her a ‘conspiracy theorist’ because she was unjabbed. He later admitted he had read NOTHING on the ‘vaccines’ whatsoever and taken it on blind faith that the NHS would never harm the public. Eventually, he asked her to send some stuff she had read. Needless to say she has not – at this point, is it worth it?
It is worth it – I have “converted” a few people simply by sending them the credible sources to do their own research. Telling people doesn’t work, helping them work it out for themselves does.
I’m glad to hear it. Along with the closed minds, there are always those who keep the door ajar.
My best result (to my mind) was with a friend who decided not to take the booster and to have an argument with her doctor. She’s very feisty and now at work converting others.
In her case, a friendship going back more than two decades meant that I had a good idea of which sources she would find credible.
I converted my mother-in-law, which was tremendously painful and required some real maturity on her part. But beyond that, my general approach has been to see covid as a litmus paper to determine who I want to have a relationship with. I’m simply not interested in gullible morons.
I have a similar approach. Judging by the sheer number of masked morons I encountered while doing the weekly shop today, I’d say those who are awake to all of this have a very small pool to choose from when it comes to friendships.
Yep, same. It certainly separates the wheat from the chaff in that regard. My Christmas card list certainly got shorter!
Ha yes so did mine. And the number of colleagues I now get on with dwindled to one!
Yikes – that must be a tad awkward in the staff room at times!
Deeply awkward.
Apologies – a tad doesn’t come close then.
Hopefully you can scroll here on your phone for a bit of sanity during lunch break / free periods if it all gets too much.
If it wasn’t for my colleague who is a fellow traveler I would have gone insane! And yes DS is a permanent fixture on my screen!
Assortative mating, in other words? It’s gone on for generations.
Getting that way – sad yes, but life is getting all too short to waste so much time and mental energy with sneering ‘sheepies’!
Sadly, most simply cannot.
Eventually, he asked her to send some stuff she had read. Needless to say she has not – at this point, is it worth it?
I don’t think so. A colleague asked me to do this. I was cautious, because my instinct was that his mind was entirely closed on the subject and that he would read anything I sent him accordingly.
That proved to be the case, and it almost destroyed what was previously a good relationship. To his credit, he made the effort to mend fences, and we have done so; but I won’t waste energy on the subject again – not with him.
I remain concerned by how many people’s minds are closed on so many subjects. Yours, if I’m reading your posts correctly, is not.
I don’t either. It was so insulting because he must have imagined this was like, a website we’d seen or something! The truth is that I’ve got a folder on my desktop called EVIDENCE 2020-2022 with literally hundreds of papers, articles, videos, etc painstakingly gathered together showing vaccine harm from endless sources around the world. The idea that we’ve just watched a video on YouTube or something is just so infuriating. As far as I’m concerned, at this point, if you still haven’t sussed what’s going on then keep taking your boosters, man. The 5th should be along soon.
What the morons don’t realise is that we’ve become experts over the last two years while they fannied around reading headlines and doing zero critical thinking.
Most of the people I know have spent the last 2 years baking banana bread, watching Netflix box sets and following Joe wicks exercise routines.
Whatever floats your boat of course. But in my case I knew that I could never have the jab so had to research it to arm myself with the information if ever I was put in a situation where I would be forced to have it.
All the research I have done has totally vindicated that decision – in spades.
I started the same. It was a position of No and a demand to be convinced otherwise. It never came. What did come was a mountain of evidence verifying my original position as the correct one.
Indeed Be Bop – a veritable mountain of evidence. That file is the one I open and add to every day – and then there are the other two – it is like a full time job!!! I have a file just for the vaxx alone.
Exactly. I knew about Agenda 21 and 30 by May 2020. And since this scam started I have read and read and read and I continue to do so daily, much of the reading suggested by the good people on here.
The only people who have more knowledge than me about our current predicament are all on this site. My circle of family and ‘friends’ won’t discuss or pretend this is now all over. This site keeps me sane.
And me.
Tried to talk to elderly mother yesterday who is worried about developing (?) dementia about what she needed to do to avoid it (I think she already has it in the early stages) ie have no more blinking jabs.
In response she did something akin to “la la la la la la”. What do you do in that situation?
Don’t give up. A cousin of mine thought he was getting nowhere with his parents, until the day his father began to change his mind.
Maybe it was the day, or the number of attempts – but at last, something clicked.
He was lucky – I have tried so many times now and am getting no-where. They didn’t even get the significance of partygate when I explained it to them. It is like the more I try the more they dig their heels in plus every jab they have does more damage to their brains and their ability to take in what I am trying to explain. They really just don’t want to know.
I have family members who weren’t open to discuss actual data on climate because by doing so they would have to have arguments with the sheep in the Labour Party, of which they were a member.
I’ve never before or since come across a university graduate who had data explained to them, agreed with it, then actively chose to return to the claptrap for socio-political reasons.
But it happened….
I cannot talk to ANY family members about our current situation. My Dad is nearly 90 but dutifully turned up for injection number four. He knows my views.
At times I feel I am talking to the waking dead.
Pissed off – you bet.
Exactly the same HP – talking to the waking dead is a good way to put it – and yet these are my family – I love them and want them to have the best quality of life they can – and getting jab after jab and pretending that bad things aren’t happening won’t deliver that for them
Every jab – more damage . No brain or immune system left soon.
It is all around us.
That is what I am seeing David – and every day it is more painful to watch when you know the truth of what is being done to people.
It all depends on whether a mind has been opened in general terms or not. My experience is that there are relatively few whose minds are really open in some spheres and totally closed in others. You’re either open minded on most things or closed-minded on most in the main.
I think you’re right. In my cousin’s case, both his parents are usually open-minded – but they had been alarmed by the early talk about Covid, and that alarm was constantly being reinforced by government pronouncements and the daily “news”.
I saw that alarm in so many people, and have since learnt the true meaning of people being frightened “out of their wits”.
Get some Melatonin and low does Lithium Orotate.
And do what with it?
I think there are plenty here who have simply abandoned the MSM, both print media and TV, as well as all the MSM websites.
My reactions to those now are a bit like reading racist nazi propaganda. It produces such an emetic effect that it is deleterious to my health to anger myself by exposing myself to such rubbish any longer.
Yep – I turned it off in March 2020, when I realised that the ABC (Australia’s equivalent of the BBC) had lost all pretence of being a public news service and was simply the governmental propaganda service.
It’s only useful now during bushfires, when it does give regular and usually reliable updates on where there the fires are at any given time.
They think it’s all over – will they actually stand the next shock?
They also appear to think the taking down of Russian and European economies by the Western confected war with Russia and the most blatantly hysterical and distorted propaganda ever seen in this county – even during WW1 and 2 , has absolutely nothing do with the Covid Scam.
No wonder the Elites stopped opposing and finally realised that “Universal Suffrage would, far from threatening them, give them unchallenged power over the masses – forever – as soon as they had developed ‘Mass Media’ !
Mass Media propaganda must be worth 100,000 Armed Police!
If only people would actually read Schwab’s books the “Great Reset” and the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” – it is all in there for all to see!
Then of course there is RFKs blistering exposure of Fauci’s evil career.
La la la la la la …..what’s on Netflix tonight?
I’ve got 3 folders on my desktop – one of them runs to over 200 pages – with links to papers, videos etc a lot of them gathered from people who shared them here. I could publish several books on the subject there is so much information. And I too get irritated when, speaking from a position of a certain amount of knowledge, people treat me as though my position originates from something I read on a blog run by a 16 year old in his mum’s basement.
Respect, fellow covid nerd. Now how do we claim those two years back?
Thank you CG – I wear my covid nerd badge with honour!
We don’t claim those years back unfortunately – but at least we are better informed than those around us. And there is another side effect to it all, my world has literally been stood on its head now. Everything I formerly believed to be true has been proven to be a huge LIE.
I must say I find it very difficult having stated that analysing T-cell responses to Covid was the way to go, not PCR, in May/June 2020 to be told by those who revere scientists who thought about that about 9 months later that I talk off the top of my head. I may never have been an immunologist, but I knew enough as a practicing molecular virologist to know that measuring functional T-cell responses was relevant in a way that PCR data never would be.
Amazingly, when I enunciated the fact that ‘never-ending PCR testing would make the testing companies shedloads but would be a drain on Government finances, whereas T-cell testing would only need to be done occasionally, so profits in the private sector would be less, but Government spending would be frugal but effective’, Jonathan van Tam resigned/was sacked within 24hrs.
Must have been a coincidence, eh?
Denying knowledge or eductaion is part of eh great “dumbing down” – the talking parrot’s opinion is seen just as valid as the ( old style) MA in Propaganda Studies and Behavioural Psychology.
Remember we are all equal…innit?
No problem – I don’t read the 5th!
But, like you, I read widely on this – and I have my folder too. I used to print out select pieces for friends and colleagues in great numbers, but have learnt to be more selective.
It is insulting. Everyone I know thinks I’m completely crazy.
My mother was undecided about having her 4th jab, so I sent her a link to the Mark Steyn show from last week. Somehow watching this persuaded her to have it.
Another friend refused to watch it saying it was a right-wing channel.
Unless it’s on the BBC it hás no credibility in their eyes.
My mother’s argument was that if it was true that the triple jabbed were twice as disposed to covid and hospitalisation [three times more likely to die],
the government wouldn’t be promoting it.
Most people can’t get passed the idea that their leaders have anything other than good intentions.
Despite the fact that in her lifetime she witnessed Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and
Pol Pot.
I’ve avoided discussing vaccine harms and focused solely on efficacy but it’s got me nowhere. Does anyone know of any article from ‘credible’ sources’ that might be persuasive?
CG I believe it was you that hypothesised under a recent article that to create chaos [societal breakdown] the truth about vaccines would be slowly revealed to create the carnage from which a NWO could emerge. I’m inclines to agree.
Best wishes to you all from Southern Europe.
*inclined – autocorrect
Best wishes to you too! Yes it was me and one of my twisted fantasies (that have a habit of coming true)
Often what’s needed is the right trigger. What triggers you and me to enquire may not be what triggers others to do likewise.
Maybe we ‘early adopters of skeptical reason’ need to spend time understanding what alternative triggers might work on those more easily duped??
I think it’s through generally poking fun at the reliability of governments and the media. Very few people will admit that they believe everything they are told by them.
Perhaps by assuming a degree of scepticism, we can encourage it to grow?
I’m sure Mark would be shocked and surprised by the contrary effect of watching his show!
My thoughts exactly!!!
One thing’s for sure – if you don’t argue your case you won’t ‘convert’ them.
You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
That’s true but I don’t want to be gaslighted by nursery level intellects who read news headlines in passing and think the government has their best interests at heart. Life’s too short.
You do – that is true.
But this isn’t a game of tennis we are playing here.
I am going to have to try to continue to retain the best possible relationships I can with the family members who are all jabbed. I have to ask myself, particularly with the elderlies who are all triple jabbed, whether I can inform them and educate them without scaring the bejaysus out of them. It is very difficult and a requires me to walk a very fine line.
Quite right. And over time, you improve – you get better at spotting an opening.
Indeed I have the same issues with a friend. He was pro-vax (“how did I know that I had had Covid?” (Chillblains on toes)). In the end we agreed to differ and not talk about it anymore. He then lamented the early death of Shane Warne (about our age). I said nothing at that stage. 2 years of pro-vax propaganda leads to almost insurmountable cognitive dissonance.
If we are correct, then time will eventually open the ‘eyes wide shut’ with the unexpected arrival of the Grim Reaper in dramatic form!
I recently had a similar conversation with my, triple vaxxed brother. I asked him why he has car, house, life insurance, I then asked why those who have acted to protect themselves from what the experimental vaccines ‘might’ cause are called ‘conspiracy theorists/nutters’ and not, sensible people taking out an insurance policy…. He had no answer.
I’m not surprised, there is no answer!!
Yes – that’s an excellent approach, Catee. I might try it!
He probably thinks that his vaccination IS an insurance policy. It isn’t, it’s an act of wilfully increasing your risk profile in a way that should see your actual life insurance premiums rise slightly.
It actually cancels insurance policies according to some Insurance Agencies who argue that death after and attributed to ‘vaccination’ is ‘suicide’ as it was a choice ‘freely made’ by those who knew the risks(!)
It doesn’t harm enormous numbers, the point is that it doesn’t seem to do any good to the ones it doesn’t harm. So you have a non-efficacious vaccine which causes harm to a small subpopulation.
Not something any Government should be wasting money on.
Give it time – what about VAIDS and cancers?
If they ask I definitely think it is worth sending something, but it’s got to be solid. Doctors for Covid Ethics is the best for me. Too late for them so best to warn them on what they’re about to read and comfort them with the fact that this stuff may wane over time. However recent research shows that the vaccine stays in the bloodstream for up to a year m, meaning absolutely billions of both the Mrna messenger and toxic lipids carrying them are circulating all over their bodies. They won’t even know what’s happening to their bodies – doesn’t have to be obvious. Only thing that could completely save them is if the whole stuff around only certain batches being concentrated turns out to be true.
Otherwise the key thing now really is to persuade people to not go further with boosters. I think a huge percentage of the population regardless will be thinking twice the next time this topic comes up, and I’m sure it will. A million dollars it will involve the dropping of MRNA.
Yes, that one’s hard to beat. Canadian Doctors for Covid Ethics also can be a winner.
Why is “genocide “a word we hardly ever hear used ?
I find it really hard to temper my contempt for anyone who agreed to have this stuff injected into them. It was a pack of obvious lies. The confected need for them, the so-called clinical trials, the sinister marketing campaigns, the fraud, the bribery, the television shills, the history of Big Pharma especially Pfizer, the fact they don’t do what vaccines do, the shifting goalposts, the epidemiologically meaningless passports. How many goddamn red flags do you need to say actually I think I’ll give it a miss.
That 80% of the population stupid, ignorant and naive enough to miss all of that not only endangered their own lives and the lives of their children, but us too by helping to normalise the idea of state-sponsored experimentation.
We must never forget and never forgive this crime.
Yes I agree and share your contempt for the gullible, traitorous fools who brought this on themselves and shafted society as a whole due to enabling those in power to proceed with their nefarious agenda. These very adults, who are so thick at this late stage that they still obediently do as they’re told and follow whatever instructions they are given, are the very same kind of people who will tell their kids not to talk to strangers or to get into cars with people they don’t know. Yet they’ll quite happily and compliantly oblige and go get their kids jabbed without the slightest hesitation. They’re the sort that will put more thought and research into buying a new air fryer than what they’d do before rocking up to have a novel medicine injected into themselves repeatedly, which patently does not work and is now proven unsafe. Tragic and shameful.
They were sitting ducks.
I could think of another word to describe them that sounds very similar. To be honest, I’m tired of them. They are unwilling to entertain the notion that they’ve been had big time, not even for a microsecond.
I know what you mean. It’s boring AF now. Let them learn the hard way. They’re adults at the end of the day, and allegedly “competent”, so what else can we do?
I think come this winter (or a 4th jab – whichever does the same job sooner) a lot of people are going to learn a very unpleasant lesson.
And they are going to be watching the comparatively healthy unjabbed and left wondering – why are they OK? why did I take those jabs? why did they not take them?
Yes I’m of the same mindset. This upcoming ‘flu season’ will be interesting, to say the least. My biggest dread is that they’ll start encouraging the tests again and all of that BS will get ramped up and before you know it, hello another ‘casedemic’, then the inevitable restrictions that we know they won’t hesitate in implementing once more.
In my house I’m unjabbed but my husband’s had both Moderna shots, so we’re quite an interesting mini experiment. He got Covid ( or a positive PCR anyway ) despite his jabbed status but nothing at all to write home about. I’ve been perfectly well throughout so I guess we keep on keeping on. Just hope he doesn’t cave and get jab no.3…
Oh God Mogwai – I have no idea how you manage that at home but am sure there are others in the same boat. I have heard of anecdotal reports of relationships breaking down because of entrenched positions within couples of one taking the jabs and one refusing.
Yes it has been challenging but we’re in the eye of the storm atm and have summer to plan for and enjoy. I’ll keep chipping away at his cognitive dissonance in subtle ways though, otherwise world war 3 will kick off. Again! lol
Good for you – I admire your spirit!
Goodness me that sounds difficult. I’ve seen couples find themselves in very different places over the last two years. It sounds like you’ve got through it ok though. Even in my house, despite our shared perspective, my wife and I have been at odds over it (largely due to my general pessimism and annoying obsession with it!!)
Yes it tends to be an area that is best left alone and never brought up. A bit like the Ukraine situation. They are both ‘no go zones’ due to us being completely polarized. But he is a BBC-lover so is it any surprise? I’m hoping by me retaining the unjabbed, unmasked ( they’d better not bloody re-emerge in future either! ) status and continuing to challenge his set of beliefs here and there, the pennies might start to drop as he sees that I’m totally fine. The truth will out, as they say.
My best friend is in a very similar situation with his (GP) wife. The vaccines must not be mentioned in the house and it’s a topic that has nearly destroyed their marriage. All I can say is hold the line, I believe very strongly that you’re on the right side of matters and I hope he can eventually see it!
This winter’s lessons will be based on heating bills, which is all about Ukraine, not about Covid19.
True.
That’s slightly misleading, in that most NHS patients are ‘lay people’ and not ‘clinicians’. The latter are duty-bound to give patients the best professional advice. (In the current circumstances, ha ha ha, but you know how it’s meant to work in theory…)
As Anna de Buisseret said, military-grade psy-ops. invalidate even so-called ‘informed consent’. So the a) litigious and b) rich who’ve been conned (and injured) should consult a lawyer.
Here’s a few absolutely necessary pieces of advice that clinicians should have been legally bound to give in late 2020.
Yep. Just keep taking those boosters.
Sitting ducks
Silly f*cks
Total schmucks
It was more understandable for 70-100 year olds who were relatively near the front of the queue. Some woke up PDQ though (by spring 2021) and would now sue the NHS and government for malpractice … if they thought they could win.
By the time 20, 30 or 40 y olds were injected, any fool could spot the con. Well, actually, many people failed even that test.
I understand. But those people include family members I love and who still love me (despite my heresy).
I wish with all my heart that they hadn’t agreed to the injections (some were forced to do so in order to keep jobs they needed – the mandates are massive in Australia); but I’m saving my rage for those who lied to trusting people and coerced others.
You are right, of course. I think I’m having a bad day. I know the right thing to do is to continue to show love and understanding towards people who were psychologically and physically assaulted by the state, but so many of them have attacked or mocked me for disagreeing, it’s really hard!
It is hard – very hard.
I am in the invidious position that the only other person in my family who has the same stance as me is the black sheep – we’ll call him Mr X.
Not generally known for his massive brain power (over the years he has done some dreadfully stupid, reckless and dangerous things in his time), but somehow he very early on got on the right side of this debate and posts a lot of stuff about it on his facebook page, which for some reason my mother reads – principally I think to deride him for not toeing the government line and following the narrative.
When I try to point out to various family members what is going on, the fraud, the propaganda, The Science, the jab deaths etc I am then told, “you are just like Mr X” which is very hurtful and totally negates the credibility of my evidence and position.
At times it has occurred to me, that they are all the more determined to go along with the narrative and comply with every edict forced on them, primarily to make sure their position is the very opposite of Mr X, because there is no way Mr X could be right and they could be wrong, as they consider him to be a total idiot while they are intelligent educated people.
You don’t have to be overly intelligent or educated to smell transparent, stinking bullshit. That’s possibly part of the problem. Perhaps many of the ‘educated’ types who bought the lies lacked the good sense to see the bloody obvious.
Unfortunately I know a lot of “educated types” who are also very law abiding and compliant – very “with the programme”, as opposed to ‘kicking against authority’ which is how some people regard my stance.
I have had said to me “everybody else is doing it, why can’t you?”
To which I silently reply in my head “because I can see through it – why can’t you?”
Just because everyone else signed up to the killing fields in 1914 didn’t mean that your grandparents should have been forced to…
Being ‘educated’ means having gazillions of minutiae and technical methodologies rammed down your throat. It doesn’t mean stepping back and asking the bleedin’ obvious questions first.
Keeping their noses clean and not challenging authority by “rocking the boat” was their principal means of climbing up the greasy pole .
Most enjoy being manipulated into orthodoxy, it makes them feel ‘comfortable.’…and that nasty little new 4 letter word the ‘Controllers’ now love … “safe”.
Ha I have EXACTLY the same thing in my family. I also have a Mr X (my wife’s brother!!) oh well, I don’t know about you but I’d rather be an unvaxxed fruitcake than a vaxxed normie!
Oh, I am prepared to take unvaxxed fruitcake every time – none of the vaxxed normies I see are what you would call glowing with health!
It is hard having a Mr X – because that person’s total absence of credibility on anything then rubs off on the very cogent and sensible points you are trying to make to your nearest and dearest about just the most important thing in life – their health (or fully jabbed lack of it!)
Smearing the knowledgeable is always the first retreat of the ignorant bullies. I’ve seen it across all fields of life and the levels of ignorant bullies in senior medical positions is truly frightening.
Yes – being knowledgable is *not* a good way to get ahead.
You are right there.
“Black Sheep”….strong, independent survival instinct!
Not afraid to be different.
‘Black sheep’ was best generic way to try to describe him – but what you are describing (independent survival instinct!
Not afraid to be different.) while it would describe me does not describe Mr X
Mr X is not someone whose opinions on anything would be regarded as having any credibility. In general if Mr X was advocating doing X your default option would be to do the opposite.
Which explains why it is a crying shame that of all the things he has to be ‘right’ about it is this one – which matters so much!
Those forced to be injected to keep their jobs need a class action suit against a class of employers and they need to name the management, shareholders and if appropriate, senior Government officials as named defendants in a corporate malpractice suit with no limit to damages set.
It’s happening!
I’m struggling to keep it together with some of my stupid friends. Anyone who actively defends the jabs is gone from my life.
My experience of this is that to stay happy and ignorant really means you didn’t go through emotional adolescence.
You’d be amazed how many people never went through that process.
If you went through that and you succumb to the claptrap, you are doing so as an actor, not because you believe in it. You are scheming and posturing, not actually talking about what you believe in. That does tend to be easier for sociopaths and psychopaths than those with consciences…
Well, the fact remains that the Establishment is full of the vaccinated, unbelievable number of doctors, MPs, civil servants, scientists, University staff all jabbed.
likewise, but I guess if it’s depopulation they want then you’re in luck.
The elephant is getting too big to fit into any room. But still they ( both ‘sheeple’ and ‘powers that be’ ) don’t acknowledge it and choose to look the other way. If the jabs have killed ‘X’ amount of people thus far, how many more deaths will they be responsible for in another 12 months, for example, both directly ( jabees ) and indirectly ( unborn and newborn babies )?
Ooooh I’ve offended 2 people ( and counting! ) in less than 20 mins without a single swear word. Must be a personal record!! LOL
I’ve offended them too. I think they should have the maturity and decency to say why they disagree, or fuckin do one!
I think they’re on the wrong website, though almost certainly the usual lurking trolls. “Haters gonna hate”, so they can kiss it! Mwahahaha…
Well done Mogwai.
Cheers m’dears.
Look, if we actually want discussions not to be simply an echo chamber of one viewpoint, you need to offend a few people. I get offended on certain websites regularly but keep going back because I don’t want to be in cultures of mutual reinforcement.
I read websites run by Russian emigres about Ukraine because I know they will view the world differently to the UK. Sometimes I disagree strongly with them, but mostly I read and absorb, because whether it is all accurate or not, it educates me about how those from different parts of the world see the world.
He’s so wise isn’t he? He’s like the Obi-Wan of the vax world. Gotta love Dr Malone.
He’ll be the scientific advisor to President Robert F Kennedy.
In my dreams.
Same dreams. What an impressive man.
Nothing to see here …
They will blame the virus.
So there are a few obvious questions to ask here:
The first rule of data analysis is the truism: ‘correlation does not equal causation’.
having just read all of 121 comments below I would like to add this.
After spending 10 weeks in the UK last year I was still unable to understand how many people were taken in by the corona crap. Bear in mind that I do not have a TV here in Thailand and everyone who I visited either did not have one or turned off the TV.
However as I had to spend 14 days in quarantine when I got back here I had a choice of three English speaking channels to use – BBC, ABC and Al Jazeera.
I tried the first two and it was only convid propaganda which I turned off in disgust or else I would have hurled the TV off the verandah. Needless to say Al jazeera was the one I watched as it did at least have some world news. I have to say it was only then that I understood how people had been mesmerised by the convid crap.
As an aside I have just given two of my friends a farewell hug as they are off to the UK next week. One has been ‘diagnosed’ with the ‘rona and the other thinks he will get it.
Remaining unjabbed I reckon I will be ok. So their three jabs each worked well didn’t they?
We know the “vaccines” aren’t ‘safe’ – we need answers and prosecutions not more ‘questions’!