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What Do Keir Starmer, David Cameron and Boris Johnson Have in Common?

by James Alexander
21 March 2025 9:00 AM

I recently wrote about party politics. One of the points was to say that the Conservatives have a habit of adopting a policy of ‘Dish the Whigs’. This is, in effect, where reactionaries and conservatives steal the clothes of the progressives and liberals. If I am on the politics of the dark side I should steal your bright ideas: since I know that I can dragoon my supporters in the usual political manner and, in addition, I can ensure the success of my policy since it will appeal to the visionaries on your side of the House of Commons. This policy was invented by Disraeli in the 1860s. But the trick has been repeated: by Churchill in the 1950s, by Cameron in the 2010s, and, most sadly of all, by Johnson in 2020: when he dished the entire country by abjectly, although ineptly, putting forward a policy that the deranged NHS post-Corbynistas and Brownite big spenders could have no single possible objection to, since it satisfied all their inner Susan Michie/Independent SAGE/Soviet Communism: A New Civilisation? type urges.

Well. In fact, Keir Starmer reminded me that ‘Dish the Whigs’ is in fact a species of a genus. Since the trick is not only one that can be played by Right on Left. It can be played by Left on Right. A few days ago, in fact last Thursday, Starmer took off his tie and told an audience that he wants to abolish NHS England. Yes, indeed, there are policies that are, in effect, ‘Dish the Tories’ policies. These include almost everything to do with war. Ukraine and all that. Arm Europe. Yes, it causes mild discomfort on the Labour Left, but most of Labour can be managed politically. But there is compensation, as the ravenous Conservatives are only too happy to cut spending on benefits, abolish an institution, spend more on armed forces, perhaps have a war or two.


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RTSC
RTSC
5 months ago

They’re all WEF-supporting Globalists …. who don’t give a 4X for the British people.

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Art Simtotic
Art Simtotic
5 months ago
Reply to  RTSC

Indeed. Davos over Westminster every time. Treasonous weasels, respectively slippery, full of wind and porcine.

Last edited 5 months ago by Art Simtotic
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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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It is not just that.

The policy of Austerity over the past 14 years has been destroying economies across the EU. Austerity is an economic dogma for true believers but sadly in 2500 years it has only ever achieved the opposite of what it is supposed to do. Cuts and tax increases during a recession deepen the recession and increase government borrowing to compensate which if adhered to leads to a continuous downward economic spiral:

EU’s Monsieur Bonkers of Brussels Caused UK’s Potholed Roads – [and more]
And note these quotes from leading economists and an economic historian:

These quotes from leading economists and an economic historian – [web links are provided in further comments below]:

“Why not slash deficits immediately? Because tax increases and cuts in government spending would depress economies further, worsening unemployment. And cutting spending in a deeply depressed economy is largely self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: any savings achieved at the front end are partly offset by lower revenue, as the economy shrinks.

So jobs now, deficits later was and is the right strategy. Unfortunately, it’s a strategy that has been abandoned in the face of phantom risks and delusional hopes. On one side, we’re constantly told that if we don’t slash spending immediately we’ll end up just like Greece, unable to borrow except at exorbitant interest rates. On the other, we’re told not to worry about the impact of spending cuts on jobs because fiscal austerity will actually create jobs by raising confidence.”

Paul Krugman “The Austerity Delusion” New York Times

Austerity: The Great Failure [2014] – Professor Florian Schui University of St. Gallen.

“The conclusions of this survey of the last 2,500 years …. : there are no convincing economic arguments for austerity policies in their current form and there is no compelling moral or political case for them either. Austerity, in its current form, is simply a great failure.”

Chapter 7 Austerity The History of a Dangerous Idea – Professor Mark Blyth:

“In general, the deployment of austerity as economic policy has been as effective in us bringing peace, prosperity, and crucially, a sustained reduction of debt, as the Mongol Golden Horde was in furthering the development of Olympic dressage. It has instead brought us class politics, riots, political instability, more rather than less debt, assassinations, and war. It has never once “done what it says on the tin.”

Austerity is still a dangerous idea: a conversation with Mark Blyth “Who is benefiting and who is losing. That’s really what matters.” Elias Rutten Feb 11, 2025

“If we start with the basics: when you’re in recessionary or quasi-recessionary conditions, and the government spends around 40% of GDP, significant cuts lead to two predictable outcomes. First, your debt stock increases due to the denominator effect. As GDP shrinks, the same amount of debt becomes a larger share of the economy. Then you say, “Oh no, look at all that debt; we need more cuts,” and you spiral further into economic decline.

Fiscal rules don’t help either. This is what the British are learning. Cutting spending during a recession effectively creates the recession. That, in turn, worsens the deficit because less tax revenue comes in. Then policymakers point to the deficit and call for more cuts, locking themselves into a cycle of self-harm. This happens every time.”

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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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“Why not slash deficits immediately? Because tax increases and cuts in government spending would depress economies further, worsening unemployment. And cutting spending in a deeply depressed economy is largely self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: any savings achieved at the front end are partly offset by lower revenue, as the economy shrinks.

So jobs now, deficits later was and is the right strategy. Unfortunately, it’s a strategy that has been abandoned in the face of phantom risks and delusional hopes. On one side, we’re constantly told that if we don’t slash spending immediately we’ll end up just like Greece, unable to borrow except at exorbitant interest rates. On the other, we’re told not to worry about the impact of spending cuts on jobs because fiscal austerity will actually create jobs by raising confidence.”

Paul Krugman “The Austerity Delusion” New York Times

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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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Austerity: The Great Failure [2014] – Professor Florian Schui University of St. Gallen.

“The conclusions of this survey of the last 2,500 years …. : there are no convincing economic arguments for austerity policies in their current form and there is no compelling moral or political case for them either. Austerity, in its current form, is simply a great failure.”

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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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Chapter 7 Austerity The History of a Dangerous Idea – Professor Mark Blyth:

“In general, the deployment of austerity as economic policy has been as effective in us bringing peace, prosperity, and crucially, a sustained reduction of debt, as the Mongol Golden Horde was in furthering the development of Olympic dressage. It has instead brought us class politics, riots, political instability, more rather than less debt, assassinations, and war. It has never once “done what it says on the tin.”

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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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Austerity is still a dangerous idea: a conversation with Mark Blyth “Who is benefiting and who is losing. That’s really what matters.” Elias Rutten Feb 11, 2025

“If we start with the basics: when you’re in recessionary or quasi-recessionary conditions, and the government spends around 40% of GDP, significant cuts lead to two predictable outcomes. First, your debt stock increases due to the denominator effect. As GDP shrinks, the same amount of debt becomes a larger share of the economy. Then you say, “Oh no, look at all that debt; we need more cuts,” and you spiral further into economic decline.

Fiscal rules don’t help either. This is what the British are learning. Cutting spending during a recession effectively creates the recession. That, in turn, worsens the deficit because less tax revenue comes in. Then policymakers point to the deficit and call for more cuts, locking themselves into a cycle of self-harm. This happens every time.”

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ELH
ELH
5 months ago
Reply to  iconoclast

Mark Blyth has a great turn of phrase – Mongol Golden Horde and dressage!!

(My economics lecturer once asked us to lighten up our essays with a joke or two or at least a flippant remark – it is a very dry subject isn’t it?)

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iconoclast
iconoclast
5 months ago
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“it is a very dry subject isn’t it“

No. It is what economists make it.

Mark Blyth is an exception. Look him up on YouTube to see and hear him.

In one of his lectures he points to his Scottish accent and amuses and reminds the audience of what he sounds like.

He sounds exactly like Mike Myers’ rendition of the voice of Shrek from the movie, so presumably someone must have pointed it out to him a time or ten so he got his retaliation in first in his lecture.

He puts economics into context and does not bury the reader, viewer or listener in complex mathematics.

Complex mathematics is part of the downfall of economics because linear based mathematical modelling always fails when applied to complex systems like economies.

It is one reason why the late Professor Daniel Kahnemann received the 2001 Nobel prize in economics. He was a psychologist who proved with prospect theory and other evidence that buying decisions are not made the way economists claim – making swathes of economic theories worthless.

It is also a reason why it is dangerous to believe any forecast based on mathematical modelling. They are always wrong and so are experts:

BREXIT – Science Proves Project Fear “Expert forecasts .. no better than dart-throwing monkeys.”

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CircusSpot
CircusSpot
5 months ago

…. and are making huge sums of money off the back of the British people they hate.

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Art Simtotic
Art Simtotic
5 months ago
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Technique acquired from the arch war- and fund-monger, Sir Bliar.

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CircusSpot
CircusSpot
5 months ago
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You are right and I hate Bliar even more that 2TK.

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RTSC
RTSC
5 months ago

I believe the main (maybe the only reason) Two-Tier announced the abolition of NHS England so that “it can be returned to democratic control” is so that it can be more effectively weaponised by Labour at the next General Election.

I predict the slogan they will use ….. “Three Weeks to Save the NHS” …… from the awful Nigel Farage/Reform who, he will claim, want to privatise it American-Style …… despite the Party’s repeated insistence that their policy will ensure that it will remain free at the point of delivery.

Playing Politics with the Nation’s health service …. again. It’s worked so well in the past.

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Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
5 months ago
Reply to  RTSC

The heir to Blair formed NHS England. A new quango type organisation beloved of the New Labour era.But in reality it’s an admission that these types of organisation are worse than centralised control. This is not saying in anyway that full commie style systems are better, it just proves that semi fascist style systems do not work. So I wonder if the present bunch of commies will abolish a few more quangos.

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Solentviews
Solentviews
5 months ago

It’s worth watching the recent Triggernometry interview with Johnson. I knew he was bad but was quite taken aback at how hopeless he was. I can clearly see why the term shopping trolley was used about him.

When it came to his climate change 180 degree change if mind; this was decided when he flew back from Africa. He saw ‘lots of lights on’ all over the Continent, and decided that this number of people must be causing damage…. That was it, no science just an ‘instinctive feeling’. Incredible….

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Keencook
Keencook
5 months ago
Reply to  Solentviews

I started to watch it & found it so depressing that I couldn’t see it through. Viewing someone so haphazard, so bereft of serious thought made me wonder how we ended up with him. And I confess he seemed a beacon of light at the time of that critical election in 2019. How wrong I was & I’m guessing others might think that too?

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Gezza England
Gezza England
5 months ago
Reply to  Keencook

Anyone who has taken a close look at the lying oaf Johnson would have known that he would be a disaster as a PM and not just because you could call him a liar on the front page and not worry about libel as a court has ruled he is a liar. He shares with another absurdly popular politician the trait of not doing detail. He will spout latin-greek gibberish but has no grasp of real facts. And he ended up surrounded by other idiots as anyone remotely intelligent could not bare to work with him.

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Solentviews
Solentviews
5 months ago
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Perfectly summed up!

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Art Simtotic
Art Simtotic
5 months ago

Related law of politics – say you’re going to do something, keep saying you’re doing it, tell everyone you’ve done it, but do nothing.

Rinse and repeat enough times, and move onto the next sleight of politics.

Proof of the NHS England pudding will be in the redundancies.

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DiscoveredJoys
DiscoveredJoys
5 months ago
Reply to  Art Simtotic

Double edged sword though. Osborne talked up austerity but delivered very little – but in the longer term (beyond political consideration) the Conservatives are known for ‘their austerity’.

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Art Simtotic
Art Simtotic
5 months ago
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Two own goals from a Chancellor adept at sticking the ball in the back of the wrong net.

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Gezza England
Gezza England
5 months ago
Reply to  DiscoveredJoys

The ‘austerity’ was only in the minds of the Guardianistas and the BBC.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 months ago
Reply to  Gezza England

And because that story suited the ‘ruling elite.’

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 months ago
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Redundancies?

No chance.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 months ago

There is no mention of the most important news item from yesterday namely Tommy Robinson’s attempt to gain a Judicial Review into the terms of his current incarceration. Kathy Gyngell is absolutely scathing about the blatant mis-reporting by The Telegraph especially but also the BBC.

There is something seriously amiss with DS consistently force feeding Torygraph BS. Anyway enjoy Kathy Gyngell’s inflamed and passionate report.

British justice? It’s a joke.

Presumably the Sceptic report will appear later today.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-report-from-yesterdays-tommy-robinson-hearing/

“Ignoring all this and further points about the absence of legal precedent, skating over breaches under Articles 3 and 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights, the Telegraph‘s report parrots the amazing ‘privileges’ accorded to Tommy – newspeak that flowed from the lips of Tom Cross, the Ministry of Justice’s counsel. Just as I predicted to Norman Fenton yesterday, that was what it was written for too – for the dumbass mainstream media to run as their ‘story’. Which they did. Listing it all – a veritable tick box of exceptional ‘treats’ from hours out his cell, to the number of visits allowed, the phone calls he’s made – ‘bespoke’ in every respect. Just a bit too good, it turned out, to be true.”

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 months ago
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And this is Paul Weston’s comment on the treatment of Tommy Robinson…

“Tommy’s trial represents one of the greatest Miscarriages of Justice this country has ever seen. The Presstitutes who claim to be journalists at the BBC, Daily Telegraph etc are complicit in this crime against humanity.”

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 months ago
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https://www.irishnews.com/news/uk/tommy-robinson-loses-bid-to-bring-legal-challenge-over-prison-segregation-O5IX3BSVNVN3ZE7A4KVXKV2E6A/

The news of the verdict on Tommy Robinson’s hearing is just breaking in the MSM.

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
5 months ago

Easy. They are all weapons grade a-holes

Next question?

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Mogwai
Mogwai
5 months ago
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😂 🤣

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Mogwai
Mogwai
5 months ago

What do they have in common? Three ineffectual male leaders whose loyalties were/are not to the British public they were/are supposed to serve and who royally screwed over the country with varied disastrous results. And Starmer still has a ways to go yet in his ‘demolition derby’ objective at No.10. Plastic patriots and frauds, the lot of ’em. Starmer could do a lot worse than look to the likes of Georgia Meloni to see what effective leadership looks like from somebody who isnt a traitor, doesn’t blatantly despise their country or its populace nor wishes to replace them with third world, death cultist criminals and hostile, knife-wielding degenerates with a superiority complex.

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JXB
JXB
5 months ago

UK politics – all Parties – has been Socialist since 1945. What exactly does the author think a welfare State is, and redistribution of wealth via the tax system, increasing State power over the individual, removal of property Rights, censorship, silencing of dissent?

That’s what the listed ugly sisters have in common.

The only respite was Margaret Thatcher who returned State-owned industries to the private sector but for the most part accepted the UK Socialist State as the established norm.

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Archimedes
Archimedes
5 months ago

All are fully paid up members of the mass immigration; incompatible multiculturalism; facile DEI; WEF brigades.

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