Donald Trump appears to have blamed Ukraine for Russia’s invasion of the country three years ago, telling Zelensky “You should never have started it” and dismissing his anger at being cut out of peace talks. The Mail has more.
“You should never have started it,” the US President said of Kyiv as he took aim at the Ukrainian President for raising concerns that his country had not been at the table in talks between Washington and Moscow on Tuesday.
“I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it’s going very well. But today, I heard, ‘Oh, well, we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years.
“You should have ended it. You should have never started it. You could have made a deal. I could have made a deal for Ukraine,” Trump told a news conference.
After the meeting between US and Russian officials in Riyadh on Tuesday, Trump said he was “much more confident” that a peace deal could be struck.
“They were very good,” he said. “Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism.”
The stunning claim came as Vladimir Putin’s forces launched a blistering aerial attack on the Ukrainian city of Odesa overnight, striking a children’s clinic and kindergarten and leaving much of the city without power.
As fears mount that Washington could force Kyiv into an agreement it doesn’t want, Zelensky said yesterday that he will never accept a deal made without Ukraine’s input, and hit out at the US and Russia for holding talks “behind our backs”.
But Trump responded furiously to his comments, further attacking Zelensky at last night’s press conference in Mar-a-Lago by saying it had been “too long” since Ukraine had held elections for him to have a seat at the table.
Trump insisted this point was “not a demand from Russia”, but “something that comes from me and from many other countries”.
However the claim is straight out of Moscow’s playbook – and failed to mention that Russia’s recent election in 2024 was rigged, with Putin’s foes killed, jailed or exiled, with votes distorted and the media muzzled to give him a landslide victory.
Trump went on to falsely claim that Zelensky is only supported by 4% of Ukrainians. [He said: “He’s down at 4% approval rating.”]
When asked about European countries potentially sending troops to Ukraine, Trump said yesterday: “If they want to do that, that’s great, I’m all for it… I mean, I know France has mentioned it, others have mentioned it, the UK has mentioned it.”
However, he added: “We won’t have to put any over there because, you know, we’re very far away.”
Sir Keir Starmer called for the US to provide a “backstop” for any deal in Ukraine, saying that a security guarantee from Washington would be “the only way to effectively deter Russia” from rebuilding its forces and launching another attack.
As US special representative Keith Kellogg arrived in Kyiv, Zelensky slammed Trump’s team in Saudi Arabia, saying they had been blinded by Putin’s “pathological liars”.
Referring to the overnight onslaught on Odesa, the Ukrainian leader said: “Just yesterday, after the infamous meeting in Riyadh, it became known that Russian representatives had once again lied about not allegedly striking the energy sector.
“Almost at the same time, there was another strike, strike drones against electrical transformers.
“And this was in winter, when it was minus six degrees Celsius at night. At least 160,000 Odessans are now without heat and electricity.
“Thirteen schools, a kindergarten, and several hospitals are left without heating and electricity.
“Repair crews are working, all utilities are involved. I am grateful to every rescuer, everyone who helps people.
“We must remember that Russia is ruled by pathological liars, and they cannot be trusted – they must be pressured for the sake of peace.”
Worth reading in full.
Zelensky this morning replied that Trump is “living in a disinformation space” created by Moscow and said: “I can’t sell our state”:
Volodymyr Zelensky has blasted the United States for “helping” Vladimir Putin “to come out of isolation”, warning that Donald Trump “is living in a disinformation space” created by Moscow.
The Ukrainian President declared that his country is not for sale, disputing Trump’s claims that the US has given Ukraine $500billion and calling the suggestion that Kyiv pay this back with a mineral exploration deal “not a serious conversation”.
“Look, we all want a victory, and we want Trump to win, and we want Ukraine to win, all of us to succeed,” he said. “But there is nothing clear here… I am protecting Ukraine. I can’t sell it away. I can’t sell our state.”
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Hmm, I’m struggling with this one, I think the influx of dinghy people fleeing the famine & tyranny of France might have had a bigger impact.
But hey let’s not blame the refugees, they didn’t ask for their own countries to be blown apart, politicians created this mess, so why expect those that caused it to fix it!
Unjustified wars created these monsters.
What about the swarming majority who aren’t fleeing from a war-torn country, but towards a generous welfare State?
Sarcasm doesn’t always work well in text, unless you know something about France I don’t?
Question though: what has Prevent ever actually prevented?
The only thing I’m aware of terrorist huggers achieving is to make themselves easy targets.
Prevent has prevented Sir David Amess from ever speaking his mind again …
Prevent is a waiting room for future patsies.
MG
It’s hardly surprising if a terrorist government goes soft on terrorism.
I understand from the politicians and media that the reason David Amess died is that people like me don’t use their real name when posting on the internet.
I know I might be going out on a limb here but I don’t think that is the reason he died.
Apparently it’s because of a young man who was already radicalised, was locked in his room for months on end, watching Youtube videos of a guy using his own name and now Mark Zuckerberg, who owns Twitter, has to make everybody use their real names when posting knob gags or cat videos.
The last time I used my real name on some web site, it led to some asshole impersonating me to publish badly written gay porn masking as frantic sex contact requests there, something the people running this site consider to be free speech.
I also don’t believe that anyone ever died (or will die) because I found this rather off-putting.
The biggest terrorist attack against the british people ever may have been perpetrated by the pushers of the experimental covid ‘vaccine’. Details here….
https://www.independentinformation.co.uk/resources/articles/covid-vaccines-safe-effective
some points to remember from this tragedy:
The murderer was not a constituent
What was the murderer doing in another consituency
How did the murderer get an appointment with his victim outwith his constituency?
And is it merely coincidental that the murder victim was a strong proponent against the coercion of the jabs, pro-Brexit and vehemently anti-lockdown……
Occam’s Razor. This was a false flag.
It seems fairly clear that this particular MP was targeted, for whatever reason. It wasn’t a random event.
Also the visitor at no10 last Xmas. I’m not saying that all folks with Somali heritage know each other, but the person who did this is the son of a former political advisor to the PM of Somalia.
The murder of Catholic, Conservative / Tory MP, Sir David Amess on October 15, 2021
On Friedrich Nietzsche’s “God is Dead” 177 th birthday.
It is reported that police refused to allow a Priest to give David Amess the last rites.
The media is already priming it’s audience with “perhaps we will never know the real reason why” …
What nobody is addressing is why his Somali assassin, traveled from his central / north London home, 50 miles to the Essex county coastal town of Leigh-on-Sea to murder a sitting MP, when there are plenty of other MPs holding constituency meetings nearer to home.
This was an attack on democracy.
Here’s why Sir David Amess was murdered :
From the pov of his real assassins, not the nominal patsy, his unforgivable mistake was to be a staunch Brexiteer and member of Leave Means Leave …
David Amess was murdered on October 15, 2021 = 666 days into Boris Johnson’s Tory government – the State Opening of Parliament and the Queen’s Speech and the introduction of the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20, all on December 19, 2019.
The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20 became the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 giving legal provision for ratifying the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.
The UK’s EU Referendum project began when the, then leader of the opposition and future Tory PM, David Cameron, announced that “if he became PM, a Conservative government will hold a Referendum on any EU treaty”. This offer was announced on September 26, 2007 = 666 months after David Amess was born on March 26, 1952 – hence why David Amess was selected as the victim rather than any other Euro-sceptic Tory MP.
October 15, 2021 also, just happened to be = 666 months and 666 days since Boris Johnson was born on June 19, 1964.
Kabbalistically, this is clearly an attack on the Tories for reasons of Brexit. No doubt about it.
Note : This is the second “666 day terrorist attack” on recent Tory governments, both occurring 666 days into their term, the State Opening of Parliament and the Queens Speech.
The first was the 2017 Westminster Attack on March 22, 2017 = the 666 th day of David Cameron’s Tory government which began on May 27, 2015.
I very much doubt whether the patsies are the ones with the keys to the kabbalistic calendar …
MG
Read more on event scheduling and scripts, here :
https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/introduction.html
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“Kabbalistically, this is clearly an attack on the Tories for reasons of Brexit.”
For fuck’s sake, Scottie – beam me up!
RickH – why don’t you get your angst off your chest?
What is it exactly that ails you?
Is this a new information rash or some deeper allergy?
I might be able to help soothe your mood …
No. It’s just that there’s enough total bollocks around without you confecting more garbage and adding it to the heap.
Oh well. If you are only able to spew invective, but are unable to substantiate any of it, maybe I cannot help after all.
In the meantime, a little gripe water, a little sleep followed by some reading with a clear mind, might just help.
Read more on event scheduling and scripts, here :
https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/introduction.html
The murder of Catholic, Conservative / Tory MP, Sir David Amess on October 15, 2021
On Friedrich Nietzsche’s “God is Dead” 177 th birthday.
It is reported that police refused to allow a Priest to give David Amess the last rites.
The media is already priming it’s audience with “perhaps we will never know the real reason why” …
What nobody is addressing is why his Somali assassin, traveled from his central / north London home, 50 miles to the Essex county coastal town of Leigh-on-Sea to murder a sitting MP, when there are plenty of other MPs holding constituency meetings nearer to home.
This was an attack on democracy.
Here’s why Sir David Amess was murdered :
From the pov of his real assassins, not the nominal patsy, his unforgivable mistake was to be a staunch Brexiteer and member of Leave Means Leave …
David Amess was murdered on October 15, 2021 = 666 days into Boris Johnson’s Tory government – the State Opening of Parliament and the Queen’s Speech and the introduction of the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20, all on December 19, 2019.
The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill 2019-20 became the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 giving legal provision for ratifying the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.
The UK’s EU Referendum project began when the, then leader of the opposition and future Tory PM, David Cameron, announced that “if he became PM, a Conservative government will hold a Referendum on any EU treaty”. This offer was announced on September 26, 2007 = 666 months after David Amess was born on March 26, 1952 – hence why David Amess was selected as the victim rather than any other Euro-sceptic Tory MP.
October 15, 2021 also, just happened to be = 666 months and 666 days since Boris Johnson was born on June 19, 1964.
Kabbalistically, this is clearly an attack on the Tories for reasons of Brexit. No doubt about it.
Note : This is the second “666 day terrorist attack” on recent Tory governments, both occurring 666 days into their term, the State Opening of Parliament and the Queens Speech.
The first was the 2017 Westminster Attack on March 22, 2017 = the 666 th day of David Cameron’s Tory government which began on May 27, 2015.
I very much doubt whether the patsies are the ones with the keys to the kabbalistic calendar …
MG
Read more on scrkipts and event scheduling, here :
https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/introduction.html
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Interesting calculations, Mode….rather more than just a “coincidence”, I think.
I don’t think there’s much virtue in publishing disproportionate scare stuff on another topic in a ‘sceptical’ site.
Quite predictably, the random (in the probability sense) nutter attack and killing of Amess has been used by the oppressors for their own ends. You have to guard against being had – yet again. In comparison with the planned Covid scam, ‘terrorism’ is a minor issue.
Apparently Amess was very keen to promote open debate about the vaxport, something this non-democracy is quickly stamping out. This killing has all the hallmarks of a false flag – especially with the MP’s reaction. They’d already decided that freedom of speech online should be shut down and they’ve very clearly chosen this incident as the pretext. Yet the two ends don’t meet. It’s inexplicable that a politician killed by a supposedly angry muslim should result in closing down free speech.
Official narrative can never again be trusted without intense scrutiny.
As I have pointed out before, and been severely reprimanded for, it also scares MPs just before a vote on draconian laws
Precisely. The patterns of “convenient” major incidents happening, to be followed shortly by horrible new laws has become all too common. It really is in your face; well it is in mine, if not in others’
Mine too but when I commented on 16th re news of that day, 3 comments in reply ridiculed and gain-said it. I see some comments that seem to have fallen for government’s standard trick of inciting hatred too. I despair when even scptics do that
The trouble is with terrorism is that it rarely afflicts the right people.
If this had happened to the Scottish fishwife instead there would have been dancing in the streets of Glasgow for a week.
Which terrorists – government?
How many times have governments set someone up to get rid of someone high-profile who is not complying with government?
Government wants to divide and conquer us.
So, useful for government if one set-up can also be used to trick public into rowing about religion, ethnicity etc.
Diversionary tactics often used by culprit as smoke-screen.
Yes. Actual ‘Terrorism’ (a political definition) has had very little impact compared to the other establishment scare story – Covid. The link is the use of both as control narratives.
I’m pretty sure radicalization is among the goals of the current policies. You’d have to be completely brain dead not to understand what they are doing to social integrity, and the only reaction of the perpetrators is to keep pouring more oil into the fire by increasing the censorship and repressions against dissenters. That’s a sure way to convert completely normal people into domestic terrorists.
After all terrorism is an expression of weakness and helplessness mixed with anger against overwhelming forces of some authority which the terrorist (elsewhere known as guerilla/insurgent/revolutionary/freedom fighter etc.) seeks to stand up against regardless of personal sacrifice.
“Terrorism is theater. ”
Brian Michael Jenkins. International Terrorism: A new kind of warfare. 1974
https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/
BTW, today in Germany they shot down the chief editor of Bild, the big boulevard Springer-owned newspaper which frequently criticized government’s handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, Spiegel, the green-communist newspaper which greatly supported all things government all along the way, published revelations about how Bild’s chief editor has “acted inappropriately toward women” during his employment.
So here we have one more “mainstream” newspaper which will not report any more. It’s surely going to piss off many of its rather unsophisticated readers… who knows, maybe some of them will decide to take matters into their own hands and become “terrorists”.
The following article has an interesting take on the motives:
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=88132
Short version: Amess was a Quatar lobbyist. Quatar said to sponsor current acting president of Somalia. Father of murderer tweeted a lot of critical stuff about this person.
Thanks Bob.
Very difficult to make sense of any of that.
I find it very disappointing that the journalism and comments accept without question that the msm like The Times for example will be actually informing it’s audience accurately concerning deep state affairs.
All the media ever do in such cases is tell you what they want you to know. Nothing more. That is reason enough to provoke some independent thinking, rather than slavish, pseudo analysis of stories in The Times.
The really short version would be : The Times – telling you the truth about statecraft and assassinations.
Give me strength.
MG
Ah yes ‘Terrorism’ yet another of those hobgoblins we’re constantly threatened by.. invented by the likes of the CIA, MI6, MI5, and their ilk..