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Labour U-Turns Over University Free Speech as it Brings Back Tory Law – But Removes its “Teeth”

by Will Jones
15 January 2025 7:30 PM

Labour has U-turned over university free speech as it brings back a Tory law clamping down on ‘woke’ cancel culture – but removes its “teeth” by dropping the ability of academics to sue their institutions. The Mail has more.

Labour told woke students they cannot “shut down” debate on university campuses today as ministers U-turned and revived a Tory law protecting freedom of speech.

Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson confirmed she would bring in most sections of the Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Act 2023 after a major revolt by academics. 

The law’s introduction was paused after Labour’s election win in July, with sources branding it a “Tory hate charter” and suggesting it could be repealed entirely.

It acted against “cancel culture” on campuses after a wave of protests targeting people with controversial views on issues including gender ideology. 

Campuses across the U.K. were the site of protests over the past few years.

But Ms. Phillipson told MPs today the pause would be ended, saying that “fundamental freedoms” had to be protected.

“These fundamental freedoms are much more important than the wishes of some students not to be offended,” she said.

“University is a place for ideas to be exposed and debated, to be tried and tested .. it is not a place for students to shut down any idea with which they disagree.” …

However, Ministers will remove part of the legislation that would allow academics to seek damages from their university for impingement of their freedom of speech. …

Shadow Education Secretary Laura Trott today said: “Given Labour used to call this a ‘hate speech charter”, I’m glad they’ve now U-turned.

“However, for this Bill to have teeth it must have the statutory tort included. We will always fight to protect free speech on campus.”

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Bridget PhillipsonCancel CultureConservative PartyFree SpeechHigher Education (Freedom of Speech) ActLabourStatutory TortUniversityWoke Authoritarianism

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago

    The rollout isn’t slow. People don’t want the booster.

    See the comments below this story

    (press ESC as the page loads to defeat the paywall, or the X button in your mobile browser address box)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/18/booster-vaccines-rollout-slow/

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Wow could this actually be evidence that the tide is turning and that the scales are starting to fall from people’s eyes? Well they’ve had 10 months now. I’m sure many got swept away with the manufactured urgency at the beginning of the roll-out, but the evidence as they look around now is at complete odds with what was promised way back in Dec 2020. What happened to “The vaccine is our only way out of this pandemic and back to freedom!”. Or, “The vaccine is for the vulnerable and adults who choose to have it only.” Perhaps not every jabbed person has selective amnesia after all! And the evidence is in the overall sluggish uptake of kids getting injected and now the boosters are illustrating the same. We can but hope the governments are shooting themselves in the foot with their maniacal obsession with getting every human jabbed, all the way down to infants, and people are finally beginning to smell a rat!

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    The government does indeed want everybody jabbed, but not for the reason of protecting against coronavirus. We already know that the “vaccines” offer only negative protection against the fabled Covid, which is hardly too surprising seeing as they were never meant to offer any immunity. The real purposes of these dangerous biological products will have much more to do with depopulation, control and transhumanism than anything else.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Rowan

    Indeed. Anybody who thinks this is remotely to do with a virus at this point in time is a deluded, science-denying, propagandized fool with their head rammed firmly up their arse! A lost cause, in other words. 🙂

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Very aptly summed up.

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    Annie
    Annie
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Get anywhere near government and you’ll certainly smell a rat.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Annie
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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    The government pushed slogans at people, i.e. “safe and effective”. But the need for booster shots every 5-6 months means it wasn’t all that effective. Fool me once, shame on me…

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    Mostly safe and ephemerally effective .

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Ostensibly safe and fleetingly effective™️

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    For the most part safe, and temporarily effective.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Really pretty safe with a great window of effective.

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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Pretty, pretty safe [in Larry David voice]… and with a modicum of effectiveness too.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    On it:
    Listen, there are plenty of things more dangerous out there. Sharks for instance. They’re terrifying. And effective? Well what can I tell you? Yeah. For a good period of time they’re not ineffective…

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    TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
    TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    I’m Cave Johnson and I approve this vaccine!

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

    Please book an appointment for your neurotoxin.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Safeish and effectivelike

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    John Dee
    John Dee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    I preferred it when it was ‘strong and stable’. You knew where you were with that May woman.
    Nowhere.

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    Dead right it was just some marketing slogan, aimed at the gullible masses. Well after 10 months how many will be stupid enough to believe they require boosters, and a fourth shot etc etc? Especially if they aren’t afforded their freedoms back if even more restrictions come in. All the idiots need to do is check out how Israel is doing. A 3rd shot hasn’t exactly won the Israeli public their freedom back, or maybe only for a few months until they’re labelled “unvaccinated” again and require a top up! They’ve been lead up the garden path and that surely will become apparent for most, which will not sit well with them presumably.

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    Jo
    Jo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Blimey – reading those comments is like reading the comments here! Is there hope after all?

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Jo

    One reason I expected Leave to win the Brexit referendum was the evidence of the comments below the line day after day in the Telegraph which diverged so heavily from the media headlines suggesting Remain was ahead.

    I know this is a different situation now – there is no democracy involved, the opposition is not opposing the government and there is no election in the offing in any case. But the scale of opposition in the country is far higher than the media would have you believe and there are far more of us than there are running the country.

    At some point the tide will turn otherwise the country will become ungovernable even with soldiers on the streets. For all their evils, the elites don’t want that in the long term.

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    “the scale of opposition in the country is far higher”

    I see little evidence of that. There is a difference between non-compliance and opposition.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    Yes, non-compliance is a better description.

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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    In the eyes of the jabbers, non-compliance IS opposition. They can’t run the “freedom passes” if half the population isn’t up-to-date with their booster shots.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    They’re not going to get what they want. Pandemic wasn’t scary enough was it? I wonder whose fault that was…. Looking at you Peter Daszak.

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Peter Daszak is but one important player in a cast of thousands.

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    Non-compliance is opposition. If people don’t comply they will be regarded as an enemy of the tyrants in Westminster. There is no middle ground.

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    PartyTime
    PartyTime
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    I agree things are trending in the right direction, although comments are imperfect indicators. If you just looked at online opinions, opposition to the 2011 attack on Libya was almost universal, while in opinion polls 80% of the public supposedly supported it.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PartyTime

    That tells you more about the conduct of opinion pollsters.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Yes exactly. They are designed to shape opinion, not report it. Or, in the case of the 2020 US election, provide credibility for an incredible and fraudulent result.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    That has been clear in the comments made on Daily Mail articles about Covid, lockdown and latterly vaccines.
    They always contained a sceptical element but are now overwhelmingly so.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Yes I don’t go near the Mail as its website drains the power on any device it’s running on but Mrs Dent does and she confirms the comments are overwhelming hostile to The Regime these days.

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    Mr Dee
    Mr Dee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    I don’t go near the Mail as its website drains the power of my soul.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mr Dee

    The comments may bring joy to your soul
    Mr Dee, even some of the ‘most disliked’ as they are so obviously planted.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Likewise when out and about but these days I’m (non covid) housebound and can spend as much time reading comments as I like, rarely read more than the headline bullet points of the articles themselves.

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    misslawbore
    misslawbore
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    It’s worth scrolling to the end of the articles and then back a bit as for some reason you find some actual news there sometimes. But often yes it is pretty much “straight to comments”

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    We are in such the same boat. Mrs Crisigarden is obsessed with it and impervious to my complaints about its content, political bent and clickbaity nature. I do occasionally look at the comments when she shows me and yes they are overwhelmingly hostile to the whole enterprise.

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    Norman
    Norman
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    And those were only the people who chose to subscribe. There are many more (me included) who walked away shortly after Covid arrived.

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Boris Johnson voted you down.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Rowan

    How dare he?! He’s the only Conservative I’ve ever voted for, although in fairness the only reason I voted for him was that he wasn’t Ken Livingstone.

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    Star
    Star
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Just looking at that Telegraph article… It’s absurd to quote a figure for the effectiveness of any of the vaccines against severe symptoms. Such a figure is some kind of average that covers fat boozers such as Boris Johnson, octogenarians with heart disease and respiratory problems, and also those of us who do a lot to keep our immune systems in shape, including for example vegetarians (vegetarianism is associated with a lower risk of suffering severe symptoms from SARSCoV2 – source: BMJ) who get lots of exercise, vitamins C and D, and iron. All that many hear is “vaccine, vaccine, vaccine”, shouted so loud that it blots out the supposed function of any vaccine which is purportedly to strengthen people’s immune systems. And a fat lot of good these ones seem to be doing…

    PS Thumbs up for the “Esc” trick 🙂

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    Bobby Lobster
    Bobby Lobster
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Thanks for the ESC suggestion – I stopped paying for the DT 18 months ago!

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Bobby Lobster

    You’re welcome. I have never paid for the Telegraph, and only check it for the BTL comments.

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    PoshPanic
    PoshPanic
    3 years ago

    An elderly neighbour told me the other day she couldn’t get booked in until early November? She’s been completely captured by the fear campaign and is adamant she gets the 3rd one, even though I keep suggesting she watches a bit less tv.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    Ha! Yes. The first line of defence against coronavirus!

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    Annie
    Annie
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Infallible defence. Ask the Amish.

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    PoshPanic
    PoshPanic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Annie

    I identify as Amish

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    I identify as whatever it takes.

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    Dodderydude
    Dodderydude
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    Ongoing local community Facebook thread in Flintshire:

    “Covid booster. Just wondering if anyone here has been jabbed or had the invite, [I’m] still waiting”
    (Received 30 responses, all gagging for it, samples below)

    “Well, my husband is 79 and is now overdue his by a week and nothing yet”
    “Mine tomorrow”
    “Mine last Wednesday”
    “Mine next Friday”
    “We’re having ours next week”
    ” (blah, blah)
    ” (blah, blah)
    ”
    ”
    “Tried many times to contact by email and phone, to no avail”
    “Took 89 year old mum for hers on Sunday. I cheekily asked if I could have mine too!…I got it!”
    “Something wrong with databases – we know someone over 80 still waiting!”

    Very depressing reading.

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    PoshPanic
    PoshPanic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Dodderydude

    Yes depressing, but it also makes no sense. My best guess is, the booster roll out is completely disorganised for those that want it, combined with a whole bunch of people who won’t go anywhere near it following previous reactions.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    It is completely disorganised.
    As a double vaxxee vulnerable person, NHS(?) have texted and shoddily written* to me (possibly in response to bozo promising to “step up communication” last Monday).
    They tell me to contact my GP Surgery who have told me via individual email and Round Robin text that they are only boosting 75+ and that NHS Booster Central will arrange for ‘my cohort ‘ to be jabbed when it’s our turn.

    This cause me amusement rather than distress.

    *shoddily written: undated, no indication of where within the NHS this missive originated just a pale grey NHS logo, no contact details.
    There are however 4 differently sized QR codes on the letter which might include a great deal of information to which I am not privy. I have no idea if this is normal practice in the public or business sectors these days.

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    Sandra Barwick
    Sandra Barwick
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Dodderydude

    And how are sudden deaths going amongst the 3rd booster babes in Scotland?

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    Rowan
    Rowan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Dodderydude

    In the pub last night my elder brother told me that he had his Covid booster last week following on from the flu shot a couple of weeks earlier. I winced somewhat and discreetly shuffled away up the bench a couple of feet.

    He’s been going visibly down hill since his first jab last January, but last night I was truly shocked to see the state he was in. He was as weak as a kitten, had overall body pain and his eyes were just two slits that were drilling deep down into his skull. He spent the whole hour in the pub struggling to drink a half pint of low strength lager and Monday is all night happy hour. So not his old style.

    Although he’s made of tough stuff, I don’t see him lasting much longer. I had advised him not to take the Covid jabs, but he still believes that the doctor knows best and so I rather feel that’s very much why he is where he is.

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    Judy Watson
    Judy Watson
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Rowan

    That’s so sad to hear

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    Mr Dee
    Mr Dee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    Exactly the advice I was giving to my elderly parents this morning. I asked them to do an experiment by taking a week off watching TV ‘News’, starting from today, then contemplating after that how they felt about taking the booster, and how worried they were about me not being jibby-jabbed.

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    PoshPanic
    PoshPanic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mr Dee

    Unfortunately I fear the damage done to them is going to take more than a week to repair.

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    Mr Dee
    Mr Dee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    We’ll see. I think I’m finally getting through to them, with help from information gleaned from several of the articles on this site.

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    A Y M
    A Y M
    3 years ago

    The cracks are showing.
    Common sense is beginning to seep through the never ending corporatist and state sanctioned propaganda.
    Add this booster refusal to the recent announcement that kids shouldn’t be tested anymore and you think maybe the assholes in power might just be losing their grip?
    I like to think so but these guys will just jump on the next crisis to hype us up into swallowing their agenda…

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  A Y M

    I suppose the COP boondoggle in Glasgow is coming up in November so we will probably move on to wall to wall CLIMATE EMERGENCY next.

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    misslawbore
    misslawbore
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    More really annoying propaganda

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  A Y M

    That’s my (highly partisan) impression too!

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    bOrgkilLaH1of7
    bOrgkilLaH1of7
    3 years ago
    Reply to  A Y M

    And the Davos elites consider us “undesirables” to be what exactly? Argghh yes… hackable animals:

    https://twitter.com/Wimnul/status/1450161728134729731?s=20

    T H I S   O N L Y   E N D S   W H E N   W E   S A Y   I T   D O E S

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    misslawbore
    misslawbore
    3 years ago
    Reply to  A Y M

    Maybe peeps are thinking if it’s not good for the kids maybe it’s not good for me either

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago

    The booster rollout and the teenager vaccine programme which began at the same time certainly haven’t made much of a difference to the graph of the number of daily doses of the experimental biological agent… at best temporarily halting the decline…

    I notice that on the OurWorldInData site, while they have a category for “booster doses”, for the UK there is “no data available”. I wonder if this is because the data that is available tells a politically uncomfortable story.

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    bOrgkilLaH1of7
    bOrgkilLaH1of7
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    https://ourworldindata.org/funding

    B&MGF… shill site

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

    Hiding in plain sight.

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    LovelyGirl
    LovelyGirl
    3 years ago

    This is a good article about where this ideology is taking us; https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/maximum-vaccination?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email

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    Jo
    Jo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LovelyGirl

    Just read this – Mike Yeadon does a comment on it.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Jo

    And a harsh one it is too!

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LovelyGirl

    It does contain the following :

    ” … AND (if) you are still suffering from a raging pandemic of the unvaccinated …”

    suggesting a present condition.

    Of course, there has never been such a ‘raging pandemic’

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    thinkcriticall
    thinkcriticall
    3 years ago

    How many more need to speak up!

    https://twitter.com/Ireland2020/status/1450383492085321729?s=20

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    Mike Oxlong
    Mike Oxlong
    3 years ago
    Reply to  thinkcriticall

    Slightly OT, but someone seriously needs to assassinate that twat Dan Andrews in Oz. Every time I see him I want to beat him shitless.

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mike Oxlong

    Same. Sadistic, power-mad bastard!

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    Catee
    Catee
    3 years ago

    The timing of these pronouncements and Gates’ visit to Johnson are interesting.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Catee

    Boris looking all deferent and fearful. “Sorry master, we were doing so well! We will redouble our efforts!”

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago

    I’m not.
    (Disapponted)
    Know three formerly covid faithful people who aren’t interested and if that’s being played out across the country I’m not surprised ‘officials’ are ‘disappointed’ Good news: we’re not as stupid as officials think we are!

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Haha GET IN!!! 🙂

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    miketa1957
    miketa1957
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    I know it is only anecdotal, but we know someone who was double-jabbed, then was off work for 4 weeks with Covid (paramedics call out, narrowly avoided hospital, so serious but not counted as such). She was also significantly ill immediately after the second vaccination. She how thinks my wife (we are not vaccine hesitant, we are vaccine definite (not)) was likely right; says she is going nowhere near a booster.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  miketa1957

    Yep I know two women who developed DVTs. Both work in the NHS and aren’t going anywhere near a booster. My in-laws aren’t going for theirs (in their early 70s). Another friend has lost the feeling in his arm. It goes on. This degree of adverse events can’t have been part of the plan…..

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    Sandra Barwick
    Sandra Barwick
    3 years ago
    Reply to  miketa1957

    Yup. Quite a lot with bad experiences won’t touch em again.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  miketa1957

    Vaccine hostile was my preferred alternative to hesitant.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Vaccine savvy?

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    Anti_socialist
    Anti_socialist
    3 years ago

    I wonder if Hitchen’s got his booster, anyone seen him boasting? Maybe it’s sinking in, getting “jabbed” doesn’t make you free!

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    FrankFisher
    FrankFisher
    3 years ago

    I have been told that covid passports come in in England on December 17th, regardless of any actual need. I imagine all this fearmongering is to try and justify that authoritarianism

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    Annie
    Annie
    3 years ago
    Reply to  FrankFisher

    Were you the person who was authoritatively told that we’d all be in lockdown by 4 October?

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    Sandra Barwick
    Sandra Barwick
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Annie

    It comes as a welcome surprise that we haven’t been imprisoned for half term. But a surge will come soon.

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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  FrankFisher

    Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas! But first off… Papers Please.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    Gawd bless us ev’ry one with the right QR code.

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago

    We’re once again in that scenario of the definition of insanity : doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

    This isn’t a sampled study – but I’ve come across more people who have had what looks like a genuine SARS infection since the jabs were introduced. All are mild to moderate, (not just other colds), but have certainly outpaced this period in 2020.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    Indeed. The doubly injected are getting colds at an alarming rate. Certainly in my circle – family, friends, and people I come across regularly.

    ADE? Probably.

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    Cecil B
    Cecil B
    3 years ago

    Officials disappointed GOOD

    Officials fulfilled BAD

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    divoc origi 19
    divoc origi 19
    3 years ago

    I think the people that have been jabbed have a responsibilty to society to go and get their boosters. They wanted the gunk in the first place, so now they deal with the consequences. If you didn’t get a vaccine, you are now on the cusp of being excluded from society… something that I am prepared to live with. The sheep need to be prepared to live with their decisions too. You either believe in the vaccinations or you don’t.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  divoc origi 19

    Plenty of buyer’s remorse about. Doesn’t look like they’ll ever get their subscription-based dystopian permission to exist model. How hard do we think they’ll push for it?

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    divoc origi 19
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    No refunds, no exchanges, get the fuck out of the mRNA store.

    I used to think that by now the wheels would have fallen off – normality would have resumed and the covid years would be a short unfortunate paragraph in the almanac of human stupidity. The notion that there is huge amounts of skullduggery and horseshit still to come makes me absolutely furious. And I blame my parents, my friends, my brothers, my cousins, my colleagues. If they were too stupid to read the terms and conditions on the back of the packet, then they deserve what they get. Now, go get back in the queue for your next booster shot from Uncle Pfizer, you fucking cowards; he says this is the one that will end the pandemic.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  divoc origi 19

    I think it’s a better idea to go easy on people who were duped (as hard as that is sometimes!). Most people have never even entertained the idea that politicians and the mass media could be lying to them. And add to that they’ve had something potentially very harmful injected into them in bad faith. It’s a dark and frightening place they’ve found themselves in isn’t it.

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    Catee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    While I agree it is a dark and frightening place they find themselves in, it’s no less dark and frightening than the place the ‘sceptics’ have been occupying for the last 18 months and while I feel sad for all my extended family and friends who have taken the clotshots I cannot sympathise with them. I sent them links and told them the ‘other side’ they chose their path and have mostly had nothing to do with me since.
    I am not out to ‘save’ them anymore but to make the future for my grandchildren a safer, freer one, the fact that the sheep will also benefit from our non compliance is an aside.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Catee

    You’re absolutely right and like you I imagine, I’ve been severely gaslighted throughout. Referred to as conspiracy theorist, lunatic, etc etc. So I don’t have enormous amounts of sympathy for people who’ve been duped but I think strategically, they need to be brought on board and the best way to do this is to go gently!

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    It was obvious that they were lying from a very long time ago even if by omission.

    During Lockdown 1 they allowed the cowering at home public to believe that Covid was ploughing through the population at random.

    Only when they wanted some sort of return to school during the 2020 summer term did they announce, loudly, that only (less than 10?) children had died from/with Covid and that each and every one of them had severe underlying conditions that actually killed them or would have had not hospital acquired Covid got them first.

    They hid this information (disseminated early here at LS and elsewhere) to ramp up the atmosphere of fear; hardly the action of a loving caring government.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Yes. It took me about a week to realise we were witnessing the most elaborate and expensive propaganda campaign ever attempted.

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    Silke David
    3 years ago

    According to the report there are 22 Million ! vulnerable. I guess they still say people with Asthma are in this group, although it has been proven they are less likely to get ill!

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Silke David

    Yes the situation with asthma was interesting. My young son has asthma and I used to, so I looked into the data around asthmatics last spring with interest and as you say, people with asthma are a) less likely to catch the virus and b) have exactly the same sorts of outcomes as the rest of the population when they do.

    The fact that a number of asthma treatments like busedomide and Montelukast have been seen to be effective treatments or prophylactics for COVID-19 is no coincidence I am sure.

    It’s also strange that on the one hand people with asthma were classed as vulnerable from a lockdown or vaccine point of view but were not seen in the same way when it came to being forced to wear masks – absolutely the worst thing you could to to an asthmatic was to restrict their breathing!

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    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    As an asthmatic with COPD I took initial warnings about being more vulnerable seriously but then thought ‘sod it’ and got out and about as a key worker.

    Reports of smokers and asthmatics being less likely to be hospitalised emerged, briefly, quite soon and in fact, as reported to my GP recently, those two conditions have troubled me less than usual these past 12 months.

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Silke David

    And I wonder if they will now be hounded and harassed ( as in the double-glazing salesmen’s approach!lol ) to go get “boosted” until they finally relent just so they can be left in peace.

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    A Sceptic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Silke David

    A cautionary tale about asthma and the jab. My Mum (81) has asthma, had the third jab and was having a lot of trouble breathing a few days after. She thought she was dying/had covid. Through lurking on Telegram thr day before she got bad I knew that budesonide is known to interact with the Pfizer jab, and they recommend not using it for weeks after the jab. She stopped it on my advice, instantly better.

    She spoke to her doctor and the asthma nurse yesterday who (a) had no idea about this known issue and (b) commented that if she had been taken to hospital they would have given her budesonide as treatment, thus making her worse. So how many asthmatics is the NHS haring or even killing?

    BTW same issue of interaction with the flu jab, so makes great sense (not) to give them together.

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    Dodgy Geezer
    Dodgy Geezer
    3 years ago

    I have a modest proposal for the government.

    It seems expensive to maintain a Parliamentary Democracy and a host of supporting lawyers and civil servants during this emergency, and such a body of personnel makes the decision making processes very slow and inefficient. There is obviously no need for such processes, since the requirements emanating from ministerial offices are never modified by further discussion.

    Accordingly, I suggest a simple legal structure should be instituted. Just make it illegal to disobey any statement from a Government Minister.

    That will sort out all of this toing and froing and set all Covid responses on a firm legal foundation. No more uncertainty. If a Minister tells you to get vaccinated, you either do so or go to jail/get forcibly vaccinated/be hung. Entirely up to the Minister.

    Simples!

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

    They did just that when rearranging Tiers a year ago, announcing new diktsts at 11pm via Twitter.

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    Cecil B
    Cecil B
    3 years ago

    It’s no good taking up a ‘vax’ subscription and then later saying you don’t want it anymore

    You’ve signed up now do your duty and get down the shot tent

    (Apologies. I’ve got my eye on a Covidian’s house near here. I am desperate for this thing to run it’s course so I can get in and measure for curtains. Once again a big thank you to Stan for fulfilling my dreams)

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    George L
    3 years ago

    “Professor Andrew Hayward, an epidemiologist and government adviser of University College London, said the situation was “concerning” and there was “huge potential for the NHS to come under a lot of pressure”.

    Note the reference to the NHS.. its almost as though Professor Hayward is reading from a prepared script.. he wouldn’t.. would he ???

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    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  George L

    More ‘might’ ‘ could’ ‘should’ from the Ferguson school of hyperbole.

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    Star
    Star
    3 years ago

    “Third dose”, “booster”… So pols and scribblers and editors and government scientists have been told to stop using the phrase “fully vaccinated”? If so, I wonder how long it will take the order to reach all the units at the front lines.

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    Dorian_Hawkmoon
    3 years ago

    “The approximately 22 million that fall into the MOST vulnerable groups.” Eh? A THIRD of the population? Or even more if this is an E&W (59 million) figure. 37% And how many of the rest are not the most but have above the line vulnerability? That’s ludicrous.

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    Star
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

    It is indeed totally and utterly ludicrous. It seems that three-quarters of those with positions in the opinion chain see themselves as public health data dudes nowadays, yet they are so thickwitted as to consider it sensible to label everyone aged 50+ (and that is no exaggeration) as “belonging to an at-risk group”, regardless of lifestyle, existing state of health, diet, whether they smoke 40 fags a day and stuff their faces with crisps while married to their smartphones, etc.

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    Cecil B
    3 years ago

    BBC going full fear porn today

    Summary

    1. With rising cases and the waning effect of vaccines, it is “critical” the UK accelerates its booster rollout, a leading expert warns
    2. Prof Neil Ferguson says the UK is no longer in the “top rank” of European nations when it comes to vaccinations
    3. On Monday, 49,156 cases were reported across the UK, as were a further 45 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test
    4. Downing Street says an increase in cases had been expected over the winter and the government will keep a close watch on the situation
    5. There have now been 164,285 UK deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate, the Office for National Statistics says
    6. In the US, a top US college football coach has been fired for refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19
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    HelenaHancart
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    Well, they wou!d say that wouldn’t they? Lie layering is all they’re capable of now. Plan B is hovering in the sidelines (what Plan A?) Billy Boy was here last night, prodding the Fat (out of)Controller, and probably the British Bullshit Co at the same time.

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    PoshPanic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    Waning effect? So they admit, unlike natural immunity, it wears off after a few weeks.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    That’s the business model isn’t it. I think the ‘pandemic’ hasn’t lived up to requirements and it’s getting incredibly tenuous. Being ‘vaccinated’ against something that is extremely unlikely to kill you is one thing, but topping it up every six months just so you can live your life? Even for Normies that must be a bridge too far!

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    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Annual top ups have been discussed for several months.

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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Imagine having to play Russian Roulette with adverse effects EVERY SIX MONTHS. Yikes.

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    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    They’d follow all this up with a Churchill speech, if they could.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    Why don’t they just use their beloved AI to reanimate an synthetic new Churchill speech every year? I’ll do it for them if they want?

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    “Never has so many beaches been in service fighting them for their few darkest coronavirus [female voice] hospital factory hour duty” 🤧 🇬🇧

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    HelenaHancart
    3 years ago

    Maybe it’s trickling through, that the more you have the more it’s going to go on! There are many people, unaware of the Yellow Card Scheme, have still realised that their jab has affected them in some negative way, and they’ve had enough!

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    thinkcriticall
    thinkcriticall
    3 years ago

    The UK will be like Australia very soon!

    https://twitter.com/ThreadsIrish/status/1450405073079599113?s=20

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  thinkcriticall

    A terrible thought.. but will it though? Something about the timing of the UK’s descent into totalitarianism suggests to me that this will be very hard to pull off over here. We’ve been ‘given’ this period of relative normality, where it must be clear to even the most fearful that it’s possible for society to operate normally without a covid holocaust. How will they ramp up the pressure exactly? Remember that Victoria/NSW has been kept in a constant state of terror meaning they can be coerced to bend to the will of the state in order to ‘win back’ their freedom. I don’t see this as being politically feasible here. Further lockdowns are a no-no. No appetite for that. I think the UK has messed up (from the globalist orchestrators’ perspective). Add to that the growing scepticism about the efficacy and safety of the ‘vaccines’ and I think they’ve got real problems.

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    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Ironically I think it will be the reluctance of the BAME population to have the vaccine which will save the UK.

    That makes the vaccine passport thing difficult to implement not because the politicians care about the discriminatory aspect of locking out proportionately more ethnic minorities from events, but they do worry about BAME people rioting and rightly or wrongly think that is a more likely and more worrying outcome than white unvaccinated people rioting.

    It would be poetic justice if the globalist fans of multiculturalism and open borders ended up being hoist by their own globalist petard.

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    JaneDoeNL
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Indeed! Makes me think of that story from New York City a few weeks back. Three ladies from Texis wanted to enter a restaurant and were told they needed to show their pass. A kerfuffle / assault then followed. The young Asian lady who was asking for the papers was set upon by the 3 Texan ladies, who were poc. They promptly claimed that the young Asian lady had been abusive, racist and used the n word. The next day BLM was saying it was going to hold a protest outside the restaturant in question.

    Personally I believe the young lady from the restaurant probably did nothing wrong and that the 3 ladies from Texas went OTT. But – New York mayor De Blasio, who insisted on the fascist pass, has also been a big, big supporter of BLM, allowing them to get away with (probably literally) murder in NYC. So it tickled me no end to imagine him figuring out which of these 2 golems that he had created he should support and which one he should combat.

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    PartyTime
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Yes, the much smaller ethnic minority proportion of the population in Scotland may be one reason for their higher uptake there.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    You’re absolutely right. Narrative malfunction! Abort! Abort! Abort!

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    In New York this has resulted in the vaxxed middle classes eating comfortably inside restaurants while the largely unvaxxed BAME communities have to sit outside in whatever wigwam has been provided.
    It’s only just starting to get cold there.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    What a pretty picture that is 🗽

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    Dorian_Hawkmoon
    Dorian_Hawkmoon
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    I’d rather sit outside with real people. Where I am, I don’t even get that option.

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    Sandra Barwick
    Sandra Barwick
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Nice to hear optimism. But they’ve come a long way, and they haven’t begun to give up, as the child sacrifice shows. A long fight is ahead of us.

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    Dorian_Hawkmoon
    Dorian_Hawkmoon
    3 years ago
    Reply to  crisisgarden

    Probably why Gates jetted in, to give Johnson a good whipping for his failures to meet targets.

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago

    Why was Gates here yesterday, is he coercing Mr Johnson about this?

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    He was either bringing Boris’s next set of orders or he was there for a crisis meeting because the whole plan is going wrong.

    Hopefully the latter…

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    But couldn’t they just call or Zoom for that?

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    I suppose you can’t use thumbscrews or do waterboarding over the internet. Well, not yet, although I expect Microsoft is working on it.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago

    I can tell you one reason why it is slow.

    Last week I received a text from NHS? saying that, as a vulnerable person, I need to get a booster jab and should contact my GP or My Consultant.
    The only person who is ‘my Consultant’ deals with lymphoma.

    As posted last week, my GP responded by saying that they are only boosting over 75s and that NHS Vac ine Central will contact me when ‘your cohort’ is due a booster jab.

    Yesterday I received a Round Robin text from my GP Surgery saying that they are ‘only commissioned’ to boost over 75s, health workers or care home residents.

    Also yesterday I received a short letter from NHS(?) saying that ‘as a vulnerable person you should have already been contacted by your GP or hospital’ to arrange said boost. If not I should contact my GP (see para 2 above)

    From the above it is clear that they are at 6s+7s over their booster rollout.
    No contact details were supplied other than to say not to try the NHS website or dialling 119.

    I got double jabbed for reasons I explained a few weeks back, nothing to do with fear of Covid or belief in their poison. My interest in the booster is only to see if my status as ‘fully
    vaxxed’ with QR code Passport (time limited) becomes invalid should I fail to get boosted.

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    chunky lafunga
    chunky lafunga
    3 years ago

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1508048/Breaking-news-girl-dead-Moat-Community-College-Highfields-Leicester-cardiac-arrest

    This seems odd

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    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  chunky lafunga

    11 years old so unlikely to have been vaccinated if the rules are being followed.

    Maybe for once this really is just a coincidence.

    But the media is so full of lies every news story is suspect.

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    chunky lafunga
    chunky lafunga
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    Yes indeed, Arthur, I thought the same. As you say everything must be viewed through the lens of suspicion. Someone speculated in the comments on that article that the media may be highlighting such stories, cardiac events in young people, to normalise the idea that these things happen in people’s heads. So that when they begin to occur in larger numbers from the jab, people may be inclined to be less alarmed. Not sure I’m ready to believe that, but it’s food for thought, and nothing can be ruled out at this point.

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  chunky lafunga

    Wouldn’t put that past, or beneath them.

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    Annie
    Annie
    3 years ago

    22million are in the most vulnerable groups?
    One third of the population?

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    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Annie

    I suppose even if people weren’t in poor health before March 2020, 19 months of lockdowns and fear and panicmongering in the media as well as the unavailability of the NHS for anything other than acute medicine has made plenty of people vulnerable.

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Annie

    Another number plucked out of the air

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    PoshPanic
    PoshPanic
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    They might have got it from that tv ad that said 1 in 3 people could have it?

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    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  PoshPanic

    1 in 3 people who don’t have it, have it. Even if you feel well and don’t have it, you have it. Look into her eyes and tell her you’re not acting like you have it.

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    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Annie

    Easy if they include all those above a given age.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Might also include anyone in a frontline health-related job.

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    Julian
    Julian
    3 years ago

    Apologies this is off topic but just giving a bit of visibility to a fundraiser: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/defend-free-speech-and-assembly/

    Various legal cases pending against a campaigner (Debbie Hicks) arrested and charged for various protests, filming in a hospital etc.

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    chunky lafunga
    chunky lafunga
    3 years ago

    If someone refuses their third shot does that make them a selfish anti-vaxxer putting everyone else at risk?

    In all seriousness though, this is actually an important moment. Someone, I can’t remember who made this point a few months ago. Essentially everyone will draw their own line on this, for myself and presumably others on here it is zero, for others it is 1, or 2 etc. If it gets to the point where 3 is the new standard (like Israel) then anyone with 2 is on the same rung as anyone with zero. Ultimately unless you’re willing to go all the way and get jabbed forever at some point increasing numbers will end up as the untermenschen. We just need to hold the line and our ranks will swell

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    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  chunky lafunga

    I raised that question here a few weeks ago. As a double vaxee I am required to renew my QR covid pass monthly via the NHS app. and queried whether declining to uptake a booster would result in not being able to renew my pass. Thus far nowhere has asked to see it and short of food retailers insisting on it, I don’t suppose anywhere ever will.

    Also, see my post above, one hour ago.

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    chunky lafunga
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Thanks, and I guess thanks for giving an inside track to the booster ‘experiment’ you spoke of in your earlier comment, I’ll certainly be interested to hear of the outcome so please keep us abreast!

    I went to a music festival about a month ago where we were required to present our ‘covid status’. My friends used their vaccine passports to gain entry. Luckily I was able to do a fake LFT. I only found out about it the day before, otherwise I would’ve boycotted. New communication has been disseminated from my football team (Aston Villa) stating they will be ‘stepping up’ vax status checks on match days. I can only really see this going in one direction as we enter the winter months.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  chunky lafunga

    FYI, The reason I got double jabbed stems from when it was announced that all workers in health/nursing care would need to be vaccinated and also suppliers to the premises: builders, the milkman, paper youngpersons, taxi drivers (?) and so on.

    The next illogical demand could have been that other users of taxis or alternative transport providers would likewise be compelled to be vaxxed.

    Knowing that I was about to embark on numerous taxi journeys to and from the hospital for a series of Consultations and treatments that might well cause side effects including nausea, confusion and extreme fatigue I decided to get being vaxxed out of the way rather than being compelled to in the middle of treatment.

    As it happens I experienced very few of those (and many many more) side effects; neither did I have any reaction to the Covid jab nor the slightest hint of Covid itself and am still refusing the usual annual Flu jab on the grounds that I’ve never had flu.

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    chunky lafunga
    chunky lafunga
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    Ah yeah I recall you mentioning previously about your situation, and it’s absolutely understandable that you decided to unburden yourself of any additional BS under the circumstances. And besides, I don’t mind one jot if any adult has it, it’s a personal choice and frankly none of my business. Anyway, thanks for your insights and I genuinely wish you all the best and bon santé

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    oblong
    oblong
    3 years ago
    Reply to  karenovirus

    I am a zero

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    Mr Dee
    Mr Dee
    3 years ago

    Meanwhile, over the walls in the lunatic asylum:

    Face masks should be worn OUTSIDE – especially when it’s windy – to curb the spread of Covid, scientists say
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10084131/Face-masks-worn-OUTSIDE-windy-curb-spread-Covid-scientists-say.html

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    OliveTrees
    OliveTrees
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mr Dee

    It doesn’t require a strong imagination to guess what the Comments section of that article looks like.

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    Annie
    Annie
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    As if now, there isn’t one.

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    Sforzesca
    Sforzesca
    3 years ago
    Reply to  OliveTrees

    In my experience about 75% are sceptics, maybe surprisingly.
    The real deal ie the vicious “left elites”, can unerringly be found in the G******n – the bastion of fearless investigative journalism.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mr Dee

    What happened to the solution to stuffy contagion boosting classrooms?

    Govt advice was
    “Open the windows so the wind would blow Covid away or teach outside whenever possible”

    Taking us for lackbrain fools again.

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago

    Boris entertained some high falutin’ people last night at a meeting which was entitled ‘Jabs for Boilers’

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    cornubian
    cornubian
    3 years ago

    John Roberts “of the respected Covid Actuaries Response Group”! Are you having a laugh? Roberts has without question, throughout the plandemic, puppeted regime mantras. Moreover, Andrew Hayward is a member of SAGE (Say Anything Get Employed) and receives funding from the Welcome Trust (which has investments in vaccine companies). Its bad enough the Telegraph publishing this propaganda without the DS doing likewise.

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    Freecumbria
    Freecumbria
    3 years ago
    Reply to  cornubian

    Agree.

    Respected actuary means someone like Nick Hudson to me

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    Anti_socialist
    Anti_socialist
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Freecumbria

    Nick Hudson Interview – The Covid Operation As A Battle Of Ideologies

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago

    Maybe it’s stories like this that are deterring the already vaccinated from having a booster.

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    thedarkhorse
    thedarkhorse
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    That is a terrible story. Just what is it going to take to make people realise that the ‘vax’ is causing such awful damage? We are battling against a brick wall where the MSM is concerned, in general.

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    Susan
    Susan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    I would like to understand the psychology of persons who, hearing of adverse reactions in others, presume they themselves will suffer no harm.

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    realarthurdent
    realarthurdent
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Susan

    I can only assume that for them, the psychological pain of admitting they made a terrible mistake is in their eyes worse than the adverse effects of the jab.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    As was being pointed out here at LS at least a year ago, the longer the BS goes on the more difficult it will be for people to admit to themselves that they’ve been taken for fools all along.

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    So he’s actually got a death sentence now due to, for some unfathomable reason, going ahead in getting 2 jabs that he didn’t even need as he has natural immunity, and the injection wasn’t even mandated either! At the risk of sounding like a callous cow, I have absolutely no sympathy for adults who demonstrate this level of stupidity. If ever there was a person who wished they could turn back time it must be this guy!

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    Anti_socialist
    Anti_socialist
    3 years ago
    Reply to  realarthurdent

    It’s a shame people won’t learn from this story.

    Heart inflammation is irreparable damage, it’s for life, covid is normally for a week at most, then you’re immune.

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    steve_z
    steve_z
    3 years ago

    I have a covid-scared friend – late 40s, had double jabs, got covid. Now isn’t going to have the booster – ‘whats the point?’

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago
    Reply to  steve_z

    yep. There must be an awful lot of that going on!

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    Margaret
    Margaret
    3 years ago

    Latest score:
    2020. Number of people I knew who “tested positive, 2
    2021. Number of double jabbed who have now “tested” positive, 9. Our d-i-l has just hit the jackpot.
    Our son is taking his dad to the theatre in a couple of weeks. Son is doubled jabbed so will walk straight in with an app. My husband will have to show a negative LFT before he is allowed in.
    Makes complete sense doesn’t it????!!

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    Freecumbria
    Freecumbria
    3 years ago

    Looks like a sharp swing in the past few weeks towards covid labelled deaths being in the older age groups (source: chart produced from today’s ONS weekly death data).

    Good indication the experimental vaccines don’t work.

    And are the boosters in the older age groups leading to relatively more positives in the older age groups, certainly in those who go on to die with SARS-C0V-2 (or where covid is a contributing factor)?

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    Hypatia
    Hypatia
    3 years ago

    My elderly parents (85 and 92) have just had their “booster shots” along with, on the same day but in the other arm, their annual flu jab. They were already both double jabbed.

    About 6 to 8 weeks ago, so prior to the boosters, my Father (92) became increasingly frail, with inability to grasp a pen or fasten buttons. He was also quite shaky and needed a Zimmer frame to walk. They are lucky, as they have almost immediate access to their GP and other health services, so he has had every test possible and seen several medics. There is talk of Parkinson’s disease or even Motor Neurone disease, which I think it highly unlikely to start out of the blue at his age. Test have so far proved negative. Of course, this all could be nothing more than old age. He has improved marginally in recent weeks.

    Prior to lockdown, both of them led active lives, with clubs and activities several times a week. My father was not able to walk quickly, but he was steady on his feet and able to keep going for quite some time, age considered. Even at the start of this year, he was quite fit for his age.

    I begged them both not to have any further jabs until there was more information about what has suddenly afflicted him. But my mother, who is very domineering, simply said that they “had been sent for” by the GP. I argued that they did not need to go, they could delay, but go they did. Despite my Father’s very obvious frailty, he was given a flu jab and a booster shot. The GP said that his frailty was “all the more reason” to have it! So since the end of January this year they have both had 3 injections of an alleged vaccine and 1 flu shot.

    I have explained over and over again about the government’s own Yellow Card system and the side effects and deaths being recorded. Ditto that the magic vax cannot stop you getting or transmitting the WuFlu. My mother just denies it, saying she’s “never heard” of it, and I must have “got it off the computer” – she is an avid watcher of BBC and C4 news, which no doubt colours her thinking, but she will not listen to ANYTHING else, or even concede that other people’s worries (like mine!) are genuine.

    They are the generation that cannot believe that the BBC would lie or that the Government or sainted NHS would do them any harm. I am now expecting my Father to die in the next three months, and I feel that this whole episode will be what has finished him off. I fully agree that at his age, he is in God’s waiting room, but I am still so disgusted by what has happened to the elderly over the past 19 months.

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    karenovirus
    karenovirus
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Hypatia

    Before treatment began I asked my lymphoma/chemo Consultant whether I should take the jab.
    He said, in writing, that it was government advice that I should do so but “at the end of the day it is your decision”.

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Hypatia

    Hypatia, I can identify with every single thing you have written in your post and can only sympathise with you and your situation – we are in exactly the same boat. My parents are of similar age, are both double jabbed [they did it on the QT without telling me] and at time of writing, for all I know, may have had their booster and flu jabs for exactly the same reasons as your parents. I have tried to talk to them but they wouldn’t listen and now all I can do is watch from the sidelines for signs of deterioration and be ready to pick up the pieces. If my parents get past this christmas I will consider myself lucky. 2 years ago such a thought would never have occurred to me. I hope that others coming to this site read what you have posted and perhaps get a chance to try to influence their parents and dissuade them from supinely rolling their sleeves up. I will never forgive what has been done to my family.

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    crisisgarden
    crisisgarden
    3 years ago

    Just listened to the Joe Rogan Alex Berenson interview. Couple of things stand out:
    1) There are now a buttload of people in the world who know what’s what.
    2) Didn’t learn anything new. I think we (sceptics) have all become covid experts and probably don’t give ourselves enough credit for that. Many Normies I talk to don’t even know who Fauci is. This project relies on ignorance.

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    ebygum
    ebygum
    3 years ago

    https://stephenc.substack.com/p/the-israeli-moh-caught-red-handed
    Based on MOH dashboard data, an analysis conducted by members of the Israeli Public Emergency Council for the Corona Crisis demonstrated that the Pfizer COVID-19 booster effectiveness is much lower than that claimed in the NEJM study presented by Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis to the FDA panel.

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    Smelly Melly
    Smelly Melly
    3 years ago

    I understand that Colin Powell the former USA Secretary of State has died from Covid complications and was fully “vaccinated”. Isn’t this vaccine great!

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    Jane G
    Jane G
    3 years ago

    Disappointing the Officials has become something of a hobby of mine, but I doubt that I disappoint them as much as they have disappointed me, i.e fatally and irredeemably.

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    RTSC
    RTSC
    3 years ago

    Roll up, roll up ….. get your jab here. Free goldfish for those who comply.

    I expect a large number of people are now aware than these jabs have some very unpleasant, sometimes fatal, side effects.

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    hilarynw
    hilarynw
    3 years ago

    Why does this fill me with some hope? Maybe people have had enough and are not prepared to be jabbed over and over again. Maybe some felt so rotten after the first two that nothing will persuade them to go for anymore!

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    wryobserver
    wryobserver
    3 years ago

    Simple answer to the slow rollout – the NHS is not contacting people! I am eligible, having had my second jab over 6 months ago and being over 50. The NHS site said I must await contact and would not let me book. I phoned 119. The call handler said I should be able to book, and would report it as a system fault. She also kindly offered to let me cheat by being an NHS worker (I have been retired from hospital medicine for 10 years), but I didn’t have the right ID, so that was off. Instead I am joining the walk-in queue at my local centre today. I tried yesterday but they had run out, and I can report that business was very brisk for booked boosters…

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    Richard Noakes
    Richard Noakes
    3 years ago

    The assumption is that the only way to deal with Covid, is after it arrives as Covid in your body, after the initial cold infection, in your head, some 20 days earlier
    .Why is that?
    Kill the Flu or Coronavirus in the head, soon after getting the virus in the nasal passages inside the head, the brain bulb and brain stem, etc, with my free salt water cure, which flushes out the nasal passages (so no Long Covid) and kills off the Coronavirus infection, immediately, or during the 10 to 14 days of self isolation.
    No infection in the head, no Covid – it is as simple as that.
    Then the purpose and functions of the vaccines, ceases to be a problem and you simply can’t get sick and won’t ever get Covid.
    Mix one heaped teaspoon of “iodine” table or sea salt in a mug of warm or cold “clean” water, cup a hand and pour some of the solution in, then sniff or snort that mugful up into your nose, spitting out everything which comes down into your mouth, from the back of your throat, by so doing, you flush out your nasal cavity, where Coronavirus lives.
    If you get a burning sensation (which lasts for 2-3 minutes) then you have a Coronavirus infection.
    When the soreness goes away, blow out your head with toilet paper and flush away, washing your hands afterwards and continue doing my salt clean water nasal cavity flush cure, morning, noon and night, or more often, if you want, until, when you do my free salt water cure, you don’t experience any soreness at all in your nasal cavity inside your head.
    While you are at it, swallow a couple of mouthfuls and if you get a burning sensation in your chest, then you are killing the Covid/Pneumonia there too, so keep it up, each time you do a salt water sniffle, until the soreness in your head and lungs goes away – job done.
    When you flush your head with the salt water remedy, it should feel like you are flushing your head with water – no reaction felt at all.
    I have been doing this for 27 years and I am never ill from viruses and there is no reason for anyone else to be either and of course, I never have vaccines – what is the point?
    You don’t need to be tested to see if you have a head infection, you will know instantly if you have or not, with my free salt water cure
    We will need a cure for Coronavirus or the Flu, which everyone will get sooner or later and this is it – my Covid Crusher.
    Pass it around to everyone and take credit for it yourself, if you want.
    Now to the nitty gritty – try it with everyone with Flu like symptoms and see for yourself how effective it is and post your results here.
    Make my day!!
    Richard.

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    SimCS
    SimCS
    3 years ago

    Simple questions for these ‘authorities’.

    When does this end?

    When hasn’t the NHS come under pressure in winter?

    Why is the case & infection rate per capita in the vaxed now double that of the uinvaxed?

    Why do you still deny the much superior efficacy of natural immunity?

    Why do you still deny the known, safe & effective medicines, used very successfully in large (200m+ people) real-world deployments?

    Why haven’t you stopped the vaccine program in light of the massive injury & death rates being reported?

    Why have you not encouraged the preventative/protection measures including vitamin C and critically, D supplements?

    Why haven’t you spoken out against the use of masks by the general population given the volume of evidence against their effectiveness, and lack of evidence for them?

    Why do you not utilize real science?

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    Banjones
    Banjones
    3 years ago

    Good.

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