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by Richard Eldred
8 January 2025 1:28 AM

  • “Labour to whip MPs to vote against grooming gang inquiry” – According to the Sun, Keir Starmer will order his Labour MPs to vote against calls for a new national inquiry into the Asian rape gangs scandal, insisting that the time has passed to ask any more questions.
  • “What’s the real reason Labour is reluctant to hold a grooming gangs inquiry?” – Is Jess Phillips reluctant to give the go ahead to an inquiry that might ask difficult and sensitive questions about the identity of the perpetrators? wonders Hardeep Singh in the Spectator.
  • “We still don’t know cause of grooming gangs, says scandal reporter” – Andrew Norfolk, the journalist who first exposed the grooming gangs in 2011, tells Fiona Hamilton in the Times that there needs to be proper research into the issues that enable criminals to flourish.
  • “The biggest peacetime crime – and cover-up – in British history” – In the Free Press, Dominic Green says the grooming and serial rape of thousands of English girls by men of mostly Pakistani Muslim background over several decades is the biggest peacetime crime in the history of modern Europe.
  • “‘Two-tier justice’ after Southport rioters freed but not grandmother who made Facebook post” – The ‘two-tier’ justice debate has been reignited after a grandmother jailed over a Facebook post about the Southport riots was denied parole, while rioters convicted of racial abuse and harassment have been released after serving less than half their sentences, reports Freddie Attenborough for the Free Speech Union.
  • “Labour has serious questions to answer” – The public is clamouring for a moment of national recognition for the young victims of the rape gangs who’ve been neglected by the authorities, says the Telegraph in a leading article.
  • “‘My grandma might have become a grooming gang victim in present-day Britain’” – Elon Musk has said that his white working-class grandmother might have been abducted by a grooming gang if she had been born in modern Britain, reports the Mail.
  • “Elon Musk has ripped the cloak of deceit off one of Britain’s most disgusting scandals” – Starmer’s denunciation of Musk for “spreading lies and misinformation” about Muslim child-rape gangs is an orchestra of discordant duplicity, says Allison Pearson in the Telegraph.
  • “The grooming gang scandal needs to change our entire worldview” – In the Spectator, Gareth Roberts argues that the grooming gang scandal is a devastating reality that demands a total rethinking of our worldview.
  • “Why is Gisèle Pelicot a hero but not the girls of Rochdale?” – Some in the West appear rather selective about which victims of sexual violence they stand alongside, says Gavin Mortimer in the Spectator.
  • “Islamic Sunday school teacher caught with IS video was granted asylum in U.K.” – An Islamic Sunday school teacher who was caught with an ISIS video was granted asylum in the U.K. before giving children “lessons in jihad”, reveals the Telegraph.
  • “Tommy Robinson releases podcast from prison prompting investigation” – An investigation has begun into how Tommy Robinson was able to record and release a podcast from his prison cell, reports the Telegraph.
  • “Jenrick hints at Tory crackdown on immigration from ‘alien cultures’” – Robert Jenrick has hinted at a Tory crackdown on immigration from countries with “alien cultures”, insisting that government should be “very careful about who is coming into this country”, says the Mail.
  • “‘Net zero immigration’ is the way to beat Reform, Badenoch told” – Senior Tories have urged Kemi Badenoch to commit to a “net zero immigration” policy to win back support from Reform U.K., reports the Telegraph.
  • “‘I want to mend broken fences with Musk’” – Nigel Farage says he wants to “mend any broken fences” with Elon Musk when he flies to the United States for Donald Trump’s inauguration later this month, according to LBC.
  • “Earl Spencer’s old prep school blames Labour’s VAT raid for closure” – A prep school attended by Earl Spencer has blamed Labour’s VAT raid for forcing it to close days after the policy came into force, reports the Telegraph.
  • “Labour won’t admit what their VAT raid is about: finishing off private schools” – As term starts this week, the sheer vindictiveness of Labour’s tax raid on private schools is becoming increasingly apparent, writes Nigel Farage in the Telegraph.
  • “The four-day working week is coming for our schools” – A number of schools are already experimenting with four-day working weeks, but at what cost to pupils and parents? asks Julie Henry in the Telegraph.
  • “Borrowing costs have just passed Liz Truss levels” – In the Spectator, Kate Andrews points out that long-term borrowing costs have soared to a 27-year high, surpassing the spike seen under Liz Truss.
  • “Reeves ‘on verge of breaking her own fiscal rules’ as borrowing costs surge” – Rachel Reeves is on the brink of breaking her fiscal rules and being forced into another tax raid, economists have warned as borrowing costs surged to the highest level since 1998, reports the Telegraph.
  • “Starmer accepted £1k’s worth of Arsenal tickets last month” – According to the Telegraph, Keir Starmer scored £1,000 worth of Arsenal tickets last month, including VIP seats and corporate hospitality, despite the ‘freebies’ row.
  • “Labour sinks to lowest approval rating to date just days into 2025” – A poll shows that Labour’s approval ratings are at a new low with over a third of supporters unhappy about their first six months in power, according to GB News.
  • “Manhunt launched after schoolboy, 14, stabbed to death on London bus” – Murder detectives are hunting for a knifeman after a 14 year-old schoolboy was stabbed to death on a London bus, reports the Mail.
  • “Reeves exposes her own hypocrisy over ‘freezing cold pensioners’” – Pensioners are skipping meals to keep the heating on, but there’s no sign of the empathy once voiced by the Chancellor, notes Joe Wright in the Telegraph.
  • “Can the grid cope with many more EV chargers?” – In the Spectator, Ross Clark questions whether the grid can handle the massive influx of electric vehicle chargers, as local authorities plan for hundreds of thousands of new points.
  • “North Sea gas production to plunge after Ed Miliband crackdown” – North Sea gas production is forecast to plunge faster than ever as windfall taxes and a Net Zero crackdown by Ed Miliband drive investors away, reports the Telegraph.
  • “Why Miliband’s turbine building spree leaves Britain vulnerable to Putin’s missiles” – A growing reliance on offshore wind threatens to expose U.K. energy assets to Russia’s ‘grey zone’ warfare, warns Matt Oliver in the Telegraph.
  • “BBC boss wins fight against building of ‘suburban’ homes next to his £4 million farmhouse” – BBC Director General Tim Davie has won an appeal to stop two luxury homes from being built next to his £4 million farmhouse, after claiming they were “too suburban”, reports the Mail.
  • “Wildfire burns in Los Angeles as thousands told to flee” – A fast-moving wildfire in a Los Angeles suburb that is home to many Hollywood celebrities has burned buildings and led to panicked evacuation, says the LA Times.
  • “The MHRA papers – part four” – On the TTE Substack, Dr. Tom Jefferson and Prof. Carl Heneghan expose the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency’s murky vaccine approval process.
  • “Excess fluoride exposure lowers IQ in children” – A new landmark meta-analysis indicates the need to halt artificial water fluoridation using industrial byproducts, reports Nicolas Hulscher on the Courageous Discourse Substack.
  • “The ‘crunchy mom’ influencers embracing MAHA” – American moms are enthused by RFK Jr.’s plans to Make America Healthy Again, writes Josie Ensor in the Times.
  • “EU considers legal action against Musk over election interference” – Brussels is considering punishing Elon Musk over his alleged interference in the German elections, reports Politico.
  • “There’s something hypocritical about Macron attacking Musk” – Macron’s attack on Musk reeks of hypocrisy – especially considering his own history of foreign meddling, says Gavin Mortimer in the Spectator.
  • “Elon Musk isn’t an extremist threat” – In the Spectator, Liam Duffy argues that blaming Musk for extremism risks missing the real issue, undermines freedom of speech and does little to address the deeper societal divides fuelling unrest.
  • “Charlie Hebdo massacre, minute by minute” – In the Mail, Stephen Matthews explores how two jihadi brothers and their Jew-hating ISIS friend slaughtered 17 innocent victims in a 3-day terror rampage.
  • “Charlie Hebdo publishes ‘laugh at God’ contest on 10th anniversary of terror attack” – Ten years after the attack that decimated the newspaper’s staff, Charlie Hebdo’s anniversary edition celebrates “the desire to laugh” and satire as a source of “optimism”, reports Le Monde.
  • “Jean-Marie Le Pen, hard-Right provocateur of French politics who won millions of votes” – The Telegraph remembers Jean-Marie Le Pen, the Right-wing provocateur who made millions feel heard with his anti-immigrant rhetoric.
  • “This mass migration disaster will be Trudeau’s legacy” – Justin Trudeau turned the Liberal Party from a pragmatic centre-Left force into one which pushed Canada to the brink, writes Maxime Bernier in the Telegraph.
  • “Who will replace Justin Trudeau as Canada’s next Prime Minister?” – The Canadian Prime Minister is resigning after nine years in office. The Times explores what comes next.
  • “Mark Carney considering run to be Canada’s Prime Minister” – Mark Carney, the former Governor of the Bank of England, is considering a run to succeed Justin Trudeau and become the Prime Minister of Canada, reports the Mail.
  • “Mark Carney is not fit to be Canadian PM” – It takes only a cursory glance at his record as Governor of the Bank of England to work out that Carney’s reputation is completely overblown – and in reality he’s not fit to be Canada’s next Prime Minister, says Matthew Lynn in the Spectator. 
  • “Trump refuses to rule out using U.S. military to annex Greenland” – Donald Trump has refused to rule out using the U.S. military to acquire Greenland and the Panama Canal while announcing plans to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America, reports the Mail.
  • “Facebook just signalled the end of the fact-checker as censor – good riddance” – With Donald Trump’s second inauguration less than two weeks away, Mark Zuckerberg appears desperate to make amends, writes Andrew Orlowski in the Telegraph.
  • “Five times Facebook’s fact-checkers got it wrong” – The Telegraph lists some of the missteps that led to the end of Facebook’s prevention measures against fake news.
  • “Royal Society of Literature in meltdown over diversity drive” – The Spectator’s Steerpike reports on the diversity row engulfing the Royal Society of Literature.
  • “The war on elitism is an attack on excellence” – The Royal Society of Literature’s travails are just the latest case study of our institutions’ self-abasement, says Annabel Denham in the Telegraph.
  • “How the ‘Be Kind’ brigade exposed their hypocrisy” – The ‘just be nice to everyone’ narrative hides an uncomfortable truth – that women must be careful not to say the wrong thing, writes Julie Bindel in the Telegraph.
  • “Black Lives Matter is over. When will our universities notice?” – It’s not 2020 any more. So could someone please tell our academics they can stop wittering about ‘decolonisation’ now? says Michael Deacon in the Telegraph.
  • “McDonald’s rolls back DEI programs, ending push for greater diversity” – Four years after launching a push for more diversity in its managerial ranks, McDonald’s is making a U-turn, according to the Guardian.
  • “Apple told to drop AI that pushed fake BBC News stories” – Apple is facing fresh calls to withdraw its controversial AI feature that has generated inaccurate news alerts on its latest iPhones, reports the BBC.
  • “Lonely this Christmas” – On Substack, Frank Haviland reflects on the cruel realities of divorce and the haunting emptiness of a father’s first Christmas without his children.
  • “‘He wasn’t so popular after all’” – Our own Will Jones discusses the disastrous legacy of Justin Trudeau with Julia Harty-Brewer on TalkTV after the Canadian Prime Minister announced his resignation.

Editor of The Daily Sceptic Will Jones says “it’s fantastic to see the back of Justin Trudeau” after the Canadian Prime Minister announced his resignation yesterday.

“He wasn’t so popular after all.” @JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/fmsZcj2NFB

— Talk (@TalkTV) January 7, 2025

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“The Guardian’s report is worth reading in full”

Well – that makes a change 🙂

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

However, that was of course untrue!

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Mhmm, I used to read almost nothing but the guardian before covid times … now I couldn’t bring myself to open this or any other article and I don’t see myself ever going back.

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fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

The Guardian has singularly ailed to live up to its name in any way shape or form, the good news is nobody but the bbc buys it now, it’s a worthless brand. The guardian is doomedIt died of covid19, part of the collateral damage of lockdown.

I have no doubt that, had the Guardian led the charge against lockdown, lives would have been saved, but the strong current of political correctness was too much for it to ignore. So they burned all their principles on an ill fated crusade against human rights. It’s strangely satisfying that a paper founded on support fot human rights should run aground when it abandoned its principles. Good riddance to bad rubbish, my only regret is that I was a loyal reader for 30 years. I even used to buy it at Munich Hauptbahnhof, when I lived there – more fool me, they abandoned me, though. They are too childish now.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

The Groan went over to the dark side a while ago – when the Scott Trust was folded and the editorship changed. For a while, it wasn’t noticed except by a few who fell foul of its establishment biases and got blanked by its comment columns. Although in earlier times, for instance, it had been leaned on by the Israel lobby, it suddenly wouldn’t report its doings.

Thus the epithet ‘The House Journal of MI6’ – i.e – a safe channel for stuff coming out of government and the establishment.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Correct. I used to do that every day (even back in paper days), but I’m glad I never subscribed to it online.

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George Carmody
George Carmody
4 years ago

“Understanding these drivers is important, because without this understanding you can’t implement any interventions.” 

Why would they want to implement interventions? How about leaving it to individuals to make up their own minds and then respect that decision?

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  George Carmody

Come, come, if people did that then we would be back on the path to at least some hint at democracy!

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  George Carmody

Exactly – I don’t see myself and my attitudes as being a ‘problem’ they must ‘tackle’.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Unfortunately for us they see our attitudes and ourselves as problems!

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Too true – but long may we remain a pain in their collective arse!

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fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  George Carmody

People are too ignorant for that policy, that is why we have to be governed.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

Ja wohl!

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fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  George Carmody

Could you imagine the chaos if we let people decide for theselves whether to drive on the left or the right side of the road ? Or whether to pay tax or not. Or when they are sober enough to drive. Use you head, George! No, sometimes it is quite right for a government to make a law, we need that!

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

Why are you on this site?

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scuzbert
scuzbert
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

It’s here because it’s on duty.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

I’d love to know how much they’re getting paid.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

“sometimes” – No one had argued for never. The discussion is specifically about coerced / forced medical experimentation. If you read back your comment, I think you’ll recognise it wasn’t making any relevant point.

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ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

These comparisons are completely missing the point. Laws need to be based on sound principles and practices, be evidence based, proportionate, logical, practicable and reasonable. They also need to be adjusted, refined, or repealed (removed) as experience of the outcomes of their implementation materialises. Nothing about the official government narrative meets any of these criteria.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

The rule of law is important in a democracy, Fon, and it’s a shame you haven’t experienced one of those. But totalitarianism in which lies are a tool of government, the people have a duty to refuse to obey and to rebel. This is true in Communist China, which you admire.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

Aren’t you the one who posted that emotional comment above about loss of human rights?

Are you sober enough to drive?

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Dylan2021
Dylan2021
4 years ago

“Key reasons include concern about the speed of vaccine development, presuming Covid immunity because of previous infection and a lack of trust in the Government.”

Valid concerns and nothing whatsoever to allay them.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Dylan2021

Another reason may be that many of them are intelligent and informed enough to ask questions, and not to buy things off door to door sellers etc. After all, “lack of trust in the Government” is a wise position to start with, especially now.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

Maybe they have also seen some adverse reactions.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

No mention of the 1047 people – that we know of – having died from all causes following the vaccine in the UK, according to the Yellow Card scheme. Amounting to 1 death per 42,500 doses of vaccine.

As can be seen from using the Oxford “COVID death risk” online calculator, for the majority of people under 50 the risk from the vaccine is higher than the risk of death from COVID.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982474/Covid-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print2.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982453/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982455/Covid-19_Moderna_vaccine_analysis_print.pdf

Little wonder that people in the Health Service who are more likely to be aware of the Yellow Card scheme are opposed to having the vaccine. Not hesitant. Opposed.

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Rigger Mortice
Rigger Mortice
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Super post.I’m under 50,just,NHS worker-Paramedic-,this is exactly the reason I haven’t taken up their offer.
I went from taking covid patients to hospital to taking people having adverse reactions to hospital sometime in Feb iirc.
I didn’t know it at the time,but that was when the MHRA algorithm as missing the bad news.
I’d lvoe to see the figures for people dying within 28 days of the vaccine.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Rigger Mortice

Thank you for posting, Rigger. Love the last sentence.
I read in a BMJ letter from a pharmacist that a drop in platelets – probably usually transitory? – is a common effect of AZ, between one in 10 and one in 100.
The figures for the rna vaccines on this need to be urgently publicised. We know they do it too.
Those with existing low platelets, which is one in 10 of those with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukaemia, a disease which is woefully under diagnosed in the UK, do they know that?
Those young women with anaemia, do they know that?
Informed consent, anyone?

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Small guy
Small guy
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

If I’m reading those links correctly, there are over 1000 deaths reported, for around 30 million people vaccinated. That would be one death in 30,000.

According to Ofxord’s QCovid Covid death risk calculator, a healthy 49 year old has around the same chance of death from Covid today.

According to the statistics presented by JVT on the 7th April, chances of ‘severe harm’ for 50+ is less than 1 in 250,000 (<0.4 per 100,000):
https://dailysceptic.org/first-do-no-harm-means-not-vaccinating-young-people/
I wonder what methodology they used for that then.
Is it reasonable that that chances of ‘severe harm’ from the vaccine are 10x lower than the Yellow Card reported fatality rate? Possibly, but equally I don’t think the attribution of ‘covid deaths’ was done using such a high bar.

JVT’s slides also show that chances of severe harm for 30-39 year olds is 4x greater than for 60-69 year olds. So it’s not like the vaccination risk is decreasing as the vaccination is rolled out to lower age groups. It is increasing.

“Informed consent”?

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

I really hate that “vaccine hesitancy” phrase. A lot of those people will have, in the months they have probably been pressured to have the thing, firmly decided what they want to do, which is, take the “safe” option, operate under the “precautionary principle” and let their immune system look after them, uncontaminated by an experimental “novel” gene technology.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Many, probably most in the NHS, have had Covid. They don’t need the vaccine. They know that.
Vaccinating those who are already immune is one of the key betrayers of the Big FatLie for pharmaceutical profit which now rules us all.
Ban the word “hesitancy”.

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago

Thank goodness some people have some sense and ability to assess risk. I’m pleasantly surprised the number’s that high considering what completely hysterical muppets most people are.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Occamsrazor

People trust the media. They trust the NHS. They trust experts presented by the media. Aside from petty corruption, such as expenses claims, they even, more or less, trust politicians.

When all these “independent” pillars of our society (government and “opposition” in unison) collaborate to deliver Project Fear, it’s no surprise that we become a nation of “hysterical muppets”.

A few of us haven’t been taken in. Maybe we were abnormally cynical, perhaps from bad experiences we’d happened to have had. I believe most of us need to accept we’ve just been lucky, as regards the psychological operation. In many cases, it’s not down to us being super smart.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  CovidiousAlbion

It’s not ‘luck’ it is common sense, sadly lacking everywhere seemingly..

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Woden

Actually, “common sense” is a tool of the flimflam. Propositions can become accepted by asserting they’re just “common sense”, similar to Gary Lineker asserting that face nappies were a “no brainer”.

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fiery
fiery
4 years ago
Reply to  CovidiousAlbion

I’m an ex nurse and have no faith or trust in the NHS having seen too many patients persuaded to accept treatment where the side effects or life changes are sugar coated by doctors and people are talked into having procedures which many wouldn’t have agreed to if they’d known the truth.
I was never duped by the Covid hysteria and had a fairly shrewd idea how this debacle was likely to pan out. No one would describe me as vaccine hesitant as I’m absolutely resolute I won’t be having the job jab. As someone with no health problems whatsoever I certainly don’t wish to engage in a game of russian roulette.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
4 years ago

“Research by the University of Leicester” – yet another institution that has taken cash from Mr Vaccine.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants?q=University%20of%20Leicester

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago

“As expected, ethnicity was also a major factor.” Sounds a bit patronizing!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Or racist.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

No. It’s just description – of a fact that is well known. Some ethnic groups have, objectively and quantifiably, shown a more intelligent response to the vaccines than the white British.

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Whatever it is, it’s deliberately devisive, like so much these days.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, when I read about Ebola, and the locals doing their very best to avoid the white guys in Hazmat gear with their Western treatments, I sorrowfully admit that I felt a moment of patronising superiority.
I would like to sincerely apologise. Their instincts were far better than mine. I was being very dim.
I’d like now to read a careful investigation on the Ebola outbreaks, focusing on how much money was poured into that, and who profited and by how much. Looking back, massive psy ops may have been going on there too – it was the same crowd.
Ebola exists … but who profited from it, and how?

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vargas99
vargas99
4 years ago

“Understanding these drivers is important, because without this understanding you can’t implement any interventions,” said Dr Manish Pareek, Associate Clinical Professor in Infectious Diseases at the University of Leicester who led the study.

And herein lies the problem. Instead of “implementing any interventions” , how about just accepting that some people have a different view, have done their own research and will not be coerced into this?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  vargas99

“how about just accepting that some people have a different view”

As considered public health strategy documents have recommended : leave it to individuals to assess their risk on the basis of good information rather than government and Big Pharma PR campaigns.

… and recognising that, since the end of WWII, it has been against medical ethics to coerce people into medical treatment. Basic stuff. Otherwise you’re with Mengele, not civilisation.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

So 23% of healthcare workers have a brain after all !!!

Going to be some serious pressure and guilt applied to them that’s for sure. Good on em.

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago

I didn’t read the article because…well, I didn’t think it was probably worth reading in full. So I don’t know if the study made any reference to first versus second injection, but a cursory glance at published stats suggests that the gov are going to face increasing difficulties persuading people to have a second dose of experimental “vaccine”, presumably because of adverse reactions people are having to the first, and increasing awareness of serious adverse reactions and deaths. In terms of reported deaths, I note that the growing numbers are not slowing down, contrary to the MHRA’s insistence that these deaths are predominantly among the elderly and those with underlying illnesses. Given that those groups were “vaccinated” some time ago, the growing numbers of post injection deaths suggests younger and healthier people are also dying.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

There’s a possible explanation for why the government switched strategy to increase the rate of people receiving first shots, at the expense of fully “protecting” the supposed vulnerable group (which, originally, were the only ones for whom the experimental injections were intended). Get as many people as possible done once, before news of the adverse reactions builds and spreads.

We know our government, and the WHO, are keen to inject us all. What we don’t know (aside from exactly why) is the extent to which one shot each is sufficient for their purposes.

Anyone who has had no immediate ill (or significant) effect from his first injection is likely to think “in for a penny, in for a pound”, I suspect.

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MechEng
MechEng
4 years ago

Are such groups, including also non health workers at other large work places where vaccines are encouraged able to get together to support each other and/or form a large group that represents all of them?

E.g. I imagine if the boss and/or human resources speaks to an individual and tries to persuade them to get the jab it would be easier for that individual if they could ask that another employee they nominate is present (that was common practice in my company that you could do that if you wanted for any uncomfortable discussions), or better still everyone insist the company have to speak to all 10, or 100 of them at once, or a nominated committee to ensure all the points are properly raised, the meeting minuted and pressure put on the employer etc to rethink.

I’m not sure where unions are on all this, I’m seeing mixed messages, so perhaps not much help, but it would be nice if there was some national group set up with suitable knowledge they could all contact who could help them in discussions with their employers and explain to them why attitudes like “Understanding these drivers is important, because without this understanding you can’t implement any interventions,” or “We urgently need strategies to build trust and dispel myths….” are missing the point.

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  MechEng

Group action would certainly help, but it brings the risk that your “representatives” concede on your behalf.

If, and when, it comes down to it, you need to stand up for yourself. If your boss demanded you played Russian Roulette, to keep your job, you’d surely stand quite firm.

Who knows how long a job is going to last, anyway, nowadays? If we ever return to sanity, you should be entitled to an unfair dismissal payout, from your firm – if it still exists by then!

Top advice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQXnQ0plDA

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MechEng
MechEng
4 years ago
Reply to  CovidiousAlbion

“brings the risk that your “representatives” concede on your behalf”, yes, I agree, very good point. I’m imagining if I was still at work and put in this situation I’d want for at least several of us to be present at once and not feel I’m the only one. I think I’m seeing it not as a negotiation, more a communication and putting the pressure back on them to back off and leave us alone.

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MechEng
MechEng
4 years ago
Reply to  MechEng

And to counter the issue that a survey like this is perhaps in effect controlling the message that gets back and not letting those surveyed control that message.

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David101
David101
4 years ago

And health care workers are more qualified to comment on the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. They know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Either that or my nephew is a monkey.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago

No surprise. The ONS ‘hesitancy survey’ showed that they expect younger groups to be more likely to say ‘No’, without taking into account the competence & intelligence of them in any specific group.

Age range hesitancy ONS.png
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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
4 years ago

Jab enthusiasts are white supremacists by their own woke standards.
Take the white mans vaxx savages

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Decanter

What are you talking about? The vast majority of those who’ve been coerced into getting this jab have been white.

Last edited 4 years ago by J4mes
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Royd
Royd
4 years ago

‘…or assuming immunity to Covid because of previous infection were some of the key reasons cited.’

That seems a perfectly reasonable assumption to make.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

Medics and nurses and care workers are the witnesses to the huge amount of adverse events and deaths post vaccine. That is why they are staying away from this poison. Read cdc VAERS. The numbers are going up so quickly in just a few short months. Same in the UK. Funny MSM refuses to write anything about this well kept secret.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

Excellent point!

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