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The Right vs the Woke State

by Richard Eldred
30 December 2024 7:00 PM

How should conservatives approach our woke institutions? Why, as all of public life has become politicised, is Parliament itself increasingly toothless? Reform has the populist, anti-system energy – but how should it aim to govern?

Public servant and writer Niall Gooch explains all that and more in this extract from the premium section of the Sceptic:

You can find the full episode here.

Tags: GovernmentPoliticsTony BlairTrans IdeologyWoke

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Ramesh Thakur
Ramesh Thakur
9 months ago

What the whole sorry saga also exposes is the extent to which the judiciary in the UK has become – or perhaps always has been? – corrupt and complicit in stripping people of their rights and transferring power to the state.

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago
Reply to  Ramesh Thakur

At least in the past they mostly managed a veneer of legality.

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MajorMajor
MajorMajor
9 months ago

Whilst the government’s response to the Covid crisis revealed its hidden but latent totalitarian instincts, the response to the Southport murders revealed its raw, unflinching nature.
The Covid crises made society to dig its own grave, Southport made society line up in front of it for execution.

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WillP
WillP
9 months ago

Surely the this information can be subpoenaed, and Starmer and the Police are possibly guilty of withholding evidence?

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  WillP

But the legal system is corrupt right to the top, look at the Simon Dolan challenge thrown out TWICE.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago

I think the riots/protests would still have gone ahead even if the government had been straight with the public from the outset about this ”Christian, UK-born Welsh boy” being a radicalized Muslim, but the vast majority of British patriots would not have been able to have been jailed because what was needed for that to happen was the lie and false narrative that they didn’t know the motive and it wasn’t terrorism-related, then the subsequent mass cover-up ensued. What is also noteworthy are the lies by the courts for the justification for sending these people down. The judges were accusing all that they sentenced of ”inciting violence/hatred” of others, but how can somebody expressing their sentiments as posts on social media platforms be proven to do this?

If I write words on a screen I am not then responsible for how anybody else interprets these words, let alone how they might subsequently act as a result, so where was the proof that anybody ( particularly the ”keyboard warriors”, who never even attended a protest ) caused anybody else to go out and loot shops or burn buildings? These people have been sent to prison on false allegations. If this ”inciting hatred/violence” is indeed a thing, why has Nick Lowles not been even questioned by police for his blatant lie about a Muslim woman having acid chucked on her? Is this less bad than calling police ”scum” or insisting the attack was indeed a terrorist attack?

”By now we should all know how the leftist playbook works. It is entirely predicable how the narrative will go. First, there is some horrific attack on innocent civilians somewhere in the West. Then the authorities and media will instantly insist that it was not terrorism. And it certainly was not Islamic terrorism.
The usual claim will be, “We do not yet have any motives for this attack.” Anyone who suggest that it sure seems like terrorism and Islamic terrorism are instantly branded as racists, Islamophobes and the rest. But if proof is there (eg., the guy’s name is Muhammad, and he shouted out “Allahu Akbar” as he carried out his assault), then the spin will continue. We will be told that he was obviously mentally ill, and moreover, he of course acted alone.

And then there is the other side of this tired narrative. If anyone does such an attack who is white, or a white conservative, or worse yet, a white conservative Christian, the authorities and the media will be all over it – immediately and passionately. “See, this is what ugly white nationalism is all about. See, this is conservatism in action. We must clamp down on racist Christianity now….”
The double standards here are as plain as day. But we see these scenarios being played out over and over again. I have documented all this dozens of times on my website. But consider the latest example of this. A horrific terror attack had occurred in late July in Southport, England where three children were stabbed to death at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class. At the time a 17-year-old male suspect was arrested. But once again, any talk of this being an Islamic terror attack was quickly squashed by police, the elites, and the mainstream media.

And when large groups of concerned citizens protested this and other attacks happening so often, they were met with a huge police response, plenty of arrests, and the media condemning them as stirring up trouble and engaging in ugly racism. Yep, the same old same old.”

https://billmuehlenberg.com/2024/10/31/covering-up-terrorism/ 

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Adethefade
Adethefade
9 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Except that, come the trial, this little runt is going to make his motive for the attack known: he knows he’s toast anyway and he’ll be a proud Jihadi. Keep the powder dry, but once the case is concluded Starmer and Cooper need to be pinned down and forced to admit whatbthey knew, and when.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago
Reply to  Adethefade

And I swear to god, if they allow him to hide behind a mask or in any way cover his identity when he’s on the stand, or even in the courtroom at all, I’ll bust a flaming blood vessel because that is unacceptable on every level. Plus, we know about the ricin and we know about the terrorist training manual, but isn’t it interesting there’s been nothing forthcoming from his own mouth as to his motives on why he did what he did yet? Either it’s because he’s not made a comment or it’s just one big media blackout at the behest of Starmer.

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MajorMajor
MajorMajor
9 months ago
Reply to  Adethefade

Not necessarily.
For example, I wouldn’t be surprised if the government came up with some reason why the trial must not be conducted in public, let’s say for reasons of national security.
The other thing we might need to consider is that the suspect might be trained what to say. This was a classic method used during the Stalinist show trials where the accused just effectively regurgitated a prepared script. All those months in custody, who knows what’s going on.

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago
Reply to  Adethefade

Not really, they need to go up against a wall.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

This is what I was reading on Twitter just after it happened, but there was no credible source so I didn’t share. All coming out now though;

”This is @HowardCCoxof of FairFuelUK Campaign who tells @danwootton
that the accused in the Southport murders of the three girls, at the time of his arrest used a Jihadi chant.

It seems the cover up by Starmer & Cooper knows no bounds.”

https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1853723321029763450

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Tonka Rigger
Tonka Rigger
9 months ago

He knew it wasn’t “inflamed by disinformation” from an early stage. It was merely an opportunity to demonstrate what happens to dissenters from the replacement, I mean diversity plan.

And because all of our institutions are completely captured – totally and utterly lost – it worked.

The Globalists won. The last few governments have largely destroyed the fabric of the nation off the votes of the gullible and ignorant. Personally, my priority is to bank as much as I can while I am still working and then get out and go far away at the earliest opportunity. Too late for salvation now.

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RW
RW
9 months ago
Reply to  Tonka Rigger

Asserting that some case is already lost is a typical tactic of those who are increasingly afraid that they might eventually actually lose it themselves and this case is going to become ever more loster the more they have a reason to be afraid of that. Everything humans did other humans can undo, ie, there are no lost causes for mankind.

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Tonka Rigger
Tonka Rigger
9 months ago
Reply to  RW

Well, I admire the optimism, and certainly over a long enough time frame all that we see happening around us may indeed be undone, but I think that timescale will be too long for me. My kids might see better days though and I have to live with that hope.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  Tonka Rigger

The Free World rests on Trump!

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Tonka Rigger
Tonka Rigger
9 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

And while I am most definitely not of the opinion that he is some sort of Messiah, I also have no doubt that his opponents will stop at NOTHING to ensure he is not elected/does not take power.

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RTSC
RTSC
9 months ago

Kier-Ching! lied …. and he is a coward, hiding behind “the law; hate speech and Parliamentary procedures.”

The Speaker “has form” when it comes to making Parliamentary rulings that suit the Labour Leadership and which are intended to appease the Top Tier Muslim citizens in this Two-Tier country.

As far as I’m concerned Peter Lynch’s blood is on his hands.

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RW
RW
9 months ago

It’s worth repeating that Starmer’s statement about this not being a time for “politics” and about respect for the grieving relatives of the victims instead of … were virtually identical to statements made (in German) by the mayor of Nürtingen, a town of about 50,000 in southern Germany (Baden-Würrtemberg), when a murdered woman was discovered there on 27th of October who had been a language teacher for ‘refugees’ and an Iranian man she had been teaching was arrested as prime suspect.

It’s obviously possible that the guy just copied Starmer but given the many parallells (down to the wording) between statements by English and German authorities during the so-called Pandemic, I still strongly suspect that there’s some central coordination behind government responses to events endangering this or that woke narrative. Ie, that – somewhere – there’s a set of PR professionals coming up with canned responses expected to ‘work’ in face of such occurences which are then handed down to the participating governments and other public institutions.

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Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
9 months ago
Reply to  RW

Thanks for this info.

It seems that we have a system which is coordinated across the West – whenever the imported people murder, rape, or rob our citizens – to divert our attention from the facts, distract us with lies, and deny the reality of what’s actually happening. Obviously this system of organised lying is designed to protect the imported people at all costs. At the same time it places the native peoples of the West in very great danger.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
9 months ago
Reply to  RW

I have been stating for many months that our politicians are not running the country and are in fact being run from elsewhere.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago

“Nevertheless, he insisted, it was “part of a spider’s web of disruption which caused riots”

And Palestine Marches (some called them hate marches) is not part of a “spider’s web”?

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago

“. The claim that these riots were directly caused by disinformation was always a bold sociological hypothesis at best; thanks to Starmer and his lackeys, it was treated as self-evident.”

That’s why people should always plead NOT GUILTY like the guy did the other day, and got it thrown out.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago

I’m no fan of Boris but the stopped clock analogy applies; He called Starmer an agent of the ‘Deep State’ before leaving Parliament.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
9 months ago

” “whether my dad should’ve been there in the first place”.

They will grow up knowing who the enemy is!

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago

Good.

Lenin, God rot the barsteward understood well enough, the worse it is the better it is.
Even normies are increasingly finding it hard not to see the cesspit of corruption that is the british state nowadays.

After just 100 days it is possible to look back on the 14 years of Conservative misrule that enabled the disaster of labour’s election win, as a quaint incompetent yet well meaning (it wasn’t really) interlude in the journey down the pan begun by the loathsome blair.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
9 months ago

Can I ask if there is any news about the Soldier Stabbed outside his barracks just before the Southport outrage ! How is he & what’s happened to the murderous alien who did it ??????

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
9 months ago

The gist of the riots is obviously the thing that matters for anyone interested in maintaining the health of the country and they know what the gist is, comprised of many factors, and they do everything they can to obfuscate the real gist. These people are worse than complicit. Just think about how much misery they are generating on every level. I have every sympathy with a person who feels that they can’t take it anymore.

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Algilzean
Algilzean
9 months ago

How can asking questions about what and when Starmer and Cooper knew prejudice the trial?

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Andante
Andante
9 months ago

I just stumbled on this article about the UK Liebour Government and its wide ranging dystopian plans it has for us. Fits in with the narative being discussed ATL.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/just-how-dystopian-can-starmers-britain-become

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