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Farmers Threaten to Bring Britain to a Standstill Over Inheritance Tax Raid as Hundreds of Tractors Descend on Central London

by Will Jones
11 December 2024 3:11 PM

Farmers have threatened to bring Britain to a standstill in a “war” against the Government’s inheritance tax raid as hundreds of tractors descended on central London today. The Telegraph has more.

Hundreds of tractors descended on central London today to protest the policy that sets a 20% tax on assets worth more than £1 million.

Vehicles lined up in Westminster on Wednesday morning before tractors, many decorated with Union flags and signs that read “No farmers, no food”, began a slow drive through the capital.

Matt Cullen, a protest organiser with Kent Fairness For Farmers and a beef farmer, issued a warning to the Prime Minister that protests could get worse if the Government did not reconsider.

He told the Telegraph: “At the end of the day, this is war. We hold the cards.

“We can bring this country to a standstill if we want to.

“They don’t appreciate anything farmers do – they don’t understand what we do.”

Liz Webster, founder of Save British Farming, told Sky News that farmers could also cut off food supplies in protest of the tax raid come the new year.

She said: “We would consider holding back supplies to show what we do.

“So yes, we will go to those efforts because we want the country to wake up to what the Government are doing, and if we rely on imported food, you will be looking to pay a lot more for lower-quality food. And if there [are] climate events, a war, then we are at risk of real problematic food shortages.”

It comes after more than 10,000 farmers, including Jeremy Clarkson, took to the streets of London last month.

Similar go-slow protests took place in Dover on November 27th, with tractors blocking traffic and taking up two lanes of a main road.

Attending the protest, Nigel Farage, the Reform U.K. leader, encouraged farmers to keep campaigning across the country.

He told the Telegraph: “In the 100 rural constituencies Labour now holds, they have to keep up this pressure. It has to be persistent in every market town.

“I believe this campaign will win but it won’t happen quickly and it will take time.”

In a direct message to the Government, Mr. Farage added: “Wake up and smell the coffee, it’s happening. You are going to lose all the seats in those rural areas if you don’t change the rules.”

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Farmer protestsFarmingInheritance TaxLabourLondonProtestRachel ReevesTractor tax

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

A couple of weeks ago Douglas Murray was congratulating Johnson for resisting additional Christmas restrictions in the face of such dire warnings because

“The experts had got it wrong this time”.

All well and good Douglass but, as Toby days in his introduction above, they have got it wrong every time both about Covid and many times previously.
Most notably with Ferguson over Foot & Mouth and who with Omnicon was predictedcting 5k deaths a month until very recently.

Last edited 3 years ago by karenovirus
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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The answer is that both the political and scientific leaders were ignoramuses.

And we trust them with nukes?

Unless it was and is still a ‘plot’…

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

and even worse, climate change

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

OO! You captured TWO trolls that time! Well done you!

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The experts got it wrong – again, but still the damage was done without any compensation or financial help to those sectors that so desperately relied on the Christmas period for business.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

the difference this time was the revelation of the twitter exchange between Graham Medley of LSTHM and Fraser Nelson of the Spectator where Medley admitted no positive outcome scenario was presented to the Govt. The Cabinet meeting that following Monday was decision between one of 3 options to further lockdown. The Govt chose none of them and, as it turns out. we didn’t get a million cases a day and 5,000 deaths

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lorrinet
lorrinet
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It would seem a logical position to take that if the ‘modelling’ always gets it wrong then STOP THE MODELLING!!!!!

As for that creature Ferguson – the unspeakable cruelty to millions of helpless animals – new-born lambs beside their dying mothers trapped in the freezing mud with no one to help them, their anguished bleating as they died enough to break any farmer’s heart – but not Ferguson, a man with no self-doubt, no empathy, no conscience. Ferguson is very like the Blair creature in that all the suffering and loss caused directly by them is dismissable as collateral damage.

Any decent human being would quietly retire from public life after mistakes of this magnitude, but this pair return like a pair of shitty boomerangs, ever-ready to committ the next mistake. In ferguson’s case, the tens of thousands who were supposed to die from Mad Cow Disease, once again necessitating the wholesale slaughter of entire herds, many of which were prize-winning and had been lovingly bred over generations by dedicated farmers, and who now lost everything. Ferguson didn’t lose anything though, not even his job.

Even so,it takes a special kind of stupid to go on and on employing such useless specimens.

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
3 years ago

Interesting. I see there is a very nicely drawn graph with lots of data points and helpful colour coding. I would love to offer some erudite analysis to add to the debate, but instead I’m going to say that I despise those bastards in SAGE. It’s not very insightful I know, but I feel much better now, thank you for reading.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Vent away Boomer Bloke, it’s s been a truism since the start of Covid that everything that SAGE has to say is diametrically wrong. I had high hopes when first hearing of Independent(?) SAGE but they just get things even worse, not unlike the Labour party when it supports new Government Covid restrictions.

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Independent SAGE are still apparently calling for online teaching?!

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

It clearly hasn’t occurred to these retards that the massive increase in positive test of teachers took place while the schools were closed. I know of two incidents of teachers spreading the sniffles between themselves while socialising over Christmas.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Citizen. You are showing disturbing signs of doubleplus ungood logical thought. Please report to your local re-education centre. You appointment has been booked Your attendance is expected.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

The BluePill – you are a reactionary element; you are sentenced to 5 years political reeducation in the Islington Gulag….

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Your comment led me to look up independent SAGE for the first time. Un-fucking-believable. They want all 5-11 year olds to be ‘vaccinated’, and they want masks in the classroom. My sister, a covidiot with a PhD(!) told me at Christmas that she got most of her info from them (in an attempt to find a broader info than MSM). It explains a lot.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Independent SAGE is run by those who think SAGE is too soft. The Pol Pots in relation to the SAGE Bolsheviks.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Michie is the most extreme of all of them – e.g:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/headlines/2021/jun/face-masks-should-continue-forever

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

This interview was the exact reason why I stopped wearing a face covering on the next day: Michie admitting that this was just a hobby-horse of hers and never really related to COVID. I still fondly remember standing in a slow-moving supermarket queue with the usual flashes of errant pain all over my body which go along with reduced oxygen intake and – also as usually – wondering whether I could stand this for yet another time instead of freaking out completely. I then remembered the interview and suddenly thought “Am I mad? Why am I self-harming just because this stupid, old cow wants this?” and pulled the damn thing off.

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annepassman
annepassman
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

You don’t get info from Sage. You get bias, propaganda , lies and misinformation. You get real info from “the daily scepfic”- that’s why we read it. It’s theo ly thing that keeps us sane.

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Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

I call for death by hanging of all member’s of indipendent SMERSH…sorry SAGE.

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annepassman
annepassman
3 years ago
Reply to  Bolloxed Britannia

There has to be something more appropriate as punishment. Something that “would let the punishment fit the crime”. Suggestions???

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No-one important
No-one important
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

You speak for many, Boomer Bloke.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Your comment made me feel much better, Boomer. Cheers!

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

“questions are now being asked about why SAGE’s modellers – and England’s Chief Medical Officer – were so dismissive of the evidence from South Africa three weeks ago showing Omicron was “very, very mild” and wouldn’t result in a big uptick in hospital admissions.”

If the SAGE scientists had watched the interviews – plural, nota bene – which GB News did with the South African doctor who discovered Omicron and had listened to what she had to say about her experience and observations of it then we would be in a totally different place right now.

She said, and I quote almost verbatim here, that it was so mild that “patients” were presenting to her with no discernible symptoms and only found out they had it when they did a test. It was so mild that she could not even identify what the parameters would be to require her to refer someone to hospital with it, and out of something like in excess of 90 patients she had seen early on in the Omicron wave, none of them had been referred to hospital.

Their arrogance and the fact, likely, that they are so drunk on their own power, as you would be if you are regarded as “the science” behind the UK government’s policy, is why they were so dismissive of the South African evidence.

We would not have had the damaged christmas, for families and the hospitality industry, and we would not have had the casedemic which has blighted the new term for schools, staffing the NHS, transport etc if they had paid heed to what was being reported in SA.

Questions do indeed need to be asked.

BTW – OT, but deserving of a mention. Huge shout out to Mark Dolan on GB News for his extensive monologue last night covering the exchange between the ICU anaesthetist and the health secretary. His script for this could have been culled from the DS BTL comments in recent articles on the subject.

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

They had no need to watch the interviews because none of this is anything to do with a virus.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

And to Neil Oliver for getting Mike Yeadon to explain in stark detail what SARS COV2 is all about…and to refuse to engage with ex Labour Sin (sic) Doctor for her anecdotal “evidence” – what does she not get about the oft made statement ( not least by Fauci FFS) that asymptomatic spreading does NOT drive the spread (NB, he does not say asymptomatic spreading does NOT exist – we all know how that can happen at the margins of increasing via load in an infected person). I had started to fear GBNews was morphing into ITV/SKY “Lite” – Farage, Oliver, Dolan and others have put a stop to that.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Does the throwaway line “left leaning” hide the real reason for their control freakery and Stalinist attitudes? God rot Michie and all her acolytes

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Has bozo stopped listening to their mumbo jumbo?

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It is ironic that Boris ‘son of a eugenecist’ Johnson said “mumbo jumbo“:

“There might be thought to be more than a hint of racial stereotyping in use of this phrase today. The casually racist belief in the gullibility of the supposedly childlike fuzzy-wuzzies was widespread when this term was coined, and it hasn’t shaken that off.”

The English have the Johnsons, the Welsh the Drakefords, the Scots, the Sturgeons. What an amazing indicator of the state of UK politics.

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jcd
jcd
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Johnson’s use of that phrase reminded me of the time when Wiltshire County Council banned a charity from all council owned property simply because someone from the charity used the expression ‘jungle drums’ in a discussion!
One black woman in the gallery complained that the phrase was racist!

Maybe we should complain and get Johnson banned!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Funny the so-called experts got it wrong.
Because we didn’t.
But I suppose we are experts – at detecting bullshit.

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dommo
dommo
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

exactly – that is our superpower!

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  dommo

One of my favourite placards at one of the London protests in the summer was ‘WE’RE THE ONES YOU FAILED TO FOOL”
Loved that.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

My favourite placard in London at the end of April 2021 was:

“GOOD PEOPLE BREAK BAD RULES”

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Sorry to bang on, but at times recently GB News has really sustained me, and at the end of his monologue last night Dolan said that mandating the jabs just isn’t defensible because “the virus isn’t bad enough and the jabs aren’t good enough”

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

A remarkable thing to hear. Emperors new clothes territory. And our OG gansta Dr Mike Yeadon was also on GB News yesterday from his hideout in Central America. Ultimately the tide is turning and profit motives will increasingly allow hitherto heretical views to seep in to mainstream discourse. My next worry (I mean, I’ve got be worried about something) is what they’ll do to distract everyone from the tsunami of fury that awaits those responsible. Anyway, I’ll bring the popcorn!

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I find that there are some people who have extremely good bullshit detectors – they almost immediately smell bullshit when it emerges – then there are those for whom it takes little while but eventually they smell the bullshit too – but then there are those who wouldn’t see bullshit even if it walked up and slapped them hard in the face – they are usually very obedient types who will never question any amount of bullshit that is being fed to them even if the bullshit is so obvious and makes absolutely no sense at all they will still swallow the bullshit whole – you will usually find those with poor bullshit detectors queueing up outside an NHS drop-in centres for their umpteenth clotshot because the NHS app on their iPhone has told them them must.

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

I can always smell bullshit when it emerges – never made me very popular in my corporate career as many get to the level of their own incompetence entirely on bull shit (and amazingly a few beyond…)

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Agree, me too. I became known before I (gladly) left the corporate world (stuffed with idiots) for calling out the bullshit. They put it down to me being Northern, but really it is just because I have a brain and am not afraid to use it…

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

Real actual management bs

“Do we have enough runway to land this? I can get it on train tracks and manage it with swimlanes”

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Same story here, Quizzical. I’d be a lot richer and smell a lot shittier if I could keep my mouth shut.

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Yes , the ones that “wouldn’t see bullshit if it walked up and slapped them hard in the face” are the same types that never get dry humour , a sarcastic joke or a play on words . It’s clown jokes only for these types hence the current circus.

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago

‘Astrology’!
I note from the full article, the modelers are claiming they were making ‘scenarios’ not ‘predictions’ and their work was ‘used in the wrong way’

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Actually, checking my horoscope for today, Russell Grant tells me that ‘Getting back to the hobbies and sports you used to enjoy will boost your confidence and improve your health’ which is probably a lot more useful than most government advice…perhaps there is something in it after all?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Astrologers have two rules: 1. be vague, (2)don’t tell people what they don’t want to hear.
If people no longer want to hear ‘Be very afraid, hide under the bed, stop living’, then the stars must be doing a good job.

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Have you read the Met office weather forecasts recently – they even have diametrically different written narrative from the pictures in the summary very often?

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

Indeed. I took MET and BBC to task – here’s a little bit of research I penned back in 2013:

https://public-highway.blogspot.com/2013/01/rainmasterall-since-records-began.html

And several months later, the MET Office put out a very public statement that they will not release any data to anyone who does not have “the appropriate credentials”.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

appropriate credentials i.e. won’t show they tell massive lies

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

I dare say Piers Corbyn’s weather forecasts are more reliable. I understanding he was barred from the bidding process when the MET office lost the BBC contract

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’d have said there was a third too – word it in such a way that it will be nearly impossible to say for sure whether it actually happened, to try to avoid being demonstrably wrong!

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Then why didn’t they point this out? If they did, but were ignored, they should have resigned rather than endanger life.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Arse-covering 101

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

“we woz only following (govt) orders (to not create predictions scenarios that weren’t scary)” doesn’t wash any longer.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

o/t. Attached is the top comment from yesterdays DS report of the Daily Mail article about Glasgows anti-lockdown/vaccine march.

The commenter is saying that the reason for recent mass protests in Kazakhstan is that their government was denying access to bank accounts without having a vax passport.

Any idea if this is true? Every report I read has said it was because domestic fuel prices were doubled overnight.

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This is a good overview Karen… and why Vlad cannot let the Kazakhstan unraveling continue…

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-kazakhstan-crisis-much-bigger-deal-western-media-letting

Interesting fact….note Russia celebrates Xmas on the 7th Jan…

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

10% held for the BIG guy….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Thanks for that interesting report but it does not address whether Kazakhstan’s unrest was sparked by Government denying people access to their own money without digital ID passport, the endgame of introducing vaxports in the UK and elsewhere.

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m not aware vaxx passports are a thing in Kazakhstan…

However almost 90% of vehicles in the western region run on LPG. That is a higher proportion than in many other parts of Kazakhstan… and a few weeks back prices doubled with no warning.

Though that is the zone where LPG is sourced… hence oil & gas workers went bat shit… as per usual tis geopols and ragging inequality…triggering mass angst.

https://www.wfdd.org/story/theres-chaos-kazakhstan-heres-what-you-need-know

Vlad will go in to stabilize assets located there that mother Russia depends on uranium and a key component of its rocket/ballistics program…

Its Muslim majority too needs to be kept in check….instability leaches unless nipped in the bud. Which is why any protests here will mimic Australia when the darker sanctions get fed in come summer.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Most (75%) of the mineral mining facilities are owned by western corporations, who export the profits as well as the minerals. That is why mineral rich Kazakhstan is deperately poor. The official leader of the protests is a fugitive banker and ex finance minister, currently residing in Ukraine. He probably had a hand in setting up the resource exploitation deals.

As for the muslim majority, they are no problem. The real problem lies with the radicalised ex-ISIS members shipped in from Syria (probably via Turkey which appears to have receive $10 billion ‘out of thin air’ saving its collapsing currency). These goons like to decapitate their victims.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Vlad the Injector?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Oops

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I got the impression it was about the sharp increase in LPG prices from twitter buzz,

the price of LPG (propane) in Kazakh was about 11 cents/liter in much of 2021, rose to 19 cents/l in Dec and in Jan to 27 cents.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The gas prices vary from region to region and from use to use. The highest increase was a doubling of car gas in Almaty, the southern regional capital.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Kazakhstan events were all planned and decribed in this 2019 RAND report. Kazakhstan is a standard CIA-run regime change operation, funded by the usual suspects, following the same playbook as in Venezuela, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Belarus … hijack legitimate protests in the hope of getting a fully pro-western stooge in place. Kazakhstan should be wealthy as it has massive mineral resources, but the mining rights are largely (75%) held by outside corporations who export the profits as well as the minerals. The official leader of the protests is a fugitive banker and ex finance minister now in residing in Ukraine. He will be declared by the US to be the recognised leader of the country (cf Guaido and Venezuela). Any Kazkh gold held in the UK ‘for safe keeping’ will be passed on to this guy, less a suitable commission of course.

The UK government has also recently spent $1.3 billion trying to instigate similar events in Russia.

The third part of the leaked Foreign Office documents. Why did Britain invest $ 1.3 billion in Russia?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Why did the UK invest in GAVI…..?

Don’t recall a Tory manifesto committing a future Tory administration to funding an unaccountable Swiss based organisation hell bent on world domination by vaccination…

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

If there is one lesson to be learned 🙂 from all this it is that ‘modelling’ is now wholly discredited as a planning tool. Presumably, the raft of climate modellers currently feasting on tax payers cash can now be given their P45’s.

Unlikely I know.

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

But HOW unlikely, exactly? I’m sure we could construct a model for that (given sufficient funding)

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

Funding allows the Met Office to renew its ‘biggest computer in Europe’ every two years.
As you approach their offices outside Exeter on the A30 there are two large white buildings in the new Science Park on the right. They contain much of the hard drive though most of it is underground.

The Met Office itself does not support, model or predict Climate Change, it merely provides the raw data that does.

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jcd
jcd
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Are you sure? This is directly from the Met Office site.

The climate is changing, and the UK needs to act. Part of this involves playing a leading role in global efforts to mitigate climate change by reducing emissions including implementing and delivering our own net zero target. Even given strenuous efforts to limit the cause of global warming, further climatic changes are inevitable in the future and the UK will need to manage the growing risks from climate change. To adapt and build resilience, up-to-date, credible and robust information on climate change and variability is needed to inform decision-making. UKCP18 is the latest generation of national climate projections for the United Kingdom and will provide users with the most recent scientific evidence on projected climate changes with which to plan.

Followed by 7 pages of predictions!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  jcd

They have clearly changed their mission statement since last I read it.
They used to claim to be Climate Chsnge neutral !

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago
Reply to  jcd

I would love to see the govt’s plan to stop the sun cycling between sunspot activity and quiet periods, a major influencer of our climate. Boris Canute??

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Maybe it’s time to allow “non-scientists” – educated people from “common sense” disciplines – to influence modelling?

In short: the sceptics, critical thinkers, and US (the general bloody public).

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dommo
dommo
3 years ago

jesus wept! anyone could have told them as soon as they said it that they would be wrong – because THEY HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THEY’VE EVER SAID!!!

there must be serious consequences for such abject failure!

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  dommo

The failure is that those in power listened to them.

This occurred because those in power surround themselves with ‘yes men’. Thus the people who make the mistake can advise the government that they had the very best possible advice and that the mistake was because ‘there are so many unknowns’. The advisers won’t tell government about the other models that don’t get things so terribly wrong.

Note that this is reflected across all scientific advice given to government, including advice on the importance of universal vaccination, vaccination of children, facemask effectiveness, vaccine effectiveness, the role of vitamin D, repurposed therapeutics, etc, etc.

However, politicians are too used to dealing in a land where there is only opinion, not verifiable facts — whether a given policy works or fails usually depends on how you look at it. Medical science, however, can be verified — eventually we will know the net impact of different covid mitigations.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

So we need political reform to encourage veracity in public life, the de-politicisation of science, and the separation of different spheres of endeavour to avoid conflation and multiplication of error.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes, plus Tucker/Sotomayor above: they regard us as machines.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Doesn’t help one iota when the PM is in league with then married to a one eyed green monster who is so indispensable she has to attend working lunches, as part of her “without portfolio” brief, irrespective of the NPI’s she clearly doesn’t believe in when in private. A virtual signalling harriden before her “time”… .

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  dommo

should whitty have the knighthood removed for being so wrong about Omicron? Wonder how many bars and restaurants shut down over Christmas never to re-open because they couldn’t afford to after that.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

No, but he should for the untruths he has uttered ( partial data as “whole” fact during Number 10 Press briefings, NHS advert statement) not least the bollocks he stated about missed Cancer etc treatments NOT being a facet of lockdowns ( ?”…..a reverse of the truth…?).

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

Their record is as bad as it can be.

Their models are wrong at a fundamental level; this has been clear since spring 2020 and I don’t know why anyone listens to them.

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

They are politically, intellectual and emotionally unable to grasp the concept of sunk costs. You can almost hear them sitting around the cabinet table saying, ‘we’ve spent/invested/wasted all this money on our covid policy/strategy/nudging, we have to keep going

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

We used to call sunk costs ‘money down the drain’.
And we used to say Don’t throw good money after bad.’

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

where I come from we still do!

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Why should they worry? They have been on 100% salary (plus expenses?) throughout making good political connections.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

I think they are very good at being susceptible to the sunk-cost fallacy, but genetically incapable to assess and incorporate collateral damage and as such net benefit/cost.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

And it’s not their money, so why should they care!

When taxes rise to pay for it all the Covidians will doubtless be outraged because they didn’t see this coming a mile off…

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

The reason the government listens to SAGE is because their sole task is to dream up worst case scenarios to justify government policy as exposed by Fraser Nelson’s twitter exchange with Prof Graham Medley.

Last edited 3 years ago by CovidiotAntiMasker
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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

SAGE >Carrie>Bozo…

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Adamb
Adamb
3 years ago

What bothers me about all the talk of omicron being so mild, is that all the insane measures taken against the original “lethal” variants remain justified in the minds of most people.

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bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
3 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

If anything comes from Omicron, it is that the original over estimation of how quickly Covid spreads being a rationale for restrictions is now completely exposed as lies.

I also still think the first “wave” was from September 2019 and no one even noticed. It was only when they started looking that they found.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

100% bang on

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

and correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t the modelling for the original “lethal” wuflu a bit on the wrong side too?

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago

It seems to me that the ‘credit’ being given to Johnson for ‘resisting the doom-mongers’ calls for more restrictions’ is ludicrous and itself somewhat hysterical. Johnson was under clear pressure due to events within his own party. The revealing of Lord Frost’s resignation, combined with the revolt from around 100 Tory MPs, pretty much had the tyrant backed into a corner. I’d suggest that self-preservation, rather than a sense of what was morally and rationally correct, was behind Johnson’s decision not to impose harsher restrictions.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

He has survived this long only due to the censorship and propaganda he has wielded, which shielded him from scrutiny. In normal conditions, the resistance would have won totally ages ago, owing to proper exposure in the MSM, political attacks from opposition and less politeness from our ‘rebels’, and input from the public.

He deserves no credit for his incompetence, lethargy, cruelty, arrogance and constant lies. His political project has failed and was always a cynical mirage.

Last edited 3 years ago by BS665
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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Yep, my view exactly.

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Bellingcat
Bellingcat
3 years ago

How can Dr. Davies say reports that Omicron being less severe were ‘anecdotal’ when South Africa data as early as 25th Nov showed a divergence between exponential case growth and deaths / ICU admittance? This takes either a special type of stupidity or wilful bias.

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Capecorona
Capecorona
3 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

By December 11th when this rubbish was published the data in SA was nailed down solid.
Do these people have no shame?

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Capecorona

There were media reports of a South African variant back in Feb 2021 … which seemed to disappear from the news … only to reappear at a politically convenient time in Decmber 2021. The UK regime needs some excuse every 3 weeks to keep the scam going (cf the 1984 Public Health Act on which all of this is pinned). Hence the recent extension of 3 weeks based on absolutely bugger all. ALl it does is give the mad modellers more time to come up with more BS.

The 1984 Act establishes the idea of a state of emergency in response to a ‘significant and imminent’ threat. This threat has to be reassessed every 3 weeks to allow the state of emergency to continue. How on earth something as vague as a ‘variant of concern’ can be considered ‘significant and imminent’ is beyond me, especially when their existence seems to be known months in advance time after time. Why on earth haven’t Sumption and the rest called the government out on this blatant abuse of power?

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PaulMac66
PaulMac66
3 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

https://web.archive.org/web/20211126173158/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/how-scientists-detect-new-covid-19-variants/

Omicron has been in existence before July last year.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Yes, on reading ‘anecdotal’ my eyebrows went walkabout.

It’s great isn’t it? They can paint stuff any colour they like. They quite happily cite their ‘observational studies’ as a basis for restrictions in schools. On the other hand, the mass of observational/anecdotal evidence (Ivermectin, masks, etc, etc) ….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

WHO was recently warning “don’t call Omnicon mild” that because of the sheer numbers of people catching highly contagious Omnicon health services worldwide were still being ‘ overwhelmed’.

Another interpretation would be that “despite huge numbers of people now contracting covid/Omnicon the variant is so mild that health services worldwide are facing no more pressure than usual for the time of year.
Additionally the vast majority of people who emerge unscathed will now have some level of protection from future infection which is itself a cause for celebration”

Fat chance.

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

The government chooses it’s advisors and the remit to the modellers.

The government are listening to the wrong advisors and the wrong modellers.

The blame lays squarely with the government with their only saving grace being they could have made the situation even worse than they did already.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

There’s still time to make it worse. More jabs are coming. Also, the ‘covid state’ will take years to dismantle. There needs to be separation between scientists and politicians to avoid this happening again. De-politicisation coupled with a plurality of voices in science must be the way to go. Maybe in future a committee of mixed-opinions should be placed above or alongside the PM to help plan and resolve a true crisis.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

There is a carefully contructed circle of denial of responsibility. The buck is passed round and round the circle ad infinitum.

Then there will be the inevitable Inquiry with a very narrow remit led by a safe pair of hands to announce that “Mistakes were made. Lessons have been learned. It is time to move on”.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

We need a separation between scientists and big pharma money, a separation between governments and big pharma, and a separation between billionaires and governments. The system is utterly corrupted.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

very well said

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Not to fear

Right on cue ‘Deltacron’ arrives

Omicron-Delta ‘hybrid’ gets sinister name — RT World News

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Oscarone
Oscarone
3 years ago

What doesn’t kill you makes you strong.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Oscarone

The biggest load of homespun bollocks ever uttered; if you don’t know why, I suggest you shut up.

Big clue: ask. e.g, Afghanistan/Iraq veterans to explain….

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago

May be the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine should just stick to tropical medicine

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

Why qualify it to just “about omicron”?

When have the Doom Priests been right about anything?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Given that the legislation approving of the vax passports was based on these bullshit predictions will they be reversing the imposition of this disgusting authoritarian abuse?

No need to answer.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

Headline typo fixed:

“SAGE Gloomsters Admit They Were Wrong”
Can we now get round to suing the sh*t out of them for damage willfully caused?

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago

Best ever advice I took was when in an interview with Mike Yeadon just before (or just after) the jabs were being rolled out across the UK he encouraged people not to rush into getting the jab – don’t have the jab just so that you can go to the pub again or tavel abroad – be patient and wait a few months and see what happens before accepting the jab offer. Well, I waited and after a few months and reading about the side-effects and possibly even deaths linked to the vaccine and then witnessing those side-effects first-hand among family and friends I decided to refuse the offer and the longer this jabbing madness has gone on the more I’m convinced that I made the right decision thanks to Mike Yeadon.

Mike Yeadon 5min video interview with GB News worth watching before it gets taken down by Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGDZ2oowfU&t=82s

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

#me too

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Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Don’t forget this is only half the interview- the vaccine bit is redacted, so view the whole thing on the complete show upload – scroll to 19.27 if you missed the live show 👍

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Barbara Baker

So GB News is self-censoring? A pity. I wish they’d let Youtube do any censoring, then loudly complain that YT can’t abide free speech whereas GB News believes in it.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

didn’t see that last night so thanks for posting.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

The Scientists have tried similar things with foot & mouth, where they did actually almost a destroy an industry, bird flu and then Aids, all to bring in funding. We need some stringent Rules, Laws, whatever, to stop governments allowing this to happen with impunity

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

https://brownstone.org/articles/why-is-the-human-being-not-like-a-machine/
The deeper problem with the modelers and those who listen to them was exposed yesterday by Justice Sotomayor: they primarily regard us as being machines, not humans.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

The “modellers” always over-egg the pudding, whatever the circumstances or what they may be modelling. I guess it’s in the nature of these people to predict Armageddon, and then bashfully admit they might have got it a bit wrong. Just arse-covering and theatrics, really.

Then, of course, we now know for a fact that they model scenarios either to order or to fulfil expectations of people who receive them e.g. dumb politicians, corrupt and ineffectual media bodies and the rest of the gallimaufry of “interested parties”. Cuddly, optimistic (realistic) models won’t put the fear of God into the huddled masses, so something a bit stiffer is called for.

If it weren’t serious, it would be a complete joke. Where are today’s Tom Sharpes and Kingsley Amises to put this farrago into enduring words?

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Zionist
Zionist
3 years ago

Just got a phone call from the NHS, flogging off vaccines. At least they had the decency to wait till Shabbat had ended, but I still wasn’t buying.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Zionist

were they offering you BOGOF

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Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
3 years ago

Any bell’s ringing in the hall’s of power yet?….is there fuck! Because it’s all planned, subjugation and Totalitarianism is the name of the game. Anybody still think it’s about a public health emergency?

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago

Police stand down to avoid confrontation with big protest crowds in Luxembourg.

https://twitter.com/thejuggernaut88/status/1479947849940946944?s=21

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Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Good to see

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

They let it go because they saw they have no chance. Not because they want to cooperate. Unfortunately.

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Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
3 years ago

Is this not the point where we all simply laugh in their faces – Ceaucescu style? Then watch the bastards run like rats off a sinking ship…. it is beyond farce and they need to know they are fooling no-one who has any sense.
Maybe Neil Oliver could tee up an interview then as they start to spout their rubbish play the chorus from The Laughing Policeman🤪

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Barbara Baker

Remember to block the Mall, because that’s where a light plane can land and take off.

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Barbara Baker
Barbara Baker
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Thanks – insider info always welcome 😁

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago

Instant Karma …

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1480042600388128771

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago

Love this ….

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Star
Star
3 years ago

Testmania

Mixed messages are going out in Britain today about testmania. Is it about to be called off, at least for the time being? Or will it continue? Who knows?

Perhaps somebody is about to ask “Where did all those billions of pounds actually go?” Let’s hope so. Apparently £6bn has been spent pocketed on the production, distribution and administration of the tests themselves, not counting all the consequential damages which may well have cost even more. I don’t think the £500 payments are included in the £6bn figure either, so the actual “cost” could easily have been £10bn or £20bn so far.

In one month – 10 or 20 billion pounds. Whooooosh! That would be huge even for a weapons contract supplied over several years. The “health” sector is much bigger than “defence” (in both Britain and the US), but still, this is biiiiig. That size of contract or group of contracts will certain come with a large PR expenditure, whatever the sector.

From a behavioural conditioning point of view, the critical assessment must surely be that testmania has been a great success. Millions of people get told “Put a stick up your nose to see whether you’ve got the lergy”, and millions of people neurotically rush to get sticks and stuff them up their noses, their attention riveted on a little white plastic gadget as if it were the latest codswallop on Facebook or Google’s Youtube. Is there any sign that a proportion of the testmaniacs have applied their reasoning and decided they were a bit wrong to be so gullible? Any sign that they wouldn’t act the same way again? Any sign that they have learnt anything other than to behave THIS WAY when they receive THIS KIND OF STIMULUS?

I submit that there has been no noticeable level of “extinction”, to use a behavioural science term.

And next time, the behaviour that is encouraged may well be significantly different.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago

Another public step in the oh-so-gradual walkback.

If I was the chief clown, I’d make sure that there are plenty of “we over-estimated” and “we only wanted to protect citizens” quotes from the Whitty/Vallance/Sage/UKHSA brigade. The health secretary has already made sure that everyone knows they’re not his decisions, that he takes “advice from experts” in that Kings consultant/Sky video that everyone and his dog must have seen by now.

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Sajid Jabit wasn’t walking back when he attempted to discredit Steve James Consultant Anaesthetist with a doubling down jab promotion piece in today’s Mail on Sunday.

Last edited 3 years ago by CovidiotAntiMasker
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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago
Reply to  CovidiotAntiMasker

Haven’t seen (and won’t) the MoS piece, but I did go and look at the Mail Online’s piece on the MoS piece (strained, I know) having seen your reply. It’s full of known-to-be-nonsense, like ‘90% of ITU patients are unjabbed’, that Jabbit’s boss has had to retract. God knows who wrote Jabbit’s drivel for him. No-one believes that anymore, not even MoS readers.

I did post elsewhere that the walkback will be glacial … two steps forward, at least one and a half back, certainly to begin with. It’ll have to be if they don’t want to be lynched.

Sorry if I’m a glass half full sort of person.

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A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago

I don’t wish to denigrate GP’s, the NHS, scientists or the public but I know a lot of people who, even before covid19 was flagged up, would have been on the phone to their GP at the drop of a hat if they discovered so much as a spot on their bum. What surprises me is that anyone was surprised by the government’s usual ‘you caught us completely off guard again’ response to contain the spread of this nonsense. I really wonder, in this instantly connected day and age, whether we’re expecting too much from a bunch of people who at the best of times seem completely incapable of managing or running things in any coherent manner. They must themselves question why they still exist, I certainly do. We need to find a new way to manage our affairs without them, asap.

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Innocent bystander
Innocent bystander
3 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

Pills vs Lifestyle

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Innocent bystander

Presumably the downtick is from a fatty.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

🤣 🤣

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Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
3 years ago

Do we deduce that Boris is now aware of the source of all the mumbo jumbo?

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marcusc
marcusc
3 years ago

Anyone seen Susan michie 🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  marcusc

Here it is!

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

What a revolting looking bint. But as she’s a champagne communist I guess that doesn’t matter?

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refusenick
refusenick
3 years ago

These ‘modelers’ must be the ‘experts’ that asswipe Javid thinks know better than highly qualified medics.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago

Here’s an “anecdotal report” for you, SAGE:
Among the hundreds of acquaintances of the 10 adults in our immediate family we know of only one death from Covid, suffered by an obese diabetic man who was denied proper treatment early in 2020.
In contrast, we know over a dozen healthy, active persons who have died suddenly, strangely, and inexplicably, shortly after getting the shots. And a half dozen others who have precipitously slipped into their dotage, come out of cancer remission, or developed an autoimmune disease.

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Roger A
Roger A
3 years ago

Chart Title “Number of infections etc”
Pie in the sky given this

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf 
 
“RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to
distinguish whether infectious virus is present. The quantity of intact virus in upper
respiratory swabs will be affected by factors that are endogenous and exogenous to
laboratory methods.”

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Hugh_Manity
Hugh_Manity
3 years ago
Reply to  Roger A

Exactly. Just to emphasise (as it has been in the actual document), “…but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.”

And there you have it. The government admission of the whole covid fraud exposed in less than one sentence.

Just let that sink in.

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh_Manity
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Susan
Susan
3 years ago

“SAGE Gloomsters.” That’s cute.
Let’s not make light of the destruction they’ve wrought. Purposely wrought.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
3 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Also, let’s not make light of the authorities who blindly followed the advice of these shysters, the media which egged them on with fear porn, the pharma companies and their tame politicians, the medical establishment that said nothing (or worse, who cheered) when the long established pandemic protocols were swept aside in a second, the giant finance companies who pulled the strings in the background …

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
3 years ago

Very similar going on in Australia now. Here is the NSW data.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
3 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

I just realized that the ‘case’ rate in NSW (population ~8 million) is roughly double that of the UK! Yay us!

Last edited 3 years ago by Brett_McS
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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

About everything – as planned.

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

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hurleyp
hurleyp
3 years ago

All computer models say what they are programmed to say. Models are not magic working crystal balls. The model designers/programmers wanted a frightening result, so that’s what they coded the models to produce.

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Hugh_Manity
Hugh_Manity
3 years ago
Reply to  hurleyp

“Rubbish in, garbage out”

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  hurleyp

And the idiots in Government were scared shitless so they chose to listen to an organisation that had been catastrophically wrong with all their forecasts on foot and mouth, BSE, SARS, Bird flu etc.

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vivaldi
vivaldi
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

It’s more likely they weren’t scared by any modelled scenarios but actively promoted them and used them to justify the draconian restrictions preceding the vaxx programme. It is the funding behind the depts producing these outrageously overblown projections which reveals the global actors pulling the levers. Nothing has happened because the government were scared in to it.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

Maybe it’s just that their assigned role is to be fatalistic and wrong – so that bozo can “outshine” them and appear as pursuing a “measured response”. I mean, that would be a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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pirate jack
pirate jack
3 years ago

Why change the habit of a Pandemic?
They’ve been wrong about everything every time.
However it suited Johnson Javid (a very dangerous big reset man) Gove ect to carry on fearmongering and laying down restrictions.
Easier to govern that way without scrutiny and they will of course be lining their pockets whatever happens.

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martinbritnell83
martinbritnell83
3 years ago

They’ve been wrong about everything else too

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Simon
Simon
3 years ago

Should Imperial College refund the £millions received in fees from government for this erroreous work as well as for BSE, Foot and mouth, SARS and MERS?

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
3 years ago

Parliament, with the exception of the Covid Recovery Group abdicated its scrutiny function from the start of the pandemic. These models are deeply flawed and have led to unnecessary restrictions and hardships being introduced across the globe. Most implausable of all was the idea that thousands of deaths could have been prevented “if only we had locked down sooner”. A lie endorsed by Jeremy Hunt’s incompetent Health Select Committee among others. It is essential that these mathematical models are deconstructed and exposed for what they are: wild guesswork if we are to avoid a similar situation ever happening again.

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George Morris
George Morris
3 years ago

The graph showing weekly moving average cases down by 6.7 percent does not tell the whole story. In a game where a day matters a seven day moving average is by definition three and a half days late and if that average is delayed three days to enable full data gathering and there is a further day late in publication the figures will be almost meaningless. The day on day figures for my part of Scotland show a drop of almost a half. The figures for Scotland as a whole are over 50%

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

“Wolf, wolf! there’s a big, bad wolf ……. run and hide.”

“yeah, wotever.”

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

Fixed that for you

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago

The “woollen” jumpsuit of SARS COV2 government responses is unravelling daily, e.g. Aussie retired medic slaughtering in print his State’s Labor (sic) Minister, ONS et al data showing this is now all about jabbed infecting the rest, Government Ministers lying about the incidence of jabbed WITH CV19 vs unjabbed in ICU using demonstrably out of date data and La Dorries using a minutely representative data set and extrapolating it to the WHOLE NHS with no explanation how she reaches that conclusion, acceptance that Omicron is EXACTLY as described by the SA Doctor, Joel Smalley and his fellow Statos shredding the CMO/CSO/SAGE “official” interpretation, GB News interviewing Robert Malone and Mike Yeadon, NHS unjabbed Consultant giving Javed an object lesson in “vaccination” verisimilitude….

And now we “hear” that from March, “things” will be very very different.

Not the most insightful comment but PREDICTION: Nudge Unit and SAGE will be rewriting history and their previous criminality to demonstrate how well their policy decisions “worked”…watch for articles, TV adverts and the like …”getting their witness statements in early”.

Last edited 3 years ago by 186NO
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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

“Dr. Davies argued that while South African doctors were already finding Omicron appeared to be less severe, the reports were “anecdotal” so the School of Hygiene’s supposition was ‘a reasonable assumption to make at the time'”. And that’s the critical point, that the modelers dismissed evidence, when it should be the other way round, with evidence dismissing the models. It has been like this all the way through, with models, ‘belief’, money and power being dominant over evidence and rationality. None of the the govt’s (or oppositions, or media’s) pandemic responses have been driven or even guided by rational thought.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  SimCS

If you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

They’re NOT ”cases”.
And obsessive testing has slowed down. The addicts must be running around like headless chickens.

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flyingjohn
flyingjohn
3 years ago

Nothing will change until these public sector people are subject to the same analysis, performance measurements and sanctions as the private sector. Most normal people would be fired for this level of incompetence and ineptitude.

At the very least Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson etc should publicly apologise for their errors. Whitty is personally responsible for massive losses of income and perhaps some bankruptcies over Christmas by scaring people into staying away and cancelling Christmas parties based on inaccurate and plainly wrong scaremongering. If he and the others faced sanctions they would be more careful with their forecasts.

Last edited 3 years ago by flyingjohn
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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  flyingjohn

AND they should be MADE to acknowledge publicly their conflicts of interest. I mean ”publicly” – not just some obscure ”well, yeah, okay, a few shares – whoh’evah” sort of thing.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago

Answer to recent email to MP pointing out the undeniable fact that his – several times stated and still seemingly unwavering – support for this Governments SARS COV2 policies is no longer tenable and citing what that is, and has been so.

This is the reply: has anyone else had this or similar? And this is a person who has personally and financially profited from his supply and ancillary actions by being promoted a while ago to PuSoS….ie. salary increase….

“Hello,

Thank you for your email regarding Covid-19 measures.

It is something I have received a lot of emails on over recent weeks, across the spectrum in terms of differing views and opinions. Ranging from some who would like a complete removal of any and all measures, to others who support the introduction of more measures and possible lockdowns.

As such, it is unlikely I or the Government will be able to satisfy all concerns with this response and the actions taken, but I will set out my own thoughts and position on this.

I support measures which are proportionate and balanced, which take account of the status of the virus and the impact this is having.

Key to understanding this is not only looking at the number of cases, but also the seriousness of these cases in terms of the subsequent levels of hospitalisations and deaths we are seeing. This helps us to understand in more detail, what impact the virus is having on the population and also on the NHS.

With the arrival of Omicron at the end of last year, it was important to respond as we ascertained the severity of this variant and possible impacts it might have. This resulted in travel restrictions being placed at short notice between the UK and countries with higher risk.

As further data has emerged from the UK and abroad, it has become apparent the strain is not as severe as initially feared – particularly when opting for the booster vaccine to offer greater protection.
As such, the Government took the decision to avoid introducing further measures in England, thought he devolved administrations took a different view on this.

Having analysed the data closely over Christmas and into the new year, it is clear that cases continue to remain high due to transmissibility of Omicron, though due to the effectiveness of the vaccine in ameliorating symptoms – we are not in the same position we were in previous waves as the relationship between cases and hospitalisations has been severely weakened. Given the current picture, the Prime Minister confirmed yesterday that additional measures would not be introduced beyond those currently in place, pertaining to working from home where possible, masks and covid passes for large events and nightclubs.

I know the latter is something that some constituents have raised and have concerns over. It is important to note that it is not necessary for people to demonstrate their vaccination status as part of this, as unlike many other countries with similar systems in place, a negative test is sufficient here.

As I say, having received a wide range of emails on this from both sides of the debate I know this may not satisfy everyone’s individual concerns, but hope it is useful in setting out my own view and that of the Government. Targeted, proportionate and balanced measures are what is needed to try and ensure we can go about our daily lives as much as possible, while not allowing the virus to overwhelm our healthcare system. This is something that is being monitored incredibly closely as we have seen some initial pressures being reported, resulting in the cancellation of some routine procedures.”

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annepassman
annepassman
3 years ago

They refused to accept the info from Angelique Coetzee because a) she is not a member of sage or nervtag and b) because what could the Head of South africa”s health service know about anything? Their arrogance and stupidity their bias and lies have cost ever-y person in the UK very dear both physically, mentally, educationally and economically, but who will take them down.They ought to be barred from ever speaking in public again or giving any opinions

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Newman20
Newman20
3 years ago

They’ve never got anything right and should be sacked without any compensation.

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