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by Richard Eldred
21 November 2024 12:38 AM

  • “Why Jeremy Clarkson could be Britain’s Donald Trump” – Jeremy Clarkson’s current defence of farmers may catapult him into mainstream politics, says Guy Kelly in the Telegraph.
  • “Jeremy Clarkson’s time has come” – It’s a reasonable bet that if Jeremy Clarkson stood for prime minister tomorrow, he’d win by a country mile, writes Philip Patrick in the Spectator.
  • “Starmer’s brand of politics is dying – Clarkson could deliver the fatal blow” – The public are turning to heterodox outsiders all over the world. One man is ideally placed to do so here, says Allister Heath in the Telegraph.
  • “Jeremy Clarkson: populist tribune” – Starmer needs to do everything he can to ensure Clarkson’s ideas do not involve the words: “Reform U.K.”, “Start Up Party” or worst of all “the Tories”, writes Tom McTague in UnHerd.
  • “Allison Pearson’s police interview ‘Stasi-like’, says Labour MP” – Graham Stringer, the MP for Blackley and Middleton South, says the police should be focusing on fighting crime rather than intimidating journalists and threatening press freedom, according to the Telegraph.
  • “‘I don’t always agree with Allison Pearson but I will defend her right to free speech’” – “Unlike some cowardly liberals, I believe in solidarity among journalists when one of us is under attack”, says Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph.
  • “Millions wasted on Police and Crime Commissioners who refuse to stand up for us” – In the Telegraph, Dia Chakravarty exposes the wasteful £100 million spent on Police and Crime Commissioners, who, despite earning six-figure salaries, have overseen a dramatic failure in solving actual crimes.
  • “Essex Police ‘forced me to quit as their hate crime ambassador’” – A hate crime ambassador at Essex Police claims she was “forced out” of her job after raising concerns about Black Lives Matter, according to the Telegraph.
  • “BBC Verify used Labour activist to back Government’s claims on farm inheritance tax” – The BBC’s fact-checkers relied on a Labour activist, billed as an “independent tax expert”, to analyse the farm tax raid, reports the Telegraph.
  • “BBC Verify quietly changes farm tax ‘fact check’ amid political bias row” – Guido Fawkes exposes BBC Verify’s sly edits to its farm tax “fact check”, from mislabelling Labour activist Dan Neidle as an “independent tax expert” to cutting his dubious claim of “below 500 farms affected”.
  • “Full timeline: Rachel Reeves’s CV claims” – As the curious case of the Labour MP’s CV rumbles on, the Spectator’s Steerpike has pulled together a list of exactly which of her claims have been challenged and when. 
  • “Rachel from accounts” – Of course, all politicians lie and exaggerate. But our Chancellor Rachel Reeves is comedy gold at it, writes Paul Sutton on his Substack.
  • “The NHS neurologist freely spouting antisemitic hate online” – Blaming Mossad for 9/11 and sharing speeches by Holocaust deniers may sound like the actions of an anonymous conspiracy theorist, but are in fact attributable to an NHS consultant neurologist of 21 years standing, says George Chesterton in the Telegraph.
  • “Why is the National Book Award going to a publisher of antisemitic books?” – One might have thought that the announcement that a National Book Award will be given to a purveyor of antisemitic and homophobic tracts would have caused a bit more of a stir, writes Mark Oppenheimer in the Free Press.
  • “Labour has opened more migrant hotels than it has closed, admits minister” – The border security minister says more hotels for asylum seekers have opened since Labour came into government, reports Sky News.
  • “Baillie Gifford winner refuses prize money over fossil fuel ties” – The winner of an unprecedented literary double has refused to accept a £50,000 prize until the sponsor publishes an exit strategy for its fossil fuel investments, says Sky News.
  • “Europe’s extensive use of renewable energy leads to an unexpected challenge: electricity becoming excessively cheap” – According to Smith Noah in Jason Deegan, Europe’s triumph in green energy has ushered in an unforeseen predicament: excessively cheap electricity!
  • “‘A little dirty’: inside the secret world of McKinsey, the firm hooked on fossil fuels” – In the Guardian, Ben Stockton and Hajar Meddah expose McKinsey & Co as “capitalism incarnate”, revealing how the consulting giant profits from both greenwashing and fuelling the climate crisis.
  • “The truth about ‘workshy’ Britain” – Whether it is down to illness or laziness, a rising number of Britons are living on the charity of the state, says Ross Clark in the Spectator.
  • “Covid Inquiry set to cost £208 million – enough to pay more than 5,000 doctors’ salaries” – The Covid Inquiry is set to become the most expensive in British history with a projected total cost of £208 million, reports the Telegraph.
  • “What RFK Jr. can do as Secretary of Health and Human Services” – On Substack, Alex Berenson presents 10 ideas to shake up America’s $4 trillion healthcare-industrial complex.
  • “Army drones among swathe of defence projects to be axed in post-Budget cuts” – The British Army’s main drone system is to be axed in a swathe of post-Budget cuts to the military, reports the BBC.
  • “Labour is scaling back our defence capabilities while our enemies do the opposite” – Scrapping amphibious assault ships, helicopters and drones leaves our Armed Forces all at sea, warns Ben Wallace in the Telegraph.
  • “Europe prepares for WW3 as Germany reveals national defence plans” – European nations are gearing up for an all-out war as Ukraine launched U.S.-made missiles into Russia for the first time and Putin officially lowered the threshold for Moscow to consider a nuclear strike, reports the Mail. 
  • “Putin, ascendant in Ukraine, eyes contours of a Trump peace deal” – Putin is open to discussing a Ukraine ceasefire deal with Trump but rules out making any major territorial concessions and insists Kyiv abandon ambitions to join NATO, according to Reuters.
  • “Tweeting the poop emoji at a cabinet minister, quoting politicians inexactly, calling a Green fat and stupid – all of this is criminal speech in the freest and most democratic Germany of all time” – Activists, police and Green politicians have been conducting a years-long stealth campaign to prosecute Germans for their political speech on the internet, writes Eugyppius on Substack.
  • “Social media ban for under-16s ‘on the table’ says U.K. Government” – Tech Secretary Peter Kyle says banning under-16s from social media is “on the table” to keep kids safe online, according to the BBC.
  • “What on earth is Jaguar thinking?” – Morse famously died of a heart attack on his final case. If he could see what has been done to his beloved cars, it would break his heart all over again, says Alexander Larman in the Spectator.
  • “Jaguar, the car of McQueen and Jagger, is plumbing new lows” – Jaguar, once a symbol of pride in British design and engineering, has been reduced to empty platitudes, laments Ed Cummings in the Telegraph.
  • “Backlash as diversity activist champions controversial Jaguar rebrand” – According to the historic carmaker’s vocal diversity champion, a widely ridiculed rebrand of Jaguar is designed to “shift it to a whole new space”, reports the Telegraph. 
  • “Jaguar’s bizarre rebrand will drive away customers” – By turning its back on heritage and history, Jaguar risks paving the way for its decline, warns Matthew Lynn in the Telegraph.
  • “The Left’s war on men is backfiring disastrously” – Young males are moving to the Right. But as birth rates collapse, this is a bigger problem than politics, says Joel Kotkin in the Telegraph.
  • “California’s next governor or head of Planned Parenthood — what Kamala Harris could do next” – Taking the top job in her home state of California might be on the Vice President’s agenda, but she could also be eyeing a presidential run in 2028, writes Susie Coen in the Telegraph.
  • “Meet the Rees-Moggs” – The first trailer of Jacob Rees-Mogg’s reality TV show has been released.

🚨 NEW: The first trailer of Jacob Rees-Mogg's reality TV show has been released pic.twitter.com/WfU6XUccjg

— Politics UK (@PolitlcsUK) November 20, 2024

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago

Colin has a fair point with regard to transgender politics – especially given his professional perspective as a biologist.

However this is only one area. The US right has also been moving further right. Above all, since the advent of the Tea Party, the idea of finding a consensus seems to have broken down.

The most serious manifestation of this is Trump’s direct assault on the electoral system itself. His refusal to accept his electoral defeat is as fundamental a challenge to democracy as you can get. The whole thing relies on the loser accepting defeat without trying to start a riot and a coup.

US politics seems to have diverged in both directions.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

A coup is when the armed forces of some country take over government (or try to do that). Nothing like that has happened in the USA.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

The Jab 6th ‘insurrectionists’ were the most forgretful insurrectionsts in history, to a man they forget to bring their guns, it is almost like they were unarmed protestors.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

shot by police who were cheered on by the lugenpresse, unlike if they’d been “mostly peaceful” black looters.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Unarmed white woman gunned down by black law enforcement officer…..

Crickets.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Well, if you’re going to get all semantic about it, a coup is defined as ‘a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.’

Attack on Capitol/QAnon.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

How on Earth could those people have seized power from the government? And exactly what violence did they use?

You’re hysterical.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

138 police officers were injured, 5 people died from various causes, and politicians were in active fear of their lives.

Maybe you support Trump, but this kind of question is not dealing with the issues

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

You haven’t answered my first question.

And as for violence, we know an unarmed protestor was murdered by a black policeman. How did the other 4 die?

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Trump was trying to engineer a sufficient breakdown of law and order, such that he could find an excuse to call out the military.

This was alongside all the incorrect accusations of electoral fraud.

There was a moment when US democracy was under genuine threat, which is incredible in the 21st century.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

 The whole thing relies on the loser accepting defeat without trying to start a riot and a coup.

Or going around for four years with placards reading ‘Not My President’?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

or forging documents to allege Russia swung it for not-Clinton.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Both sides have gone to extremes, I agree with that.

But wearing a placard is a very long way short of all the actions Trump tried to reverse the election result.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

“Trump tried to reverse the election result.”

How, exactly?

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

By doing anything he could to overturn the result in enough states to make him win

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Of course, I mst have missed the universal acceptance of the Brexit vote.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

Nothing illegal has been tried against Brexit. Trump tried to reverse the election illegally.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

My comment was in reply to “The whole thing relies on the loser accepting defeat without trying to start a riot and a coup.“

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Wish I had a good searchable index of Tucker Carlson clips. He did a great program not too far back contrasting clips of Trump-delusionals like you ranting about refusal to accept the obviously corrupt 2020 big tech and big media election theft being a “threat to democracy”, or words to that effect, with clips of the Democrats declaring “not my President”, and that the election was stolen, after the 2016 result.

Shameless hypocrisy – what the woke globalists accuse others of, they are almost invariably guilty of themselves.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It’s not even as noble as hypocrisy, it’s simple denial and lies.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

As I said above, Trump actually tried to reverse the election result by illegal means. That’s a world apart from individuals declaring their refusal to accept Trump as president.

I agree both sides have gone to the extremes, but only Trump has been actively illegal.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

What illegal means?

Please spell them out.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

I-l-l-e-g-a-l

Fake accusations of electoral fraud, menace of lawmakers and electoral officials

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TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Not the best example to make your point. Attacking the electoral system is not evidence of a political stance. What if there were problems in it? And, with the Democrats’ ability to harvest absentee ballots, they clearly had at least one unfair advantage.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

JFK’s election was denounced as a fraud because of the left’s electoral cheating even back then.

But what do we expect, they call the right racist when it was the left that fostered the KKK.

The Republican party was founded to combat racism, but that just gets shouted down by them.

Trump was so racist he was the first country club owner in Florida to accept membership from blacks and jews.

Right wing values are those of working hard to better oneself, There is no racism in profit.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Trump is the least racist person in the world. He told us that.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

The alleged abuses of the electoral system were looked into very thoroughly, often by pro-Trump judiciaries. None of his accusations stood up, yet he continues to repeat them.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Fingers dribbling as usual.

The evidence in the movie 2000Mules is, if not irrefutable, then highly compelling and grounds for a major investigation.

You should watch it Fingers, you would learn something, but of course you would find every miserable reason to wriggle out the evidence.

How can the right possibly find consensus with identity politics the left has promoted as a means of division?

Why would the right abandon the scientific realities of two sexes? Why would they support the Marxist BLM whose leaders are now openly flaunting their theft of funds by buying mansions for their personal use?

Why would the right support violence in the streets as a solution to racial differences?

I could go on but it’ll make no difference whatsoever to you, will it Fingers?

You’re an apologist for left wing violence as a response to political differences.

Trump was the most peaceful POTUS in living memory. The economy was booming under him, support amongst black and hispanics for him was at an all time high, Not a single smear against him was ever proven other than he shagged a porn star.

The problem people like you have with him is that he was about to pull the rug from under the far left, fascist, globalist’s. Your illusion this greatest ever attempt to impose fascism on the world was imminent is about to collapse, as every utopian dream of the left always collapses, violently.

Laughably, the very people the left branded as evil fascists and Nazi’s are the very ones destroying fascism and Naziism as we speak.

The US mid terms will be a left wing blood bath. It will inevitably lead to Trump’s triumph in 2024 and there’s not a thing snivelling nonentities like you can do about it, but what’s even funnier is, you are all in complete denial of these realities.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Well said, Red.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The evidence in the movie 2000Mules is, if not irrefutable, then highly compelling and grounds for a major investigation.

Their narrative was compelling, but the evidence, not so much yet. If they could follow a device ID round multiple drop boxes, they had the timestamps to get the CCTV for all those boxes too, hell just a few following the same person going to more than 1 box would have been enough, the couple they showed did not support the claims they made IMO. And why not name those organisations supposidly running this opperation if their evidence was so stong? Dint pass the sniff test after a while. Non of it would hold up in court, if it did there’d be grand juries being sworn in by now.

If they do release ALL their evidence, we can look at it and decide. Until then it looks like a very slick doc, with excellent cinematography, cashing in on at $30 per time from ~50% of the US population who want believe it, evidence be damned.

I almost bought it myself at first, then watched a couple of reviews pointing out the inconsistancies and had a rethink. This is one I watched, can’t remember the others I’m not subscribed to from suggestions, there’s some about that had lawyers commenting too that made good points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Haq0ak0ZU

I’m inclined to believe there was shinanigans just on the turnout for Biden, but I’ve not seen any concrete evidence, certainly nothing that would hold up in court; it’s all circumstantial until they release ALL their evidence IMO.

The cambridge analytica thing was much stronger, but that got covered up.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The very first claim this so Youtube called ‘examination of the evidence’ that there were no images of the same person dropping off ballots to different ballots to boxes was torpedoed by DeSousa when he released images of just that. The same guy at two drop boxes.

The moron presenting this video presents his credentials at the beginning of the video. He’s a video game, amateur sleuth purporting to have solved all manner of video game related crimes.

My gosh. If only I hadn’t wasted years of my life training to be a police officer and understanding the nature of evidence, I could just have picked up a Donkey Kong console and saved the country a fortune.

He discussed the case of the fat woman discarding her gloves after dropping ballots in a box, whilst scoffing at the four million minutes of video evidence DeSouza had, yet he didn’t show this woman at multiple drop boxes.

The video was only 90 minutes long, and theres four million minutes of video footage!

The cellphone tracking data where a route was plotted is known as circumstantial data. It’s almost impossible to convict someone on circumstantial data alone, although DNA evidence is both circumstantial and almost irrefutable.

The 28 box route shown in the video isn’t in itself sufficient. However, multiple instances of the same type of pattern almost certainly presents compelling evidence that there was organised fraud taking place. It’s simply not credible that multiple people in certain states were visiting more than 10 dropbox locations per 24 hour period. The fact that they were mostly e dead of night is also compelling when viewed as a multiple example.

In the case of one route showing 28 drop box visits it might be credibly claimed that someone was doing a survey or something, another checking security (why, when there are camera’s present) and another perhaps photographing damage to the boxes.

But when the same thing is done multiple times by multiple different people, all visiting charitable organisations (presumably left wing) during their routes, the inference and therefore evidence becomes a robust example of circumstantial evidence.

DeSouza is not saying his information is sufficient to convict people, he’s presenting what he has as sufficient to provoke a proper investigation by law enforcement i.e. the FBI.

Furthermore, he was refused a great deal of video evidence under FOI requests. Why? That would be the job of a formal and confidential investigation to establish.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

that was just 1 example there are more with lawyers commenting.

like there wasn’t enough time to add 2 mins to show 5 seconds of each of 24 drop boxes or whatever with the same mule, that woulda been a slam dunk; and why not name the orgs co-ordinating it if it was right on?

without more evidence it’s a cash-in and divide thing, and it gives the purps time to start the shredders/dispose of evidence. If it was on the level they’d have presented the evidence to a DA or something before going public. something still smells iffy to me.

Looks like there’s more evidence comming out now, so maybe we’ll see an investigation if it’s not bluster, but as I said it’ll take more than he showed in the film <shrug>

I researched the Cambridge thing, total cover-up, they’re all ‘actors’ to me, playing a part, or we’d have seen one of them do a real number on 9/11, or Boston or any number of things they could throw a real spanner in the system works with, if they weren’t all playing the same game of charades.

I’ll wager now nothing serious comes of this mules thing, there may be a few little people take the rap, but nothing serious, no replay of the election, nothing to change things – if anything does change it will be in the systems favour while claiming they fixed it, that or they’ll divide the plebs even more.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

BTW the “same guy at different drop boxes” thing you say he released (besides it was after the UEG video so unfair critisism)…. look at the pictures again…

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1524865266894897152

Same guy, but also same drop box, they edited the frame to make them look different, you still think it’s all on the level?

Like I said, smells fishy, and after that twitter stunt, smells even fishier

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Trump’s refusal to accept the rigged results of a hopelessly compromised and viciously corrupt election was a direct challenge to this most fundamental attack on democracy in the modern era.

There, fixed it for you.

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Trump spent years try to fix the legal system in his favour.

In many states, the local system was pro Trump.

Yet they still found against him.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

How very unsurprising to see you parroting establishment lines again! I’m not a Trumpist by any stretch of the imagination but I do think that election was thoroughly rigged.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Just a helicopter view of the circumstances is enough to convince anyone that something stinks. Biden got more votes than Obama? Please…….

Virtually every bellwether states were won by both Obama and Trump, as they had been by every other elected POTUS, but Biden won almost none.

Trump’s ahead by a considerable margin, then counting is stopped, and when it resumes Biden is well ahead. Explained away by the influx of late votes or something, yet counting had been ‘stopped’.

Republican election officials being illegally locked out of counting and polling stations with cardboard taped onto windows as they stood outside.

The vicious campaign against the Maricopa county forensic audit.

Should it bother us in the UK? Damn right it should. Tower Hamlets elected a left wing local government which had no website, virtually no Twitter or Facebook presence and did virtually no canvassing with few, if any, leaflets handed out.

That one stinks as well.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I remember that turn of events well because I was staying up to watch the voting. At one point Hills were even offering me a 90% cash out on my bet for Trump to win such was his lead and the result being pretty much beyond doubt.
I turned in and when I caught the news next morning, it was clear something fishy had gone on!

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Fingal
Fingal
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Trump is part of the establishment – born stinking rich, and stayed that way

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A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago

What you/they call yourselves is now meaningless to me. I for one will not be counting on politicians to save me. Expect nothing and you won’t be disappointed!

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

this is the problem with people expecting politicians to do things for them without taking the responsibility, the question becomes in order for the state to aid you, what do you have to trade away in return.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Indeed. Always be on the look out for what people are asking for. If it is people railing against something the state is doing and want them to stop doing, fine. If it is the government ought to build more houses, increase wages or eradicate this virus, then we have a problem.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

We are, once again, in accord.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Whatever happened to championing resilience? That used to be a national trait. Tough as old boots etc.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

The most dangerous sentence in the world is “The government ought to do something about that”.

Followed closely by “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. (Reagan).

We have no one but ourselves to blame for inviting these charlatans into our midst.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

We have no one but ourselves to blame for inviting these charlatans into our midst.

You get the government you deserve. Surely the two years of Covid taught us most people do what they are told and want someone else to do the thinking.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

It’s all relative.
I, as a small c conservative, am now an extreme right winger to those who’ve moved ever leftwards. I didn’t move but they did.
As it’s been pointed out before, the inevitable consequence is that none of the LibLabCon ‘big three’ resemble the names of their parties.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I am a socialist but I am also a common sense realist who agrees with Peter Hitchens and other right wingers who correctly call this stupid and pointless lockdown and its associated rules as “an hysterical overreaction” and I certainly would vote for an extreme right wing candidate given the chance.
I certainly distance myself from the other socialists,Liberals,Greens, etc who support this never ending madness.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Most traditional Labour voters are against mass immigration and tended to vote for Brexit. The modern Labour Party hesitates to define what a woman is, lol.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

I find it amusing that former left wingers still claim to be left wing. I think the term ‘realist’ is more appropriate.

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TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

It is indeed relative. Labour position themselves as far right at they can without upsetting the true lefties, the Tories position themselves as far left as they can without upsetting the true conservatives, and the others fight for any leftovers.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

The difference being that the cons have now moved so far left that only their core, extremely tribalist voters believe in them. The true conservatives now have noone to vote for. Possibly Reform may offer something, but even they seem to be pretty much on what used to the ‘wet’ wing of the cons.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  iane

The Libertarian Party UK. They now occupy the position conservatives used to populate.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

You are only occupying the position the conservative party occupied many years ago.

In the absence of classic liberals who were further right than conservatives, the space is now occupied by the Libertarian party.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

Leaving aside the issues with the whole idea of right and left as opposites, either side of a “moderate” centre, one issue here is that modern wokeists are actually no more radical or extreme than leftists always were, they just have more power, and society is much less capability of resisting their nonsense.

The ideas that are respectable dogmas now (no such thing as race, no importance to nation (for “bad nations” – British/English/Russian etc, obviously, not for “good nationalisms” – Irish, Ukrainian), homosexual activity no different from heterosexual, easy divorce necessary, society better if women do whatever men do, etc) would in most cases have been viewed as just as insane by our great grandparents as the extremes of wokeness today are by the sane.

Does this mean that some of these woke idiocies will be accepted as normal in a couple of generations? Perhaps.

Does it mean these things must have been good after all because we’ve gotten used to them? Not at all. Many have clearly been disastrous. We just have had to live with them.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

homosexual activity no different from heterosexual

You’re clearly stuck in the last century. Heterosexual activity is just another violent method the patriarchat employs to maintain its grip on power. As such, it’s extremely evil and really ought be eliminated. In contrast to this, homosexual activity is what liberates us from the ancient yoke we were all sweating under, it’s thus absolutely glorious, essential for the future of husomethingkind, especially the future childless husomethingkind, and has to be celebrated publically at every opportunity.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

But only of course until the “man boy love” (or whatever they call themselves today) and “animal love” activists get their turn as the fashionable radicals, and get to treat the homo activists the way the trannies now treat old school feminists.

The revolution often devours its own, apparently.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

With food shortages on the horizon, they may need to.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You mean like Harriet Harman supporting the PIE (paedo information exhange)

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A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

I think you should have added (sarc) at the end

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

I’m a believer in old-fashioned, overblown hyberbole 🙂

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  A passerby

No need. Perfectly clear what RW was saying, and how.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Not only that, but lesbians who won’t have sexual relations with intact males who identify as female are transphobic TERFs.
That’s not sarcasm – it’s insanity, but that’s where Stonewall are now, and there are government departments signed up to such BS.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Its almost like having endless bouts of syphillis haven’t done Peter Tatchel any good.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Terrible news!
The enlightened bummer class are suffering far more adverse vaccine effects than the nasty heteros.
The whoopsie community are very highly vaccinated and as the vaccines are wrecking their immune systems they are becoming very ill with a host of STDs that they endlessly cross infect one another with, it really is terriblly sad.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

This ‘absolutely glorious’ activity you mention has one small drawback, the eventual extinction of the human race. Is this the Great Reset everyone mentions?

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TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Wokeism saying no such thing as race? If only it did.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

Fair point, I misapplied the dogma of the previous wave of woke to the current one, there.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The fact that the intelligence community tried to deny the hunter biden laptop and the content therein, on top of the Clinton campaign illegally surveying the Trump team, trying as they might to fabricate a Russia connection, shows just how wrong you are.

They have immense power. They dominate that element of the state which is continuous between administrations and is deliberately intended to be so. John F Kennedy and Eisenhower both referenced these hidden hands decades ago and it is this unseen battle which is dragging everything down with it.

The people know it, that’s why the “drain the swamp” battle cry was so popular, as little as Trump was able to do about it.

I can’t think who they’ll put up this time around to prevent Trump’s run. Harris is a joke, and was surely prime candidate as she ticks all the boxes.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Wasn’t it within days of JFK saying he was going to expose the CIA for what they are, he was assassinated?

His election was also the subject of credible accusations of vote rigging I believe.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

that there would be a strong power base, unelected, continuous, within the infrastructure of the state is a deliberate construct. Too dangerous to put these into democratic realm.

The problem is, it seems as if it is a first concerned with its own survival and increasing power, as opposed to defending an sense of justice or liberty.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Wokism is riding the crest of a wave. It will crash onto the shores of reality eventually.

We’ll be left with a mild hangover but like every other political fad we have been through over the last 70 years, it has a finite life.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

woke or no woke, there’s nothing going up my arse!!

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

The left have gone batshit crazy, and of course, when this is pointed out, they will deny it, because they are batshit crazy.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Aptly put.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago

Debunking a cartoon with a chart is like answering a love poem with a syllogism.

When what they’d rather do is stamp on your head until you agree with them (or at least stop thinking).

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago

I am afraid I can’t distinguish a liberal from a bigot these days.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

I’ve long been stuck with the Gordon Brown definition of ‘bigot’.
Someone you insult in absentia and then spend several hours apologising to.

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TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Ah yes. A not-to-be-forgotten illustration of the contempt in which most politicians hold their voters

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

The very definition of Oikophobia!

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

self-styled progressives, who love to talk about the importance of ‘lived experience’, are awfully disdainful of their critics.

I never really got the mantra of “lived experience” just because one person has a different experience to another person, does not mean they should get preferential treatment, life is life, everyone has ups and downs and happiness and sadness, no one has it easy.

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TheGreenGoblin
TheGreenGoblin
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Preferential treatment, no—but there should be an acknowledgment that the world is complex and all genuine points of view should be taken seriously.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

Points of view, yes. A delusional break with reality, no. The first job of psychiatry is to attempt to ground the patient in reality, however painful. Indulgence has consequences.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenGoblin

You take someone seriously when they tell you there is no difference between males and females?

That’s a cause for ridicule if ever there was one.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

I just watched the documentary ‘2000 Mules’ that shows the digital evidence proving that leftists were engaged in a massive ballot stuffing operation. They filled the unguarded voting drop boxes (that were put into place in order for this fraud) in the name of making voting safe during covid.
We are expriencing a global coup.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oixT54v5mO10/

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

As with so much the lunatic wokesters do, it is worth reflecting on its implications. Why all the effort? Why the need to infiltrate all these disparate spaces? Why rig elections? Why do any of this?

Because none of it is natural. None of it emerges on its own. It takes enormous resources to maintain, and they are running dry. As depressing as all this activity is it cannot last because so much of it runs counter to human nature. Trans kids, multiculturalism, fake money. None of it can last without all the bolstering. And when that goes the backlash will be epic.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Why all the effort? Why the need to infiltrate all these disparate spaces? Why rig elections? Why do any of this?

Because the left believes it must win at all costs because every leftist has a utopian vision of their sunlit uplands.

The problem is, every leftist’s idea of utopia are different, which is why they always end up eating their own.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The drop boxes were not ‘unguarded’. Technology was called on to ‘guard’ the boxes, and when it was used to expose the fraud, it’s being ignored.

So what was the point of installing all those camera’s? Many of which didn’t work because they were mysteriously switched off.

If anyone want’s to view 2000Mules but can’t afford it, it’s available free on Pirate Bay. Get a free VPN like ‘Private Internet Access’ and you will get around your ISP.

Your jaw will drop……..

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago

I identify with this. I am heading from slightly left to more right all the time these days. The new left only seem to represent the interests of the so called intellectuals and preserving their wealth, ease and comfort.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

The division in politics these days are globalist progressive versus the traditional nationalist.

The Tories and Labour are both slightly different offerings of the globalist progressive cabal, as different as Pepsi is to Coca-Cola.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Absolutely. Left and Right is meaningless. You are either ruled by some foreign landlord, or a local crook you can find and hang from a lamppost.

It amazes me people think Left/Right means anything. This year, under a Conservative government, we are on track to experience the greatest influx of foreign nationals in Britain’s entire history, all several thousand years of it. Why would anyone think these people are Conservatives?

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Yep – if you’re more inclined to believe the labels for what’s happening than the evidence for what’s happening, you’re in trouble.

A classic example: all those dreadful things caused by “Covid” or “the pandemic”, not by governmental actions.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago

UN confirms The Great Reset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rs5oxfypHg&t=325s

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chris-ds
chris-ds
3 years ago

I get the sentiment but the Conservative party is effectively where the middle guy is, not sure who is actually that far to the right.

we can all agree that Labour did go far left with Corbyn and is pretty far out there to the left along with the greens and Lib Dems.

if anything conservatism is centre right.

the left continuously try and link the Conservative party to far right parties, it’s about time graphics/pictures etc like this made a proper distinction between conservatism and those further along on the right, it’s not “right” that they be linked.

perhaps we need an up and down too?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

A spectrum from global to local works. Most people can live with their local council cutting the grass and maintaining swing parks. But not so many are keen to send billions to Ukraine. Even fewer want 50 million Africans to come here.

Localism solves most of our problems.

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EppingBlogger
EppingBlogger
3 years ago

In both the UK and USA it would be interesting for people to try to put their idea of where political parties now stand on the axis. Maybe a band would be needed as the position of parties on different issues varies a bit.

I am sure there is no Westminster pasrty that falls to Colin’s right.

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cloud6
cloud6
3 years ago

I rather like this one, can you guess where I am?

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thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
3 years ago

The decline of the left is deadly serious. The traditional debate between left and right has been about collectivism versus individualism and the left has acted against the right-wing drive towards the second. The new woke left does not care about the interests of the working class or the poor, only about the interests of fringe groups, often simply made up, characterized not by individualism in the classical sense but rather the atomization of society – individualism taken to the extreme. This is one of the big reasons we now see our Western societies at the mercy of unbridled corporatism which may well end in a purely fascist society.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is

Socialism has always been about predating on the poor to the benefit of a wealthy elite political class.

What they sell is the concept that ‘come the revolution’ the party faithful will all be a member of the elite class.

The truth is, the poor suckers are always surprised when they are fed to the wolves, especially if they have any talent or ability.

The fact also is that the elite eat each other as they scramble to lord it over everyone else, and it inevitably deteriorates into a society functioning on the threat of violence if ever a challenge is made of the elite, even by each other.

Can any of us point to a stable, functioning socialist society which doesn’t operate on capitalist principles?

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

Right and left as political concepts are dead. It’s billionaire gangster criminals and the rest of us. That’s all there is to it. Eradicate them, and we can start talking about politics again.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

There have always been “billionaire gangster criminals”. They are not the problem. The majority of the public who take no interest in politics and are complacent about who holds power are the problem.

People were acutely aware of politics following WW2. It’s our generation and those following who have destroyed the debate by imagining WW3 couldn’t happen again tomorrow.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

People mean so many different things by “right” and “left” that the terms are now more likely to start a useless and unhelpful fight between people who share the same feelings on many important issues, than they are to illuminate anything.

I care about what people actually say and do; not about what label they choose to give themselves.

I’m on the same side as all those who were and are opposed to the lockdowns, opposed to the forced masking and opposed to the coerced injections. When I vote in the Australian federal election on Saturday, I’ll be voting on politicians’ attitudes to those issues alone.

In France, Macron could have been defeated; if not for the successful labelling of Marine Le Pen as “far right”. It blinded people to her actual views today; just as the label “far left” works with others.

Labels give instant messages (with or without “far” attached): wrong, not acceptable. No further inquiries or interest necessary.

In WW2, people who regarded themselves as being of the “left” and of the “right” came together to defeat Nazism. Some of them actually ended up with respect for different points of view on many other issues: able to talk politics, rather than simply hurl abuse at those with different perspectives and condemn them for their suspected beliefs.

You don’t know what a person believes until you ask them, and then listen to what they have to say. You might then disagree with them intensely – but at least your disagreement will be based on something better than the suspicions produced by a label.

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rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago

I often ask a few questions about what the difference really is between ‘Liberals’ and ‘Conservatives’.

  1. Do you believe in the family unit, despite all it’s potential for imperfection?
  2. Do you believe that value is added by all members of an organisation or is it only the shareholders who do that?
  3. Do you believe that the USA is the sole force for good in the world?
  4. Do you think there is any fundamental difference between the US Deep State and the EU?
  5. Do you believe that stock markets were once a valuable source of risk capital and liquidity but have now been perverted by bots, high frequency computer-driven trading etc?
  6. Do you believe that small/medium-sized enterprises are the backbone of the UK economy?
  7. Do you believe that going to University makes you grow beyond order-giving as a mechanism of management?

I find very little difference between traditional liberals and traditional conservatives in all those areas.

So we get down to arguing about sexuality; about how rude you can be about what things; about the Royal Family and hereditary privilege; about how, if at all, you control national populations; about which methods of education work best (and the truth is that none work best for all, all you are doing is arbitrarily or cold-bloodedly assigning superior value to one form of ‘learning’); etc etc.

The fact is that traditional liberals and traditional conservatives agree far more than either do with the wokist Left.

Personally, I think there is a big natural majority in the electorate which opposes ‘wokism’.

The problem is that the media, the brainwashers have decided that Wokism is the mechanism to force coercive control on whole populations….

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dearieme
dearieme
3 years ago

I’m such a conservative that I decline to use “liberal” in the American sense of illiberal.

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