Just Stop Oil and Labour Party paymaster Dale Vince wants bacon sold like cigarettes, with grim cancer warnings and unbranded packs. The Telegraph has the story.
He said meat and dairy should come with health warnings, citing bacon in particular because it is carcinogenic.
He told the Sunday Times: “Changing what we eat is the biggest single thing we can do to reduce carbon emissions to improve human health.
“The role for government is to give us better advice, to put health warnings on meat and dairy products, to change the menu in the NHS and our public institutions.”
Mr. Vince, the boss of Ecotricity, the green energy firm, is a vegan. He said tobacco-style regulation should control bacon sales, after warnings by the World Health Organisation (WHO) in 2015 that “processed meats” were a group-one carcinogen. …
“The medical science is very clear that eating more plants and less animals is better for our health,” Mr. Vince said. “Also we know, for example, bacon is a carcinogen and it is classed by the WHO as a class one carcinogen alongside tobacco.
“Now look what we do with tobacco. We hide it behind roller shutter doors, we stick it in unbranded packages with pictures of diseased organs on the front. That’s how we deal with tobacco.
“Bacon? We stick it in a supermarket, we stick the face of a happy pig on it and we say to people, it’s OK. But we know that it’s not OK.”
He suggested a meat tax could be another way to deal with the problem.
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Vince is able to create a toxic atmosphere entirely unaided. He sucks the life out of any logical argument.
He’s just promoting the Globalist agenda to force all of humanity except the elites into Veganism, as part of the New Feudal World Order.
They want to go back to the good old days of Serfs & Lords, where meat was reserved for the elites, and serfs were forced to be vegetarians eating gruel, because the lack of meat protein and iron makes people weak and docile, with multiple health problems, to stop them from rebelling against their “masters”.
Eat More Bacon, with plenty of fat on it!
Now look what we do with tobacco. We hide it behind roller shutter doors, we stick it in unbranded packages with pictures of diseased organs on the front. That’s how we deal with tobacco.
I think it would be a really good idea to “deal” with Vince Dale in the exact same way as he’s certainly more carcinogen that bacon and tobacco combined. It’s just that nobody bothered faking the statistics to correlate him with bad long-term health outcomes yet.
Are you suggesting that the “statistics” linking tobacco to cancer have been faked? If so I think you’re probably mostly correct. Tobacco (and bacon) may very slightly increase the risk of certain types of cancer but I’m pretty sure the risks are massively over exaggerated.
Well we should not defend tobacco. —When we open up a dead smokers lung the damage is clear. But notice how because the damage is clear that climate alarmists like to use that as an analogy for the “climate crisis”. They seek to scare people into accepting that that climate change will be dangerous just like tobacco is. But it is a very bad analogy as tobacco damage is clear whereas climate damage as a result of humans is NOT CLEAR———–On bacon I need to check facts and data before I pass comment.
Well we should not defend tobacco. —When we open up a dead smokers lung the damage is clear.
That’s an amazingly silly claim. I’ve been smoking for the last 36 years which means I’ve certainly inhaled several kg of tar &c and hence, my lungs should really be an obviously dysfunctional solid block of black mass if the theory of irremovable residue was true. That this isn’t the case means it must be false.
Dale’s theory is that you fell for the BS of the riders of the unexplained correlation once. This shows your grasp of logic is fundamentally weak¹ and you will likely fall for it again. At least insofar the BS isn’t directly harmful to yourself. But this doesn’t really matter: You admit the WHO is right about tobacco but claim that it must be wrong about bacon-that-causes-cancer-and-climate-change. But since the WHO was right once and certainly didn’t change is methodologoy (compile statistics correlating andecotes about people with known “health outcomes”) it’s probably right again and you’re just funded by Big Bacon to deny that.
¹ A causes B is true if and only if A is both a necessary and a sufficient condition for B. This means that B cannot occur unless A has occurred first (necessary condition) and that B will always occur after A has ocurred (sufficient condition). If either of both isn’t true (or, in the case of tobacco, bacon, people not wearing facemasks on the loo etc, both are known to be false), then, A doesn’t cause B. That’s secondary school math most people apparently never really understand. Or least prefer magic explanations over the scary admission that We don’t know.
The biggest cause of lung cancer and other respiratory diseases in poor Countries is smoke from open fires of wood or animal dung.
If these societies had access to cheap, abundant energy from fossil fuels – natural gas and/or gas/coal generated electricity these cases would be much rarer.
By denying such access the Climatist Zealots condemn these people to suffering and early death – particularly children.
So Climatism is analogous to damage caused by tobacco, and it should be regulated, taxed, and limited.
The two main risks of cancer are: genetic (why doctors always ask is there family history of cancer); age.
Smoking, along with many things, can cause cancer, more likely in those genetically predisposed and/or as age increases.
The proselytising “public health” activists and :researchers’ are fond of the phrase “linked to” indicating there is no falsifiable, empirical evidence. Most “research” relies on observational studies which can give any result the researcher wants.
Toxic too.
I wish this new age hippy would just b*gger off in his VW camper, hug some trees and leave the rest of us alone.
Will no one deal with this turbulent wanker?
Too many people did deal – that’s how he became so rich.
Can one be a turbulent wanker and would it be safe?
When in Wome… ?
It would be better to stick a warning label on Mr Vince.
Over his big mouth.
A number of smokers I know have started using quite attractive silver cigarette cases. It’s still very tempting when they offer them around.
His tee-shirt: ‘Chips are Vegan’.
They’re not if you cook them properly,
Brilliant
I am sure it is, but I don’t get it.
In lard presumably.
Dripping, like they do in Whitby, best fish and chips money can buy.
or beef tallow , i only learned that from trump and rfk jr a few weeks ago!
See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1348296.stm
Mcdonald’s fries are are not the best chips but they used to be fried in beef tallow. Then they changed and were fried in vegetable oil but because that spoiled the flavour they added beef flavouring first. Then people got upset because they were not ‘veggie’ like they thought.
people! what can you do :}
Mmm, plant based diet. Isn’t that what is causing water shortages around the planet because of the amount of irrigation needed. Also, aren’t ultra processed foods carcinogenic and even worse for your health and vegan food has some of the most ultra processed content.
Yes.
The EU promoting farming of avocados and kiwi fruit in Europe (to reduce “carbon miles”) has significantly increased agricultural water demand in some areas, like Spain.
Carrots, beets, potatoes, etc are “plant based” – but Vegan lunatics don’t want food that looks and tastes like vegetables, it must look like, and taste like meat and have the names as meat – burgers, sausages, bacon, cutlets, steaks.
This requires a lot of processing which apart from the array of additives, consumes large amounts of energy and emits large amounts of (trigger warning!) carbon dioxide. And of course many of the additives are manufactured using chemicals from fossil fuels.
So-called plant-based foods require vastly increased amount of land use to provide the volume of plant material. Animals for meat, eggs and dairy require relatively smaller area of land and in many cases, sheep, goats, cattle graze land not suitable for crops or Human habitation.
By clearing vegetation, and fertilising the land grazed it also provides habitat and food source for a variety of fauna and flora.
“...bacon is a carcinogen and it is classed by the WHO as a class one carcinogen …”
Advice from the WHO.
Right, I’ll have a bacon butty please.
Just had a nice avocado chicken and bacon bap – lovely.
The WHO are fine ones to worry about a bit of bacon given their support for the cancer causing jabs.
One? Nah, several please.
How exactly is proper bacon “processed”? Packaged bacon maybe is, but bacon from a butchers doesn’t need to be
A pig is killed and certain of it’s muscles are extracted. Water is then pressed into these to increase the weight¹, they’re sliced, salted, possibly smoked and lastly, sugar is added because English food must always have added sugar².
That’s certainly processed. The term itself is pretty nonsensical because everything which isn’t eaten raw has been ‘processed’ in one way or another. Even just washing something is already ‘processing’.
¹ Not a technically necessary step of the procedure but it increase manufacturer’s profits as water is cheaper than meat.
² As far as I know, salt with added sugar doesn’t yet exist as a product but some day, it certainly will.
Brine is used – which provides both water and salt. Salt only, dries meat out. Check salt-cod for confirmation.
Bacon was a means of preserving pork meat in the days before refrigeration.
Smoking, salt, brine, fat, oil, vinegar, sugar, saltpeter, mold have been used for millennia to preserve foods so our ancestors didn’t starve particularly in winter.
All of these involve “chemicals” and “additives” which are “carcinogenic” or cause some other health-horror.
It is quite amazing the Human Race isn’t extinct.
Odd. Smoked salmon never seems to be classified “carcinogenic”.
preferably fried in lard and real butter on the bread
Well, it’s nice to know that Mr Vince wants people to live for longer. One sometimes gets the impression that these green types are misanthropes.
They want the longer life to include no fun at all, just subservience.
Amazingly similar to Islam.
Classic!
Bacon isn’t carcinogenic. The preservatives are and the way you cook it, resulting in nitrosamines. You can buy nitrate and more importantly nitrite free bacon. These eco loons are factually and scientifically illiterate.
Dunno who this Vince bloke is as I don’t live in the UK, but does anybody know if he’s got mental health issues?
We would have if he had a brain!
He is an Eco-loon. Of course he has mental health issues.
Presumably, the next step is to tax bacon so it costs £40 a packet?
Notice how climate alarmists always claim that fossil fuel companies cannot be trusted because they spread misinformation to protect their profits. ——-But ofcourse that same logic does not seem to apply to those with interests in Renewables or who make money from them—–They want us to believe that owners of wind and solar farms and other planet saving technologies don’t care about profit, they only care about the planet. ——-ha ha ah jeez.
Having read this,I think I’ll go to the local farm shop and buy some bacon.
Help farmers and help myself.
Advising a deficient diet should be a hate crime
I think we need a huge “Danger” warning sign on Dale.
“The medical science is very clear that eating more plants and less animals is better for our health,” Mr. Vince said.
Like it was clear about CoVid, lockdowns, masks, mRNA snake-oil, leeches, bleeding, cupping, flogging and cold baths to cure insanity.
Speaking of the latter, we need to re-open lunatic asylums for the likes of Dale Vince.
Our species has thrived because of meat, bacon, dairy.
Vegan food is some of the most unhealthy ultra processed “food” on the planet. Enjoy Vince, you’d be better off at KFC
He can piss off.
The WHO’s pronouncements were not based on randomised trials as you might want to expect and would be virtually impossible anyway. Given what we have experienced with this organisation over the last few years its reputation is pretty much in tatters. Having said that I dont doubt that the cheapest bacon, from the most intensively reared pigs, processed with nitrates and all manor of other additives, would if eaten twice a day, not do your health much good over a lifetime. Personally I will not be giving up bacon or meat in general and just pick the best quality I can afford.