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Will President Trump Kill Net Zero?

by Ben Pile
9 November 2024 7:00 AM

The election of Donald Trump has brought with it both hopes and fears that his Presidency will deliver a coup de grâce to the climate agenda both in the USA and globally. In his victory speech, Trump affirmed his “Drill, Baby, Drill!” commitment to abundant and affordable energy, warning “keep your hands off the liquid gold, Bobby” – a jokey swipe at his campaign partner and former environmental campaigner and lawyer, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. But what does this mean for Net Zero?

On Julia Hartley-Brewer’s Talk TV show, Bjorn Lomborg explained that green policies advanced in Europe, the U.K. and USA have been based on false promises. The data, which are compelling, and which I and others have been presenting here on the Daily Sceptic, clearly show that green energy policies increase costs beyond what is sustainable (in the real sense of the word). There are no “green jobs”, except those created in China and taken away from the productive economy. Similarly, there is no “green growth”, except that which is also taken away from the rest of the economy. We have been “gaslit” about the benefits, argues Lomborg. Meanwhile, on X, Lomborg points out that the markets are also beginning to realise that green is not gold. On Wednesday, the Telegraph reported that shares in Danish wind turbine firms Ørsted and Vestas fell 10% on the news of Trump’s victory.


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Monro
Monro
9 months ago

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/11/08/president-elect-trumps-climate-energy-policy-100-day-action-plan-a-good-start/

Yes.

‘Here is my 100-day plan:

  • We’re going to rescind all the job-destroying Obama executive actions including the Climate Action Plan and the Water of the U.S. rule.
  • We’re going to save the coal industry and other industries threatened by Hillary Clinton’s extremist agenda.
  • I’m going to ask Trans Canada to renew its permit application of the Keystone Pipeline
  • We’re going to lift moratoriums on energy production in federal areas
  • We’re going to revoke policies that impose unwarranted restrictions on new drilling technologies. These technologies create millions of jobs with a smaller footprint than ever before.
  • We’re going to cancel the Paris Climate Agreement and stop all payments of U.S. tax dollars to U.N. global warming programs.
  • Any regulation that is outdated, unnecessary, bad for workers, or contrary to the national interest will be scrapped. We will also eliminate duplication, provide regulatory certainty, and trust local officials and local residents.
  • Any future regulation will go through a simple test: is this regulation good for the American worker? If it doesn’t pass this test, the rule will not be approved.

AIso importantly, Trump (as Romm noted) has announced a plan to cut $100 billion in climate related federal funding over eight years, which would require “zeroing out all federal clean energy R&D, efforts to help countries around the globe deal with climate and the entire government’s climate science effort.”

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Monro
Monro
9 months ago
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Why?

‘The mantra that climate models are correct, dependable and produce accurate long-term predictions because they are based on proven physics is false – the physics is treated to subjective assumptions ‘simplifying’ the physics, linearizations of the known mathematical formulas (which make the unsolveable solveable) and then subjected to statistical methods to “obtain more well-behaved systems”.

Natural variability can only be seen in the past. It is the variability seen in nature – the real world – in what really happened. The weather and climate will vary in the future. And when we look back at it, we will see the variability.

But what happens in numerical climate models is the opposite of natural variability. It is numerical chaos. This numerical chaos is not natural climate variability – it is not internal climate variability.

But how can we separate out the numerical chaos seen in climate models from the chaos clearly obvious in the coupled non linear chaotic system that is the Earth’s climate?

We cannot.’

Furthermore:

“What nobody is acknowledging is that current climate models, for all of their computational complexity and enormous size and expense, are still no more than toys, countless orders of magnitude away from the integration scale where we might have some reasonable hope of success. They are being used with gay abandon to generate countless climate trajectories, none of which particularly resemble the climate, and then they are averaged in ways that are an absolute statistical obscenity as if the linearized average of a Feigenbaum tree of chaotic behavior is somehow a good predictor of the behavior of a chaotic system! … This isn’t just dumb, it is beyond dumb. It is literally betraying the roots of the entire discipline for manna.”

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/11/08/why-numerical-climate-models-fail-at-long-term-climate-prediction/

Nut zero is based on nonsense.

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Hardliner
Hardliner
9 months ago
Reply to  Monro

Worse than nonsense. Most of them know they are lying, which they are doing primarily to create jobs and validity for themselves. But some, like Bacon Sarnie Milliband, are much worse. They are doing it to further a Marxist agenda of destroying capitalism and impoverishing wealthy countries. Gullible ‘scientists’, TikTok zealots, and lazy corporate greenwashers are just useful idiots for Milliband and his friends

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago
Reply to  Monro

Just ask astrophysicist Willie Soon about climate change. Now here is a scientist worth listening to. Have a nice day.

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Monro
Monro
9 months ago
Reply to  marebobowl

Willy Soon is a total legend.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago
Reply to  Monro

Have a great day🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍👏👏👏 President Trump 2024.

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Monro
Monro
9 months ago
Reply to  marebobowl

An important part of the U.S.A. was rock solid during the common cold coronavirus panic, kept the sceptics here from doubting our own sanity.

President Trump seems to have a great team around him and to have found his true voice.

He has an Augean stable to clear up but I do not doubt that he and his team are up to it.

He is a much needed inspiration to politicians over here for those with the wit to profit from it.

The star spangled banner has seldom gleamed with such lustre.

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Hardliner
Hardliner
9 months ago

“…because Ed Miliband is such an impressive global figure…”
Milliband is a dangerous Marxist zealot who is deliberately trying to ruin our economy. I suspect it will take more than humorous remarks like the above, or pictures of bacon sarnies, headstones or ukuleles to get rid of this evil menace.

But get rid of him we must, ASAP, one way or the other.

PS friends in Washington are telling me that Musk galvanised the Trump campaign and achieved a huge amount in 8 months. But then Musk doesn’t look to that activity for a living, which a lot of the political hangers on do

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FerdIII
FerdIII
9 months ago
Reply to  Hardliner

The 2nd greatest election victory in history after Lincoln’s in 1864.
Musk – he will slice, dice, burn and bury about 1/3 of the useless US government.
I am praying he does a Twitter and sends the CDC, FBI, CIA + 1 million other agencies and the deep state 6 feet below.
Politically astute to get Musk and RFK Jr on board.
Those are 2 guys you can build a dream team around.
Musk has said the Uketopian war for money laundering profits is going to end soon. I pray he is right. Kamalalalarama and the Bolsheviks were going to start a nuclear exchange.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago
Reply to  Hardliner

Too bad Ed did not consult with the greater minds like astrophysicist Professor Willie Soon. Poor Ed he is so out of his depth it is difficult to see how he will ever be able to do his job. Well best of luck Ed, looks like you are going to need. Have a great day.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
9 months ago

Yes.
Helped by the current massive grey out and lack of wind for their eco generation.

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CircusSpot
CircusSpot
9 months ago

A period of cold and still weather over Europe resulting in energy blackouts will quickly wake up even the most ardent greenie. It will not be like the 1970s power cuts as so much relies on technology which relies on electricity to operate even the most basic function like opening the doors.

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Solentviews
Solentviews
9 months ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

Fully agree. However, I think everyone needs to experience a few days without electricity to fully grasp the concept. That will be the end of Milliband. It will happen quickly.

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klf
klf
9 months ago
Reply to  Solentviews

You’re absolutely right. People need to experience life without electricity (and petrol) for a while. This should shock them out of any complacency.

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CircusSpot
CircusSpot
9 months ago
Reply to  Solentviews

It will happen during the night with no warning to start panic buying etc. What we have yet to find out is how much of the water supply and gas supply rely on electrical power to operate.
So my advise is to stock up with water and water purification tablets.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
9 months ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

It’s the sewage pumps that you need to worry about, especially hollow! 🙂

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Hardliner
Hardliner
9 months ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

“‘It Was a Bright Cold Day in (November) and the Clocks Were Striking Thirteen’Currently, renewable energy is providing UNDER 10 PERCENT of our power requirements. I wonder how Millibrain and all the other zealots are going to cook their lunches?
On the bright side, lots of bonfires tonight, presume that counts as Biomass!?

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7941MHKB
7941MHKB
9 months ago
Reply to  Hardliner

Far less than 10%.
It is less than 10% of electricity.
Electricity supplies about a third of total energy demand.

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anbak
anbak
9 months ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

Agreed. Sadly ideologies/pseudo religions are incapable of change, other than with a hard impact with reality. Even then the zealots will probably try to carry on digging.

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Gordon's Alive
Gordon's Alive
9 months ago

I agree with much of your article but not sure about “…saddled with it for two terms” referring to the most unpopular government I can remember after just a few months. These bunch of half-wit chancers will be lucky to do one term.

They may have a large parliamentary majority but it is paper thin. Only 20% of eligible voters voted for them and many of those have buyer’s remorse. This government has targeted pensioners, farmers, students, etc whilst rewarding their union buddies. They have also locked up political prisoners under their two tier policing and justice system whilst releasing dangerous criminals early to reoffend within hours.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
9 months ago
Reply to  Gordon's Alive

Bookmakers are not always correct but betting odds are a reality check: According to bookmakers Betfred, Labour are 5/6 to win the next General Election.

(A couple of months ago Kamala Harris was 5/6 to win the Presidential Election.)

“UK betting sites believe Labour have slightly more than a 50/50 chance of winning the next election, despite holding a massive majority in the House of Commons.”

https://www.gambling.com/uk/news/next-uk-general-election-betting-odds-2300500

This is quite different from Ben Pile’s belief that “Despite the Government’s historically low levels of public support, it enjoys a massive Parliamentary majority, which will likely mean we’re saddled with it for two terms.”

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klf
klf
9 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Hopefully as time moves on, people will become increasingly dissatisfied with the government (usual course of events), and their chances of re-election further reduced.

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Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
9 months ago
Reply to  Gordon's Alive

No chance of two terms unless they abolish elections following martial law. Tormenting British subjects in such a vicious way is going to raise the question of Human Rights, to say nothing of misleading the country with a manifesto withholding crucial details of future plans.

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Ardandearg
Ardandearg
9 months ago

False premises lead to false promises.

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varmint
varmint
9 months ago

It took a long time for Trump to withdraw from the Paris accord because Obama had signed a convoluted withdrawal agreement knowing that a future President would struggle to get rid of it, and ofcourse that is what happened. We see all over Europe and the UK how energy poverty is hitting the poorest and the Industrial base. The German Government having been obsessed with green ideology and covering the entire country in 40,000 turbines has now collapsed. Energy prices are at an all-time high with the UK now having the highest electricity prices in the world. Fortunately for Americans (even for brainwashed Liberals) Trump is not going to indulge in this phony pretend to save the planet communism. The Climate Crisis is a manufactured one, and Trump is about to de-manufacture it. But here in the UK we just elected an eco fundamentalist government with a rabid planet saver Miliband in charge of energy. This is very very bad news, but there is hope that as reality is beginning to conquer fantasy this Net Zero Socialism that pretends to be based on science will collapse, just as all ideologies that use science as their excuse for Central Planning do.—The election result in the USA can only help this along

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stewart
stewart
9 months ago

Calling it repeatedly the climate hoax will change the world.

He’ll do for climate change what he did for the news when he called it fake news.

Policy wise he may not accomplish much, but changing the zeitgeist with the language will be even more powerful.

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Jay Willis
Jay Willis
9 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Absolutely. Like the wars will be over before he takes office. These idiots in the UK government fear plain speaking simple truths like nothing else. We’ve got farage to keep them aware of the abyss.

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EppingBlogger
EppingBlogger
9 months ago

It is not correct to say “no one wants to become Germany, with its headlong rush into deindustrialisation, least of all China and the USA”. The Energy (sic) Secretary and the UK government do want exactly that.

So do the green campaigners.

Incidentally, Essex Conservatives have circulated a “newspaper” in which they complain about additional pylons across the County. They blame Labour. What a straightforward case of kettles and pots.

Additional pylons by the hundred are an essential part of the green agenda advanced by all the old parties for two decades.

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Cotfordtags
Cotfordtags
9 months ago

It is strange, is it not, that the same remainers who say that we are a small Island with no geopolitical influence around the world outside of the EU are the same people who say that by destroying our country with the insane net zero policy we will influence the rest of the world to do the same to their economies. Which is it? BTW, still waiting for those countries to drown as a result of rising seas, especially the ones investing in more hydrocarbon dependent income such as the tourist hotspots in the Indian Ocean, who are building more hotels and airports.

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Rose Madder
Rose Madder
9 months ago

Hello Mr Pile, great article as ever. Do you think you could take the trouble to put inverted commas around “emissions”. If you use the grifters’ language as they do you lend it credence. We all know there is nothing wrong with carbon, that co2 is a good thing which lags temperature so cannot drive harms – so there is no need to decarbonise at all – and that fossil fuels are the best aid to prosperity which defeats true pollution and harm. But there is something insidious about “emissions”. Like all effective religions the green movement needs the hook of guilt. They also want a tithe from carbon taxes, but that’s a story for another day.

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Sceptic Paul
Sceptic Paul
9 months ago
Reply to  Rose Madder

Yes, language is important, and I often bang on about it … Here I go again. Never cede control of the language to the people who hate us, and who hate humanity in general.

Use Project Stone Age instead of Net Zero, or even Nut Zero, please .

Use Climate Hoax instead of Climate Change.

Use Unreliables instead of Renewables.

Use Hydrocarbons instead of Fossil Fuels.

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Radar521
Radar521
9 months ago
Reply to  Sceptic Paul

Brilliant

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RW
RW
9 months ago

There’s not going to be any political chaos in Germany just because some parliamentary minority player chose to cancel a coalition agreement. Scholz will continue to be chancellor and will need to seek majorities whenever he needs one. The most likely outcome will be an informal SPD-CDU coalition and possibly, slightly earlier elections which will probably result in such a coaliton to be formally established again, probably under nominal CDU leadership, ie, the guy presiding over business-as-usual will then be called Friedrich Merz. And that’s all.

Translated into US terms, the German political landscape is one where the Repubilcans where formally outlawed 50 years ago and sucessor organizations are subject to heavy-handed semi-formal state persectution. And there are three to four nominally different legal parties which came into being when the Democrats fractured over infighting for access to public offices. The choices available to electorate are thus

  1. Democrats under various names.
  2. Jail.

Surely an exemplary kind of democracy installed by force of arms by the champions of freedom and democracy.

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RTSC
RTSC
9 months ago

I doubt if Labour will get two terms with which to destroy the UK.

It rather depends whether the LibCONs who infest the Not-a-Conservative-Party decide that they want to save their Party from complete obliteration … which will mean being pragmatic and respectful of Reform and in particular, its Leader.

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GroundhogDayAgain
GroundhogDayAgain
9 months ago

Off-T
The farcical state-sanctioned assault on Reiner Fuelmich continues. A civil matter being treated as criminal, a judge and system who are clearly making life as difficult as possible for him and who are perhaps already aware of the intended verdict.

https://truthsummit.substack.com/cp/151414841

Germany is in dire straits. I hope the regime fails soon

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Gezza England
Gezza England
9 months ago

Bjorn Lomborg provides the perfect route out by not disputing the global warming fantasy but showing adapting to any effects is the cheaper best value route. In a stroke all the subsidy scamming green industry gets shut down.

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7941MHKB
7941MHKB
9 months ago
Reply to  Gezza England

Yes.
But he has been saying all that for twenty years and has just been ignored. Or vilified.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
9 months ago

It is already dead it is just that we live in such a hellhole that even if the rest of the world relinquishes it the Brits will defend the agenda until the bitter end. We don’t have people of the stature of Trump and we do not have a population like the Yanks, who are indeed very often gullible but still capable of learning. People in England say all the time how much they miss their lockdown and they always mention ‘doing their bit for global warming’. This is not a situation that can be undone very easily.

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Myra
Myra
9 months ago

I always struggle when someone makes the argument that the U.K. only emits a tiny fraction of CO2 compared to other countries.
it gives credibility to the idea that CO2 is a problem in the first place.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago

Hopefully, one day, all of our climate crazies, will understand, the climate has changed over millennia, and no matter what humanoids do, it will continue on its natural course. How on earth did the corrupt globalists ever figure out people are so gullible? Grateful for people like Professor Willie Soon, an astrophysicist and his colleagues, who carefully explain the climate change reality. Sorry, you will never read about it in msm. Let’s wake up, educate ourselves, and live responsibly.

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Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
9 months ago

The Telegraph Magazine, 9 November, page 27. “She (Dame Mary Archer) describes climate change deniers as ‘scientifically very illiterate’, and is proud to have been appointed as a non-executive board member of the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero.”.

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GroundhogDayAgain
GroundhogDayAgain
9 months ago
Reply to  Hound of Heaven

Just what qualifies her to say that?Unless she’s scientifically literate then she has no basis for the claim. And she wouldn’t have gained this cushy job unless she was already brainwashed.

These grifters are making a mockery of the word “science” and earning nicely too.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago

I am getting the impression President Trump will put a halt on the climate change mantra. Cannot wait💕💕

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