Michael Deacon has written a brilliant column for today’s Telegraph this morning pointing out that if the authorities are going to prosecute people for people who stir up violence on social media, aren’t there a number of MPs who should be in the dock?
In 2009, some years before he became a Labour MP, Wes Streeting responded to a controversial column in the Daily Mail by tweeting, of the woman who wrote it: “There would be nothing natural about Jan Moir’s death if I shoved the bigoted old bag under a train.”
In 2022, a spokesman for Mr Streeting apologised, acknowledging that his tweet was “in bad taste”. An apology, however, would not have been enough to save those jailed in the past week for their behaviour online.
While we’re on the subject, I note that another Labour MP has apologised for a historic post in which she complained about “f—ing Estonian retards”. Was that stirring up hatred? And a third Labour MP has deleted a post which shared an unfounded claim that there’d been an acid attack on a Muslim woman in Middlesbrough. Was that spreading fake news?
To be clear: I’m not saying I think these MPs should be arrested. I’m just saying that, if we’re going to jail everyone who has ever posted something foolish, intemperate or misleading on social media in the heat of the moment, Labour will have to abandon its pledge to build 1.5 million new homes – and build 1.5 million new prisons, instead.
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Also, it would seem that in Scotland if you’re white and male you’ve got a target on your back. Check out this ridiculous campaign poster, which looks like it’s aimed at primary school-age children. And what on earth is ”white-male entitlement”?? Mental. Yes, it’s those pesky ‘far-righters’ again ( FFS );
https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1768726138673602764
I have to live in the Socialist Republic of Scotlandia where I better watch what I say in my own living room.
You’d better believe it…we’re being forced to be silent, don’t disagree with, object to, criticise any individual or group, or political party.
Whilst no doubt Muslim rape gangs probably still operate in northern towns and cities. I’m not sure I’d fancy getting justice if I was a women living in Bradford for instance.
Unreal ! the white word description is surely Racist even in the identity games being played
The post has disappeared from Twitter, mysteriously. Here’s the original;
”We know that young men aged 18-30 are most likely to commit hate crime, particularly those from socially excluded communities who are heavily influenced by their peers.
They may have deep-rooted feelings of being socially and economically disadvantaged, combined with ideas about white-male entitlement.”
https://www.scotland.police.uk/advice-and-information/hate-crime/hate-monster-campaign/
The crucial bit in that silly link you sent is —-“The legal definition of hate crime is any crime which is understood by the victim or any other person as being motivated (wholly or partly) by malice or ill will towards a social group.”——–so “understood by the victim or any other person”? —Not understood by any law or authority as such but purely by the “victim or any other person”—–So now in Scotland a person can perceive something and what they perceive is a hate crime if they say so——–This is PATHETIC
This is PATHETIC – I always thought it’s called Cultural Marxism.
Yes that is pathetic as well
I guess it doesn’t matter who owns the Telegraph after all.
If according to them, in order to defend freedom you have to give up freedom, then do I really care if their rag is owned by a Middle Eastern sheik? Not really.
Proof, if it were needed, that Hope Not Hate, realising they’re on a sticky wicket, are ‘getting their retaliation in first.’
HopeNotHate aka HopNotHat or the Effin’ Hoppers. Antifa stooges and thugs. If dozy Gove puts them on the ‘EXTREMIST!’ list (which I doubt) the Effin’ Hoppers will be ringing up all the people in his orbit, plus his fave drinking hole and local Waitrose, accusing him of being an extremely far FAR-right fascist nazi reincarnation of Herr H. This is the Hoppers’ modus operandi when they target someone they HATE because he doesn’t agree with their anti-British marxist views. Their HOPE is that the target will be cancelled, defriended, disbarred and rejected as a customer. They should change their name to ‘CAUB’, short for Complete And Utter Bastrds – much more honest.
This is a left-wing organisation who’s primary goal is to silence the voice of right-of-centre politics. In doing so it is explicitly, and unashamedly, attacking free speech and democracy itself. It also encourages hatred and attacks on anyone right-of-centre by portraying these people as less than human and not fit for society. It is, essentially, a socialist terror organisation.
What “rights” do “minorities” NOT enjoy that “non-minorities” do enjoy. In the UK, is there any single group of persons that does not enjoy the same “rights” as everyone else?
When you get “rights” from politicians and governments though, the same politicians and governments can take them away again. ——Rights should come from our humanity not from governments.
That is a very important point. Real rights don’t have to be granted. They can only be taken away. The right to move. The right to free speech. The right to be in a particular place.
The kind of rights that are given aren’t rights at all. They are privileges or gifts. Like the right to housing. That’s a gift. The right to a job. Again, a gift. The right to healthcare. An expensive, open ended gift. The right to education. Another gift. All things that someone else has to pay for and therefore gifts.
Simple rule of thumb: a right is only a right if someone doesn’t have to give it to you because it’s yours already.
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White, male, heterosexuals – comes to mind.
Gove has clearly brought in this legislation in coordination with similar repressive laws elsewhere. Ireland, Australia, Canada, USA are all currently suppressing free speach also the EU, although how it fits with the Treatiesis a mystery to me.
Ironic when GG has just been elected an MP and is organising to campaign in other Muslim majority areas which is his democratic right.
However I would bet that the same people who will harass and try and cancel the Reform UK campaign will not dare to use the same tactics with GG’s party.
LOCK STEP I think they call it
It’s not possible to have UK laws that try co cover an open borders world where all cultures are welcomed and celebrated. The UK culture prior to this was a high trust open society, which therefore does not need that many laws. It was a functioning and relatively productive culture. The way to distribute that is for other cultures to copy what works and make their cultures open and high trust. Just bringing people from closed and low trust cultures into this landscape will make this culture closed and low trust. How’s it going?
In the 90s my father, who was in his 80s rented out his flat Bournemouth so that he could be in a flat along the coast with a sea view. The couple renting paid one months rent and then nothing. He was unable to get any rent or get them out. They were eventually evicted by the Police because the man had attacked the women with a hammer in public. My sister helped my Father redecorate the flat because besides the broken door frame from the Police’s forced entry, there was blood on the walls – they were Heroin addicts. At the time there was a programme to bring individuals from deprived areas in Liverpool down to somewhere nicer like Bournemouth. The agency that placed them in my dad’s flat would have known this but no doubt thought they were helping these unfortunates and did not think of the consequences to an 85 year old working class pensioner.
All part of the Liberal Progressive Virus, that imports all of the words sectarian clutter and cultures alien to us and then calls it “diversity”, and tries to impose leftist social justice on everyone…..We can all see the result but if we dare mention it, we are “far right extremists”
This is a very comprehensive report on worldwide Islamist terrorist attacks for the periods 1979 – 2021 and is based on estimates. Obviously most of these attacks took place in Muslim countries but it does also include Europe. For the sake of fairness I would be interested to see how many equivalent crimes ( or those classed as ‘hate crimes’ ) are committed by Jews and white people ( so-called ‘far-right extremists’? ), then we can better see evidence of where the real threat is coming from;
”The period between the invasion of Afghanistan by the Red Army in 1979 and the capture of Kabul by the Taliban on 15 August 2021 corresponds to a rise in Islamist terrorism. As attacks have multiplied, they have struck all over the world, reaching into the heart of Western countries – New York, Madrid, London, Paris, Moscow… – exacerbating feelings of fear, mistrust and suspicion of Muslims, and even of anti-Muslim sentiment. In democracies, Islamist terrorism fosters both rejection of Islam and demands for authoritarianism.
Despite its importance, the reality of this violence has not been accurately measured. The Fondation pour l’innovation politique wanted to contribute to this assessment by quantifying Islamist terrorism, identifying the forms it has taken over the decades, listing the acts it may have inspired or initiated, estimating the number of its victims, and identifying the most deadly organisations and the countries most affected.
We believe that the mass of information gathered sheds new light on the phenomenon of Islamist violence. It makes it possible to better describe it, to better understand it, to document its severity.
Thus, by way of illustration, we can establish that between 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide. They caused the deaths of at least 210,138 people. On average, an Islamist attack has resulted in the death of around 4.4 people. We identify and quantify the modus operandi and targets. Explosives are the most common type of weapon used (43.9%), while the military is the main target (31.7%), ahead of civilians (25.0%) and police forces (18.3%). The picture of this phenomenon is becoming clearer. Afghanistan was the country most affected by Islamist terrorism, ahead of Iraq and Somalia. Within the European Union, France was the country most affected, with at least 82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths. We also show that the majority of Islamist attacks (89.5%) were in Muslim countries and that the victims were mainly Muslims, in the same proportions.”
https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/
wink
I recognise that Gove has explicitly given examples of two Right-ist groups and three Islam-ist groups. Question: would we label the ‘Troubles’ in Northern Ireland as Left-Right extremism – and which ‘side’ was more violent?
Apparently in Sweeden 20 times more sex crimes and rapes are committed by migrants (and we all know who they are) than by indigenous Swedes. —–Yet to mention this carries a potential prison sentence. ——The multi cultural bubble must never be burst it would seem
Hope Not Hate appears to be a dangerous left-wing insurgency undermining the fabric of Britain.
Doesn’t ‘appear’ to be – it is. Has been recognised for years as a left wing extremist group with highly questionable funding, infiltrating govts and other political organisations. There was an attempt to have it identified as a proscribed group back in 2020, not sure what happened with it. This is an old Breitbart report from 2018 describing how it was flagged by the Swedish military even back then:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/05/24/hope-not-hate-identified-in-swedish-military-report-on-left-wing-extremist-violence/
Stick them on the List.
So leftist ideology is all sweetness and light but anything even slightly to the right is illegitimate and even criminal?
Not even that. Simply anything and everything they decide doesn’t agree with their agenda of global domination and control.
But it is the leftist agenda of global domination and control I am talking about. —-The Leftist ideologies in each country all emanate from the UN and its one world government idea of controlling the worlds wealth and resources and they do that through International Treaties (eg The Paris Agreement) So alternative points of view have to be crushed.
“Hate” to the Liberal Progressive —–Anyone who disagrees with them. ——So a “Hate Crime” should actually be called a “Different opinion Crime”
Got it in one.
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/open_letter_michael_gove
This was the response of Patriotic Alternative to Michael Gove’s naming of the group as “far right extremists.” If anybody reads this and agrees with Gove they are on the wrong site.
Middle of the road common sense and reasonableness is now deemed far right.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments I believe he gave these as examples of groups who would be investigated, not as a final decision.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68560294
Fair point. FWIW here is the BBC’s breakdown of Govey’s announcement. Gove apparently believes islam is a great religion. So that’s alright then.
Gove is a well educated and articulate idiot.
Thank you. I concur. I suspect his bank balance is healthy though.
How about “The Rights of the Majority” for a change
I’m doing a bit of work in the garden today, and maybe a trip to the supermarket.
Suddenly that appears to be dangerous far right.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is part of a “Dangerous Radical-Right Insurgency”? What mental gymnastics are used to arrive at this extraordinary ‘conclusion’? This looks like plain old projection and the key words are “Dangerous Radical Insurgency”. Almost exclusively the radicals are on the far Left.
According to Rees-Mogg on GBNews, Hope Not Hate has been funded by the tax payer, by a Conservative government. Idiots.
Here is a file I kept on Hope not Hate back in 2018 ……
Hope not Hate is a violent liberal organisation which may state that they do not “support” violence but plenty of it’s members do when they attack UKIP and right wing party activists. http://nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/militant-rises-hope-not-hate-sutu.html
Here is a report of Hope not Hate supporters attacking UKIP party members. http://nopenothope.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/militant-rises-hope-not-hate-sutu.html
HOPE NOT HATE: ANTI-FASCIST AUTHORITARIANISM.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/hope-not-hate-anti-fascist-authoritarianism/21246#.WrU9_i7FLIV
Minorities don’t have Rights, we all do – and exactly the same ones.
And herein lies the problem: minorities are awarded Rights which over-ride the Rights of the majority, and as minorities sub-divide and fight each other for Rights, more and more minority Rights are awarded.
The Rule of Law prevents a plethora of competing rights and is Britain’s contribution to the Human Race, but we no longer have it.
Radical, formerly extreme, right – is about the return of the Rule of Law and distinct British culture of shared language, values, morals, manners, Common Law, property Rights and sovereignty of the individual.
Radical indeed.
Excellent
The Barnabas Fund puts out an annual report of the countries where Christians suffer most repression. It’s no surprise that Muslim and Communist countries top the lists, but what’s notable is how many people are jailed or churches closed on the basis of vaguely drafted laws about undefined “extremism,” “national unity,” “hurting religious sentiment,” and so on.
You can’t help thinking that those not actually lining up to oppress are pig ignorant of what’s happening around the world under the kind of laws they are proposing.
Freedom of expression should be absolute with the exception of genuine incitement to commit violence. Once it becomes acceptable to suppress certain opinions on the grounds that they are supposed to be extreme or hateful then freedom has been lost.
It may now be too late to save freedom in the UK. Far too many people have been imported who lack any respect for freedom and in combination with indigenous leftist scum they are likely to be sufficiently powerful to destroy western civilisation.
Hope not Hate are offensive and divisive, it is they what should be shut down.
Piecemeal statute is a bad place for free speech defence and attack to be left to play out.
Hope Not Hate is undoubtedly paranoid about the intent of true conservatives (not Gove among them) but it highlighting vagueness and even different interpretations where it isn’t vague is apropos given there is a clear danger in a world where men having babies is now ‘normal’ discourse. This is the age of unreason and that alone is dangerous for fundamental, classically liberal rights
Gove. The new Witchfinder General. No group will want to be on his list of extremist deplorables. They won’t be criminally prosecuted but they are on the slippery slope to a ban with a false move and furthermore not only will they have pariah status in the eyes of government, but they or their individual members can be cancelled by any non government group or organisation with impunity. This is fascism and it’s evil and it’s persecution. There should have been at least a debate about Gove’s plan but he simply announced it to parliament. I can’t get my head around it. Where’s the democracy, what democracy? This objectionable politician gets to choose which group goes on the list? It’s outrageous. The five he names, on what grounds in detail are they to be proscribed? He used parliamentary privilege in cowardly fashion to name them, already they are lining up to take court action and I say good for them, irrespective of the fact that I don’t agree with their views. Of the two non Muslim groups, one was founded in the 1960s and the other (campaigning for effective immigration control) does not seem to me on a cursory perusal of their website to be “extreme”. Others on here, I welcome your views on the accusation by Gove that these five organisations are extreme, as I don’t know much about them.