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Nigel Farage is Right That Putin is Worried About NATO – And Richard Kemp is Wrong

by Noah Carl
26 June 2024 1:00 PM

The retired British Colonel Richard Kemp has written a piece for the Telegraph, accusing Nigel Farage of “playing into our enemies’ hands” after Farage claimed that “we provoked” the war in Ukraine. What follows is a point-by-point rebuttal of Kemp’s article.

While he disapproves of Putin’s actions, it appears Farage actually believes that his pretext for war is genuine. That is something he has in common with Jeremy Corbyn.

Kemp is attempting to impugn Farage through guilt-by-association with Jeremy Corbyn. This is a poor argument and qualifies as a logical fallacy.

That was the man Keir Starmer said would have made a better prime minister than Boris Johnson, one of Ukraine’s most staunch defenders.

Kemp is contrasting Corbyn, and by extension Farage, with Boris Johnson – whom he describes as “one of Ukraine’s most staunch defenders”. What he doesn’t mention is that Johnson made the same argument as Farage back in 2016, and was summarily accused of being a “Putin apologist”. A plausible reason why Johnson changed his mind that he is not very principled: back in 2016, he wanted to be Tory leader; now he wants to be head of NATO.

If Farage and Corbyn are right, then what is the answer? Should we expel Poland, Romania and the other eastern European member states from the alliance to end the war and prevent further aggression?

To my knowledge, no one is suggesting that we should expel existing NATO members from the alliance. This is a straw man – another logical fallacy. Rather, the answer is to pursue some kind of diplomacy. One proposal has been put forward by George Beebe and Anatol Lieven – two of the many experts who disagree with Western policy but have been largely ignored by the mainstream media.

Perhaps all our foreign policy decisions should be calibrated to avoid upsetting Putin.

Kemp is presenting a false dichotomy – another logical fallacy. He is suggesting that if we don’t follow his preferred policy of continuing the war, then we have to cede to all of Russia’s demands. This is obviously wrong.

Incidentally, it is not just Putin that is “upset” by Western policy. As William Burns (the former U.S. Secretary of State and current CIA Director) wrote in 2008:

Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.

Kemp would have us believe that the entire conflict can be traced back to the delusional ambitions of a single man. But this is a cartoonish view. In fact, if Putin were replaced by someone else from his faction of the elite, it is plausible that person would continue or even escalate the war.

It might be logical to similarly defer to China’s sensibilities for fear of provoking President Xi.

Kemp is stating this sarcastically, but it actually is logical. Why would it not be logical to take into account the interests of the world’s second biggest power? Again, this doesn’t mean we have to capitulate to China and give them everything they want. It’s about being realistic. We can’t afford to act like this is the 19th century when Britain engaged in gunboat diplomacy and much of the world map was coloured pink.

NATO is a purely defensive alliance, which does not present any conceivable military threat to Russia.

Kemp is being painfully disingenuous here. It is indisputable that NATO is not a “purely” defensive alliance. In 1999, it bombed Serbia – even though Serbia had not attacked or threatened any NATO members. Then in 2011, it bombed Libya – which had also not attacked or threatened any NATO members. Regardless of whether these actions were justified, there is no way to claim they were “defensive” from NATO’s point of view.

And it is irrelevant that Kemp believes NATO “does not present any conceivable military threat to Russia”. What matters is what the Russians believe; Kemp has apparently never heard of the security dilemma.

Russia has an obvious interest in maintaining its control over Crimea, which Ukraine and most or all NATO countries still recognise as Ukrainian territory – despite overwhelmingly support for annexation among Crimeans. Even Jens Stoltenberg, the Secretary General of NATO, stated in a speech that Putin “went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his border”.

In an article [Putin] published in 2021, shortly before the 2022 invasion, he barely mentioned NATO but spoke of Ukraine.

Kemp mentions Putin’s 2021 article, which only mentioned NATO twice. However, he neglects to mention Putin’s speech on February 21st 2022, which mentioned NATO 40 times. Nor does he mention Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson, in which Putin mentioned NATO repeatedly – contrary to widespread claims. Russian elites have expressed their opposition to NATO expansion numerous times over the last few decades. This includes the great Soviet dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

He is worried that greater prosperity, especially in his next door neighbour Ukraine, will be looked at with envy by his own population.

This is a common claim, but it is not very plausible. Since 1990, Ukraine has performed worse than Russia and far worse than Belarus, a close ally of Russia. Belarussian living standards have grown by more than 100%, whereas Ukrainian living standards remain well below their 1990 level. This is most likely due to rampant corruption by Ukrainian elites.

Surely the Reform leader would not argue that any sovereign country should be denied membership of an economic union or even a military alliance because an authoritarian rival vetoed it.

In 2022, China and the Solomon Islands were negotiating a security agreement that might have led to the construction of a Chinese military base in the Solomon Islands. In response, the Australian Prime Minister announced that China must not build a military base “on our doorstep”, and that doing so would be a “red line”. The White House likewise warned that it would “respond accordingly”.

It may come as news to Kemp that great powers have an interest in preventing their rivals establishing military bases close to their territory. Sometimes, it may be appropriate for their rivals to accommodate those interests. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved when the Soviet Union agreed to remove its nuclear weapons from Cuba, thereby recognising vital U.S. interests. By Kemp’s logic, it shouldn’t have agreed to do this.

Tags: Nigel FarageRichard KempUkraine

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Marque1
Marque1
9 months ago

Bloke!

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
9 months ago
Reply to  Marque1

That’s what I thought when I saw the picture somewhere earlier, without knowing what the story was about.

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Tyrbiter
Tyrbiter
9 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

One would be hard pressed to identify the person in that picture as anything other than male.

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Jonathan M
Jonathan M
9 months ago
Reply to  Marque1

Absolutely, obviously and definitely a bloke!

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago

Imagine needing the Supreme Court to determine the definition of what a woman is? Yes the de-feminization/de-masculinization of society continues at pace. This is undoubtedly an attack on female sex-based rights and anyone who says otherwise is in denial and not on the right side of justice. I shared this news the other day but this is a different source;

”Judges at the Supreme Court are considering how women are defined in law in a landmark case brought by Scottish campaigners.
It is the culmination of a long-running legal dispute which started with a relatively niche piece of legislation at the Scottish Parliament, but which could have big UK-wide implications.
It will set out exactly how the law is meant to treat trans people, and what it really means to go through the gender recognition process.
And it could have implications for the running of single-sex spaces and services, and how measures aimed at tackling discrimination will operate in future.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgv8v5ge37o

Nice to know that if you pay a fiver for a gender recognition certificate you too can strip search women despite being an actual man with a fetish/perversion/mental health diagnosis;

https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1860359961781354950

Seriously tragic what vulnerable people are doing to themselves because they’ve been captured by the cult. This is neither male nor female, just very, very messed up;

https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1860985617254936900

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
9 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Bloody hell Mogs that last link needs a viewers discretion warning.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Yes it’s harrowing, what’s happening. I’ve cared for women who’ve had mastectomies due to cancer, some with reconstruction and some without, and I always think how horrified these ladies must be knowing there’s basically a ‘trend’ nowadays of teenage girls and women getting their perfectly healthy breasts removed. All courtesy of this seriously twisted and dangerous gender identity cult though. It’s basically mental illness manifesting as this extreme self-abuse. Well, via medical professionals, anyway. People encouraging and affirming this need locked up.😒

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

As do the doctors who do the ops.

Primum non nuocere.

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Holy jesus.

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Hester
Hester
9 months ago

Things that make you hummm

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MajorMajor
MajorMajor
9 months ago

Is that bloke in the picture supposed to be a woman…?
I mean… are they taking the Mickey?
I bet he’s in full possession of something more than football here.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago
Reply to  MajorMajor

See the link of him receiving the award below. The worst part for me? All of the women clapping and cheering. As a female I can honestly say that this is the worst betrayal, to be stabbed in the back, essentially, and have our rights as women trampled all over by fellow women. You always expect a degree of flack or hostility from certain men but when the full-on assault is from members of your own sex the betrayal cuts deeper. So women really haven’t got a hope in hell of ever overcoming the direct attacks on us courtesy of the woketards via the trans agenda because, once again, the enemy lies within. What of young girls who are talented at sports and have the potential to progress to a higher level? What will they think seeing this?
To my mind, these women are no better than the German citizens who acted as informers for the Nazis and would snitch on any neighbours they knew were hiding Jews. Literal traitors. I can only hope that there are more of us than them and it continues to be so;

https://x.com/HoodedClaw1974/status/1861439987830407320

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Jack the dog
Jack the dog
9 months ago

BBC being BBC.

(It’s obviously a bloke, a handsome lad, and a bloke)

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Heretic
Heretic
9 months ago

The man is a Total, Shameless Fraud, grinning with “Duping Delight” like any manipulative psychopath.

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hogsbreath
hogsbreath
9 months ago

MAD T.V. Season 3 (2/2) Eyewitness Report From Ms. Swan (1997)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4EH0RtVlgE

Last edited 9 months ago by hogsbreath
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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
9 months ago

Bit like that Boxer Bloke then !

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Mogwai
Mogwai
9 months ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

I have observed how sports people with DSD ( Disorders of Sexual Development ) are never Caucasian. By far and away black, actually. Would be interesting to see the breakdown across ethnicities…

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Loftier
Loftier
9 months ago

Would it be unfair to suggest that the BBC only exists now to extort money with menaces in order to pay both the untalented politically correct and David Attenborough‘s extraordinarily high airfare bill as he jets around the globe to find examples of why we should all live in 15 minute cities and forego foreign travel so as to save the planet.

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Grim Ace
Grim Ace
9 months ago

He is a man. He is not a woman and never will be. And especially as he is black- high T levels anyway. This communist mental illness has to stop. When are we going ro get our Trump. MEGA – Make Englanf Great Again

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marebobowl
marebobowl
9 months ago

Yes, when President Trump blocks msm reporters from the WH daily briefings, it will be one more nail in the coffin for msm, including the guardian

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Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
9 months ago

Cheat.

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@yorkshirekate
@yorkshirekate
9 months ago

I think this psychologist clarifies this issue: “These men are very likely a new breed of psychopath.

I call them Trans-Type Psychopaths (TTPs).

They have no empathy.

Other people are not ‘real’ to them. They will destroy everything and everyone in their path in order to get their deviant emotional ‘needs’ met.

Don’t be fooled by the ingratiating smiles, the make-up, the hair, the head tilts and the ‘woe is me’ sob stories.

TTPs are more dangerous than Ted Bundy or BTK or the Green River Killer, or any ‘typical’ psychopath.

Although they don’t leave a trail of dead women behind them, these men’s ability to bring about the systematic destruction of women’s rights and safeties makes them far, far more dangerous than even the most prolific serial killer.

We need to reframe our psychological understanding of the modern ‘Transw***n’.

They are not helpless victims of unbearable inner anguish who can only achieve mental respite by being their ‘authentic’ selves.

They are not even simple, self-serving opportunists making hay whilst the sun is shining.

No.

They are stone-cold, manipulative, ruthless psychopaths.

The sole guiding ‘principle’ which governs all of their
actions is self indulgence and personal gratification.

Absolutely nothing else matters.

We pander to them at our deep peril.” https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1861352959583387857

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