It’s getting to be like one of those England batting collapses – paradoxically both distressing and enjoyable in equal measure. Those of you that follow the noblest of sports will know that the catastrophe usually goes something like this: after the loss of an early wicket England will be moving along nicely at, say, 123-1 when Joe Root (for example) ‘throws away his wicket’ (as is true of all recreational activities, cricket conforms to its own language and internal grammar) and before you know it, they are 145-7 and unlikely to “avoid the follow on”.
At this point, even as an England supporter, it is difficult not to take a sort of perverse pleasure in the scale of the ineptitude unfolding before you. To paraphrase St. Augustine: there comes a moment when you just want it to be all over, but not quite yet.
Unaccountably, my thoughts turn to what I suppose we are obliged to call the ‘Tory election campaign’, which seems to bear more resemblance to a Heath Robinson-inspired contraption than to the well-oiled electoral machine of yore. Or one of those made-to-crash inventions put together by Compo in every episode of Last of the Summer Wine.
Some might argue that the Prime Minister threw away his wicket when, to the surprise of everyone outside the Downing Street betting syndicate, he called an early July election. In truth, the collapse predated this. The current Tory incarnation lost the room in March 2020 when, at the behest of a cadre of mediocre, Establishment ‘scientists’, its leadership confiscated our freedoms in service of some ‘precautionary principle’ – a chimerical scientific maxim which, in the Covid context at least, proved stubbornly resistant to definition.
The conservative instinct prefers liberty over tyranny and encourages scepticism when faced with a freshly emergent consensus. This instinct should be alive even (especially) when the consensus in question concerns a newly established ‘scientific’ orthodoxy which has been gifted the bully pulpit of the state to drown out any dissenting view.
The Johnson of March 2020 went somewhat in the other direction. The SAGE echo chamber was weaponised and used to propagandise and enforce a tyranny born of panic and questionable intent. The ‘nudge units’ and other dark mechanisms of the deeper state were deployed in an undeclared war against the people they are, supposedly, there to protect.
The consequent ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ might have been understandable as general exercises in arse-covering, but they were neither justifiable nor conservative. The abovementioned conservative instinct proved unable to find its voice.
This should have come as no surprise. It has long been the case that the Conservative Party has been puzzlingly indifferent to conservatism. Your typical Tory MP, with a handful of exceptions (Danny Kruger springs to mind), has shown himself to be intellectually incurious and historically ignorant. There is a rich tradition of literature, history and philosophy which is available for translation into practical policy. But that tradition seems of no interest to the Tory wannabe as he plans his ascent from special adviser to backbench MP.
What I unapologetically call the ‘genuine conservative’ would find in the writings which have shaped that tradition the linguistic resources necessary to resist the postmodernist lunacies which now define the contours of political discussion. Instead, language has been ceded to the Left, and whoever controls the language of the debate pretty much determines the outcome of that debate (think ‘Covid Inquiry’). Thus, when it comes to ‘Net Zero’ the language of apocalypse has overwhelmed the language of appropriate hesitancy; and when it comes to transgender lunacy the language of fantasy has drowned out that of common sense.
So, what to expect from the Starmer Government? Don’t look to the Labour manifesto for answers. A party manifesto is best viewed not as a collection of promises but as an expected manoeuvre in the electoral dance. It is of no more intrinsic significance than a single Knight move in a game of chess. The true Labour agenda is to be found in the background noise: the off-the-record briefings; the interview slip-ups; the gossip etc. (never underestimate the truths that are to be found in political gossip).
Putting this together I suspect that we have nothing to worry about, apart from the following: the implementation of vindictive and irreversible constitutional vandalism; the continued marginalisation of the Christian faith; casual intrusions into our private savings accounts; the denunciation of the common law and its replacement with internationalist diktat; the press-ganging of our children into the political process; and the abolition of laughter.
Come to think of it, that list is far from exhaustive. Suffice to say that the Left’s vision for the U.K. is likely to be enacted: a Kierkegaardian revolution, one which ‘leaves the buildings intact’.
Peter Hitchens argues that the irreversibility of this dystopia is a sufficient reason to vote Tory next week. I’m not sure I agree. For reasons I have suggested it is far from clear that Tory conservatism flags up anything more than an oxymoron. And it’s hard to play the role of father in the parable of the prodigal son when the son who returns looks nothing like the one who left.
The Tories were never going to win this election but might have perhaps done better had they selected as Prime Minister someone with a less managerial, more adventurous worldview. But instead of Ben Stokes on an Oval belter, they offered the electorate an out of form Geoffrey Boycott on a wet morning at Headingly.
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I just caught the q&a at the end of the morning session – one of the questions was how to get the message across…
For me the message has to be extremely short and well thought out, like tv adverts – if you cant get a message over in a minute or two you have lost your audience and only the already convinced will listen on
(the fella who asked the question waffled on and barely had time to spit his question out – waffling will achieve nothing – focused messaging is needed)
I’m sure the messages can be got right, with the right people on the case, some market research to know which groups to target and which buttons to press
The issue is who would fund this, and would such a campaign be allowed to exist. The backlash from the establishment would be immense.
When I’ve been lied to for 18 months and stats have been distorted to support government propaganda, why would I trust a vacination for an illness that has apparently not affected anyone since 2018/19?
How have the pharma co’s decided which flu variety to vaccinate against, as I understand that it used to be a bit of a lottery anyway?
I think I’ll pass on this, thankyou
erm… not quite sure why your comment is relevant to mine – but i 100% agree
wrong place – sorry, I’ll be more careful
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thank you! was wondering how to find
of course – and you will need proof of that jab on your new vaccine status ID as well
Frightening, isn’t it?
The madness continues
Freedom day will only come when the Big Lie is exposed
How long before they start mass testing for flu?
About two-three months?
There mass testing for everything, because that’s what PCR tests were designed to do, as per the creator himself has said.
They’re* stupid predictive text, sorry!
WHY?
Can anybody point me to quality evidence about flu vaccines? Harms and efficacy in particular.
You could start with looking at the reported side effects data on VAERS
I’m afraid they there is no point in looking at previous years as they are likely to use mRNA flu vaccines this year https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/moderna-seasonal-flu-vaccine/
see my other post
Well, pre-2021 I was uncommitted on flu vaccines.
I never took them myself,because I didn’t feel there was sufficient risk to justify medication, and I didn’t buy the idea of taking them to “protect others”. But I had no strong ideological opposition to vaccines per se (have had some, as have my children), I was just sceptical about the need. I anticipated that as I grew older I might take them, as the risk/benefit equation shifted in their favour for me
Post 2021, there’s no possibility of me ever taking a vaccine again, barring some truly remarkable circumstances.
Basically, I no longer trust the authorities at all on this subject – medical or political, and I have been rendered far more sceptical about precautionary medical treatments in general, and especially those classed as vaccines. Trust is absolutely critical when you are going to let people inject you with something, especially considering the sheer potential power of modern genetic and nanotech science.
I wasn’t antivax pre-2021, but I am now. When the facts change, I change my opinions.
I have always been sceptical of my Drs, actually that’s not true, I’ve learned to be after they continually let me down. They push drugs every time and look at you like you’re crazy for not wanting to take something to mask a symptom (that causes more symptoms just different ones!!) without trying to understand why the drugs are ‘necessary’ in the first place?! It’s maddening.
So 35 million will receive a vaccination that has only been fractionally more than 50% effective for three years since it was introduced.
The pharma industry giants ,ust be pissing themselves laughing at the stupudity of our leaders, while accepting another few blllion of our tax dolkars.
50% effective? Up to 2018, every year the message was ‘yes, last year’s flu vaccine was ineffective but that was only because we chose the wrong strain, This year we have got it right so you really should take it’ Repeat every year for decades until autumn 2019 and there was no mention at all of flu, getting a vaccine for it or the NHS being overwhelmed by flu. The rest, as the cliche goes, is history
The strain(s) being vaccinated against are based on a guess from WHO. WHO use information from the Southern Hemisphere winter to make their guess, as there is nothing in the Southern Hemisphere but SARS-CoV-2 then it’s a moot point.
Is flu here still a variant of swine flu? No thanks, I’m naturally mmune.
Daily Mail Jan 2018
The flu jab DOESN’T work: Officials admit that a vaccine already dished out to thousands of patients may be targeting the wrong strain.Health chiefs were forced to cancel 55,000 operations amid the ‘extremely difficult’ pressure, with scores of hospitals warning they have no free beds.
sound familiar??
This from The Independent, same year,
Ineffective flu vaccine added to 50,000 extra deaths last winter, ONS says.
“… only been fractionally more than 50% effective for three years since it was introduced.”
Exactly. I expect the majority are entirely ignorant of this fact
If it reduces the size of the load on the NHS by 50% that’s a pretty big bonus. And I like the idea of halving my chances of getting flu.
77 cunt
It’s typically/frequently less than 50% iirc. Thing is, that will not be widely known. The general perception will be very different to the reality.
Yes I think it has been up to 60% but down to 17% one year when they chose the wrong strains.
On the other hand my immune system has been 100% effective for the last sixteen years. I don’t want anyone messing with it.
Half of bugger all is still bugger all!
Are you denying that some years a lot of people get flu and this places a load on the NHS?
They are ‘overwhelmed’ every year, the front page news paper montage from each year is amazing. What are they doing about it, infection control is shit in these places?
The public sector is where people leave our company for when they get tired of real work.
So what? what exactly is your point? Why do you think it will ever be any different? So it places a load on the NHS so what? Has done for many many years. Young children though have never placed a burden on the NHS in relation to flu so I ask again, why on earth would they suddenly do that? And what exactly is your point?
My point is that a 50% effective flu vaccine is a good thing because:
a) A load on the NHS is a bad thing because it means treatments for other things get deferred.
b) In a bad flu year there is a severe load on the NHS
c) If a flu vaccine is 50% effective i.e. reduces flu infection by 50%, and everyone gets vaccinated, then it should reduce hospitalisation in proportion – maybe better.
Not sure why you bring up young children but under 5’s are the second most at risk group (after 65+) from getting flu. I couldn’t find UK flu hospitalisation by age but in the USA it is almost the same rate as the 50-65 age group.
Because the article says they intend to vaccinate all primary and secondary school children! Even though they are not at all susceptible to flu except in extreme cases. It’s easy to find flu deaths for children in the UK, it just doesn’t suit your narrative.
“Mortality in children under 15 years was low with around 12 influenza-attributable deaths in hospital per year in England;”
From the Governments own website.
I wasn’t searching for flu deaths among children – I was searching for flu hospitalisations – that is what places a load on the NHS (and causes deaths by taking resources from other areas with resulting delays). If you can find figures for flu hospitalisations for children in the UK that would be handy. Meanwhile here are the results and conclusions from the 2014 paper which is presumably where that quote originated (my emphasis).
Influenza accounted for ∼10% of the attributed respiratory admissions and deaths in hospital. Healthy children under five had the highest influenza admission rate (1.9/1000). The presence of co-morbidities increased the admission rate by 5.7 fold for 5–14 year olds (from 0.1 to 0.56/1000), the relative risk declining to 1.8 fold in 65+ year olds (from 0.46 to 0.84/1000). The majority (72%) of influenza-attributable deaths in hospital occurred in 65+ year olds with co-morbidities. Mortality in children under 15 years was low with around 12 influenza-attributable deaths in hospital per year in England; the case fatality rate was substantially higher in risk than non-risk children. Infants under 6 months had the highest consultation and admission rates, around 70/1000 and 3/1000 respectively.
Conclusions
Additional strategies are needed to reduce the remaining morbidity and mortality in the high-risk and elderly populations, and to protect healthy children currently not offered the benefits of vaccination.
Not a single case of flu detected by Public Health England this year as Covid restrictions suppress virusExperts say decline in infections could justify continued use of hand sanitiser and masks following coronavirus pandemic
So there you go, no one will overwhelm the NHS with flu.
That was 2020/21. The government is expecting 2021/22 to be a bad flu year because there will be far less Covid restrictions and some loss of flu immunity due to a low level of flu infection in 20/21. Even if you don’t buy the immunity argument, Covid restrictions are unlikely to be in place so it is as likely to be a bad flu year as any other.
The Tyrants ‘expect’ it to be bad every year, what’s New? All your stuff about hospitalisation was the same last year, the year before, the year before…. It’s a non-story in relation to adults.
Last I looked the elderly and infirm get a free flu jab every year and they’ll still get it. If you feel you need it, be my guest.
But children don’t get it and don’t need a jab, which was my point.
I have nothing else to say on the matter.
Children do get a flu vaccination – albeit not a jab.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/child-flu-vaccine/
. . . restrictions that somehow failed to contain supposed covid, but magically stopped the flu in its tracks. . . calling Occam’s Razor. . .
Sooo. . . we could inprove the NHS – increase capacity, improve infection control, improve general immune health maybe? Rather than 20-30 years of crippling the thing followed by installing a totalitarian, authoritarian regime of restriction in irder to “save” it. Oh, and by the way” the fly jab is rarely as efficient as 50% – at least it isn’t experimental mRBA/adeovirus vector, yet.
God I hate typing on phones. . .
A lot less of a load compared with the effects of lockdown!
Isn’t that what the NHS is for? Many people think it’s a job creation scheme for lazy people who might otherwise be unemployable, however, it’s original purpose was to deal with the sick, those who fall ill, during the sickness season, not to ‘protect’ itself by forcing those who have no option but to fund it to take whatever potions BIG PHARMA deems profitable.
Yes – but it is also currently greatly under resourced. Whatever it is for, the fact is that if it is overloaded people will suffer and die.
What about all that waste?
“If it reduces the size of the load on the NHS by 50%” Will it? And will that spare capacity be used for other useful things? We’ve apparently been saving the NHS with all our coronabollocks measures, and it has the largest backlog in history. Pardon me if I’m sceptical…
Not the same thing. Most people who get flu go to bed and are fine. The elderly and very frail die a little earlier, which may spare some suffering. Interesting thoughts on the pinned tweet on Clare Craig’s account.
Not the same as what? Are you denying that flu outbreaks send a lot of people to hospital?
If a jab is 50% effective, then effective at what? Preventing symptoms, hospitalization, and/or death?
I assume infection but this should have a proportional effect on hospitalisation and deaths.
Actually, the hospital admission rate for children, who have little to no past protection, is higher than the elderly, Flu is a disease of children (who tend not to die of it) spreading it to the elderly (who do). Vaccines reduce morbidity, but are tested to the higher standard of protection from symptomatic disease. Based on hospitalisation rate for vaccinated vs unvaccinated, flu vaccines do work, particularly in those with little or no prior immunity. A big switch like swine flu in 2009 puts us all in that category.
How about the NHS tackle this before giving a jab to people who don’t need it?
NHS… waiting list hits 14 year record high of 4.7 million people NHS…facing ‘biggest pressure in history’ as 12 million await treatment
Because a jab is a great way of reducing the load and allowing them to get on top of the waiting list.
Also a great way of your suppressing your immune system and putting you at risk of serious injury or death – potentially loading the NHS even more, and for many years to come. At least you didn’t dare call it a ‘vaccine’.
Yes there’s quite a lot of observational evidence that the mass flu vaccine rollout last year caused the ensuing spike in covid. See also, Italy in 2020.
The flu vaccine actually is a vaccine. albeit not neccessarily an effective one
The flu jab, reduce the load of the NHS by 50%?
What a surreal comment.
To be clear – not the total load on the NHS – the additional load created by flu and that only happens if most people get vaccinated.
If the vaccine is truly 50% effective and most people have it then it follows almost inevitably that the load that flu makes on the NHS will be halved.
Non sequitur. You’re assuming that the vaccine’s effectiveness is spread equally, which is not necessarily so and arguably unlikely; it may be that the 50% who benefit from the vaccine are those who were unlikely to have concerned the NHS had they not been vaccinated. The vaccine may not reduce the ‘load’ at all.
Could be – but that would be a rather extraordinary coincidence. There is no reason to suppose the vaccine only benefits those who would have got it lightly.
As long as your adverse reaction isn’t treated at our expense.
Fuck off corporal.
The cupidity of our leaders, not stupidity!
chances are they’ve fixed our leaders and won’t be in the least bit surprised…
The attempted outsourcing of our immune systems to the pharmaceutical industry continues.
Those of us with functioning immune systems, who know the in-house option, an immune system which has been honed to near perfection by evolution, need to resist.
Smallpox and Polio excluded, one presumes?
Polio was not the terror people now think. I’m sixty five and recall seeing, very occasionally, children in callipers and reading of unfortunates who had to live in iron lungs, there were very few of them. Disease is nature’s way of clearing out the weak, the old and the sick. Keeping such people alive artificially, which is what a vaccine does, is ultimately bad for society.
“The phenomenal scale of the Covid vaccination programme is a clear demonstration of the positive impact vaccination can make”
Meaningless word salad.
“It’s big, therefore it’s worthwhile”. Err… no.
Quite so. As was “The Titanic”, along with Two World Wars, atomic bombs and The Holocaust.
Creating a nation of sick junkies.
Absolutely fine by my.
I’m up for a bit of Darwinian selection.
Sajid Javid:
“I encourage all those eligible to get their flu jab when called forward.”
Now, this is what I can’t abide, the snakey use of language; using “when called forward”.
FFS! The appropriate language would be ‘when offered’.
I fricken loathe it
SJ is on twitter saying he now has covid but is OK because of the vaccines;
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1416375392374513668
He seems as hell bent on vaccines as any of them. Makes you wonder if flu vaccination will be added to the NHS app and your Covid vax pass?
I don’t believe that any of the Cabinet has had any of the experimental jabs.
I bet they have cos they are gullible. Have Vallance, Whitty etc though? Did Ferguson take the risk, being already immune?
The gullible useful idiots got the real one. Those in the know and in charge didn’t.
oh, the possibilities are endless – no doubt why certain types love it
This is something that sticks in my teeth, they make it sound like you are obliged to take it. People twitter about at work, “Oooh have you had ‘yours’ yet, I’ve had mine”. It’s not yours you muppet, i’s behavioural psychology, ask yourself this if it was so amazingly good for you why do they need the propaganda, coercion and freebies?!
If a guy came to your door and said ‘Hi, I have this amazing 1 time cure-all injection that will save your life, but they are going fast’ would you let him stick something in you? What if he threw in a quick beer or a raffle ticket!? Clowns.
This is indeed slaughterhouse or suicide commando language.
And therefore very likely not just a slip of the tongue.
I’m sure the vaccine pushers would claim it is merely a coincidence, but a close relative lost much of their sense of taste within 30 minutes of having a flu jab last year – they experienced a metallic sensation in their mouth and nothing has tasted the same since.
Isn’t the metallic taste supposed to be a symptom of graphene oxide (poisoning)
My parents had the flu vaccine? in the mid eighties when they were in their early 70’s. Both of them were so ill that they were neither of them able to get up out of the chair to make a drink. They decided to sell up and move to be nearer my brother and I but one year later my father died of a stroke.Any drug or chemical that goes into your body has a reaction, in particular vaccines, i do not personally have any faith in them.
I remember the halcyon days of 2019 where you looked after your own health (or not) and didn’t sacrifice your body as a brick in a pharmaceutical (ie not as good as natural for common illnesses) “wall of protection”. I think wall of protection is going to annoy me as much as build back better.
“… to get their ‘flu jabs when called forward.”
Err, Rabbid, you twat, you are not talking to a bunch of squaddies you are talking to your paymasters so show some fuckin respect and perhaps ask that your betters may possibly look favourably on a polite request
……”when invited.”
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Last time that I was “called forward” was when I received six of the best from the Headmaster, in front of the school.
Same here. When was about 5, I was “called forward” to get a right rollicking in front of the class, for something I didn’t actually do. I was furious. The actual perpetrators got clean away with it! I learned very early on life that we are constantly being mugged off, and blamed for crap, even when we have nothing to do with it, from very early age!
I think you expressed it better than I did.
Thank you, very kind.
Wasnt the fear last year from the experts that they rely on a best guess on what strain it’s going to be and as Kungflu became top dog last year they didnt have a clue which type we we’re going to get?
Why do ‘vaccines’ always have to be rolled out? Are they delivered in sticky lumps, like pre-mixed pastry?
Its analogous to ‘guns and tanks’ , fighting the enemy with superior forces. Its both BS and indicative of mindset.
Attack on the human immune system continues. They just want to destroy it.
The State then owns our bodies, with continuous pharma input. Total control plus trillions of dollars of profit.
End game in sight I fear.
The flu jab is only and has only ever been a best guess at what is anticipated to be prevalent during that flu session and the vaccine is a cocktail of various varieties of flu virus. The medical profession has be anticipate what’s going to hit as the vaccines have to be manufactured months in advance.
Also the various varieties of flu jab have gone through clinical testing taking several years, unlike a certain experimental and only given an emergency licence “vaccine” that doesn’t stimulate the immune system into fighting the virus.
Funny that they claim to be able to predict what flu variants will circulate far enough in advance to make vaccines for them, but covid variants need constant monitoring and could present terrible danger from one week to the next
Yep, another aspect of this totalitarian horror that was entirely predictable as early as March 2020 – ie. if worth doing for Covid then why not for flu?
The public health catastrophe that has already started will go to a different level this Autumn/Winter and they know this.
Their solution will be to lockdown of course, which will exacerbate the situation even more.
But maybe that’s the objective.
We were told that there wasn’t one single case of flu whatsoever in the whole country last winter, so why does the government want to give flu vaccine to everybody and their dogs,canaries and tortoises come the autumn?
TO BE A GOOD LIAR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD MEMORY.
They just can’t wait to get their hands on our children and jab ‘em up. Sick bastards.
Im wondering if this years influenzas injection will be a traditional type vaccine or the new experiential sequenced gene therapy as used in the covid shots?
The more people vaccinated in a population the more likely it is that the only influenza strains circulating in the population will be resistant to the vaccine.
High levels of vaccination ensure that the most vaccine resistant strains flourish, while those strains where the vaccine remains effective get suppressed (ie, this is evolutionary selection of the best strains to match the susceptibility of the population).
If there are few people vaccinated than it becomes more likely that a strain for which the vaccine provides protection will circulate in the population. This ensures that the vaccinated vulnerable are likely to have protection against circulating strains.
Ie, lower influenza vaccination levels protect the vulnerable, albeit at the cost of higher influenza rates in the non-vulnerable.
If I remember correctly, in the years BC ( Before Covid) only about 40% of the over 60’s who were offered it, had the flu jab.
I don’t remember the “authorities” hounding those who chose not to have it.
It was always a personal choice.
If people don’t want the Covid jab, it’s their “personal choice”.
LEAVE THEM ALONE.
They really are off their chumps aren’t they? Just like the vast majority of us will never get covid, and if we do it will be mild and non life threatening, ditto the flu…..why would you give it to children particularly unless you are actually giving them an MRNA vaccination you haven’t been able to get into them any other way?
“We will be vaccinating against flu and covid for years to come”
I do not trust or believe any of these loathsome creatures…
How did humanity get to 2021 wthout’ flu and C1984 “vaccines?”
Unlike Covid, flu is a risk to kids and kills many each flu season. Some idiot scientist said the other day that Covid doesn’t discriminate. It does, favouring the old and unwell. Flu does not discriminate, it’ll kill whoever it can, young or old.
Doesn’t look like the covid lemsips discriminate either. Why the fuck are people so desperate to inject everyone with these potions? Why the pressure, mind games and coercion? What is it going to take to make you understand, my body my choice, whether it be covid, the flu or the common cold? How about remove my freedom to choose and I remove you? I like the sound of that. How does that sound to you?
No thank you. You cannot trust what OUR NHS wants to jab you with.
Thanks, but no thanks. I wasn’t anti-vax before last year, but now I’m never letting these people stick a needle in me again.
Yes that is exactly how I feel and I worked the NHS for 30 plus years.
My thoughts entirely. I don’t want to go anywhere near the NHS now.
Same
I’m sure most people on here will be aware of the Cochrane report on the effectiveness of the flu vaccine. Just in case some aren’t, I suggest that you arm yourself for the months of propaganda and information warfare ahead …
https://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-prevent-influenza-healthy-adults
Conclusion in short – they’re next to useless for the healthy and not needed with an absolute reduction in flu of 1%!
I think this is Tom Jefferson isnt it. I trust him and would love to hear his views on mass covid vax.
Why? Seriously, why? It makes no sense at all. What the hell are they planning? I normally have the flu jab (no way am I ever having the Covid jab) but I most certainly will not this year. I do not trust this Government and the NHS is killing people deliberately by their actions. How can anyone genuinely trust them any more?
Agree.
This is perhaps the scariest news to date. Millions of people have experimental covID jabs running round their bodies, priming their immune systems to fight the spike and whatever other unknowns were included. Then you add in a little dose of flu a few months later plus whatever unknowns are included. How will their systems react to this new virus? Will they be able to ward it off? Or will it overwhelm their immune systems which may be looking the other way, still watching out for the spike and pals? How will others be affected around them? Will there be vaccine enhanced disease floating around in the air? How will we persuade Grandma to see she should perhaps not have that particular cocktail this year? Dilemmas all round. I cannot see us sending our children into school the day after their friends are jabbed/sprayed with Bill Gate’s 2021 viral offering. How long should we distance? Suddenly hugging Granny does actually seem dangerous. When it never actually was. #ManufacturedDiseases #JustLetThePeopleGo!
“Dr Yvonne Doyle said the upcoming flu season will be highly unpredictable”.
So how many journalists rushed to ask the obvious question: How will you know which flu vaccine to use? Given that in Australia’s winter – which is usually where they get their cue – there have been relatively few flu cases.
Or even ask:
Could you please explain the ways in which the “upcoming ‘flu season will be highly unpredictable and why?”
Or, more generically throughout this pandemic and beyond:
What are you trying to achieve?
What metrics will you be using to establish whether or not you’ve achieved what you’re trying to achieve?
How challenging are your targets?
. . . Why didn’t anyone ever do a risk/benefit analysis?. . .
There will be a lot of excess deaths this winter. They will arrive in three categories. 1. Normal flu deaths plus excess flu deaths due to immune systems being compromised owing to masks, isolation, distancing. 2. Deaths due to NHS denying treatment to cancer, dementia, heart disease etc patients. 3. Deaths due to injections which will take the form of pathogen priming – also blood clots, brain tissue damage, organ failure etc. Most of these deaths will be attributed to covid,and blamed on the uninjected.
so how will they explain if worse than last winter?
Exactly and don’t government know it.
NHS Providers Chief Executive Chris Hopson said people will to be vaccinated for flu and coronavirus for “years to come”.
Confirming for all concerned yet again, his status as Chief Cunt in the NHS Trusts.
Hopson has nothing to do with the NHS. He is the CEO of basically a trade union for NHS trusts. His qualification is MBA not MD.
So this is about vaccine passports. If you can’t get children on them via Covid because some will die, and the fallout could be huge, then get them via the flu vaccine. Then the usual childhood shots go on – you get your vaccine passport at birth. Without one you are not a citizen.
And of course massive more profits for flu vaccine manufacturers. And flu testing introduced. And what financial links are there between Sage and government members and these? Not for us to know.
According to Matt Hancock in early September last year, the ‘covid’ test is universal and also identifies other winter viruses.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/matt-hancock-unveils-plan-tackle-4475460
Well done, not doddery. Self isolation for flu, then. Possible lockdowns too. Get the vaxx!
I see a cartoon character with pound signs in its eyes.
He looks eerily like Humpty Dumpty.
Well:
a) They won’t have any idea which flu variants to expect – hence they will be close to useless vaccinations.
b) Although, being over 65, I have in the past had a couple of the flu vaccinations, I no longer trust that the government and NHS will deliver what they claim to be delivering.
c) Heavens, yet more of tax payer’s money to be burnt up for very little, if any, benefit!
My wife had the flu vaxxine 15 years ago.
3 months later her hair dropped out.
Coincidence?
Yes
Anyone fancy a punt on what’s going to happen to people and their immune systems when they dutifully get their booster and a flu jab within a short space of time…
There was talk recently about having the booster in one arm and the flu vaccine in the other, same appointment. Last year, they were a bit more cautious and said the C injection couldn’t be given within a week/ 10 days / 14 days of the flu vax. Now they are throwing caution to the wind and suggesting same day! How can adverse effects be recorded then? Not that any notice will be taken. Both of the c**p injections will be said to be ‘safe and effective’.
The pharmaceutical industry is taking over the world.
Has taken over the world.
When Bojo said levelling up. He meant jabbing up.
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Well. This was always going to happen, it won’t stop with the flu vaccine. Which will do nothing for the vast vast majority of those that get it. Even at its best it has an efficacy of just 30% why bother?
Get the colds and flu naturally. Not the mututated variations all of these flu vaccines will create.
Who would do this to a 2 year old.
So they will be vaccinating against influenza and coronavirus for years to come, will they? Huge paydays coming up for Big Pharma then! Suffice to say they won’t be earning any more money out of me and my body. I’m done. Stay away from doctors. I’ve done that for 20 years and am the fittest person I know. Learn proper medical herbalism, treat yourself, it’s much better that way.
They can stuff that. Was never vaccinated as a child, only ever had a tetanus shot due to working with horses, and at 68, rudely healthy. Not about to ruin my robust immune system with their poison.
If there really is a depopulation agenda via “vaxxines” and the UK government knows it cannot now mandate coronavirus vaxxines in school for children, how do we know the flu vax they will give to children really is for flu? And not the coronavirus vax under another name?
Kerching ……double-bubble. And the money flows into the Pharmaceutical Companies.
I’ve had a flu jab every year for decades, including just before Hong Kong flu, but last autumn I was unable to get one anywhere. So much for “the expanded flu programme, which saw a record 19 million jabs being administered”!
Gosh, if I’d known you could have had mine! I had numerous letters and texts.
I’ve never had a flu jab and have not had flu for over 40 years. My immune system works very well, thank you very much.
This is madness on madness.
It has either been forgotten or suppressed that the new shiny quadrivalent flu vaccine was pumped into the elderly in northern Italy just as the sars arrived in winter 2019/20. There is something called vaccine interference which basically means that you can’t fight on two fronts as effectively as on one you simply don’t have the ‘ammo’. So as these elderly Italians were fighting the vaccine they were hit by a virus that many of them couldn’t defeat.
[This interference has also been noted in a U S military study]
Anybody offered a flu jab this winter should tell the person offering it to shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Money, money, money, must be funny, in a rich man’s world!
Another vaccine no one needs
invest in Pharma because they are making out like bandits in this, and a spin off for Valance and Gates
Really?? Oh my, what a surprise, didn’t see that comng! Doh! Looks like they’re intending to mop up those of us they didn’t get this time.
I’m down for a shingles jab tomorrow – this is not a new, untested vaccine – but such is my level of distrust that I’m probably goiung to cancel it.
Being over 60 I have, over the last few years, had the ‘flu vaccine on a regular basis; but not last year.
Nor have I had – or want – any of the Covid vaccines. Nor do I want to have the ‘flu vaccine in future either.
I just do not trust anyone in government or the health service to tell the truth, and I do not believe that these vaccines will not do me harm, or that benefits outweigh the risks.
I have blithely accepted the safety of these vaccines without question in the past; but no longer. I remember the thalidomide scandal only too well.
Being coerced into having a medical procedure you don’t want is a war crime, for which we prosecuted at Nuremberg; now our own government is suggesting that we adopt the methods of Dr Mengele for Covid ‘vaccines’ – will this now apply to ‘flu ‘vaccines’ in the future?
Will they also be on your vaccine ‘passport’/ID card? What is the end point?
The result for me? I won’t be having any other ‘vaccination’ for anything ever again; they do not just lie, they do not tell the truth either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tm0QDrej_o&t=635s
protest paris great to see vive la france !
There was research last year showing that among those most at risk from Covid-19 were the people whose immune system had been degraded or suppressed by earlier flu-shots. So by giving yet more folks these shots, Covid will continue to create bad outcomes….which leads to booster shots, which results in…..a Big Pharma money spinner!! Big Pharma’s best customers are those deluded people (and politicians) who believe that they can beat (or manage) natural processes, while the control remedy they promote actually worsens these inevitable and uncontrollable processes.
Covid has been turned into a brand name, for something scarey that the Government can ‘protec’t you from. People like Johnson are just so competent that you can trust your health to them..
In my East Mids town, they’ve taken over part of the town centre car park with portacabins, with big sign saying ‘Covid testing’. It keeps the fear going, as there must be something bad out there, right?
Of course, most of us on here are sceptics. In other words, we want to understand and check out something. Use our brain, rather than swallowing the Covid storyline, and know it’s all about exerting control on others (and maybe killing off many due to poison jabs).So called Covid 19 never was a real danger to the healthy. The Government’s relentless propaganda and pushing very dangerous so called vaccines was the real threat.
As the mRNA jabbed fall in this autumn and winter, expect the fear machine to crank up and brand a new variant to be frightened of and the boot of tyranny to be pressed hard on our necks again. Anything rather than admit the death and destruction is from the Government’s own actions (and those self appointed megalomaniacs pushing it all behind them).