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The Fighting-Like-Rats-in-a-Sack Theory of the Weather

by James Leary
14 June 2024 3:00 PM

The expression ‘fighting like rats in a sack’ barely covers how weather actually WORKS. Expand that thought for a minute, and try to imagine one half of a zoo full of starved animals chasing around trying to eat the other half, all encased in a big elastic balloon. That’s how the Earth’s climate works. A chaos theory.

Now imagine you’ve just paid a whole lot of money to a zoo keeper to tell you where that nice fluffy animal your daughter always likes going to see will be, a week next Thursday, in this big manic bag. The keeper solemnly says he has run his animal management model, and the fluffy one will be inside one of the bigger animals with the nastier teeth, unless…

You clutch your throat. How to explain to the little one? Unless what? Unless you support, with money, and immediately, no time to waste – in fact, it might already be too late – the keeper’s patented new animal feed which is, of course, vegan; and is so beneficial and delicious to the animal kingdom that they will renounce being carnivores ALMOST immediately and fluffy will live to a ripe old age. And he can administer the first of the new feeds to that pesky salivating lion the day before he is due to eat Fluffy. In the model.

You know the deep do-do you will be in with your daughter if she learns you had the chance to save Fluffy, but balked at the idea because it’s expensive, and you don’t quite understand how the keeper will get to the lion in this giant African game-park sized bag full of fighting animals rushing around chaotically. So you ask the keeper.

“Ah!”

He is glad you asked.

“Do you fully understand the chaos theory?”

Well, he can run his mathematical model for you (ker-ching) again, and everything else being equal, if the lion stays over in the far northwest corner of the bag, and Fluffy ignores the surrounding bloodshed and mayhem for a few days then his model can predict exactly where they will both be on Tuesday and the feeding can take place. All will be sweetness and light after that.

There is hope for Fluffy, but you are a bit worried that with all the thousands of animals running around trying to eat each other or trying just as hard not to be eaten, then how can the keeper be sure where things will be on Tuesday?

The keeper stiffens, slightly.

“I’ve carefully modelled the movements of the Lion and Fluffy (where’s Stanley Holloway when you need him?) and can assure you within a certainty of 87.42% that they will be as predicted. Who do I send my invoice to?”

“But what if that large herd of elephants over there, currently smashing their way to the side of the balloon before being bounced back into the melée and treading on several fast-moving creatures on the way, treads on fluffy?”

“I can model that for you too, but it will cost you another computer run.”

“Thanks, but I’m starting to smell a rat – like that one over there being eaten by the hyena. I think I’ll give your predictions a swerve.”

Shrugs.

“Your choice, but I’ve sent my results to your daughter’s school, and she is having Fluffy’s certain fate explained to her as we speak by Mz. Stroppy. I shall have to report that you’re a salvation-denier if you don’t buy my solution.”

“Ok – I don’t need all the grief at the moment what with all the extra taxes to pay for the special vegan animal food – Soylent Green you call it? Made in China?”

“Good choice. If things change I’ll be back with another update offer.”

But back in the REAL world, if this currently insane one can be described as real, how does the above scenario translate to what we see around us and what we are threatened with?

First we must lay to rest the difference between ’weather’ and ‘climate’.

Weather is what we see and feel every day. What we dress to go out in, and what misbehaves when we least need it to.

Climate is weather in a particular area of the globe averaged out over a long period of time. I’m talking hundreds or thousands of years. Currently we have vaguely reliable figures for under 200 years but historical and anecdotal evidence for millennia. Not good enough statistical evidence you would need for a meaningful extrapolation of what has gone before translating into what is coming.

Weather is the animals above fighting in the sack. Some basic rules (big eats smaller), some animals only live in part of the sack. You only get frontal weather à la U.K. away from the equator where the spinning earth brings the Coriolis effect into play. The animals circle each other before attacking along a curving path. Buys Ballot law describes the circling in north and south hemispheres.

The thousands of animals are the atmospheric parameters that interact with each other and end up as being weather. See my previous piece concerning clear air turbulence being caused by air masses rubbing up against each other. Like tectonic plates rubbing and causing earthquakes.

The elastic bag that all the chaotic animals are contained within is called gravity.

According to some, including the film director Christopher Nolan in Interstellar, gravity is the key to everything in the universe. It’s not much talked about in relation to weather/climate, but let’s take a couple of examples. The gravity on Mars is much less than that on Earth. Mars once had a functioning atmosphere with functioning weather but gradually over the eons much of the Mars atmosphere ’leaked’ into space. Not enough gravity to keep it in. The weather on Mars is limited to dust storms probably caused by gravitational influences from its own moons. Our moon has very little gravity and no atmosphere.

So the earth has gravity and fully functioning weather systems. Mars has some gravity but limited ‘weather’. Our moon has little gravity and no weather. This is in effect what the Climate Change activists want. No change in weather. No evolution in climate. A dead planet. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t be a little bit pregnant.

We have a living, breathing, eco-system which is constantly changing, but is, as a whole, held in check by the forces of gravity and the dynamic forces of the rotation of the earth. The whole thing is powered by the sun. Everything that lives or moves on Earth does so because of the power from the sun. That’s all there is. El Niño is a major contributor to climatic variations. Big ocean current disturbance off the coast of South America. Probably caused by the sun. An unbalance on that side of the world causing medium term weather changes that have to be balanced elsewhere in the world otherwise our balloon would be permanently lopsided, and the forces of gravity make sure that there is a balance after a bit of pushing and tugging of somebody else’s weather systems. And our so-called fossil fuels are just natural batteries containing power generated by the sun over millions of years, absorbed by the plants of the day, and laid down to be used millions of years later. Why create coal, gas and oil otherwise? You can’t destroy energy. You can only change it. Fossil fuels are the stored energy of the sun. That power has already been unleashed on the earth before man was a dodgy idea in the head of ‘creation’, for want of a more acceptable word. Using them doesn’t create ‘extra’ climate changing energy any more than using battery power creates new electrical energy.

Back to Fluffy & the Lion, barrelling around in their balloon, trying to be the fed and not the food. Bouncing off the sides, avoiding all the other thousands of animals taking part in similar interactions. Ask a modeller to include the instantaneously changing fates of all the animals in their interactions with our pair and then ask said modeller what the state of play will be in two hours time, or two weeks time, or two decades time. THAT’S what a climate change forecast would have to do to be even a bit credible.

The Met Office used to boast about having the biggest Cray supercomputer in the U.K. Every Cray in the world, joined in parallel, couldn’t do that forecast. That’s even if you could agree on parameter design in the first place. Yet every tinpot junk scientist on the BBC approved list can do this, apparently, and wants you to bin your family’s standard of living, not just a bit, but drastically. If you pay them money via the Government, they may be able to help with this transition to misery. Or, when it comes to it, the Government will help with your plight. As long as you do as you’re told.

Watch out for that last bit. It may be the key.

James Leary is the pseudonym of a retired passenger jet Captain.

Tags: Chaos TheoryClimate changeEl NiñoMarsWeather

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GroundhogDayAgain
GroundhogDayAgain
11 months ago

Can we throw all the climate hysterics into the bag to be mauled by lions and trampled by elephants?

I know that was a metaphor but nonetheless my sentiments remain unchanged.

There are plenty of valid things we can do to clean up our acts. Not dumping plastic into the ocean; better managing the by products of human life; keeping forests intact; protecting habitats and the diversity of the food web; preventing polluting runoffs from manufacturing; not building dirty great stripmines to obtain the ingredients of EV batteries etc. I’d support these in a heartbeat.

But impoverishment of the population on the flimsy pretext that reducing the emission of a single trace gas will be the saviour of the planet. Eff off.

This single minded nuttiness is distracting us from the sensible things we could be focusing on.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago
Reply to  GroundhogDayAgain

Yes but it isn’t about the trace gas. —–CO2 = wealth not climate.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
11 months ago
Reply to  varmint

Correct,..global wealth adjustment!

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago
Reply to  GroundhogDayAgain

“ Not dumping plastic into the ocean…”

Why not? Because you have been told it’s a ‘problem’ but just as so many claims, no evidence is provided to explain what exactly is the ‘problem’.

80% of plastic in the ocean come from fishing, not dumped but lost, such as nets, lobster/crab pots, fudging lines. Most of the rest comes from a few rivers in Africa and Asia because all garbage is dumped in rivers or the sea because they are not rich enough economies to have proper sanitation.

But in any case – what is the’ problem’? The volume and mass of ocean is so immense the plastic in it is literally a drop in the ocean.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago
Reply to  JXB

Yes but I still would not chuck plastic in the ocean anymore than I would chuck it in a field, just as I would not chuck lumps of metal or wood in the ocean or a field. But we should remember that plastic is an excellent product and it doesn’t chuck itself into the ocean, it is people that do that. So it is people that are the problem , not the plastic.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago

“The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible”.–IPCC——-Yet how many times do we hear politicians, bureaucrats and silly environmental activists tell us we only have a few months to save the planet and that there is a climate emergency, despite the fact that there is no increase in the frequency or intensity of any type of weather event anywhere in the world. ———–The quote above is a famous one but it can be viewed in context where the IPCC reveal the difficulty and uncertainty in climate forecasting and how real world observations are not adequate. —-To view the whole Assessment Report go to IPCC – Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago
Reply to  varmint

I don’t recall the name, but some nitwit said we need to reduce CO2 to return to a stable climate.

These fools believe in climate stasis.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago

It is incredible to see only 2 comments on this article about the issue that more than any other affects every aspect of our life. Prosperity, health, lifespan, freedom etc etc etc. The weather is weaponised against us for political purposes.

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ELH
ELH
11 months ago
Reply to  varmint

I agree with you that this is the most important issue – however there are distractions everywhere and people’s attentions are constantly being diverted/distracted by “current” events. The number of upticks on comments does to some extent make up for the lack of written responses.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago
Reply to  ELH

If they don’t get “distracted” soon by their every increasing energy bills and start kicking up a stink about the phony climate crisis, our pretend to save the planet politicians are going to continue to get away with this eco socialist scam.

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago
Reply to  varmint

Could that be because the subject is weather and climate?

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ELH
ELH
11 months ago

Thank you for a very well argued article.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
11 months ago
Reply to  ELH

Thanks for reading it.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
11 months ago

“The idea that this can be ‘modelled’ is for the birds.”

and the birds stand a pretty good chance in that sack!😉

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

The IPCC have admitted that long term modelling of the climate system is “not possible”, and you can see the full report that includes that quote in the link in my comment above.

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Epi
Epi
11 months ago

I heard or read somewhere that the earth makes its own oil? Think Tucker Carlson interviewed someone about it a few months back but I can’t seem to find it.

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago
Reply to  Epi

That hypothesis has been around for a while, that oil is produced deep down near the Earth’s core and is part of a cycle.

However no evidence backs it up.

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Westfieldmike
Westfieldmike
11 months ago

In the ancient past, before wonderful modern media, people suffered 200 year droughts, huge floods, searing Sun, famine, and disease, and it didn’t cost them any tax at all.

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Andy Fitton
Andy Fitton
11 months ago

I have been of the opinion ever since I watched ‘an inconvenient truth’ that the most significant change in the earths climate in recent years is the frequency, accuracy and amount by which we measure it. In accordance with the observer rule. If you significantly change how you measure something you should expect a significantly different answer.

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago
Reply to  Andy Fitton

Climate is an abstraction, a term for averaged past weather – it cannot therefore be observed or measured.

We do have better weather observation, but only for about the last 100 years. Much of the measuring devices have not been very accurate and on.y over a relatively small area of the surface.

That is too short a time and too inaccurate to make comparisons or conclusions or predictions.

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varmint
varmint
11 months ago
Reply to  Andy Fitton

But you should also consider the data manipulation that has occurred and is occurring. There is that old saying “Who pays the piper calls the tune”, and if you apply that to climate change science you realise that most of it is funded by government. The very same governments with a political agenda called Sustainable Development.

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JXB
JXB
11 months ago

Climate, then, is history not science.

So if you want to know about climate and its changes the best people to ask are the Earth’s historians, geologists.

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LionelMan
LionelMan
11 months ago

“gravity is the key to everything in the universe. ”

I have believed this for decades. Nothing exists (matter) without gravity. Gravity proves the existence of the Universe and everything in it, including dark matter. It comes before everything including energy, ie everything after the Supreme Being that got the gravity ball rolling.

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LionelMan
LionelMan
11 months ago

Net zero is simply one of several means to the end goal of human depopulation. WW3 and directed Bioweapons are other methods. All trace to the Atheistic AI nerds that will take nearly all jobs away in the next generation.

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