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If You Thought Assisted Suicide Would Guarantee a Quick, Painless Death, Data from Oregon Will Make You Think Again

by Nick Rendell
13 April 2024 9:00 AM

Suicide is a bit of a hit and miss affair. I can think of six cases of people I’ve known who’ve taken their own lives. One, a very successful business executive, threw himself out an office window; he survived the fall, only to hang himself a couple of years later. The girlfriend of a lodger survived throwing herself in front of an underground train: she left it too late and got blown back onto the platform, breaking a hip. She too, some while later completed the job by jumping off Beachy Head. A business acquaintance, having been diagnosed with Parkinson’s blew his brains out with a shot gun, literally, leaving his wife to clear up the mess. The girlfriend of another acquaintance killed herself when her boyfriend went off to university, only for the boyfriend, my acquaintance, to follow suit on the anniversary of her death. Finally, a university fresher I knew, depressed and alone in his halls of residence, killed himself during the first lockdown. Apparently a grim and drawn-out death. I blame Ferguson, Whitty, Boris and the other nutters for that one.

Of the six, two failed the first time. Two had access to shotguns and made a good job of it. Two others used a drug cocktail, which while fatal, was neither quick nor, so I’m told, painless. While jumping off Beachy Head shows a level of determination beyond my imagining. Half were in their late teens or early 20s. Each one a tragedy in its own way, leaving behind misery, heartache and untold complications.

To my mind only one of these deaths made any sense. I suspect a psychiatrist would concur. However, as we’re seeing in Canada, and who knows perhaps all too soon in the U.K., it won’t be doctors making the decision, it will be ‘human rights lawyers’ should proponents succeed in following Canada’s lead and making state assisted suicide a human right, opening the floodgates to those who, with help, could get their lives back on track.

Given that two of the suicide attempts I detailed resulted in failure but significant injury, I can see that there is an argument for getting the state and a doctor involved – the argument based on ‘utility’. Surely, if a doctor were to be involved, while the suicide may still be, in the eyes of the rest of us, a mistake, then, to quote Macbeth:

If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly.

Surely, the involvement of a doctor would at least make it all cleaner, more efficient.

However, it isn’t only my acquaintances who have a tendency to botch their suicide attempts; most efforts are unsuccessful. I doubt any data on the efficacy of suicide attempts are particularly accurate, but the chart in Figure 1 reflects the estimates I’ve seen. 17.5% of attempts using a firearm fail. 40% of hangings fail. Heavens, even 70% of jumpers survive! One can only imagine the injuries this all results in.

Figure 1

Apparently, only about 5% of people who survive a suicide attempt go on to kill themselves within the next five years. Clearly, most people who attempt suicide and fail get over it. I’m not sure that getting professional help to improve their first-time success rate is necessarily a good idea.

However, are doctors likely to improve on your own ham-fisted efforts at ending it all? Having looked at the evidence, I was surprised to find it appears you’d be better off consulting a slaughterman than a doctor. Slaughtermen kill hundreds of large mammals every year with barely a misstep.

It might not immediately occur to you, but doctors, certainly in countries where they already have assisted dying or the death penalty, do a fair bit of killing already, though I’m not sure they can hold a candle to slaughtermen.

There were 24 executions in the USA in 2023. Back in 1999, enthusiasm peaked when 98 prisoners were put to death. By way of contrast, in nearby Canada something like 17,500 people will have been ‘euthanised’ in 2023. That’s almost 50 deaths per day! Quite something. Canada, with a population one eighth the size of the USA, is killing twice as many people each day as the U.S. executes in a year.

You might think that with this level of killing both Canadian and U.S. doctors would have it down to a fine art. Apparently not!

Executions of death row inmates takes various forms: lethal injection, gas, the electric chair, hanging and firing squad. All are fraught with problems. There are newspaper articles galore detailing no end of horrors: how long it takes for the prisoner to die, difficulties getting the needle in the vein, failures of electric chairs, firing squads missing. Having killed a few chickens and, grimly, once a very sick old ewe on an Australian sheep farm, I have every sympathy for those called to do the killing and the real-life difficulties that present themselves as you make a hash of what, on paper, would seem to be the most straightforward of tasks.

John Wyatt, Emeritus Professor of Neonatal Paediatrics, has written a very moving piece in the Spectator concerning the likely impact on practicing doctors if a bill recently drafted by the Scottish Liberal Democrats legalising ‘assisted dying’ gets passed by the Holyrood Parliament. Doctors would then find themselves being expected to kill patients. How to square this with a doctor’s primary objective ‘do no harm’? In the article he notes that the Hippocratic code prohibits physicians from participating in judicial executions. Clearly, the ethics around extending a doctor’s duty to killing their patients presents huge ethical dilemmas.

To me, one of the most intriguing points raised by Wyatt is that “once the physician has certified the death, he will be legally instructed to produce a false and patently misleading death certificate – saying that the certified cause of death was the underlying disease, rather than the lethal poison that had just been administered”. Given the controversary during the ‘pandemic’ in the recording of deaths ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid, and the corruption of ‘all-cause’ mortality data, a sceptic, such as me, is highly suspicious of this particular sleight of hand.

It will be argued by many that there’s a vast difference between executing a murderer and ending the life of someone, either terminally ill or who, for whatever reason, wants some help ending his or her life. Many will argue that there’s a difference morally. But one question I’d never previously considered was the ‘how’. How do you go about killing people?

In addressing this problem, I’m indebted to one of the Daily Sceptic‘s regular below-the-line commentators who, beneath one of my recent articles, linked to a blog post by Sir Desmond Swayne MP which included a report by the Oregon Health Department, entitled ‘Death with Dignity’. The report details the annual results of Oregon’s Assisted Dying Act.

It’s in the area of ‘efficacy’ that the Oregon report is so illuminating. Let’s start with a bit of context. In Oregon they aren’t killing people on the industrial scale of Canada but they still manage to kill more than 20 times the number executed across the entirety of the USA.

Five hundred and sixty people were prescribed the lethal drugs in 2023. Of those, 367 – just 65% – died from the cocktail. The other 193 people didn’t survive the drugs – they either didn’t take them, died of something else before ingesting the drugs or the medics lost track of them.

The report includes a handy summary of what happened to the those prescribed with the drugs in 2023, which I’ve reproduced in Figure 5.

Figure 5

As an aside, it’s worth noting that 17 patients, presumably from the group who didn’t ‘ingest’ the drugs, outlived the six months residual span of life, the maximum time that, according to the doctor, a patient can be expected to live and still qualify for assisted suicide. Be that as it may, you can see that nothing is straightforward, nor – if you are someone considering suicide – is it terribly reassuring.

The following tables are lifted from the report.

Firstly, let’s look at ‘complications’. Well, the first thing that strikes you about the findings is how incomplete they are. Of the 367 who took the poison there are no data for 265 (72%) of them. Of the 102 (28%) for whom we have data, 8% had difficulty swallowing or regurgitated the poison. One patient had a seizure.

It seems odd that for most patients no data are available. However, the next table gives you some clues as to why this might be. Figure 7 shows who was with the patient when he or she either took the drugs or died from the drugs. For only 58 (16%) of the 367 patients was the prescribing doctors present when the ‘medicine’ was ingested. And in only 44 (12%) of cases was the doctor present when the patient died.

Figure 7

In 14 cases the doctor appears to have left the patient between ‘ingestion’ and death. Similarly, while of the 258 cases for which there are data, 43 were seemingly alone when they ingested the ‘medicine’, by the time of death 168 were seemingly alone. This all suggests the ‘medicine’ isn’t all that fast acting.

Figure 8 tells us just how fast the ‘medicine’ takes to do its job. For 34% of the patients we have no data. Of the 64% for whom there are data it took from one minute to over eight hours (488 mins) for the patient to lose consciousness, with a median time of five minutes. Death took rather longer. The median time to death was 53 minutes, while at least one poor soul took 137 hours, not far off six days to die! Can you imagine if this happened in an execution chamber, or an abattoir come to that.

Figure 8

Figure 9 has data on the ‘why’. Why did these 367 people want to die? Only 34% mentioned inadequate pain control. For most it was losing autonomy, being a burden on their family, or just not being able to enjoy life.

Figure 9

The message I take from the Oregon report is that the mechanics of all this look very messy. Admittedly, these data are limited to Oregon. Maybe they do things better in Canada or the Netherlands or Belgium. Maybe they’ll do it better in Scotland or eventually England and Wales when it’s inevitably introduced – but I doubt it.

I suspect killing a person can be every bit as messy and distressing as I found killing that old ewe in Australia 40 years ago. Certainly, having been fairly equivocal about assisted dying, having read this report I can’t think it’s something I’d be happy recommending for my loved ones.

I’ve always been a bit of a doodler. One thing I frequently drew while in boring meetings was a guillotine I could build in my garage. I’d decided that it would probably be the quickest, most pain-free way to go. The design was ingenious if I say so myself. However, in recent years I’d rather assumed I’d be happy to let the professionals take over when the time came. Well, not any more. I must go and dig out those old notebooks, I suspect my home-made guillotine or the local slaughterman will prove the better bet.

Tags: Assisted suicideCanadaCapital punishmentEuthanasiaOregonUnited States

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Little children who are isolated can’t socialise.
Little children who don’t socialise don’t learn to talk.
Little children who can’t see faces, can’t read facial expressions.
Children who don’t go to school, don’t learn.

Who’d have thunk it?

Here’s another. Little children who are born and brought up in Hell, will grow up as demons.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

This is what has to be understood and remembered by anyone inclined to defeatism or despair.

I know that the difficulties seem overwhelming; the apathy and the ignorance too large to overcome. And most of us are tired.

But we have to try with every ounce of our ingenuity and resources to ensure that the crimes of lockdowns, mask mandates and the active encouragement of the injection of young children with experimental chemical materials are never repeated. And we have to win.

These are not mistakes. They are atrocities.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Well done AE.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

“Children who don’t go to school, don’t learn.”

I’ll tell you who would have thought that.
Anyone who has no idea about raising children, no idea about education, no idea about the human drive to learn, and no idea about human evolution, that’s who.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Star, let’s assume Annie was referring to the majority of children, for whom their parents have not the time nor, crucially, enough control over their expenses to take responsibility for their children’s education.

When schools operate well (that’s a whole other discussion!), they represent most children’s best opportunity to break free of the sins of their parents…

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rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

I have to say that my experience of school was that it was a second rate version of what my parents could provide for me. What neither provided for me was emotional development, practical training and how to face off bullies.

I’d already learned half of the junior school ‘3Rs’ stuff by the age of 5, so school was just more of the same as far as I was concerned.

Need different types of school for different types of parents…..it needs to complement what parents can give, not be a one-size-fits-all lottery which selects out the ones whose parents offer something different as the lucky ones….

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Indeed. Until we have a social system a bit like Star Trek, where children’s individual talents are nurtured and they are offered a place in society based on the unique contribution they can make, then schools are good at preparing children for work. I might get told off by Star for saying it, but we all went through school and managed to emerge as critical thinkers, didn’t we.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

I agree with the criticisms of schools. But they can also provide outstandingly good experiences: ones that empower children.

Many would remember a teacher who changed their life for the better; as well as the ones who were the stuff of nightmares.

There are also homes which are nightmares, where children are taught things like self-loathing and that violence is the answer to all problems. For children in such homes, school can be a respite.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Indeed, Annie. It was so painfully obvious that the child’s whole life experience was being sacrificed. These animals ruined nearly two years of children’s education, deprived them of nearly two years of normal, healthy human interaction with teachers, peers, friends and family, and these criminals have in all probability turned a large portion of children into neurotics and hypochondriacs.

One is not being a clever Dick when saying, with a due sense of exhaustion, Yeah, we warned you about this two years ago! Any rational human being accessing their rational swede could have foreseen this. It was so obvious that, unless we want to posit that the entire establishment are utterly stupid, they must have known what they were doing to children, and, for one reason or another, they just didn’t care.

This cannot have been a ‘mistake’.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Too late to edit. To clarify:

It was so obvious that, unless we want to posit that the entire establishment are utterly stupid, they must have known what they were doing to children, and, for one reason or another, they just didn’t care.

This should read:

It was so obvious that, unless we want to posit that the entire establishment are so utterly stupid that there were not enough rational voices capable of stopping this insanity, they must have known what they were doing to children, and, for one reason or another, they just didn’t care.

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beancounter
beancounter
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

There were plenty of rational voices expressing their sensible views that the whole lockdown of society, including children, was insane and a morally bankrupt strategy. Those people still continue to express those same opinions, yet have been vilified for over 24 months for being the “wrong sort” of expert.

I am sure that there are many commentators to this blog who have experienced issues with relationships with friends and family; I certainly have as my aged mother accused me of being “pig headed” and “stupid” for not being jabbed. She also told me in March 2020 that I wouldn’t be able to visit her until at least August 2020 as that was what the PM had said. My mother is not a fool but, like many of all ages, she had been conned by people who appear to be intent on ruining the western economic and social systems for some ulterior motives.

The disgraceful abuse of children is no worse than the abuse of other citizens – it would appear that only now are some people waking up to that abuse imposed by unelected bureaucrats and so-called “social media”; the latter is certainly not social as has been demonstrated by the intolerance shown by the executives running these media corporations who have acted as Big Brother in rewriting history alongside the daily “hate”.

The fact that some organisations have deemed 1984 so insidious that it requires a “trigger” warning really shows the depths to which our civilisation and educational institutions have sunk – I was brought up to read and educate myself, not be told what to think and do in an uncritical manner.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

Terrific post.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

Marvellous post, bean.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Edit not necessary.

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pjar
pjar
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

When you consider that there was an entire Behavioural Insight Team at work on this, it’s astonishing how little insight they had about behaviour…

But then, when you consider also that the government determined that the one person they should listen to on the pandemic’s trajectory should be the man who was comprehensively wrong on every other illness he modelled, perhaps one shouldn’t be too surprised?

As with so many things that this government is doing, their actions are so glaringly and obviously wrong, one can only conclude that it must be deliberate. A feeling that is supported by the fact that the ‘opposition’ is fully on board too, rather than questioning policy decisions.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

It wasn’t a mistake, it was just part of a bigger crime.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

FWIW my view is that the ill treatment of children has been deliberate and planned. The intention is to turn them in to neurotic slave fodder by the time they reach adulthood.

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

Next we have Sybil Fawlty, special subject, the Bleeding Obvious.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

“Members of the public could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting coronavirus by wearing face masks, one of England’s most senior doctors has warned.
Jenny Harries, DEPUTY chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in” – Independent March 2020.

Why has this evidence been ignored and why are we continuing to pursue such damaging policies? The head of the UKHSA, DAME Jenny Harries, is still encouraging the wearing of face masks indoors in England.

WE ALL KNOW WHY.
Next question where has INTEGRITY, HONOUR, TRUTH gone.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Because it is a cult. Cults are dangerous. It is Autumn and winter you need to focus on. The situation in Singapore is likely the model they’ll attempt.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Can you summarise your understanding of the situation in Singapore?

Singapore was one of the first countries in the world to go online in a big way, and it was also an “early adopter” of RFID bus passes. People can pooh-pooh those facts now, but I’m talking about a time when the large majority of the population in “advanced” countries hadn’t heard of the internet and as for wireless passes they were widely considered almost like sci-fi.

Singapore has long been on my shortlist as a possible first country to introduce mass compulsory microchip implantation.

Sweden and China are also on the list. Also you could get one of the emirates such as Dubai compulsorily chipping millions of guestworkers.

Of course you could also get a “bolt from the blue” in, say, Iceland, or Austria, or indeed Britain.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Can you summarise your understanding of the situation in Singapore?

I was referring only to the recent events, people locked up and going hungry. Plus the dystopian scenes of government drones with loudspeakers.

I was unaware of the history you outlined. Thanks for posting. It is worrying how quickly societies succumb to control and serfdom.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Did you mean Shanghai?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Didn’t Our Dear Leader say we were going to be the Singapore of the West?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

An ominous prediction in light of recent events.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Not even surprised any more.

I see that she was made a Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire in the 2022 New Year Honours for “services to health”. That’s according to Wikipedia, but it’s obviously another Wikipedia mistake.

Services to what or to whom?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Satan.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Her ‘services to health’ would seem to consist of having assisted in the reduction in the number of those who could bog down the NHS with their ‘health needs’.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

The soddin’ masks were MEANT. to trap the virus right next to the zombie’s nose and mouth. That’s what the soddin’ masks were meant to be FOR.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

One wonders, if her pronouncements are those of a deputy CMO, how thick other doctors must be not to have achieved similar status.
Or perhaps her selection was based on ‘biddability’?

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

No Nazi could argue against the Hitler salute either…
This is all that masks are: Gessler hats.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Some facts:

  • 1) the “Hitler” salute was adopted by the German Nazis from the Italian fascists;
  • 2) the Italian fascists used it because a) Benito Mussolini was a Trump-like germophobe who hated shaking hands, and b) it referenced the Roman empire;
  • 3) the German Nazis didn’t call themselves “Nazis” – that was a term of derision used by their opponents. Sure, it was a contraction of “National Socialist” on the model of “Sozi”, but that’s not the point. It was used by snobs to denote a stereotypical uneducated Roman Catholic peasant from Bavaria, stereotypically called “Ignatius”, or, in its shortened form, “Nazi”.
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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Interesting to see your evidence for Trump being a germaphobe, other than our ‘reliable MSM.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

It wasn’t ‘evidence’ when she said that, and almost nothing she’s said or done since has been based on ‘evidence’. The woman is a charlatan.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

It was never there. It’s always been an illusion.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“Members of the public could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting coronavirus by wearing face masks, one of England’s most senior doctors has warned.

Jenny Harries, DEPUTY chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in” – Independent March 2020.

You see? These people are not completely stupid. Even granting the simplistic argument that virus spreads via droplets, the clue is in the language being used. It spreads via droplets. If a particle is piggybacking on a droplet, once that droplet evaporates after being stuck on a damp face covering or mask, what do you think happens to the particle? It remains. The particle does not evaporate! So, among other things, the wearer can send the particle out/back out into the population by coughing, sneezing, talking, etc., or they can breathe the particle in/back in. Thus, the face covering or mask plays a mediatory role in the transmission of virus. So, even granting the droplets view, the face covering/mask is still rendered utterly useless.

At least some of those involved knew this. No question.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

But they are old fashioned things now, not progressive or woke

Also, the very concept of Truth has been replaced by ‘your truth, or ‘my truth’, when in fact nobody owns the truth according to their feelings. There is only The Truth. That’s it!

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
3 years ago

Given that there was no impact assessment or cost benefit analysis performed by any government department, be it The Treasury, Health, Education, Social Security, the Cabinet Office or SAGE, and that the potential harms were clear for all to see, the ruination of children’s lives must have been seen as.a price worth paying.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

And if that’s not bad enough, welcome Mrna jabs for the rest of your life.
We jab our children because we love them.

And, should you achieve an age of realisation, you will accept without question and rejoice that every move you make, every transaction you make – will be monitored – for your own good and for the good of all.
All possible because of the wonderful medico/health digital ID system we have planned for all.
Democracy is wonderful.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago

Back in August 2020 at the time mask mandates were being imposed Jenny Harries stated that there was no strong evidence for the mask wearing other than psychological “support” – dare one say that this “support” had only negative and detrimental consequences, and this was what they were after. A sinister “nudge” technique still being employed across the world to keep people in thrall and harm them psychologically.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3021/rr-2

What can one say about such people?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

What can one say about such people?

The same thing said throughout history, the end justifies the means. They seek power and will sacrifice you and your children to get it. Power corrupts, and the corrupted make poor judgments.

This is why the British approach to liberty focused on restraining the powerful, an overlooked aspect of the Anglo-Saxon mindset.

In an era when unproductive nonentities, tiny minorities and narcissists condemn us from their little bubbles, we need more than ever to remind them how Britain actually works. No one is allowed to weild power over us for any reason. Transgressing this must result in punishment. In extreme cases, where the effect is effectively treason, the punishment should be death.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Death sentences for ‘Treason’ were written out of the law books by the Crime and Disorder Act under Tony Blair. Sedition as a crime was chucked out in 2009.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Easily fixed, Neil.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Bliar knew what was coming.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

“It has been recently suggested that Blair’s move was “perfectly legal” even though the Declaration of Rights and the Revolution Settlement in 1689 dictates that “suspending laws or the operation of laws” is illegal.

Contrary to popular belief the death penalty still exists in Britain for high treason as the 1795 Treasonable and Seditious Practices Act was NOT repealed in 1998 when Tony Blair introduced the Crime and Disorder Act.

In chapter 36 of this 1998 ‘Act’ he attempted to repeal the 1795 Act and the death penalty for high treason but Blair had no lawful authority to do so, and he committed treason in his attempt. He would be in prison today if only the people would stand united under their constitution as the law demands”

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Back in August 2020 this was being pushed hard by the Gates front organisation IHME

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/wheres-the-missing-evidence/

And who is behind the WHO pandemic treaty, about which Daily Sceptic is yet to report?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Indeed, Phantom. Keep publicising it. We are being constantly manipulated

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

😉

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Nicely done

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

The Global Takeover Hinges on Pandemics and Transhumanism
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/04/16/global-takeover.aspx
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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

There is no excuse for babies not being able to communicate, or toddlers not being potty trained. Before care and rearing of pre-schoolers was outsourced from parents to Nurseries, parents socialised their babies and toddlers. If they didn’t do it during the Lockdown that is parental failing and nothing else.

it’s school age children who had appalling treatment from the SAGE, the Government and the Teaching Unions. What they did to a generation of school children is unforgiveable.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

They aren’t looking for forgiveness. They are receiving knighthoods. No one in power cares about children. Why would they?

Our sin is letting them have power over us. No one was actually forced to mask their kids or get them injected. A public show of defiance would have brought all that to an end.

But, as you correctly state, parents seem to view kids as a nuisance so they outsource their upbringing. That has consequences.

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

I don’t think this is always true, I think there are plenty of parents out there who would gladly (properly) raise their kids themselves instead of working, but the cost of living in this country compared to wages effectively forces parents to work full time+. And now there’s a lot of money to be made in providing childcare services, which employs people who then pay taxes.
Yes I do believe this is designed deliberately to keep the population compliant.
I’m waiting for an investigation into where the children of keyworkers actually were during lockdown when their parents had no choice but to go to work.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

I agree. And there are longterm effects people are doing their best to cope with. High taxation is a massive factor, and a main contributor to the high cost of living.

But we are addicted to big government. That is an expensive indulgence. None of it helps and it has the useful side effect of damaging the nuclear family which certain groups are keen to see more of.

Economic collapse will probably sort most of this.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Taxation is astonishingly high. Income tax and employer’s and employee’s NI takes nearly half. Then 20% VAT when you spend it. Fill you car up and you actually pay VAT on the fuel duty! Council Tax is daylight robbery and they still charge for much of the “service” they provide.

Much of what the parasites take from us is spent on putting obstacles in the way of us getting on with our lives.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

A local example –

OMBC have interest charges this year, on outstanding Council loans of £38 million.

INTEREST on loans of Thirty Eight Million.

How is a crummy, mafia run Council allowed to get in to so much debt?

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

In school. I know this as my friend is a dinner lady and worked throughout the whole of the corona crap. What cracked me up that she is considered ‘vulnerable’ due to respiratory disease.

She does not consider herself ‘vulnerable’ btw.

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HumanRightsForever
HumanRightsForever
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

…

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  HumanRightsForever

You seem to think the offered cap is a good fit.
I strongly doubt that RTSC would blame ALL parents. Some for example don’t send their children either to nurseries or to school, but socialise them and educate them properly. Generally speaking, home educators slog their guts out for their children far more than school parents would ever consider doing.

Some parents do indeed fight for survival, especially single parents – there is no doubt about that. But many parents haven’t a clue what “fight for survival” means and when the bank lends them money they think it’s “giving” them something.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

At last, someone talks some sense!

It has to be observed, though, that not all parents have failed. Some actually understand their responsibilities and don’t shirk them.

Another obsevation is that what many parents have been doing in the house while they’ve been “saving lives and protecting the NHS”, rather than helping their children learn and develop, is picking these disgusting gadgets called “smartphones”. (That doesn’t let smartphone-picker parents off the hook – I am just making the observation, that’s all.)

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paul smith
paul smith
3 years ago

Quite simply. the Morlocks are breeding Eloi.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  paul smith

The powerful are creating a small minority who increasingly understand there is no way to reason our way out of this. It is us versus them, with the majority caught in the middle.

That small minority, which probably includes most visitors to this site, are prepared to put in a little effort to understand what is happening, however flawed. That alone puts you in a minority.

The takeaway everyone should understand is virtually none of what our would-be rulers do stands up to scrutiny. Masks, lockdowns and experimental injections have all been throroughly trashed by scientific enquiry and we all know it. We know that they know it too. Their continued adherence to flawed science can only be interpreted harshly, and our own judgment of them must be equally harsh. There is no middle ground here.

This is a culture war between normal people and a technocratic elite. And elites by their nature must remain small. A tiny number are telling people to abuse their kids. That is worth remembering.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  paul smith

Not Eloi. Morlocks. Wait until they grow up, completely unsocialised, utterly amoral.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Wait until then, you say?

Look at how many rape scenes there are in the filthy TV series “Game of Thrones”, and how little criticism it’s had by anyone at all in the MSM:

https://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/28/a-tumblr-user-performed-a-statistical-analysis-of-rape-on-game-of-thrones/

John Bosnitch made a film about how all the stops were pulled out to promote this bottom-of-the-barrel muck and to say what great literature it was (just like Tolkien apparently – I mean how can any sane person say such a thing?) and how the actors and actresses all deserved Oscars and Nobel prizes (OK I made up the bit about Nobel prizes). It’s extremely hard to get hold of. It’s called “Fair Game: The Critical Universe Around HBO’s Game of Thrones.”

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  paul smith

Blame the Morlocks for everything, eh?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Now? Sorry too little too late.

And the jabs? Anything to say about those? Or is the man going to wait a couple of years to say something about the risk and damage of jabs to kids?

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago

Nothing new here.

I have noticed this trend since the Sony Walkman stated to be sold. It accelerated when the Nintendo Game Boy came into the market, and now with Smartphones hardly any child looks at each other any more.

Lockdown simply put the cap on it. Everybody now lives in their own virtual world…

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

This trend is exacerbated by the constant neurotic pushing of fear to create anxiety. The world is dangerous, best stay safe in your little bubble.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

The pediatricians are among the worst and most sadistic people in this plandemic, certainly in the US and Germany: ultra-pro masking children ignoring or smearing any harmful evidence, ultra-pro locking them up and in, ultra-pro poisoning them.
Nuremberg 2 front bench material.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

The first professional group to endorse the Nazis in 1930s Germany were the medical fraternity. It has long been observed the process of medical training quickly filters out the mavericks and troublemakers, leaving the compliant.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Not just the first, also the group with the highest membership ratio.
Half of all doctors were party members, and 80% of dentists were.
Doctors and dentists were also making up the largest profession among SS members, by far.

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cloud6
cloud6
3 years ago

What I found astounding about this list of so-called experts is that none of them apart from Dr Sunetra Gupta and Dr Carl Heneghan really stood up for children during the two years plus of this pandemic.

Hugh McCarthy
Ruth Sedgewick
Dr Jay Bhattacharya
Chris Whitty
Professor Russell Viner
Anne Longfield
Dr. Margareta Griesz-Brisson
Dr Raj Persaudi
Dr Sunetra Gupta
Dr Paul Alexander
Dr Carl Heneghan
Dame Rachel De Souza
Professor Mark Woolhouse

Where were your voices then?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Cults have always sacrificed children

Nothing new under the sun,son

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

But but but granny was saved.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

for three months…

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

The damage caused to our young has been immense; we’ve sacrificed the young for the old (actually, it looks like there wasn’t any substantial benefit to the old either — we sacrificed the young to support some politicians’ misinterpretation of science, hoping that it would win them some votes / money).

This was easy to do, because the young (well, up to about 15) mainly do what their told by authority — if we’d subjected the average 40 year old to those levels of disruption they’d have been rioting.

This focus on the young wasn’t merely incidental — there are documented instances of officials stating that they’d take advantage of our youngsters compliance and sensitivity to peer pressure. These are huge red-flags when it comes to medical interventions — all the ethics/morals rules say that you have to be careful not to abuse peer pressure, yet our officials were delighting in it.

Beyond the ethical argument, there’s an excellent selfish reason to look after the young — in a few years’ time they’ll be running the country and looking after the old. I hope they don’t bear a grudge.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago

I shall be attending the demo on Saturday April 30th.
Currently, my placard (A2 size) campaigns against Vaccine Passports, Lockdowns, and Face-nappies.
It is getting a bit tired having been used quite a few times now.
The trouble is that ALL of the above are STILL relevant:

  1. I learned yesterday that the NHS are recruiting ‘Vaccine Passport Managers for PERMANENT positions. Who authorised this and why?
  2. Earlier this week Johnson said he could not rule out further Lockdowns. Why? Ron de Santis has ruled them out, why can’t/won’t he?
  3. The Daily Sceptic reported that NHS panjandrums were pressing for a return of face-nappy mandates and so on, because the NHS was, or was about to be ‘overwhelmed’. They have sufficient money, use it wisely, instead of squandering it on useless non-jobs such as attempting to force people to use their idiotic one-way systems. I had the childish satisfaction on Wednesday of exiting High Wycombe Hospital by the entrance door. By the time the door goons got their act together I was out.

I shall also add a line about the atrocity called ‘Child-stabbing’.
More practically, the previous day I shall be playing chess (most likely simultaneously) the previous evening at a local youth club.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

The Daily Sceptic reported that NHS panjandrums were pressing for a return of face-nappy mandates and so on, because the NHS was, or was about to be ‘overwhelmed’. They have sufficient money, use it wisely, instead of squandering it on useless non-jobs such as attempting to force people to use their idiotic one-way systems.

But then they might have to reduce the number of Diversity Managers, and just think what a devastating impact that would have…

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago

We took both our children out of school in October 2020. We are pleased to report the opposite of bullet points 5, 6 and 7.

Last edited 3 years ago by Marcus Aurelius knew
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Star
Star
3 years ago

Anyone who welcomes the insane parent-hating Ofsted report deserves a thrashing.
Don’t send your children to school. Educate them at home. Home’s the biggest factor in their achievements even if they do go to school.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Hear, hear!

school-indoctrination-1647150670.1683.jpg
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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Factor in the State-sponsored grooming into LGBT, the replacement of fathers with government.
As my Boss says, it would be better for these evil individuals to have a millstone tied around their necks and chucked into the sea than cause these little children to stumble.
Bring it on Lord!

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

Just to ensure our children’s minds are complete mush, schools teach them about LGBT and racism, problems highly educated adults can’t deal with but kids are expected to handle in primary school.

Is there a place on the curriculum for things like, how to open a bank account, how does a mortgage work, how to manage a credit card or balance a household budget?

Of course not, far too sensible.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

And dangerous to those who would rule us. Can’t have the kids thinking for themselves.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Is it difficult for a parent to show a teenager how to open a bank account? As for managing a credit card, why on earth would somebody want to have one of those? Borrowing money to do the weekly shop when you don’t have to is truly moronic.

I know some people think “I can handle it”, but they probably also think they’re not influenced by advertising and they have probably never realised that no moneylender will lend strangers money out of the kindness of their hearts.

Mind you, hang around in a red-light-and-drugs district and maybe somebody will “give” you some drugs for free…If so, it must be because they really like you, or they want to help you, or something.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

They were happy to sacrifice the young and old, to break up family units.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Yes indeed – notably between middle-aged people and older family members, and between elderly family members in care homes and everybody, and also between children and older family members, and other family relationships besides these too. What’s next in their sights is the relationship between parents and children, or what remains of it in the smartphone epoch.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they try to force vaccination on all children, or if they paint parental residence with children as the danger of all dangers and then take children away into camps. Don’t expect headteachers (or other kinds of schoolteacher for that matter) or GPs to object. (Obviously, Britain being Britain, an exception would be made for pupils at private boarding schools, but those places are already a kind of camp.)

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago

Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Officer for England, said in August 2020: “There is overwhelming evidence that missing school is more harmful for children than the virus… Many more children are likely to be harmed by not going to school than by going… They are more likely to have physical and mental ill health issues in the long run.”

Condemned out of his own mouth. He cannot claim ignorance or error. In my view he should hang for this.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Happy Easter my downticker friend.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

For that and many other atrocities to emit from his lizard head.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Chris Whitty should shut his face. He is not responsible for children’s education, and nor are the officials who run schools. Parents are. It’s parents’ choice whether they send their children to school or not, and it’s none of anyone else’s f***ing business. That schools were shut gave school parents the chance of their lives to find out about home education, to get their a*ses into gear. Unfortunately most of them were utterly lazy b***ards.

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
3 years ago

I may have said this before, but 5 minutes with a pencil and the back of an envelope could have predicted this, along with the collapse of the risibly named NHS, the economy and rampant inflation.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Not for most. I know people who have had their five year olds injected. They’re not able to predict anything.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Nassim Taleb said in his book “The Black Swan” that a pandemic was coming. (But it doesn’t qualify as a “black swan”, because it was a known possibility.)

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

So what? I didn’t mention the word pandemic. The problem, the central issue isn’t the presence of a pandemic, but rather the damage caused by the, unplanned, improperly scrutinised, excessive and hysterical, governmental and establishment response, and it’s accompanying narrative.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

Hmm it used to be the back of a fag packet.

How times have changed

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epythymy
epythymy
3 years ago

I wonder how long we will blame (some) delays in 1-2 year olds on lockdowns whilst ignoring their mothers, vaccinated during pregnancy or whilst breastfeeding.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  epythymy

For about the same amount of time we ignore the events around 9/11, the Tuskegee incident and any number of other things with evidence of things not following the official narrative.

People were duped. As one person commented, literal morons saw through this. The laptop class didn’t. That’s a personality issue not intelligence.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

I have no idea what you mean by “intelligence”, but you get a big thumbs up from me for tearing into the “laptop class” 🙂

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Phil_in_Bath
Phil_in_Bath
3 years ago

A comprehensive survey of the damage done to children during this whole story saga, which really deserves a follow-up post.

Boris Johnson is not a scientist. He did not dream up face masks, and social distancing, and lockdowns, by himself. Someone, somewhere, was feeding him this stuff.

The concern is that, as the damage from the official response to COVID becomes clear, there will be a lot of advisors who will conveniently “forget” that they were ever in favour of lockdowns and face masks, and be only too happy to let Boris take the blame. We need a record, now, of exactly who was agitating for what measures and when, so that those responsible (pandemic modellers, public health officials, hospital administrators, behavioural scientists, political advisers, the BBC, for starters) can never restore what’s left of their tattered reputations.

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thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is
3 years ago

This is the first time in history the response to a pandemic is driven by pure evil. And the most worrying thing is how a large majority of the population has accepted it and how many still do. It is only a few days since Boris Johnson threatened to repeat his crimes.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is

What makes you think it was a “response” to a pandemic?
See for example Event 201.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

You beat me to it. 👍

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  thorsteinn@sjonarrond.is

This is the first time in history the response to a pandemic is driven by pure evil.

There was no “pandemic.” The “pandemic” was and is part of the evil.

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MikeHaseler
MikeHaseler
3 years ago

It was all so predictable … but teachers, politicians, journalists and worst of all parents didn’t give a damn about the children.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

Well at least they can all go on holiday now they’ve had all those unlicensed “vaccines”. (Isn’t it lovely of those nice WHO people who changed the definition of a vaccine so that the mRNA jabs can now be called vaccines).

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Woodburner
Woodburner
3 years ago

There seem to be comments advocating execution for the culpable ones,the members of the merely-dormant SAGE, the JCVI, and the rest, but rigorous interrogation, public humiliation and lifelong villification would bring more satisfaction. Those who have lost family and friends can have closure, but people like Johnson and Co. should never be allowed to rest.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Woodburner

I’m not vindictive. I just want these people to f*uck off and leave me alone.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

And still amongst my own family there are supporters of lockdowns and compulsory mask wearing.
It is truly a civil war and in my case it is “brother against brother”

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

The authoritarians have been exploiting children for a long time. Previously it has been shroud waving under the guise of “child protection” which has encouraged suspicion of every man as a potential paedophile, of parents or grandparents photographing their own kids, and of parents taking injured children to A&E.

The covid excesses have also been excused on the grounds of protecting us all from the terrible plague. They don’t actually care about protecting children at all.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Pharma snakes: Thirteen irrefutable facts about snake venom, Big Pharma and bioweapons
https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-04-15-pharma-snakes-thirteen-irrefutable-facts-about-snake-venom-big-pharma-and-biological-weapons.html
Friday, April 15, 2022 by: Mike Adams

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rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago

Present this to SAGE and demand their resignations, along with 100% asset forfeiture to pay for the remedial work required to restore such children closer to ‘normal development’.

Do the same to all the MPs who voted it all through on the nod. And as for the journalists that insulted anyone who challenged the claptrap, tell them to swim the Atlantic Ocean without a support vessel…..

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

“What are we dsoing out childrens’ future?”

Totally ruining it and them.

“We” are nor doing it ..our Polticians and their Deep State allies are

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

We, and by we I mean they, are preparing children for ze Fourth Industrial Revolution™️, in which they will sit drooling behind a screen for most of their life watching various forms of safe entertainment, looking at pictures of places they can never go, and receiving slave tokens to spend on whatever they’re told to spend them on; safe and effective plant-based, bugs & Soylent Green. With that in mind, ‘lockdown’ was a wonderful primer for them.
Of course, I also believe that Generation Z will smash ze Fourth Industrial Revolution™️, eschew technology and kill the progenitors of this sick dystopian fantasty a la John Connor from Terminator.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

“What are we doing to our children?”
Simple; we are abusing them and shortening their lives. Sometimes killing them. But until the sheeple wake up, it will continue.

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Rick Bradford
Rick Bradford
3 years ago

Remember those Romanian orphanages? That is essentially what the British government has done to the nation’s young children.

It is a generational disaster caused by soulless and vain incompetents, and one for which they will never pay.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Rick Bradford

Yes, an appropriate comparison, especially in Scotland, under Nicola Ceausescu

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

This what happens when you follow ‘The Science’. Facts and evidence are ignored.

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

And now this:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/mystery-liver-disease-infecting-children-23724606

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/04/09/pfizer-vaccine-causes-hepatitis-children-uk-gov-investigates/

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-in-hepatitis-liver-inflammation-cases-in-children-under-investigation

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