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The Harm of College Vaccine Mandates

by Ian Miller
23 March 2024 1:00 PM

Who would have believed we’d still be talking about Covid vaccine mandates in 2024, but given how resistant authority figures are to accepting reality, or defeat or acknowledging mistakes, it seems likely we’ll unfortunately be subjected to talking about them forever.

Dozens of colleges are continuing to enforce vaccine and booster mandates on students, refusing to accept, in the face of all available evidence and data, that there is no external health benefit whatsoever to forcing 18-year-olds to get injected with a vaccine with minimal, transient benefits but with potentially harmful side-effects.

This is made even more frustrating by the fact that the former director of the FDA recently admitted that the Covid vaccine approvals process, which gave colleges and universities licence to unnecessarily force mandates onto young people, was catastrophically and fatally flawed.

Now a few researchers have turned their efforts towards attaching specific, conclusive data to expose just how damaging and harmful these mandates have been for young college students.

And it’s not good news.

Covid Booster Mandates Were Completely Unnecessary

The results from this study in the Journal of Medical Ethics are jaw-dropping, both for the harms caused by booster mandates and how utterly meaningless those mandates are to preventing any negative outcomes from Covid.

As the authors explain, thousands if not millions of college students risked having their lives and educations upended if they refused to comply with Covid booster mandates. One would imagine that to risk the possible futures of their students, colleges and universities must have required clear-cut evidence that such mandates were necessary, effective and justifiable given the epidemiological circumstances.

That evidence did not exist.

The underlying assumption of booster mandates is that a mass wave of hospitalisations and serious Covid-caused health issues would occur if students weren’t forced to stay ‘up to date’ with their vaccinations. Another assumption was that immunity from previous infection was effectively nonexistent.

As this study clearly shows, both assumptions were wildly, unimaginably wrong.

Based on an examination of booster efficacy, specifically among the 18-29 age group that makes up the overwhelming majority of college and university students, the authors estimated that 22,000-30,000 young adults must be boosted to prevent one COVID-19 associated hospitalisation.

And even that’s an overstatement. It’s 22,000-30,000 uninfected adults.

We estimate that 22,000-30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one [COVID]-19 hospitalisation.

Given the prevalence of infection-acquired immunity, especially among young people, by the time booster mandates came into effect in late 2021 and early 2022, it’s likely that schools with large enrollments in the 20,000-25,000 range may not have prevented a single Covid hospitalisation with booster mandates.

Not one.

Assuming 70% of students had already contracted Covid by 2022 – an easily achievable number considering seroprevalence estimates at that time – a school with 20,000 students would also have had 14,000 with natural immunity. Meaning that at the higher end of the study’s estimates, you’d have to look through five major universities with booster mandates before finding a single avoided Covid hospitalisation.

This potentially life-changing policy, affecting millions of students and their futures, was almost entirely meaningless. And that’s only telling half the story.

‘Net Expected Harm’

Beyond the clear uselessness in terms of reducing hospitalisations, the researchers also found that there was likely a “net expected harm” from mandates thanks to the often-ignored vaccine side-effects.

Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per [COVID]-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade 3 or higher reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities.

Effectively, for every 22,000-30,000 students subjected to booster mandates, there could be as many as nearly 100 serious adverse events. And one prevented hospitalisation.

Not to mention quite literally thousands of side-effects that could interfere with “daily activities”.

So in order to possibly prevent one hospitalisation among tens of thousands of students, colleges and universities essentially subjected young adults, especially men, to a risk of serious adverse effects that was 18 times to 98 times higher.

A graphic from the study indicates how significant the gap between benefits and harms is in practice.

If you’re wondering how that makes any sense, I can assure you that it doesn’t. And again, these risk-benefit ratios fail to factor in the prevalence of natural immunity among young people. As the researchers point out, this obvious but purposefully ignored reality makes this policy even more inexcusable.

“Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable,” the authors write. That makes the entire policy “unethical”, meaning that those impacted by it are more likely to be harmed by the intervention than helped.

University booster mandates are unethical because: 1) no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group; 2) vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people; 3) mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission; 4) U.S. mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and 5) mandates create wider social harms.

Quite literally, there is a “net expected harm” for individual young people that were coerced into getting boosted rather than see their educational careers destroyed or futures derailed.

The very “experts” and administrators who admonished critics with endless appeals to authority, claiming that they were “following the science” while detractors were “anti-science” extremists, likely caused a net harm to thousands, if not millions of their students.

Booster mandates were unnecessary, unethical and harmful, with vanishingly small benefits and massive increases in risk. Many schools have quietly dropped their policies and mandates without acknowledging the harm they caused. But that doesn’t make it any less real, or any less inexcusable.

The actual science said they were wrong. Yet as has been so often the case during Covid policy debates, the actual science took a back seat to panic, fear, malicious coercion and inexcusable ignorance.

Ian Miller is the author of Unmasked: The Global Failure of Covid Mask Mandates. He writes a Substack newsletter, where this article first appeared. It was also published by the Brownstone Institute.

Tags: COVID-19Side-effectsUnited StatesUniversityVaccineVaccine Mandate

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    2 years ago

    Hmmm, let’s just focus on the final paragraph. So looking at all of the countries that just so happened to enforce the same/similar restrictions on their citizens, that is an awful lot of so-called professionals who have ”absolutely no idea what they’re doing or what the purposes of their restrictions even are.”

    I 100% disagree with the author’s observations and conclusion, and he doesn’t seem to cover why he thinks Sweden was an outlier. I guess their politicians were just better at their job over there…? Please..

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Well you said it for me Mogs so thanks, and I concur:

    “I 100% disagree with the author’s observations and conclusion.”

    (Unless of course the planet has been invaded by aliens who decided to infect just the brains of all the WEF regional managers with an extra dose of stupidity.)

    What a load of carp.

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    Elizabeth Hart
    Elizabeth Hart
    2 years ago
    Reply to  huxleypiggles

    Agree.
    World ‘leaders’ were all singing from the same hymn book re ‘the new normal’…
    See We’re not going back to normal, published on 17 March 2020, the day after Neil Ferguson et al’s Imperial College Report 9.
    Also see We’re living in 12 Monkeys, which was on the ball astonishingly early…

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    Unutterably Pistoff
    Unutterably Pistoff
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Perhaps the link:

    https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/swedens-constitution-decides-its-exceptional-covid-19-policy

    may shed some light on the “outlier” question you raise about Sweden. Admittedly, Anders Tegnell and Johan Gieseke ran into a lot of pushback after a year or two. My guess is that Swedes, sensible as they are, were overcome by the unrelenting hysteria whipped up by politicians in the rest of the world, and succumbed to it.

    To generalise, politicians (and those they appoint to advise them) seem to be very poor judges of scientific merit. They are experts in the manipulation of public perception, to obtain power, almost regardless of the ends for which they exercise it.

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Unutterably Pistoff

    I am sure that many other governments broke their country’s laws in pursuit of covid restrictions.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    Ours certainly did.

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

    Yes I heard some convincing arguments from Lord Sumption, former UK Supreme Court Justice, that their use of the Public Health 1984 Act went against the principle that major restrictions of liberty on a national scale must be explicitly authorised by Parliament. That’s what the Civil Contingencies Act was meant to cover but that Act provided for a great deal more Parliamentary scrutiny and didn’t allow them to govern with executive orders that were only approved retrospectively.

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    stewart
    stewart
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    The author shows a complete failure of imagination.

    Why, I ask, does he think bureaucrats aren’t susceptible to being coordinated by supranational organisations like the WHO?

    Why does he not consider that politicians can be useful idiots?

    Why does he think the media unleashed a terror campaign, media that is owned and paid for by corporations?

    It wasn’t all for nothing. Pfizer and Moderna and more.impotantly their owners have introduced their mRNA technology that was formerly stuck.

    All I see in this article is fear and denial that the world is run by dangerous and corrupt plutocrats.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    And what about the author?

    I thought this Eugyppius was supposed to be the dog’s danglers amongst substackers. Not off this effort that’s for sure.

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    RTSC
    RTSC
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Sweden is not in the G20. So it was outside the plan and they didn’t think for one minute that a country like Sweden would “go it alone.”

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    Lockdown Sceptic
    Lockdown Sceptic
    2 years ago

    In March 2020 Freedom died suddenly. 2 years of lockdowns. How was that just stupidity? Those who imposed the lockdowns were the ones stoking the fear.

    Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte started locking down with the town Codogno, then the rest of Lombardy, then the whole of Italy to prove to the world it could be done.

    Without any evidence that lockdowns worked the rest of the world realised that they could end our freedoms immediately .

    Stand in the Park Make friends & keep sane 

    Sundays 10.30am to 11.30am
    Elms Field 
    near Everyman Cinema & play area
    Wokingham RG40 2FE

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago

    All leaders everywhere were simultaneously unboundedly stupid, independently, and all of their advisers, experts and every powerful national and global institution on the planet reached the same conclusion about what to do and how to do it, all at the same time, independently. Ok. This sounds as crazy as any “conspiracy theory”.

    “Since the very beginnings of this plague chronicle, I’ve said that lockdowns flowed directly from China, through the WHO, to the West, where they rapidly became a self-reinforcing phenomenon in their own right. They were driven by autonomous political and institutional forces rather than nebulous globalist conspirators, ” So what is the WHO if it’s not a non-nebulous global conspirator. Who funds the WHO?

    What about the close ties between Big Pharma and “Public Health”? All above board? Nothing global or conspiratorial there? Suppression of alternative treatments?

    A few silly texts from a minor player in the big machine, who is almost certainly a useful idiot and now a useful scapegoat, and everyone’s convinced that’s it, that there is nothing else to see?

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    I also struggle to believe that high levels of the USA state do not know a lot more about all of this than they are letting on.

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    NeilParkin
    NeilParkin
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    I suspect quite a few don’t want to go the way of Epstein. There are some very powerful hands behind this scam, and the stakes are high.

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    And just a coincidence that covid folly and evil fits well with net zero, digital currencies, digital id, control through fear. HMG did not “react” – they deliberately CREATED fear by spending big money on covid advertising. Why would they do that?

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    The author seems to conjure up an image of politicians and their advisors all running around like hapless, headless chickens. Suddenly they have no authority, intelligence or autonomy and have been reduced to idiotic pawns. So what made the likes of Sweden or South Dakota not go full-on authoritarian Chicken Licken then??? Strange viewpoint and way to end an article if you ask me..

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Indeed. It seems like a gross oversimplification to me, much like the favourite straw man raised by those who like to dismiss “conspiracy theories” – the Bond villain stroking a cat and directing operations from his lair. Of course a lot of politicians are fairly incompetent, but that doesn’t mean they are not evil and it doesn’t mean there were no conspiracies. I don’t think anyone’s saying there’s a single conspiracy and a single set of conspirators, or that there was no opportunism from anyone.
    How anyone can believe there was no-one with a hidden agenda and no off the record conversations is beyond me – and that’s all you need for it to be a conspiracy.

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    transmissionofflame
    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    Lying in cahoots with others to over up your mistakes is also a conspiracy.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    Well, I am going to stick my neck out – I believe this whole shebang has been centrally organised and run. There definitely is a single set of conspirators and the ‘plan’ is Agenda 2030.

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  huxleypiggles

    It’s certainly plausible that there was a catalysing group and set of actions that triggered things – but sadly the conditions for it were ripe. I don’t think it’s plausible that they could control everything but probably they didn’t really need to.

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    2 years ago
    Reply to  huxleypiggles

    Totally. If you haven’t already read it, this article does a good job of summing up what’s happening. Yes, it’s all Agenda 2030. It refers to America but it is applicable everywhere;

    ”In recent years we have seen these oligarchs expand their influence from markets, finance and trade to politics, social issues and even public health. What we’d like to know is to what extent this group is actively involved in the shaping of other events that are aimed at transforming the American Republic into a more authoritarian system?

    In other words, are the mandated injections, the forced lockdowns, the aggressive government-implemented censorship, the dubious presidential elections, the burning of food processing plants, the derailing of trains, the attacks on the power grid, the BLM-Antifa riots, the drag queen shows for schoolchildren, the maniacal focus on gender issues, and glitzy public show-trials merely random incidents occurring spontaneously during a period of great social change or are they, in fact, evidence of a stealthily orchestrated operation conducted by agents of the state acting on behalf of their elite benefactors?”

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-plan-to-wreck-america/

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Mogwai

    Thanks for the ‘stack Mogs – another belter.

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    Boomer Bloke
    Boomer Bloke
    2 years ago

    There is a lot in there to ponder, but sadly the conspiracy theorist in me still wants to see an explanation for the lockstep of the European and English speaking nations. However, history has already shown that “noted virus lunatic Nicola Sturgeon” is possessed by a lunacy that goes well beyond the virus.

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    ellie-em
    ellie-em
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Boomer Bloke

    There you go.

    https://institute.global/institute/our-response-covid-19-timeline

    Tony Blair Institute for global change was ‘advising’ and “equipping global leaders to confront the covid-19 crisis”!

    What would the world be like without that meddlesome war monger? A far better place for all, methinks.

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    DomH75
    DomH75
    2 years ago

    Just because politicians were stupid and mendacious and panicked doesn’t mean there weren’t sinister forces looking to make vast amounts of money and get ever more power for their entities.

    The WEF connections of the die-hard lockdown politicians and the businessmen who profited off the lockdowns, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’s reporting team run by the Telegraph, the huge access Big Pharma gained to the corridors of power, allowing them the biggest experimental testing lab and ‘Petri dish’ since Mengele and the concentration camps of the 1940s, the social scientists who got to study billions of people’s reactions as if they were lab rats in a maze, extremists taking the opportunity to restructure our society ‘under the bonnet’ while it was off the road, from widened pavements to traffic diversions, to engineered food scarcity to fuel scarcity to Bill Gates quietly becoming the largest farmland owner in the USA…

    Sorry, but this isn’t a binary incompetence vs conspiracy issue: this involves both. At the root of it is governments that are too big with too many compromising ties to Big Business and too many supranational organisations pretending to be good when they’re power-mad utopians. The lockdowns unleashed dark forces: the genie will never be put back in the bottle.

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    Chris P
    Chris P
    2 years ago

    No mention of the Great Reset inspired Build Back Better mantra mysteriously adopted by leaders all over the globe at the same time.

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    DomH75
    DomH75
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Chris P

    Yes, exactly: panicked, flailing, incompetent politicians grabbing on to a life raft created by utopian conspirators using an exaggerated ’emergency’ to gain more power. I don’t understand why it has to be a binary conspiracy vs incompetence situation.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Chris P

    Ah yes, where did ‘Build Back Better’ go?

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  huxleypiggles

    Cover for the dystopian reset in favour of the cabal & the military medical industrial complex which is driving the agenda.

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    Castorp
    Castorp
    2 years ago

    Yet another piece of respectable, yet totally non-credible argumentation about the pandemic not having been planned.

    I will repeat my question to those who argue this line:

    If this was not planned in advance, please explain to me how it is possible that Moderna took out a US patent on a key part of SARS-COV-2 in .. 2016.

    Below is the peer-reviewed, published scientific paper that proves this:
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

    Quote
    A BLAST search for the 12-nucleotide insertion led us to a 100% reverse match in a proprietary sequence (SEQ ID11652, nt 2751-2733) found in the US patent 9,587,003 filed on Feb. 4, 2016

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    Mogwai
    Mogwai
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Castorp

    I saw no mention of the prophetic Event 201 either, nor the fact Covid tests were shipped to various countries back in 2017/18 ( so why was it called ”Covid-19” then?? ). So many examples of evidence demonstrating this was all pre-planned.

    https://docbrown77.substack.com/p/why-was-wits-exporting-covid-19-test

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    transmissionofflame
    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago

    Matt Hancock has a first from Oxford. I think he’s dumb in the sense that he has made some questionable decisions that make him look bad, but he’s of well above average IQ. I know a lot of people are going to say that having a degree or high IQ doesn’t make you “intelligent”, but I think calling him “dumb” is not credible. He certainly seems reckless, which is a form of stupidity, but if you’re being reckless with other people’s lives, that is a little beyond dumb and verging on evil.

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    DomH75
    DomH75
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    As is often said of experts, they can be incredibly good at one thing and terrible at everything else. Hancock has a PPE degree, as I recall, though, which is a far-too-general degree that is basically a party entry exam for wannabe career politicians.

    My ex-flatmate – lovely, lovely bloke – has a doctorate: he’s got degrees in mathematics, nuclear physics and chemical engineering. He also (I kid you not!) phoned me ten times at my Great Aunt’s 90th birthday party to ask how to change the bathroom’s bayonet lightbulb! He thought the milk had been tampered with when Sainsbury’s changed the tops on the cartons! He now works in a nuclear power station doing computer modelling to improve reactor efficiency! I’d probably trust him to that. I wouldn’t trust him to cook my lunch! 😀

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    Reply to  DomH75

    I’m familiar with this phenomenon and would not ask Hancock to change a lightbulb for me but he’s quite capable of evaluating evidence from experts. The problem is that he doesn’t want to because he is arrogant and/or lazy and/or evil and/or following someone else’s agenda. Nothing to do with “stupidity”.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    He’s not capable of evaluating the scientific evidence because he hasn’t a clue how to critically appraise the validity of a research paper.
    Andrew Bridgen MP has stated that this is a big problem in the House of Commons as very few MPs understand science, they just accepted what they were told. Andrew has a BSc & once he got to see the hard data rather than the headline data, that was when he started to speak out. Though some MPs like Charles Walker were speaking out from the start because they understood the Constitutional freedoms that were being trashed.

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    2 years ago
    Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

    Sorry, I don’t buy that. My scientific education stopped at O Levels but I am quite capable of looking at the kind of evidence we’ve seen around covid and evaluating it. It’s lack of interest, laziness, evil intentions, prioritising political expediency over truth that is the problem, not lack of ability. Most of the medical and scientific establishment endorsed the covid folly and evil – in fact a lot of the establishment were responsible for pushing it. They certainly do not lack qualifications. What they lack is character, honesty, integrity, courage.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    I’m repeating what Andrew Bridgen said to our meeting in late December 2022. He spoke with his colleagues who demonstrated no ability to interpret the scientific research, there are a lot of folk like you are blessed with healthy dose of common sense & used your bullshit antenna to see through it all. A lot of academically bright folk have zero common sense but are too arrogant to realise & defer to researchers who have these abilities to do the necessary work on their behalf.
    The other issue for all MPs is that the documents were only distributed very shortly before the debate & vote took place in the House giving the MPs bugger all time (his words) to skim let alone read, evaluate & digest the implications of.
    Also all of the above points you make hold.

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    2 years ago
    Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

    Indeed, though I still think that it’s not so much common sense as a combination of willingness/desire to want to understand something and a default position of scepticism rather than believing or wanting to believe the first thing you are told.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    Amazing how much clarity & light can be shed on an issue when folk communicate & listen!
    BB

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    DevonBlueBoy
    DevonBlueBoy
    2 years ago
    Reply to  transmissionofflame

    Having a high IQ allows you to get a degree. What Hancock lacks is Emotional Intelligence.

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    transmissionofflame
    2 years ago
    Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

    Yes up to a point

    He has managed to go far in his chosen career, stay out of prison etc so he is or was on top of things in his life sufficiently to do that/ just got drunk on power and arrogance and carelessness was his partial downfall

    Calling him dumb just doesn’t seem plausible to me

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    Arborvitae23
    Arborvitae23
    2 years ago

    Don’t you just love autocorrect 🤣

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    Arborvitae23
    Arborvitae23
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Arborvitae23

    My husbands response is “And we let these “psychotherapists” run the country!”

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    For a fist full of roubles
    For a fist full of roubles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Arborvitae23

    They are both mis-spellings. It should be “pyschartists”.

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    amanuensis
    amanuensis
    2 years ago

    It is just so difficult to tell.

    I know! Lets publish the private messages between the WEF, WHO and worldwide governments (and when it comes to the vaccines, also include the pharma companies).

    Oh, that’s right. We’ll never see them.

    Just as we won’t see the private messages from others in government and the civil service during the Covid years. We’ve even got the crazy position where the Covid inquiry has been passed the private messages of Hancock, but they’re still not getting access to the private messages of anyone else (which have probably all been deleted by now).

    It may or may not be a global conspiracy, but those in charge are doing everything possible to ensure that there’s no discussion of any centralised aspect to the worldwide Covid response.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  amanuensis

    Exactly. TPTB are deliberately trying to funnel our thinking. So, of all the hundreds involved in the UK debacle it’s all boiling down to Midazolam Mat?

    Yeah right.

    Summat’s about to happen.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  huxleypiggles

    This comment on an article about Midazolam Matt is interesting…. The fact that he’s asking for amnesty shows that he’s worried.

    “This is a good sign. He’s on the ropes. You don’t ask for immunity if you are not guilty.”

    https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/health/hancock-lawyers-immunity-covid-prosecution-26391476

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

    Oh I do hope Midazolam is sweating and having sleepless nights.

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    john1T
    john1T
    2 years ago
    Reply to  amanuensis

    The most incriminating interactions will have been by phone if they have any sense. That’s what I would do.

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    artfelix
    artfelix
    2 years ago

    Again – the government was ultimately not the one driving this. Yes they were incompetent but it’s that very incompetence that made them so useful to the very real and very dangerous conspirators who ultimately drove this. If you own the media you can drive public opinion and if you can drive public opinion you can drive government, especially weak government. If you the health profession, if you own The Science, you own health policy.

    Arguing this wasn’t a conspiracy while pointing at the government is literally missing the point. It’s not even noticing there is a point. A huge point, standing right behind the government you are pointing at.

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    Nicholas Britton
    Nicholas Britton
    2 years ago

    Why should political stupidity and a globalist agenda be mutually exclusive? I don’t think these files tell us anythihg about what is happening at a global level. It was not stupidity behind the mass censorship and gagging of the media around the world. It was not stupidity that caused the MHRA and other regulatory authorities to give EUA to a novel and largely untested jab that would be used indiscriminately and without proper monitoring. Personally, I’m not convinced by the blyth assurances of those sayjng it is all just a “cock up”. Too much bad stuff has happened and continues to happen globally for this to be all down to the incompetent muppets of Westminster.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Nicholas Britton

    Exactly! They want us to ‘choose’ between team A & Team B, who are both mere distractions to cover up the heinous crimes committed.

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    anbak
    anbak
    2 years ago

    Not a bad case put forward here for the ‘stupidity ‘ theory of Covid insanity.

    However, it is acknowledged early in the article that lockdowns were driven by ‘autonomous’ ‘nebulous global conspirators ‘, which obviously is what the author would prefer to assume.
    But it’s also perfectly reasonable and logical to assume that the instigators of the global hoax/putsch had done their homework in advance. That’s you and your cronies Mr Gates, with the audacity to hold your Event 201 in October 2019, just before kickoff.

    Isn’t it equally likely that the public health institutions and government adjacent government advisors (of Point 1) were already under the arm of the co-conspirators? Look at how Whitty and Vallance changed their mood music almost overnight on March 23rd 2020. Watch the footage from the time, it’s almost unbelievable. Clearly someone/something was pulling strings, or pointing them to the advantage for them personally of changing tack.

    And, of course, we must always consider the unstoppable momentum of the virtuous useful idiots of the Left.
    ‘Of all tyrannies… it would be better to live under robber barons than omnipotent busy bodies.. (who).. will torment us for our own good without end, for they do so with approval of their own conscience’ CS Lewis

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  anbak

    An excellent reminder of the start of the show. Bozo also appeared to have an overnight change of tack. Remarkable.

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    Nearhorburian
    Nearhorburian
    2 years ago

    There seems to be a conspiracy to persuade us that there wasn’t one.

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    ebygum
    ebygum
    2 years ago

    Even if for a moment I believed these people were just incompetent, (I Don’t) so what?
    If a doctor fails to do something or is incompetent and someone dies…he’s still held responsible for his actions…if a builder builds a house that falls down the next day, do we just shrug and say, just incompetence? Tra La La……,!
    When my sister in law lost her job, and thousands of NHS and other medical workers were about to loose theirs..does it matter whether it was ‘just incompetence’? When kids are being tortured in school with tests and masks…when the elderly are deprived of the love of their family in their final hours, …when businesses closed, never to re-open? Do we just shrug it off?…
    Are we genuinely going to keep this up when it comes to the Jabs? That the MHRA didn’t see the warning signs..that the JVCI didn’t know the possible harms to children?
    That it’s still just incompetence stopping them from investigating the excess deaths?
    They ignored and ‘fudged’ data for goodness sake….and still are….

    I couldn’t give a monkeys what you want to call it but I want to see the entire lot of them held responsible…even if it’s only for gross incompetence, misconduct, call it what you will, but let’s agree to put the blame where it lays and stop excusing it like they’re some mischievous bungling old uncle…it make me sick…..!!

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  ebygum

    You nailed it ebg. Thanks 👍

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    Nearhorburian
    Nearhorburian
    2 years ago

    Those who subscribe to the cock-up theory might just have a tiny chance of persuading me that they’re not, at best, gullible thirdwits if they could answer the following questions:

    1) Why were the rules changed in a way that made it possible to hugely overcount the number of covid deaths?

    2) Why weren’t doctors encouraged to use combinations of existing cheap and safe treatments?What possible downsides were there compared to telling sufferers to FO and only bother the NHS if they thought they were about to die?

    3) Why were we told to stay indoors as much as possible, when exercise in the fresh air and sunshine is really good for the health of almost everybody and you’re far less likely to catch a respiratory disease outside, which compared to the inside is essentially infinite and has a very helpful phenomenon called the wind?

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    stewart
    stewart
    2 years ago

    The WHO pandemic treaty, also just a big cock up?

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    ChrisA
    ChrisA
    2 years ago

    Yes it was just bravado and incompetence in the UK, and coincidentaly in:
    France,
    and in Germany,
    and in the US,
    Canada,
    Australia,
    Italy,
    Denmark,
    Peru,
    Brazil,
    Greece,
    Spain……….Do I have to list essentailly every country on Earth, enemy and ally alike?!!?!
    Come on Toby the machinations of some middle managers is hardly prood of anything.
    Sweden was an outlier because the politicians didn’t control Health matters. They certainly tried to take control but it was written into their constitution.

    Last edited 2 years ago by ChrisA
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    JohnK
    JohnK
    2 years ago
    Reply to  ChrisA

    And the other interesting comparison is the variations in policy between US States. Here on this side of the pond Sweden was an “outlier”, but quite a few others were as well – e.g. S Dakota, Florida and others.

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    A Y M
    A Y M
    2 years ago

    I’m getting the sense DS is getting more articles sliding towards the establishment narratives these days, from the Russia really is evil and the war is good, to the pipeline may not have been a US planned action, to the cock up vs conspiracy is now proven.

    At least the subscribers aren’t having it.

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    JayBee
    JayBee
    2 years ago

    More likely:
    https://brownstone.org/articles/how-did-all-of-this-happen/
    Advance buy-in, like with climate change.
    Plus a lot of preparation, incl. reckless zero interest rates, and THEN the other dynamics can and did take over.

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    godknowsimgood
    godknowsimgood
    2 years ago

    Talking of Matt Hancock and stupidity, watch at least the first minute and then the last minute of this interview with a very arrogant lawyer who advised Matt Hancock. It’s comedy gold:

    https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1632475157695455233

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    2 years ago
    Reply to  godknowsimgood

    Oh yes, an enjoyable clip from GB News. 👍

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    Marcus Aurelius knew
    Marcus Aurelius knew
    2 years ago

    Politicians are vain and quite stupid.

    Some powerful and rich people are corrupt megalomaniacs.

    Both are true.

    There, fixed it.

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    Martin Frost
    Martin Frost
    2 years ago

    Stupidity did have a lot to do with it but vested interest was also at work. A lot of money was made from PPE contracts and I note that after the first roll out, the vaccine developed by Oxford scientists quickly got replaced by profit making alternatives. The WHO Director-General, is an overtly political rather than a medical appointment. According to him Monkeypox is as big a global threat as Covid. He hasn’t a clue what he is talking about. As for ” the science”, much of the pro-lockdown propaganda came from fringe scientists such as modellers, and public health officials. For universities and research establishments magnifying the Covid threat attracts big bucks from prospective funders. It pays to be on message. It was ever thus.

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Martin Frost

    He also is an indicted war criminal for acts of terrorism…. He has form.

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    Freddy Boy
    Freddy Boy
    2 years ago

    The Wancock leak ! No mention of the Jabathon ! Could this be what Isabel meant when she said she could go nuclear !!..

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    RTSC
    RTSC
    2 years ago

    Yes, our politicians are thick, cowardly, authoritarian and they thoroughly enjoyed bullying and terrifying “the little people.”

    But that doesn’t mean there wasn’t a conspiracy. It just wasn’t created by these politicians; it was planned at far higher Globalist pay-grades than theirs. They simply implemented the policies, whether they were aware of the long-term plans or not.

    Schwab “The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world”

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    Epi
    Epi
    2 years ago

    Why was there a worldwide coordinated prohibition on alternative medicines like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, well known for helping relieve/cure respiratory ailments?

    Nothing to see here?

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    JohnK
    JohnK
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Epi

    Money. A more complex rationale is that the granting of Emergency Use Authorisation depended on the absence of various items such as those you mentioned, on the drugs side of the trade.

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    ellie-em
    ellie-em
    2 years ago

    I prefer Igor Chudov’s viewpoint.

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/creepy-conspiratorial-globalists

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    BurlingtonBertie
    BurlingtonBertie
    2 years ago

    Another comment from Lawyers of Light

    “This is actually a very decent article pointing out some of the laws the Govt flouted during the last 3 years. 

    It makes the point that the Courts enabled this.

    It drives home that the Civil Contingencies Act was perfectly fine to deal with things but not adopted as it would have throttled the ego maniacs being enabled by the globalists. 

    On this latter point I blame all MPs for this. They ALL should have known the CCA was perfectly adequate and not voted for the CV Act. They should have refused to allow any of the Health Regs to be drawn from the 1984 Public Health Act. They utterly failed at their job of holding the govt to account over these things as a result of their own fear campaign, no doubt. Which only serves to bolster my belief that virtually none of them do any independent research or have any independent thought. They just follow the party whip. Rather like good little sheep.”

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hancock-circus-masks-johnsons-affront-to-democracy/

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    Kornea112
    Kornea112
    2 years ago

    So it was China that gave the push that started this disaster rolling down the hill! There never was any need for Gates to travel around the western countries visiting heads of states and mayor’s of major cities, no need of US CDC and WHO to rewrite what a vaccine is nor to outlaw the use of therapeutics, no need for Pfizer to hire over 200 extra lobbyists to influence governments push for a single Vax solution, no need for all the computer models telling everyone millions will die and although it was US based public health and bioweapons funding gain of function for the covid virus, it was China that released it. Are we really supposed to buy this gross oversimplification? I guess they think people really are stupid.

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    LaptopMaestro
    LaptopMaestro
    2 years ago

    So political leaders across the globe were all stupid in the same way?

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    welshsceptic
    welshsceptic
    2 years ago

    I think Eugyppius has been broadly correct from the start in his Team Toby-type analyses of the covid nightmare, including this article on DS yesterday (and even though I tend to disagree with him when he wanders off into other subjects).

    In fact, it’s well worth reading Eugyppius’ follow-up article today on his own Substack where he pushes back against Team James-type objections to this piece:

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/punctuated-emergence-or-a-further

    He also helpfully links to two detailed useful discussions from some time ago.

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    Michael D. Killick
    Michael D. Killick
    2 years ago

    The author of this article is not in a position to assert that any of his opinions can be proven. Everything he has described about the actions of policy makers is purely circumstantial. And, as the saying goes, ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.’

    If there indeed are those who conspired to act as they did, then they were not going to publish a full page spread in the New York Times announcing what they had in mind.

    On the other hand, they might just write a book and call it – oh, I don’t know – let’s call it ‘The Great Reset’.

    Or they might just do as Dr Naomi Wolf described in her book ‘Covid-19 and the War on the Human’, which is to say that they forced all restaurants to close – in New York, if I remember correctly – many or most of which were family-run businesses, but allowed Macdonalds to stay open.

    Also mentioned in Wolf’s book is that the Canadian Deputy PM was on the board of trustees of the WEF. Information like that, and the apparently orchestrated destruction of the middle class, alluded to in the previous paragraph, cannot be brushed aside by taking 2 + 2 and getting whatever you want to go after the = sign.

    Of course, I could go on with countless other examples, but I simply don’t have the time.

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    Michael D. Killick
    Michael D. Killick
    2 years ago

    Sorry, a quick correction to my comment just below this one, which, at the time of writing, is awaiting moderation.

    The title of Wolf’s book is: ‘The Bodies of Others: The New Authoritarians, COVID-19 and The War Against the Human’.

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