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“I’m a Public Health Fascist”: Journalist Who Led Calls for Lockdown Publishes Book Demanding We Prepare to Do it All Again But Harder (So it Works This Time)

by Jeffrey A. Tucker
20 January 2024 3:00 PM

Do you think we need a Pentagon for public health to wage war on new pathogens? Not likely, and that is based on recent experience. The pandemic planners wrecked our lives. We have yet to recover.

Cities are still suffering from business closures, learning losses and school absenteeism, and rampant crime. Trust in once-revered institutions is at an all-time low, as is public health generally (depression, obesity and substance abuse). We could go on and on. 

One man thinks the problem is that we didn’t go far enough. Next time, he says, we should go much farther in locking down. No travel. Jail doctors for dissenting. Force everyone to accept whatever pharma dishes out. Censor all critics. Nonprofits who object should be targeted by the IRS. All dissenters should face “severe consequences”.

That’s because “the Western focus on personal liberty above all else can kill”. You might say that sounds fascistic. He admits it too: “The longer I cover disease, the more of a public health fascist I become.”

And that sentence is what is weirdly wonderful (if chilling) about the book The Wisdom of Plagues by Donald G. McNeil. As outrageously wrong as the book is about nearly everything, it is brilliantly written, engaging, gripping and frank. It’s his way, and it is probably why he was fired from the New York Times. This is his apologia pro vita sua. 

You see, McNeil was the very first English-language voice who on February 27th 2020, in a NYT podcast, alerted the whole of the Western media as to what was coming: lockdown. 

It was not so much a warning but a promise. The public health wisdom of one 100 years was about to be tossed in the fire. In its place would come a new experiment in totalitarian control of our lives. 

It was McNeil who penned the February 28th 2020, article ‘To Take on the Coronavirus, Go Medieval On It‘. Suffice it to say that he bears a great deal of responsibility for what happened, given his status and position.

Now of course he repudiates everything the U.S. did on grounds that we only had a soft lockdown. China did it the right way with its “airtight lockdown” but even the Chinese later sold out the great cause, for which our author criticises the CCP. 

To his mind, when there is a virus on the loose, we need a full end to human volition until government can “roll out a vaccine or find a cure. In the meantime, you must educate your populace, gain their trust, and get as much support as you can for measures that will save lives — even if you ultimately have to impose them by fiat.”

If you want the short version of the book, he has written it in a New York Post article: ‘The U.S. needs a “Pentagon” for diseases‘. “I generally back ironfisted responses to epidemics,” he writes. 

Here is a man who very nearly tasted the power that comes with running the world. He was extremely close to all of it, pen pals with Anthony Fauci, and the Walter Duranty of virus control at the New York Times, the world’s most influential media voice. The experience has plainly made him crazy. 

It’s true that everybody wants to rule the world, but he is an unusual person who came very close. We notice that his book nowhere mentions Sweden, which went on with daily life while eschewing the global virus control machinery at every turn, and with excellent results. He cannot stand to think of that so it has disappeared from his mind. 

Let’s save a full critique for some other time. In many ways, it’s already been written: Fear of a Microbial Planet by Steve Templeton. Just read that. I wish our author would, not that this would change his mind. 

That aside, he is an experienced journalist who was there all along and he does dollop out a few interesting pieces. 

For nearly four years, I’ve been curious about who spoke to him to give him the green light to whip up the nation into a disease frenzy. How did it come to be that the NYT let him? Here he spills the beans. 

Then on February 24th [2020], the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 1,000 points, the first lurch in what would ultimately be a 30% drop. President Trump responded with a tweet: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC and World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock market starting to look very good to me!”

The next day, in a phone call with reporters, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the CDC’s Chief of Respiratory Diseases, effectively contradicted him, saying a major outbreak in the United States was “not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather a question of exactly when this will happen, and how many people in this country will have severe illness”. She suggested that Americans “start thinking about” how they would cope if their schools and businesses closed, gatherings were canceled, and travel was limited. The markets tumbled further, enraging the President. 

On February 27th, prompted by Dr. Messonnier’s words and the shaky markets, Michael Barbaro invited me onto his podcast, The Daily. He began by asking how many epidemics I had covered and how bad I thought this one could be.

So there we have our answer. It was the CDC’s own Nancy Messonier. She was in touch with Anthony Fauci and he with McNeil, as we know from emails. So the entire apparatus of how the administrative state undermined the Trump administration during this period is right there in black and white. 

Actually, even 10 days earlier, Dr. Messonnier was already holding phone calls with the media that contradicted everything the Trump administration was saying. On February 12th 2020 she told the media as follows: “The goal of the measures we have taken to date are to slow the introduction and impact of this disease in the United States but at some point, we are likely to see community spread in the U.S. or other countries and this will trigger a change in our response strategy.”

McNeil was right there all along. It’s a fascinating case of how administrative agencies dictate the news. In McNeil’s own telling, the NYT was not willing to let him go to print with his alarmism and panic until he had confirmation that it was on target from the CDC and Fauci. He obtained that, and then went straight to podcasting and print. It was a done deal at that point.

So the great question of who started this whole fiasco is thus answered in the most obvious way possible: it was the CDC and Fauci. To be sure, you could say that they had their marching orders too but that layer of the onion is yet waiting for full documentation.

Now, who is this Dr. Messonier? She left the CDC in 2021, said to be pushed out by incoming CDC director Rochelle Walensky for reasons we do not know. Messonier landed at the Skoll Foundation as the Executive Director for Pandemic Prevention and Health Systems. 

Her brother is Rod Rosenstein, a former United States Deputy Attorney General who two years earlier (2017) wrote the letter that President Trump used as a reason to fire James Comey as FBI Director. Rosenstein clearly did not want to do this but he did it anyway, and probably deeply regretted the attention he got for it. 

What is the connection between the CDC’s push for lockdown and the firing of the director of the FBI? I do not know. Is there one? Probably. Certainly people in February 2020 thought there might be.

And McNeil himself offers an interesting little clue in this paragraph:

The CDC Director should not change with every new administration… It leads to craven silence from the Director when the President claims a pandemic will just ‘fade away.’ As with the FBI, the Director should come from within the ranks and serve a fixed term.

Oh but surely it is merely a coincidence that McNeil analogises the CDC to the FBI Director with the claim that neither should be subject to firing by the President? Maybe. It’s still uncanny. 

Keep in mind that all this swirling around to warm up the press corps to lockdowns took place during and after the US/UK/EU junket to China from February 16th-24th. Top bureaucrats were shown around Wuhan and told how great the CDC handled the virus. The WHO wrote a glowing report, and the rest was history. 

The Trump administration did not come around to an ‘all-of-Government’ approach until March 10th, by which time the whole of the national media and administrative state was raring to go. As a friend put it, Trump was boxed in from all sides: his own agencies, national media, Big Tech and essentially everyone who mattered. Why he has refused to admit this is also a mystery.

Finally, there are a crucial few weeks completely missing from McNeil’s narrative history: the days between his podcast of March 11th 2020, and the lockdown orders themselves. He references the lockdown only in passive voice: businesses were closed, events were cancelled and so on. Those are the exact days on which we should be focused because that’s when the world was wrecked by the public health bureaucrats for whom he carried water.

Otherwise, there is a peculiar way in which we should be grateful for McNeil’s strangely blunt book. It’s a map for what is very likely in store for us courtesy of the ‘pandemic planning’ industry. Read it and weep. Or read it and resist.

Jeffrey A. Tucker is Founder and President of the Brownstone Institute, where this article first appeared.

Tags: Anthony FauciCDCCOVID-19LockdownNew York TimesTotalitarianismUnited States

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Tough. Now heal some punters of real diseases.

(Sorry, forgot – you’re Paperclips.)

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

HI! It looks like you want to over-react to a mild cold!

/Clippy

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I thought Clippy was retired in 2007. Not so his less useful human NHS counterparts!

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

75% of senior staff in England… should be fired.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

That would be 86% of all staff, though!

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Post-colonialism in the “mother country” 🙂

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

75% of the senior NHS staff in England have exactly 0% of a business telling the general population what to do. Their job is to run the NHS to help people who need medical help and not act as unelected political directorate.

And should also keep in mind that these people weren’t asked to de-prioritse unimportant stuff like operate people so that they don’t become blind because of cataracts, they did so proactively and against the wishes of government because they believed hospitals might otherwise not be able to handle the enormous influx of COVID patients which keeps failing to materialize since 2020.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

There is no way they should be allowed to call themselves “professionals” because professionals act on their clients’ instructions.

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Sinor
Sinor
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Mattress moisteners all

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

The oldest profession in the world has higher moral standards than “NHS professionals”

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

I live in Thailand and I can tell you yhst for slot of the girls that is true

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Far easier for these idiots to cry wolf rather than do the job they’re paid excessive sums of taxpayers money to do – manage their organisations to provide heath care, as opposed to appointing diversity matrons

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

And very tidily put.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

100%!

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sskinner
sskinner
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Including Diversity and Inclusion ‘officers’.

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Star
Star
3 years ago

“Thanks for your input, NHS bosses.
We put the same question to the body that represents NHS patients.”

And then I woke up.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago

Tell these people that covid isolation time will only be paid at the statutory rate and watch how they change their minds

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

You’re missing an important point here. Most of these NHS “senior staff” may as well be in permanent self-isolation, as they are almost certainly taking their own advice and working from home. (This is certainly the case in the NHS Trust hospital where my wife works.)

As such, it’s very much in their interests to extend the “emergency culture” for as long as they practically can, because, when it ends, these same people will have to justify how they can claim to be in leadership positions when they remain hunkered down, consciously avoiding meeting or sharing the working conditions of many of their own staff.

At the same time, the staff actually working on site at my wife’s hospital are doing do in extremely (and unnecessarily) trying circumstances, wearing masks throughout the working day and covering for the tasks normally undertaken by the many colleagues who are still being encouraged to work from home. The whole situation is beyond parody.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

My daughter phoned to book an audiology test for her 3 year old today, was told only 1 adult, no siblings can attend and adult must wear a mask, my daughter replied “but I’m exempt”….
“we have some very vulnerable staff so you will have to wear one”…
“why do your staffs vulnerabilities override my exemption?”….
“your appointment will be on…”

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

“we have some very vulnerable staff…”

That is presumably the 75% that are obese. The ones that present more likelihood of putting pressure on the NHS from self-inflicted co-morbidities than healthy unvaccinated would if they get covid. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Health Fascism – as this is the planned future, people had better get used to it. ( See Telegraph World Health Team for details…they seem to have Old Bill’s Ear)

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Catee

According to face mask legislation, the ‘reasonable excuse’ for not wearing a face covering is absolute, not conditional. Risk transfer is also not permitted under any H&S legislation.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

Not so much missing the point as highlighting it, I’d have thought. I inferred it to mean that the NHS shirkers would get back to “work” if their own extended Netflix binges were paid at statutory minimum rates.

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I didn’t mean to contradict you. I was just explaining more about the background to these “senior staff”. The remuneration of managers in all bureacracies is linked closely to the number of staff that they manage. However, because of the perceived “Covid-emergency”, these lucky people have been spared the chore of actually running their own departments. For the little management they’ve actually had to do, they may as well have been put onto minimum wage!

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

No, I agree with you more than you agree with me!

I imagine most of us here will have formed much the same view about the Chief Wardens of the Holy Church of NHS.

The chap next door’s son-in-law is an NHS “administrator” and has been “working” from home for the past 2 years – he skipped out early doors, claiming immune deficiency, and has never been back since.

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Watney
Watney
3 years ago

“And that does mean the protections we’ve enjoyed over the last few months, that they all should be reviewed”
I didn’t enjoy any of the “protections”!

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  Watney

Correction:
“And that does mean the protections we’ve enjoyed imposing on a supine population over the last few months…”

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Watney

It’s just that they’re spelling ‘restrictions’ differently, so as to make them more cuddly.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago

One of the biggest improvements Boris could make would be to scrap 75% of the senior NHS staff. Would anybody notice the difference if he did?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Patients would notice the improvement more if 100% were given p45s

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Not even 95%.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Make redundant any staff with qualifications in ‘Agile’, ‘Scrum’ or any of the other ‘management methodologies’ and things would probably improve drastically.

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D B
D B
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Aw bugger you’ve just lost me my job!

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Alternatively, for a smaller cull but with precision impact, fire anyone who has ever had a Common Purpose Training course.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Or a diversity awareness workshop

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Or just break up the NHS.
UK society has been treated like an instrument that serves the NHS.
When the population serves the institution rather than the other way around, it’s time for that institution to go.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The more one learns about the structure of “The NHS”, the more it looks like an Alice in Wonderland chapter. It may appear to be monolithic, but it is not. Much more complex than many normal commercial organisations. Partnerships that trade as parts of “the NHS”, some of which do private work on the side, and of course some senior staff work part time for “the NHS” and also for private hospitals that happen to be right next door. Not many private firms allow their employees to split their time between themselves and the competition, but that happens between NHS and private hospitals. Of course, some of the “NHS” ones really are private, being rented out to the “NHS” under the private finance initiative scheme.

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Bellingcat
Bellingcat
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

The NHS in 1950 functioned on 10% (in today’s money) of the NHS’s budget, had 10 times as many beds, and no staffing problems. Of course, it didn’t have to pay for all the wonder drugs available now – maybe that’s a good thing, as most drugs offer maybe 5% improvement in outcomes or none at all.

https://www.drivenbyhealth.co.uk/other-news/10-charts-that-show-why-the-nhs-is-in-trouble/
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/no-evidence-of-added-benefit-for-most-new-drugs-say-researchers/

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

The percentage of the NHS budget accounted for by drugs is the same as it was in the 1960s. However the amount taken up by salaries of admin roles is much higher.

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Mybodymyfuckingchoice
Mybodymyfuckingchoice
3 years ago
Reply to  Bellingcat

Thanks for these links. Very interesting analysis and data 👍

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago

In other news, turkeys are still not voting for Christmas…

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RW
RW
3 years ago

As yesterday: A group of charities representing … who keep asserting that special measure are needed for Sars-CoV2 because other possibly lethal pathogens simply don’t exist on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that nobody ever died because of AIDS, urgently need to shut up.

One should also consider examining the bank accounts of the spokespeople making these ludicrious claims for financial transactions from China or other interested parties,

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Afterthrought: Since when to charities represent anyone? Aren’t these just private organizations collecting donations (and possibly, also government money) to spend it on things someone considers to be charitable?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

“charities” are merely the tax dodge sector now.

Lots of the “donations” are taxpayers extorted cash and most of the “work” is “raising awareness” by woke adverts in MSM pet liners or on legacy TV.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

“Charities” or “New World Order” fund raisers?

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago

“A group of charities representing the 500,000 people in the UK with impaired immune systems have also called for free Covid testing to remain.”

But, but, teh vaccines!

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D B
D B
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

They’re going to be a pretty powerful body (no pun intended) now they’ll have about 55million new members.

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Watney
Watney
3 years ago

“He said not enough was yet known about how much long-term protection vaccines provided”
Assume none or worse and you won’t be far off

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Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
3 years ago

I am not perticularly clear on this. Are these the administrative bosses or the clinical bosses? If they are the admin folks (which I assume they are) then you would think they knew how to be able to understand statistics. The trend in Covid outcomes has been dropping dramatically in the last 3 weeks and the worry about dangerous future variants is baseless fantasy.

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Watney
Watney
3 years ago
Reply to  Mumbo Jumbo

Yes but we have always been at war with Eastasia
All about keeping the crisis going

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

NHS bosses, in other words bureaucrats, professional paper shufflers and rule makers, who never treat a patient, but sit behind their laptops, zoom in from comfortable state paid for homes, yes I am not surprised at what they want, they have never had it so good.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Most in our parliament feel more kinship with the NHS paper shufflers than they do with you or me. Hence the continued largesse to a failing institution.

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HumanRightsForever
HumanRightsForever
3 years ago

Funny enough, university staff is also on strike this week. Looks like after two year holiday some people just don’t feel like troubling themselves with work anymore.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  HumanRightsForever

Maybe we shouldn’t trouble taxpayers by paying them?

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

They’ve thought of that one. They take the money directly from the long-suffering and short-changed students.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

I think the “uni” should only get paid when the people who did the course get a wage commensurate with a degree (i,e. more than average and more than interest plus time not worked while on course).

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

That means the Taxpayer gets to pay for all the degree qualified McDonald’s burger flippers.

No thanks. If people want to get a higher education to further their career prospects then they can damn well pay for it as far as I’m concerned.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I didnt mean that at all, I meant they have to borrow the money to fund their students degrees.
There’s no skin in the game for uni turning out tapered turdegrees.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Sceptical Steve

That’s something I agree with. It saves the Taxpayer forking out for Advanced Macramé Phd’s.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

They could probably sack the majority of bosses, the NHS has gone down hill for years

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

But they won’t; just as they never carry through on the promises to ‘streamline the civil service’.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

So now 300 Non-Jobbers (NHS management) want to maintain the misery and disruption. Is that for “safety” or as a cover for their failures?

And, ‘not enough was known about the long term protections offered by the vaccine.’ But let’s keep sticking it in to people eh? Anyway, apparently they have been a success. Upwards of 100,000 now in their graves might take issue with that.

And they also expressed the need for regular testing to continue for health staff and key workers.

Which is yet further newspeak meaning that loads of false positives will allow them to send staff home and therefore claim “we’re overwhelmed.” Also meaning that the ops previously cancelled can be cancelled once again. Covid, the gift that keeps on giving.

Followed by:

Professor Dame Helen Stokes-Lampard, who chairs the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, says the change being proposed by the Government “feels very sudden”.

A bit like initial lockdown then. Now she wants a gradual re-opening. I wonder why we didn’t try gradual lockdown?

Finally, we have a bunch of alleged do-gooders, erm charidees, screaming for useless tests to continue being funded by taxpayers.

Completely farcical. Completely Orwellian.

I’m sure I must be in a different Universe.

Love your final para Dr Jones👍

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

In the extortion-funded sector not doing something gets the same pay as doing something. but with less effort.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The only occasion when it’s acceptable for the True Believers to express doubts about the ‘effectiveness’ of the clotshots is when they are pushing for more restrictions (or to retain existing ones)!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

See the Dystopian plan for the NHS and it becomes obvious what their intentions are – has no-one read it yet?

All Management actions and crafted pronouncements are coloured by the plan and their orders to prepare for it.

The NHS are to be the “New Word Order” enforcers of the UK arm of the Health Tyranny and Vaccine imposition – individual care from a Doctor will br a thing of the past

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Spot on 👍👍

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

Bedwetters. All of them.

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A passerby
A passerby
3 years ago

Worth reading in full….

Well, certainly more words but I lost the will to live after reading Covid: which funnily enough was the first one.

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lds001
lds001
3 years ago

Oh there is a surprise – easy when you have a permanent (impossible to be fired) job and a pension – so yeah – why stress. In fact just stay home its great – while so many have no choice but to continue in insecure jobs with low pay and no pension –

All the people making these stupid decisions are not really affected – funny that isn’t it.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  lds001

They doubtless enjoy being able to afford private health care.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

The NHS is supposed to serve the public, not the other way round.

Javid talks about “the protections we’ve enjoyed” rather than “the restrictions we’ve endured”. What a warped mindset.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

The ‘protection’ we’ve damn well paid for!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

“Serve the public” ?

No longer.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

A warped mindset is the fundamental qualification for a cabinet member

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

That’s three quarters of NHS Bosses who should be handed their P45’s.

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itoldyouiwasill
itoldyouiwasill
3 years ago

I have a mate who works in NHS
He tells me there is a team head at his hospital who is band 8 (I think) on 50 or 60k minimum. Has worked from home all pandemic because his wife (lower band, still on 40k or so) is clinically vulnerable (yeh right..).
Neither are back at work. Both have jobs which, realistically, need to people facing. So between them basically creaming best part of 100k a year for sat on their idle arses all week…

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  itoldyouiwasill

And getting more and more obese so they’ll end up demanding NHS treatment to save them from their own lack of willpower

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago

They can self-isolate then, and lose pay to do it. The rest of us will do what we want

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

The moron single downvoter is present again I see.

I’ll save you the trouble of your sad existence and downvote myself.

🤣

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I have upvoted you to counteract your downvote and because you are a fellow Scot.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Some people don’t like their hobbies to be too taxing.

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The old bat
The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I reckon the ‘downvoter’ will be in trouble with his paymasters. He has been carefully placed to oppose the points of views of regular posters by writing irritating and opposing posts, but what is he doing, the lazy so and so? Just goes down the list of replies and downvotes them. Easy. No thought required. You’ll be on a charge young man/woman!

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1984imminent
1984imminent
3 years ago

Protections we’ve “enjoyed”. Pass me the sick bucket.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

Uncle Sajid knows what’s best for you.

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Nymeria
Nymeria
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

And we all know what’s good for ‘Uncle’ Sajid, don’t we.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

One of my hopes for when the truth about the so-called pandemic comes out…

  • the severity of the virus was exaggerated;
  • the pandemic response was unnecessarily draconian;
  • the measures adopted by the NHS probably killed more people than they saved;
  • the vaccines which were promoted and delivered by the NHS didn’t work and caused harm;
  • the NHS actively discouraged investigation of COVID-19 treatments and abandoned many patients in the early months of the pandemic;
  • the NHS also sent many elderly patients back to care homes when they were ill with COVID, causing their ultimate death and spreading the virus more widely;
  • many hospitals were very quiet during much of the pandemic, while people were dying or becoming ill with untreated non-COVID illnesses at home;
  • many valuable and valued NHS staff left due to the unnecessary vaccine mandate even though it was ultimately abandoned
  • GPs effectively closing their doors to their patients for long periods of time, either due to lockdown or because they were too busy earning easy money from vaccination
  • and all of the other atrocities committed over the last two years

…when all of this becomes publicly known, as it will do in time, I hope that people will finally wake up to what a disaster our NHS actually is, and the desire for wholesale reform will grow right across the political spectrum making it politically unacceptable to have “just pump more money into the NHS and do nothing else” as your party’s NHS policy.

I also hope that anyone within the NHS or the unions who were responsible for any of the above, and who attempt to block this badly needed reform will get everything they richly deserve for the damage caused to people’s lives.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I suppose turning this around a bit, my other hope for the future is that more people realise that we are all responsible for our own and our own family’s health, and we take active steps to stay fit and healthy and, be less dependent on the NHS and Big Pharma, since they are clearly not trustworthy.

Also that we, if we can, make arrangements to ensure that our elderly parents and grandparents can live independent lives at home for as long as possible, since we cannot rely on either the NHS or care homes to take good care of them.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

You know, I know and they know (deep down) that all of your points are accurate. However, I would be very surprised if the outcome of the coming enquiry isn’t exactly the opposite of most of your points. It depresses me to say that they got away with similar crimes against humanity with HIV, so they will be hoping to get away with it again. The sheep won’t be waking up, their brainwashing has become even more hardened in the narrative that the so-called vaccines saved us all.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Yes, I fear you may be right. The narrative that there was a deadly pandemic and the NHS saved us all with their vaccines, their COVID tests and their general saintliness is so deeply ingrained it would take the NHS equivalent of a frying pan to the head from a domestic abuser to make people wake up to the reality. Still, a man can dream.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Perhaps this was Dido Harding’s plan – to get everyone to hate the NHS so what was left of it could be sold off to her friends who would “see her alright”.
She and her hubby have been trying to get rid of the NHS for years.
Vote Tory – get Tory – they hate the idea of the poor having free or cheap medical treatment, that’s all there is to it.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Well, it’s all over now for the NHS – apart from its value as the hub of all personal information and surveillance reports on the population and the enforcer of Vaccine Health Passports – a tyranny dreamed up by Gates.

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

There’s no such thing as free or cheap medical treatment. Like there’s no such thing as free or cheap food, energy, transportation etc etc. This is the problem with the NHS. Ever since 1947 the UK taxpayer has been fed the lie that “The NHS is the envy of the world”. Funny that nowhere else in the world copies our approach. But it does mean that all the bureaucrats think they must be paid shed loads of money, while at the same time treating clinical staff if they are useless

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

From the boating forum this evening from the cretin who continually attacks me over my stance as regards ‘Covid’ being a scam:

“I’m glad I’m not taking the chance. But then I understand the science, including how one can have a mild illness, having had ones jabs to help protect society as well as oneself and loved ones.

Unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than fully vaccinated, data shows.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/politifact/article/unvaxxed-20-times-more-likely-covid-death-16772714.php

People Are Hiding That Their Unvaccinated Loved Ones Died of COVID
With the arrival of vaccines, compassion for COVID deaths began to dry up, sometimes replaced by scorn.

http://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/01/unvaccinated-covid-deaths-secret-grief/621269/ “

Last edited 3 years ago by Emerald Fox
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misslawbore
misslawbore
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Well said

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1984imminent
1984imminent
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Another point I’ve made before. If our much-deified NHS is the envy of the world, as the lockdown zealots keep telling us it is, why has nowhere else in the world tried to copy it?

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GimpbusterMSc
GimpbusterMSc
3 years ago

hardly a surprise given the amount of bedwetting,bullshit and drivel I’ve heard from NHS Trsut heads on the radio over the last 2 years.
It’s oh see eassy for these goons to demand more convbid bullshit of choice, they’re not acountable to anyone and never acknowledge that they’ve been disasterously out of kilter with reality these past 2 years.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  GimpbusterMSc

Which is why they’re in those jobs. Too thick and too scared to work in a real world job where if you cock up you’re out, not promoted to another NHS role elsewhere

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

I bet they don’t! I’d like to know how often they have taken advantage of the isolating rules!

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bluewoody
bluewoody
3 years ago

Let me think….. I wonder why they might want the current arrangements to continue! Ah yes – It’s just come to me!

Last edited 3 years ago by bluewoody
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Occams Pangolin Pie
Occams Pangolin Pie
3 years ago

I want doesn’t get.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

Basically: people making money out of selling ‘tests’ don’t want people to stop buying them.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

It’s more like NHS Safetyism. 17 layers of job security due to public gullibility, squared.

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Watney
Watney
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Follow the money!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Watney

Out of our pockets and into theirs!

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

I despair at the use of the word “free” as in free testing or free health care.

This is one of the root problems of our society – the lazy idea that when the government provides something it’s free.

Nothing is free. When the government gives away “free” stuff, it just means giving someone something and getting someone else in the country to pay for it. By force.

They can dress it up however they like – social responsibility, fair distribution of wealth or whatever Orwellian terms they come up with – but it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

No government anywhere, past or present, has ever had any money.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

It’s worse than that, for at least three decades “free” stuff has been dished out on the never never, not from actual tax revenue

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

Just do the jobs that you are paid (arguably, lol, too much) to do and let proper medics do theirs.
Start by actually treating patients properly ie scrap your insane in-house covid rules.
Fat chance,- Doctors are hamstrung with protocols and daren’t exercise their own discretion whilst trying to do theirs.
Even the bloody wards are ruled by the pen pushers.

Have you ever wondered why Ivermectin is never used/recommended.
Have you ever wondered why governments seem reluctant to promote healthy diets, the benefits of exercise.
No, just make sure you get tested and get jabbed.
Soon to be available, a pill that will let you eat any shit you want – without having to exercise.
Courtesy of bigpharma.

What a world.
Almost a privilege to be alive to see it.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
3 years ago

These people are ill. Mentally ill. Brainwashed by the idiot box.

Last edited 3 years ago by Andrea Salford
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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

Why do people enjoy the restrictions and silly laws? Is it because they are sadistic? Insane? Cowards?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

NHS bosses….owned by whom we ask?

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dearieme
dearieme
3 years ago

The NHS is well provided with drama queens.

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godders
godders
3 years ago

“. . . the protections we’ve enjoyed over the last few months”.

What ‘protections’?

Presumably, this unctous clown means the failed lockdowns, failed masks, failed testing ponzi scheme which have led to more deaths than claimed by the virus – assuming, in the absence of scientific proof, that the wretched tthing actually exists.

The protection we should be demanding as a matter of urgency is from the snake oil salesmen seeking to jab our children with experimental Big Pharma snake oil which the data shows is a far greater danger to them than COVID.

Javid is clearly from the same lying, self-serving mould as his execrable predecessor and, come the reckoning, must be made to pay the price for his treachery.

Last edited 3 years ago by godders
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WasSteph
WasSteph
3 years ago

“We should take a more gradual, phased approach”????

Jeez, we could barely have progressed more gradually and glacially.
Of course we all know about the vested interests of doing no work at our expense and having the Cos Covid excuse for everything.
Those of us who have hated lockdown with a passion since March 2020 and have had our mental health in the toilet need this to end decisively now.
I’ve only just stopped having sleepless nights wondering what new tyranny the mad bar stewards will inflict on us next and I won’t believe we are fully out of the woods until we have had several months of the old normal, if we ever get there.
That means no mask mandates anywhere, including medical settings and domestic flights. It means no mandatory testing to access anything including a visit to an elderly relative in a care home. It means no free tests handed out like sweeties so the panickers can keep on testing themselves at our expense.. it means no more pushing through constant ads and unsolicited texts and phone calls to get the vaccine or booster.
In short, they all need to shut the **** up, but they won’t will they?

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James Macpherson
James Macpherson
3 years ago

‘Health Secretary Sajid Javid said: “We are looking at how we learn to live with Covid. And that does mean the protections we’ve enjoyed over the last few months, that they all should be reviewed. So we’re looking at the very latest data and next week we’ll have more to say about it.”’
“enjoyed” – stupid, stupid word to use, if they want to convey want I hope they are now trying to . . .

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swedenborg
swedenborg
3 years ago

It surprised me from the beginning that the civil servants/SAGE/NHS bosses were all not held in leash at the beginning of the pandemic. This freedom of expression of different views was most likely because the gov. could not be sure how the wind was blowing. Dissident views expressed by persons could be used later on, if necessary, as a reason of sacking, reorganizing etc.
Time has come for this now. Switzerland will abandon its covid advisory board. Time to reorganize everything i.e. sack SAGE. Also a NHS reshuffle at the top so the remaining will shut up.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

I wonder who the senior people were of whom they asked the questions?
Senior ‘managers’, of course.

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Javy
Javy
3 years ago

I have friends who were chosen to take part in some kind of national Covid survey. It entails someone coming to their house on a regular basis to test them and ask questions. When I saw them a couple of days ago I tentatively asked if they’d ever thought that they might be partly responsible for prolonging the whole Covid thing. The husband scoffed and said ‘don’t care as long as they keep paying us’.

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ultraskept
ultraskept
3 years ago

Testing people without symptoms, using unreliable tests which were never designed for diagnostic purposes, is a waste of money and just another tool of propaganda.
If you feel ill, don’t go to work. Take a couple of paracetamol and lots of fluids. If really bad, go to bed and stay warm.

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Davidsb
Davidsb
3 years ago

I’m absolutely delighted! It’s so good to hear from the experts (the NHS Confederation, a group of immune system charities, etc) that these tests are FREE!

I was labouring under the delusion that we taxpayers were actually paying for them, so it’s really uplifting to hear that they are actually FREE!

We should be told the names of all these people who are supplying the raw materials and components for FREE, manufacturing the tests for FREE, shipping them from China for FREE, distributing them for FREE and processing the tests for FREE!

Or have I perhaps misunderstood?

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