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Parents Who Refuse Children Gender Change Face Seven Years in Jail in Scotland

by Will Jones
9 January 2024 7:00 PM

Parents who refuse to allow their children to change gender would face up to seven years in jail under SNP plans to ban ‘conversion therapy’. The Telegraph has more.

Proposals published on Tuesday state that actions designed to “change or suppress” another individual’s gender identity, causing them physical or psychological harm, would become illegal under the radical law.

SNP ministers acknowledged that so-called conversion practices often took place in a “family setting”, raising the prospect that parents could be criminalised if they refuse to go along with their child’s declaration that they are transgender.

Stopping someone from “dressing in a way that reflects their sexual orientation or gender identity” was put forward as an example of an action that would become illegal, even if a parent believed they were acting in a child’s best interests.

A consultation states that alongside new criminal sanctions, preemptive civil orders could be obtained against parents or religious leaders, even where conversion practices had not yet taken place.

The plans are the latest controversial measure put forward by the SNP. Critics argue the proposals would have a devastating impact on freedom of speech, privacy and family life in Scotland. …

Providers of services aimed at suppressing or changing a person’s sexual orientation or gender would be targeted, with taking someone out of Scotland to access “conversion” services also to become illegal.

A consultation stated that parents or religious leaders would not be criminalised for “expressing concerns”, “advising a child against medical interventions” or “not actively supporting” a child’s decision to dress as a member of the opposite sex.

However, it stated that when actions became “coercive” or “controlling” then the law would apply, even in cases where they were motivated by “a desire to help or protect the person”.

Those accused of conversion therapy would have a legal defence if they could show their actions were “reasonable”.

However, this would apply only in “a very small number of circumstances” such as to prevent a child “from engaging in illegal or dangerous behaviour”.

Anyone breaching a civil order, which could be obtained by social workers or activist groups on behalf of alleged victims, could face two years behind bars.

The maximum penalty for those guilty of a criminal offence would be seven years in jail, an unlimited fine, or both.

The SNP has chosen to push ahead with the law despite the damage inflicted on the party by Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial gender self-ID law, which was blocked by the U.K. Government.

A planned conversion therapy ban in England has been shelved by Rishi Sunak amid internal disagreement over what would be covered.

The Scottish Equalities Minister behind the proposals, Emma Roddick (pictured) is a 26 year-old woman who identifies as bisexual. That’s right, she was still at school in 2015. Exactly the person you’d want imposing her wacky Gen Z views on millions of people.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Conversion TherapyScotlandTransgenderismWoke Gobbledegook

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JohnK
JohnK
6 months ago

Considering the allocation of levels – deep, middle, and shallow – are the medical, & tech (incorporating engineering) organisations really shallow? Or are they actually deep in many cases? After all, most of them really supersede democracy altogether. Most people just live with them with no thought at all, in the main. In this context, the “deep state” is global, in effect, with the USA being down the pyramid a bit.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago

“unconscionable forced shots that have not only killed and wounded many but demoralised and subjugated the population”

One bit of good news regarding that is the ‘uptake’ in all vaccines is down, making it harder when they next take orders from the WHO & IHR fascism.

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JohnK
JohnK
6 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

What a surprise. Maybe they are not so good at marketing as some supposed. But yes, it is possible that the tactic used will have a negative effect.

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Curio
Curio
6 months ago

It’s too late.
Even if Trump wins, he’ll be lucky to make it to the January 2025 inauguration. Even as a President he’ll be “minded” by reps of all three levels, who have infiltrated the fake Republican Party.

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JXB
JXB
6 months ago
Reply to  Curio

And they’ve had two strikes at him already, a third might do it.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
6 months ago
Reply to  JXB

If they have a go, it will be a bomb. I pray they are unsuccessful.

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RTSC
RTSC
6 months ago
Reply to  Curio

Take him out …. and they’ll get Vance.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago

“information machine controlled only by stakeholders. I’m not making this up. This is what they say!”

I know you’re not….”We own the science and I think they should know it”…WEF. The arrogance knows no bounds. The Free World rests on Trump!

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago

 It is not the politicians elected by the voters as such but the permanent state structures that exist on three levels: shallow, middle and deep.”

Why do you think the Dems kept FRK off the ballot, that’s why he joined Trump, other times they put him on a ballot when it would benefit the Dems where he would have to instruct them to remove his name. Ah democracy! 

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

RFK FFS!

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago

“400 agencies that imagine that they are the real and permanent rulers of America.”

You mean like Whitehall

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JohnK
JohnK
6 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Yes, Minister.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago

“. We need only draw on moral intuition and what we remember (if we can) of what normal life should be like.” Yes in the old days we could plan our future!

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JXB
JXB
6 months ago

“On nationalism, I had never imagined the conditions in which that impulse would favour rather than oppose liberty…”

Nationalism like racism and far right, have been defined by the Left to convey their desired meaning to support their arguments.

Nationalism the way they mean it is more properly defined as Statism, in the model of Mussolini, and Hitler’s National Socialism – therefore tyranny and dictatorship and must be stamped out. Ironic since the Left is itself a Statist, dictatorial machine.

A Nation is built by monocultural society – shared values, morals, beliefs, manners, laws – bound by the culture, heritage, history, wider family, solidarity, unity, patriotism. Nationalism seeks to preserve this. It’s about the people. That is why it is a threat to Statism and the Left who want to get rid of National identity, destroy the concept of self-government and replace it with a global technocratic government.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
6 months ago

He’s so got to win. The alternative is unthinkable, and I don’t even live in the States. I honestly cannot wait to see that maniacal, fake-ass smile wiped off that medicated muppet’s face, as well as all the rest of the Demtard globalist sh*tmunchers reactions before their tiny, toxic brains collectively implode as they try and fail to compute what just happened, with zero fraud or bribery required in order to get there. *Touch wood I’ve not just jinxed things!*
You don’t have to like him, but even with all his faults he’s the only real chance Americans have;

”We’re right on the cusp of – yes, it’s true and not just a hyperbolic cliché – the most consequential election of our time. What can you expect on November 5th – and then beyond?
First, the election itself. As things stand now, I personally do not see how Donald Trump can lose – even factoring in what will surely be widespread attempts at voter fraud including an unknown quantity of illegal aliens who have been registered to vote by the Democrats (which is precisely the reason, of course, that they threw open the southern border for four years). The Democrats know they’re going to lose, which is why activists have already started burning ballot boxes in Washington state and Oregon (and you can expect more ballot boxes in other states to begin meeting the same fate). I don’t see how the Democrats can even cheat their way to victory this time. We all know – and the Democrats especially are painfully aware – that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are a disastrous duo whom no one likes and they have run a terrible campaign that is floundering more and more each day.

Conversely, we also all know – and the Democrats especially are painfully aware – that Trump has been a rock star on the campaign trail and that YUGE crowds have come out for him everywhere. Kamala could only boost her crowds with a bait-and-switch, promising Beyoncé concerts that never materialized, for example. Kamala couldn’t even score a victory with a solo CNN town hall; CNN commentators afterward couldn’t cover for her disastrous performance. Her entire campaign has been based on lies and fear-mongering about fascism and democracy because she’s incapable of talking policy or differentiating herself from the decrepit, deposed Joe Biden.

If Kamala “wins,” her presidency will be the most radical in American history. It’s easy and tempting to dismiss her as an epically incompetent dim bulb, because that’s what she is. It’s easy and tempting to mock her pompous word salads, her nervous cackling, her Meryl Streep-level range of accents when addressing different demographics, but remember that she is also ruthless, ambitious, and cruel, and she enjoys destroying lives through political power. With her in the White House we can expect four years of vindictiveness and retribution against political opponents, in addition to the most radical imaginable policies.”

https://www.frontpagemag.com/what-to-expect-this-election-and-beyond/

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MichaelM
MichaelM
6 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

“You don’t have to like him, but even with all his faults he’s the only real chance Americans have”

I actually find him very likeable. He may be a bit narcissistic, but still only scores around a 3 on the Barack Obama scale of 10.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago
Reply to  MichaelM

And Obama is a prime example why people shouldn’t focus on the sex or the skin colour, only their policies.

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Bill Hickling
Bill Hickling
6 months ago

Thank you Sir. This is why I subscribe to the DS.

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Sue
Sue
6 months ago
Reply to  Bill Hickling

It is one of the most balanced and considered articles that I have so far encountered on this matter. The Brownstone website which the writer established has many intelligent articles, often including British orientated opinion and information. The link given by Mogwai below is worth reading in its entirety.
https://brownstone.org/

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JXB
JXB
6 months ago

“It has become clear, in addition, that the longing for a system of fiscal financing via tariffs rather than income taxes is on the table, as in the 19th century. That would certainly amount to an improvement over the current system.”

Really? Yet it was removal of tariffs and introduction of free trade that saw a huge surge in the British Economy and at that time there was no income tax so it wasn’t either/or.

Do people promoting tariffs really nto understand they are a tax on consumers? Paid by the importer and passed on and compounded through the supply chain, they increase consumer prices = less goods bought = less manufacture needed = fewer jobs needed = unemployment = reduction in economic activity = everyone made poorer.

Domestic manufacturing has not been lost, it has changed. We manufacture as much as we did 50 years ago just different things. Fewer people are engaged in it which is down to increased labour productivity which means higher wages.

The real problem is as the article states, a shift from productive to non-productive activity mostly in the public sector, which means more and more capital, labour and other resources are not available for development of the private sector hampered by the deadweight of taxation to pay for the non-producers. And now floods of non-productive, impoverished immigrants.

Tariffs are not the answer.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
6 months ago
Reply to  JXB

To be fair, when there was a huge surge in the British Economy from free trade, we didn’t have a great deal of international competition, certainly not what we have now. We have seen various foreign governments try to subsidise their industry by undercutting and product dumping, in which case some protectionism would be an obvious answer. If we all played by the rules then I agree, no tariffs.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  JXB

My instincts are towards free trade and it has shown itself to give great benefits. But what has come to bother me about it is that it creates a dependence on other countries. Steel, food, energy, semiconductors. Being dependent on other countries might be OK if they are equally dependent on you, or you can trust them not to shaft you or gang up on you because you step out of line. I don’t know what the answer is.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
6 months ago

I was thinking about the whole situation in the US the other day and musing about the tremendous divisions between the left and right, and whether or not the answer might just be to have a partition of the country into two. Do we have two sides of the argument that are so incompatible that division and political independence is realistically the only solution..?

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Tonka Rigger
Tonka Rigger
6 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Such a situation would absolutely never happen, of course. Not just because of the obvious practical and constitutional hurdles, but also because the juxtaposition would expose the comparative failure of the Dem state very starkly indeed.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I felt like that during “covid”. Just give us a small country somewhere and leave us the hell alone, youse lot can all go bonkers together, good luck.

The US was founded with the idea that people would be left to live their lives as they best thought, within the law which was at the time confined to a tiny proportion of what it is today. But there’s no more land left to do it again – no land anyone would want to live on, anyway.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
6 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Maybe that is the reason for the Billionaires bunkers in places like Hawaii. Some could already be in them, just in case!

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
6 months ago

He is more beautiful than ever now in terms of his actual beauty and the beauty of his presence. The man is in his seventies and he has the energy of ten young bulls and apparently he subsists on cheeseburgers alone. And perhaps he has gained wisdom from his years in the wilderness He isn’t really a demagogue apart from a few stylistic touches. He never plays the hard man really. His tone is usually ironic or self-mocking. More of a demigod than demagogue. He is a mystery to himself in terms of how his mind works. The demons in charge like predictability and algorithmic thinking and so perhaps a practitioner of chaos magic can slow down the decline.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
6 months ago

Today is a rebirth. It may only mean a fifty year reprieve from a precipitous decline but now that we have him I think that we have learned how to love him. And we know that feeding him love and adoration brings out the best in him. He offers himself up as the slain deity and the sacrificial lamb. Our last hope.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
6 months ago

They’ve already said that they won’t let him take power even if he wins and that is the beauty of it because it means a rumpus will ensue. He will win and if they to block him they will make a grave mistake. He is no more of a humanitarian than they are but at least it will throw the Anglo-Americans off kilter for the next couple of months which is exactly where you want them.

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RTSC
RTSC
6 months ago

I hope we’re now going to experience a battle between democratic, nationalistic capitalism in the USA the anti-democratic, bureaucratic corporatism being implemented in Europe.

Sadly, we’re trapped on the wrong side.

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