Jordan claimed today it had succeeded in a “fearless” mission to air-drop aid to Gaza, only for the Israeli military to clarify the aid mission had been coordinated through it.
“Our fearless air force personnel air-dropped at midnight medical aid to the Jordanian field hospital in Gaza,” Jordanian King Abdullah II said early on Monday.
“This is our duty to aid our brothers and sisters injured in the war on Gaza. We will always be there for our Palestinian brethren.”
We see here propaganda in action. Jordan identifies Palestinians as “brethren” (Israelis are never “brethren”, of course) and falsely implies the aid was provided against the wishes of Israel and without its assistance, the better to make Israel look bad and Jordan look like it’s got the Gazans’ back.
But is this the same King Abdullah who has refused to take in a single Gazan refugee? Last month he said:
I think I can speak here on behalf of Jordan… but also our friends in Egypt: This is a red line… no refugees to Jordan and also no refugees to Egypt. This is a situation that has to be handled within Gaza and the West Bank. And you don’t have to do it on the shoulders of others.
Always be there – at a safe distance, dropped from a great height.
Jordan originally staked a claim to the whole land of Israel, of course, and annexed the West Bank in 1950 before losing it in 1967. And the Palestinians originally saw Jordan as an integral part of greater Palestine and fought to undermine the Hashemite state established by the British after World War One under its Mandate for Palestine. Palestinian claims on Jordan eventually came to an end after the 1970 ‘Black September‘ victory of Jordan over the Palestinian Liberation Organisation and the brutal driving out of the Palestinians from Jordan.
For some reason, though, this murky history is now largely forgotten, and the legitimacy of Jordan is universally accepted, while that of the Jewish state remains widely questioned. Now why could that be? Particularly as Israel has strived to include Gazans – before the war Israel had just issued thousands of new work permits – while Jordan’s border, like that of Egypt, has remained firmly shut.
“Always there.”
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Well said. Few will remember the Jordanians getting thoroughly fed up with Palestinians and throwing them out.
few will recall that Jordan took the West Bank before Israel recovered it.
I seem to recall that the West Bank was part of Jordan prior to 1967. Then Israel, having won a war (granted it was attacked) decided to annex this very prized piece of land, despite it being part of Jordan according to the UN agreement of 1948.
Fast forward to 2022/3 and we are getting our knickers in a twist about Russia ‘occupying’ Crimea and a few enclaves of Eastern Ukraine, though you think annexing/occupying the West Bank is fine. What’s the difference (apart from tribalism)??
Whereas neither should be acceptable, one might observe that Crimea is primarily Russian culturally, having been donated on a whim to Ukraine (then part of the Soviet Union anyway) in the 1950’s by Stalin. The same cannot be said for the West Bank.
Presumably Jordan doesn’t want to initiate a stampede of refugees to it’s less robust economy, for the same reason that we don’t want a stampede of refugees to our relatively stronger economy.
Read the links in the article. The West Bank was only ‘part’ of Jordan after Jordan annexed it. Therefore in effect it has been an occupied territory since 1950, the only thing that changed in 1967 was the country occupying it.
By your, mistaken, logic if it was an integral part of Jordan prior to 1967 then it is now an integral part of Israel.
The reason is not economic, but about social and political stability – both Jordan and for that matter the UK as we now see.
After being kicked out of Jordan, the Palestinians settled in Lebanon and destabilised it until kicked out by Israeli backed Christian militias.
Next stop Libya where even Gaddafi got fed up of them and was glad to see the back of them when Israel offered them settlement in the West Bank and Gaza.
Big mistake.
Douglas Murray in his latest Triggernometry podcast yesterday specifically affirms that Jordan and Egypt have no time for the Palestinians.
Probably because they’re (sensibly) terrified of introducing the Hamas death cult into their remarkably stable countries, that are currently happily coexisting with Israel.
Good for them, we’ve probably let rather too many ‘excitable’ Islamic fundamentalists into our countries already. Perhaps Jordan doesn’t want to make the same mistake?
So why doesn’t King Abdullah come clean! Out with it, yer righness! Your reasons are perfectly…reasonable!
Don’t worry! In the event of I*lamic terrorism breaking out here I*rael will be standing side by side with us, proclaiming inter alia the Anglo Saxons right to their own nation state.
That horrible whinging twit. Who cares? He’s working for the Divide and Rule establishment. How many countries were Jewish people booted out from? 100? People didn’t have much time for them either by the sounds.
It’s informative to note that far more Jews were expelled from Arab countries, about 600,000 in the case of Iraq, than Arabs were kicked out of Israel.
You don’t have to go back many years to when Christians made up 20%-30% of many Arab countries. Arabs are not great milticulturlists.
Arabs can be Christians, Druze and probably a few other religions.
Interestingly enough (and it’s only anecdotal really) when I went on holiday to Syria a few years ago, we had a self-declared Palestinian refugee as a guide for a few days. He was full of, shall we say, hate for the Druze!
So until the creation of the explicitly racist state of Israel by people who had lived in Europe for 2,000 years and were, on average, of 60% European ancestry and the ethnic cleansing of the non-Jewish indigenous population of Palestine large Christian minorities had existed in Muslim-ruled areas for around 1,200 years?
How sad that Jew, Christian and Arab lived relatively harmoniously in the Levant until the arrival of the Zs. I believe that the Levant Js way back in 1917 warned Britain exactly what would happen should they be allowed to create a Je*is* state in Palestine.
Well considering the Zs agenda of a Greater I*rael you can hardly blame the action taken by Arab states regarding exiling their Jewish from Arab countries.
The Zs or do you mean Muslims who have never lived harmoniously with anybody, not even each other. See: Iraq, Shia, Sunni, for example.
And Europe has been such an example of peace and harmony!!!!!
Palestinians are Arabs and therefore “brethren” of Jordan.
European Jews taking Palestinian land are NOT their brethren.
If Jordan and Egypt accept Palestinians it legitimises Israel’s ethnic cleansing.
European Jews is a misnomer as the Jews originally came from the area in question. They used to have a state there until the end of the first century AD when the Romans conquered and eliminated it because they considered it to annoying. This was the start of the so-called Jewish diaspora and Jews remained a distinctively alien (and oftentimes persecuted) element in western Europe for almost the next 2000 years (roughly until the first quarter of the 19th century). By the time of Mohammed, the population of the Arabian peninsula was composed of Jewish tribes and tribes of pagan Arabs who spoke related languages.
The majority of Jews in the world come from Khazaria and have no history with Palestine.
As far as could be determined without a lot of effort, that’s speculative history (aka fable telling) based on lack of sources. The state itself appears to have been some Asian chanate dominated by Turkish tribes in the second half of the first millenium.
DNA and Schlomo Sand say otherwise.
https://gilad.online/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-book-review.html
Funnily enough, DNA says otherwise is the exact same claim the other side also makes and it would perhaps be time to admit that DNA says nothing, stupid, it cannot talk! I don’t care who Schlomo Sands is. On the balance of probabilities, the Khazaria-story looks very much like transreligion references th The Brain™ — exploit the fact that little is really known about a certain topic for baseless speculations made to sound in a way that they appeal to certain people. An all time hobby of Bauernfänger (literally farmer catchers, a German term for clever, fast-talking people seeking to fool proverbally credulous and slow-minded ones).
You’ve also managed to contradict yourself and admit that I was right with my original statement: Assuming the majority of Jews in the world are of vaguely Turkish descent, they’re obviously not European as the Turks were originally Asian invaders.
Some of my post was written by Juan Cole who is the founder and chief editor of Informed Comment. He is Richard P. Mitchell Professor of History at the University of Michigan.
Tel Aviv University historian, Professor Shlomo Sand also doubts the origins of Israel.
“In his 2008 book, Sand manages to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the Jewish people never existed as a ‘nation-race’, they never shared a common origin. Instead, they are a colourful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion.”
“Professor Sand leaves us with the inevitable conclusion. Contemporary Jews do not have a common origin and their Semitic origin is a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever and therefore, their act of so-called ‘return’ to their ‘promised land’ must be realised as an invasion executed by a tribal-ideological clan.”
I spy appeal to authority. An expert says – thus proof.
How does he explain the Kingdoms of Israel and Kingdom of Judea in the Bronze Age, inhabited by speakers of Hebrew and the originators of Judaism by their monotheistic belief in the god Yahweh?
How does he explain reports in Roman texts of their (Jews) presence in the conquered territory of the Roman Province of Judea (aka Syria Palestina) – the Jewish Temple, the Jewish Council, the Sanhedrin… the Bible?
According to DNA sampling of the British population, it turns out the majority of us who thought we were Anglo-Saxon, some with a splash of Viking Danish, are in fact Celts. Just goes to show.
Tricky stuff DNA.
Then you spy incorrectly.
Religious texts including the Bible are just allegories and have no historical basis whatsoever.
The vast majority of Jews have no connection to Palestine.
DNA proves it.
Palestine is a region. In the Bronze Age it comprised of Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judea, and once incorporated part of Syria.
By definition anyone born and living in the area known as Palestine is Palestinian, including the Jews – just as anyone living in Europe is by definition European.
So Palestinian land was owned by (Palestinian) Jews already living there, and by European Jews who migrated there bought land there in the 1930s and 1940s – land sold to them voluntarily by Arabs.
In 1800 there were just 7,000 Jews in Palestine. This compares with 268,000 non-Jewish Palestinians, mostly Arabs.
By 2014 there were 6.2 million Jews in Palestine (Israel). This compares with 6.1 million non-Jewish Palestinians, mostly Arabs.
Palestine has been invaded by European Jews who have stolen their land.
Jordan is not short of refugees:
‘Jordan hosts the second largest number of refugees per capita worldwide, including 660,000 Syrians. Most of them live outside of camps in urban centres..’
European Civil Protection and Humanitarian Aid Operations
Just not Palestinians.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/11/06/the-anti-human-agenda-twitter-x-thread/
Off-G twitter thread. Worth a read.
The Israel / Hamas conflagration is all about killing and the globalists want World War.
The final post on the above twitter thread sums up my position. I have said this before – I just want the killing to stop.
Looks like 77 are upset
What’s the statement?
I’d like to see the Jihadi terrorists obliterated, but apparently that makes me a terrible person, according to the resident antisemitic freaktards on here. Go figure.
It’s what your quite happy to let happen in that desire that makes you a terrible person.
10,000 and counting. 4,000 under 18s.
I note you pretend to believe Hamas agit-prop.
So you are either an adherent of the Religion of Peace or work for the BBC.
Silly comment soldier. Even the UN said past data from Gaza had been reliable. It’s a vast under estimate as so many under the rubble.
While I’m not going to dispute your right to make such claims, I find the persistent attempt by the government of Israel (successive governments of Israel, in all likeliness) to hijack German history (antisemitism is still a political movement which started in Germany in the 19th century) to support their war of conquest and extermination in the middle east highly offensive. The conquerors of the past were at least proud of their deeds. The present generation, while exactly as murderously disposed, always timidly hide behind first principles. A despicable lot.
You mean Israel? Terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
Guess that makes Israel a terrorist State as well. And you Islamophobic.
Implicit in this B ull S hit piece by Will is that anyone SHOULD be taking refugees from Gaza, who, in turn are refugees from their own land in Palestine now Israel and that it’s just fine to force them out through Israel’s bombing/ethnic cleansing campaign.
Total crock.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yep: taking in Palestinians fleeing Israeli mass-murder is co-operating with ethnic cleansing. Because Israel doesn’t intend that any who flee should ever be allowed back.
A Holocaust is being committed right in front of us and people want to argue about how awful Arabs and, in particular Palestinians, are.
Hey it worked for Hitler, it will probably work for Netanyahu and his useful idiots here.
When they baked Israeli babies in the oven while gang-raping their mothers, and set fire to civilians they forfeit any right to sympathy.
I used to be on their side; not any more.
When Hamas stop hiding behind their wives and children, stop appropriating aid funding for tunnel-building and keeping the leaders living in comfort in Qatar, and 40- odd percent of the population stop voting for them, I might think differently.
Oh so the civilians in Gaza don’t deserve your sympathy because of Hamas and what they perpetrated?
Shameful
The citizens of Gaza voted for these barbarians, so presumably they are in favour of such tactics. It says a lot that none of their neighbours are willing to accept them as refugees. I have compassion for any innocents caught up in this horror but Palestinians shouldn’t complain about lack of power, water and utilities when their leaders are nicking it all for the terror campaign
Any chance you are going to make sense?
Most of the people in Gaza..half of them are children, didn’t vote for Hamas…
You have zero compassion for innocent Palestinians, patently.
The Israelis are bombing fishing boats, water supplies and hospital solar panels…they are not the good guys in this either…
By your logic, because I voted for Boris, I deserve to be forcibly jabbed and masked because I must be ‘in favour of such tactics’?…Do I have to go along, much against my own wishes, with being guilty for the death of half a million Ukrainian soldiers as well because I voted for the useless tub of lard?
Yes, I’m aware of all you say, and that there are no ‘good guys’. I also said I was on the Palestinians’ side – until 7/10 when utter savagery was unleashed and unthinkable acts perpetrated against Israeli civilians. They showed their true colours on that day, which is as much a betrayal of their own people as anything the IDF does (and the IDF still needs to explain why they were asleep at the wheel on that day).
This conflict is not going to be settled here on DS and British Jews should not live in fear of a baying mob who can scream in relative safety as we watch on, horrified.
I’ve been on protests against jab mandates and so noted the difference in how our group behaved compared to the appalling mobs threatening the social order and defiling our monuments with their crappy flags. I wonder what Britain would look like if their calls for jihad actually happened.
You weren’t there though were you numb nuts. Here are some testimonies of those that were: https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
You are so thick Jane. They didn’t vote for them. This is a statistical impossibility being as how the election was 2006 which means half of Gazans wouldn’t have been born and anyone over 35 wouldn’t have been allowed to vote.
…did they Jane?
The Israeli army have said they have no evidence for the ‘forty babies’ stories…none….nor is there evidence of the ‘oven’ one..other than repeating a story as if it’s true, without ever knowing an official source.
…there are no babies listed on the official list of deaths in the Haaretz newspaper, which updates as names are released….do you really think no one has missed forty plus babies…?
It’s amazing Hamas has got time to fight..they’re in schools, they’re in hospitals, they’re in ambulances, they’re also in tunnels….they’re hiding in refugee camps, behind women and children..they’re hiding behind UN officials who are being killed in their dozens, and behind the press, who have also been targeted for death by the Israeli’s…they wouldn’t want anyone seeing the carnage they are doling out daily….
…but we do see it…..
Pretty poor excuses for the deaths of over 10.000 civilians most of them women and children, and all in a month….
Oh yawn Jane – that was poopooed by CNN who had to apologise – now I know you’re 77th – same old tropes. Learn something you divide and ruler –
@sarasidnerCNN
I would argue we were mislead. I am going to report on what heads of governments say. That is what new orgs do. It doesn’t mean it’s true but it’s news.
I may be misled but I’m not 77th. I don’t bother with downticks and don’t post often enough to earn the badge.
Are you now going to tell me the dead woman with the broken legs on the truck was a crisis actor?
Nearly all the things that you use and enjoy in a modern world are created by Jews. Think of that when you next climb into your car.
Clearly Toby’s had to bring in 77th or 23Red of one of those Behavioural Wheel types as the pervading views here were on the ‘wrong side’. Well done Toby and Will – you set up a great Sceptical paper….then forgot all about scepticism.
What is the parallel with Ukraine?
The only people actually asking this question are the pro Israeli genocide echo chamber….
The question the vast majority are actually asking is why is Israel being allowed to indiscriminately murder thousands of women and children, and displace millions more?……
and then have the nerve to blame any outside countries for their ‘inaction’….or reasons…
The massive marches of hundreds of thousands over the weekend, and all over the world for a ceasefire and an end to the genocide are the reality….
And he’s a ‘Christian’. Fallen Angel more like.
What is their own land? What its borders, who was its President, Prime Minister, where its Parliament, seat of Government?
Did they have a national anthem, currency, footie team?
A good 4min explainer. The Palestinian militants have form for starting trouble, over-throwing governments and assassinating leaders in neighbouring countries. With their proven disastrous history and bad reputation I wouldn’t chuffing want them either.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1720747040349520077
So why do you support Israeli ethnic cleansing that is likely to result in at least a couple of hundred thousand being resettled here?
Naive analysis.
He’s between a rock and hard place.
Most of his people are Palestinian so he has to be seen to publicly condemn Israel. Israel understands that and keeps the back channels open.
Israel provides much of Jordan’s water supply as well as a safe/secure border.
Nobody wants the Palestinians from Gaza. They’re disaffected, radicalised and hide many terrorists. These 5th generation professional refugees nave been exploited politically for years, schooled as infants to hate, live off handouts.
There are many Palestinians who know which side their bread is buttered and cooperate well with Israel. I met a lady farmer a few years ago who farms basil for Israel, content and prosperous. Stuff you never see on Al Beeb.
With the Middle East, there’s always a story behind the story.
Check the history, do your homework.
5/10. Could do better.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/
The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi SpiesIn a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security
Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security
https://twitter.com/tinyfleu/status/1721035461790236832
Best ever response to the Zionist propaganda line: ‘why don’t the neighbouring Arab countries want the Palestinians?’
@Norman Fincklestein
‘you’re smiling but your stupid smirk won’t change the fact the argument you used was used by Hitler to justify the extermination of the Jews”
Nobody ever saw Transjordan (as it was called at that time) as part of Palestine. These were separate territories covered by the Palestine mandate.
“Propaganda in action” is rich.
The legitimacy of the Jewish state derives from the United Nations resolution of 1947 calling for the partition of Mandate Palestine into two independent states. It was the Zionists who conducted a propaganda campaign for that resolution, claiming that they positively wanted two states (three, counting Jordan): the Palestinians and Jordanians never said they did. The Israeli propaganda machine has never stopped since.
The Daily Sceptic‘s coverage of the crisis (sceptical about what?) has been uniformly pro-Israel with a puzzlingly left wing slant. The pro-Palestinian Left, we have been told, has not been true to its principles about gay rights, inclusiveness on campus, diversity, hate speech and the rest of it. Those of us who suspected from the start that this would end in the depopulation of Gaza are beginning to see why. The issue is going to be framed as Corbynista extremism versus Starmerite statesmanship, Palestinians are to be rebranded as asylum seekers, and don’t you dare tell an asylum seeker to go home.
“Always there”? More like “Always hypocritcal”
Perhaps “always there” was meant more as a warning to the terrorists of Hamas and their Palestinian supporters?
“Israelis are never brethren…” well when have the current Government called the Palestinian’s brethren? ..I’ll wait….
….and with “friends like these”….
Likud Party Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said Sunday that one of Israel’s options in the war against Hamas could be to drop a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip, in comments that were quickly disavowed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who also suspended the minister from cabinet meetings.
”When it was pointed out to the minister that there are some 240 hostages currently held in the Gaza Strip, Eliyahu doubled down.
“I pray and hope for their return, but there is a price to be paid in war,” he said. “Why are the lives of the abductees, whose release I really want, more important than the lives of the soldiers and the people who will be murdered later?”
One can only hope this is not saying the quiet part out loud..and that the rest of the Government hold the lives of the hostages as a higher priority…
These scum lie to their own mother
The Nation States of Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were created in the Middle East after the 1st World war. 30 years later the Nation State of Israel was created. Why is there such a violent reaction to Israel and not these other states? Are these other States any more legitimate than Israel? The answer to me is obvious. Reading the comment thread on here is depressing.
Great piece, very informative.
No Will, the Israeli State does not remain widely questioned. It is recognised by 165 nations of the UN (a Palestinian State by 139 although the US threatens to remove funding from those who recognise a Palestinian State plus funding from the UN). As for Gazans moving into Jordan – so Isreal can steal more of their land. Easy for you to say from your comfortable enclave. And how generous for Israel to offer work permits so the people of Gaza can return to the land of their forefathers. How magnanimous to allow the Gazans 4 hours of electricity a day. And you call yourself a Christian? I’m sure Christ would be so proud.
Witness testimony from those on the ground during the Oct 7th assault on Israel. Maybe get some first hand reports together before traumatising a whole other generation of Israeli soldiers and Gazans. Links in this article: https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/