For more than a year, English footballers took the knee in solidarity with a petty criminal who was murdered by a cop in Minneapolis, says Brendan O’Neill in the Spectator. “Yet after the racist slaughter of more than a thousand Israelis, the worst act of anti-Semitic violence since the Holocaust, England’s Football Association can’t even be bothered to light up the Wembley arch in Israel’s colours.” He continues:
It is reported that the FA is “unlikely” to light the arch with the Israeli flag. It is worried about being seen to “take sides”. It also fears “a backlash from some communities”. So it’s taking the knee again. This time to the feelings of certain members of minority groups who hate Israel. Apparently their emotions, their bigoted sensitivities, their right never to see the Star of David, matter more than the memory of a thousand massacred Jews.
This is surely one of the most snivelling, cowardly decisions a public body has ever made. To elevate your own fears – in this case the fear of irritating Israelophobes – over making a show of solidarity with a nation whose men, women and children have just been butchered by a virulently racist terror group is unconscionably spineless.
The BBC reports that FA officials who attended the meeting at which this yellow-bellied decision was taken expressed concerns that “lighting the arch could be divisive”. Oh grow a backbone. Get a moral compass. So what if you get irate emails from Hamas fanboys? The citizens of an ally of ours have just been slain in the most gruesome fashion imaginable and you should put their flag up.
What makes this chicken decision even more galling is that usually the FA loves signalling its virtue. Modern football is awash with moral gestures. There was all that knee-taking. The Ukraine flag was emblazoned on the Wembley arch following Russia’s invasion. Footballers wear Pride-coloured laces, go on about ‘kicking racism out of football’, etc. etc.
Yet when it comes to the mass murder of Israelis, football’s bigwigs erm and ahh.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Lord Mann, the Government’s adviser on antisemitism who has been in talks with the FA all week, has publicly accused the FA of sending a message that “Jews do not count” and letting down England’s Jewish community by refusing to light up the Wembley arch in recognition of the Hamas terror attack. He branded it “a failure of leadership”, the Telegraph reports.
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Does anyone know if The Jerusalem Post is on a par with CNN? I don’t know if it’s because I no longer trust any MSM reporting ( particularly when it comes to war ) or if this is so horrific that I don’t want to believe it’s true. So with reluctance I share this and you can make up your own minds. There are also some awful photos in the comments section, apparently confirmed from Netanyahu’s office. No idea what to believe because we’ve seen what these hate-filled pieces of sh*t are capable of, nothing would surprise me;
”The Jerusalem Post can now confirm based on verified photos of the bodies that the reports of babies being burnt and decapitated in Hamas’s assault on Kfar Aza are correct.
May their memory be a blessing.”
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1712460425529372821
I’ve watch videos put out by Hamas of them torturing families, machine gunning the already-dead bodies of a family of four, splattering blood everywhere and laughing as they do it. I watched them torturing a prone, dying man on the floor before decapitating him with a shovel. The mainstream media does us no favours censoring these images.
The parents of that poor German tattooist whose near naked body was spat upon by Hamas terrorists, have been told she’s alive in a Gaza hospital. The uncensored images show a hole I could put my thumb through in the back of her head. There’s no question the images are real. This was genocide. Hamas has to wiped off the face of the Earth.
Hook, line and sinker…..
Bye bye!
Oh you managed to understand my post….
Yes well, hate-fueled genocidal maniacs don’t just suddenly develop a conscience when it comes to babies and kids. That’s why I really fear for all of those hostages, and it’s also why I’m shocked that nobody is giving the kids of Gaza sanctuary in any Arab country. We know the evil scum couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the innocent Palestinians, only using them to hide amongst and use as shields. That’s their only usefulness to barbarians such as these. Isn’t their HQ under a hospital or something? They launch rockets from schools! And now they have no water or power, so who will succumb to the effects of this first? The children and frail elderly. I knew about the sick taunting that Shani’s mother has been a victim of. Will she ever be able to recover her body and bury her daughter?
Palestinians, especially children have another use to Hamas. Israel has suffered a barbaric act of mass murder and has every right to respond with military action against Hamas. However any military action in a densely populated area such as Gaza is bound to result in civilian casualties. Every piece of footage of dead/injured children will be used by Hamas and other groups as anti Israeli propaganda and a recruiting tool.
I’m not sure how innocent adult Palestinians are. Hamas is the elected authority in Gaza so enjoys considerable support. There’s no way thousands of heavily armed terrorists could of been present in Gaza without support from some of the population and a lot of other people turning a blind eye to their presence. If the population of Gaza wanted to they could elect a moderate authority and work with them to make sure only a very small number of terrorists were able to shelter in Gaza. Despite the fact they’re suffering because of what Hamas did I’m sure large numbers of Palestinians still support them and are quite happy to regard Israel as the sole cause of they’re suffering, in the same way as some despicable left wingers in the UK pin the blame for everything on Israel.
I’ll be honest, I can’t see them having much of a democracy over there. Not going by how evidently rigged the whole game is in Western countries.
And don’t forget just how much Western countries rig the Middle East. Netanyahu admitted he helped bolster Hamas to divide the Palestinian leadership. You won’t read that in the DT or the DS.
i am glad to see your comment and mogs , i can’t write as well but i so agree with you.am so disappointed in the Instagrams i used to like from ny. they
have turned so antisemitic.hopefully i’ll waste less time looking at instagram now
“Hamas is the elected authority in Gaza.”
This must be quite like, “Joe Biden is the elected authority in the US.”
We all know how easy it is to “elect authorities.”
Hamas is a jewish-created entity, and so works hand in glove with them; including sending large numbers of fireworks flying towards israel so as to create what they need, ie casus belli..
Hamas is not the elected authority. Those elections were 17 years ago and since, Hamas has taken the Strip by force and blockades the Palestinians almost as much as the Israeli leadership. They have about 32% of support (also questionable as most don’t want to question Hamas) with more supporting other breakaway factions. Much of the leadership is not even in Gaza which is why some were not even informed about the attack. How do you suggest the Palestinians leave Gaza being as how the IDF bombed the Rafah crossing – this is why the IDF is suggesting they go to the south of the Strip. Are you to blame for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria (technically anyone who pays taxes is)…but you get my drift. You’re no more guilty for Blair’s wars than the Palestinians are for the actions of Hamas.
I see Hamas have told Gaza residents to stay put; utter b@st@rds.
You are the poster boy for gullible people everywhere, seemingly.
But I suspect it is more likely that you are hasbara.
Nobody could be as much of a simpleton as you clearly are.
“The parents of that poor German tattooist…..”
If only you could see how msm narrative driven you sound.
How about the parents of ALL those who have perished..
“Wiped off the face of the earth”…… Demented
Clearly a dummy.
Check out the backwards right leg, with no sign of knee or hip trauma.
Many things are “freely being circulated.”
Probably a good idea to ask why.
There is every question that the images are real.
You don’t end up alive in a hospital when you have a hole in the back of your head you can put a thumb through.
What you’ve watched are jewish atrocity videos, professionally filmed by their film crews.
Could you tell us how you, personally, know for definite that this poor woman is still alive?
As there has been no independent confirmation of her death, I suppose it is not impossible that she is still alive, although I think that highly unlikely. I do not know for definite, but then neither do you. Can you not see that you are claiming the exact thing you are denouncing in the side you oppose? None of us here really know what is true or not.
There is a ridiculous woman on txitter claiming to be a doctor who thinks she is some type of internet goddess now. She claims to be sceptical and not just accept anything, which is fine. She speaks up for the Palestinians in Gaza who are caught up in this, in a situation right now I cannot even imagine, and I agree with her speaking up for them. But then she rants that all the pictures showing the terrorist attack are fake, without her possibly being able to know whether that is true or not. At the same time, she keeps posting pictures and claims she just grabs from some random twitter post showing atrocities in Gaza, when she has zero way of knowing whether they are real or not. She has been called out several times and it has been proven to her that some of the pictures are years old or fake – she doesn’t deny it, but says its okay for her to post fake stuff, that proves how neutral and sceptical and in search of the truth she is. That woman is only in search of more followers and money from txitter, nothing more.
As for whether the pictures of the slaughter in Israel are true – Islamist terrorists have a long history of posting pictures and videos of their terrorist attacks, for example those poor Scandinavian girls they gang raped and beheaded in Morocco, then sending a video of that to the mother of one of the girls.
Be sceptical, by all means – but then truly be sceptical. Do not unquestioningly accept whatever you hear or see from the side you support and claim to be sceptical and wanting the truth.
I don’t think there is any sense in ‘comparing atrocities’ anyway.
One parents anguish is no more or less than any other surely….?
Are we supposed to cheer when we see children and babies being dragged from the rubble in Palestine, because somehow their deaths aren’t worth the same? That somehow, the actions of Hamas mean that they deserved it? That because of the politics of their parents and those around them, somehow they had it coming?
One evil act can’t be allowed to infect everything afterwards, or surely you end up being no better?…and isn’t this how we got here anyway?
I’m all for Israel getting not only justice but revenge on the leaders and members of Hamas, but the rest leaves me very uncomfortable…
…plus this isn’t happening in a vacuum… I really think the world is in a very dangerous place, politically, and I wish people with cooler heads were in charge….
Absolutely, the whole thing is starting to get ridiculous, comparing atrocities, arguments about precisely how many babies were actually killed and how they were killed – shot, decapitated, burned, 1, 40 – x number of babies and children being pulled from the rubble – keeping score does’t help any of them, it only diminishes the human aspect and pain, for any person who has lost a loved one in this, of whatever background and by whatever hand.
One question I have is why Hamas went as far as they did. The attack was intentionally barbaric, even by their standards, precisely to elicit this outcome. If you had asked me beforehand how Israel would have responded to an attack like that, I could have told you the retaliation would be swift and devasting – Hamas (and whoever is backing Hamas) would have known that and this is what they wanted. The Palestinians really are just pawns in all this, but on all sides. I bet anything the people who orchestrated the attack are not within 100 miles of Gaza.
It wasn’t the German girl – she is still alive, yes. It was an IDF soldier – not saying that’s okay, just saying not the German. Also the twins that Hamas allegedly killed have been found safe and well in a hospital. Hamas killed their parents. First casualty of war and all that.
More on the carnage here. Israel will give humanitarian aid to Gaza on condition that the hostages are set free.
”Earlier this morning, an Israeli military spokesman appeared to confirm the reports that Hamas terrorists beheaded babies.
Israeli Defence Forces spokesman Jonathan Conricus said a coroner who visited the aftermath of the massacre at a Kibbutz close to the Gaza Strip had seen the children’s bodies and confirmed how they died.
‘I admit it took us some time to really understand and to verify that report, and it was hard to believe that even Hamas could perform such a barbaric act,’ he said in comments carried by the BBC.
‘I think we can now say, with relative confidence, that this is what Hamas did… there were bodies scattered everywhere, mutilated.’
And Israel’s Defence Minister Yoav Gallant today showed uncensored footage of the atrocities committed by the terrorists to his counterparts at a NATO meeting, while comparing Hamas to ISIS.
‘I walked from house to house. And saw the bodies of our pioneers, the Holocaust survivors, burned alive. Children were tied and shot. Yes I repeat, children were tied up and shot,’ Gallant said.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623843/Israel-releases-images-babies-murdered-burned-Hamas-verified-photos-beheaded-terrorists-confirmed-local-media-IDF-drops-Gaza-leaflets-telling-citizens-flee.html
It appears to me that what is going on is simply one strand of the depopulation agenda. Netanyahu doesn’t give a F. about the Israeli people as their maniacal jab program confirmed and he sure as hell will care even less about Palestinians. If the Israelis can ignite the whole of the Middle East in mass slaughter there is every chance war could spread and most certainly in to Europe – we have after all managed to import a few Muslim armies.
I hope I’m wrong.
Reductio ad absurdum.
Anyone remember the MyLay incident in Vietnam? This sounds very much like that atrocity.
I expect they have also published pictures of babies being thrown out of incubators by the “Hamas animals” too.
Why give up on a good story when it always works.
Obviously Hamas denied this as you’d expect (https://www.wionews.com/world/hamas-denies-involvement-in-killing-and-beheading-babies-alleges-media-bias-646306), CNN couldn’t confirm it (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html) and Biden backtracked on the claim (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-back-bidens-claim-he-saw-children-beheaded-by-hamas). The Telegraph picture does not show decapitated babies as Fraser Nelson suggests, though it does show a dead baby. The press of course tries to whip up hysteria and fan the flames as they did in the Ukraine-Russia conflict (the DS had a picture with Putin as Hitler). These same tropes have been used for centuries to divide and rule – and it works – just not for the people on the ground (ask the families of the dead AFU soldiers). The spiral of violence benefits no-one – least of all Israel who have now hit their eye-for-an-eye quota (and some) and should get to the negotiating table before the wider Arab world moves in.
Am I anti-semitic if I don’t buy into the official narrative that hamas are monsters, the palaestinians have gone too far this time and Israel are unequivocally victims in all this?
Can I think that what has happened is brutal and awful without having to jump on a pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian bandwagon?
Can I question how all this happened? Who is behind it? Do I have to swallow immediately that the Iranians are behind it? And if ask questions and have doubts, am I automatically anti-semitic?
I re-post David Millers Israeli web of control…
And with reference to the control of Hollywood (the founders were Jewish), theres a high number of commentators on here that have truly been Spielberged
What does any of this have to do with the conflict between Israel and Palestinians?
Oh dear…
To clarify..
“On 6 August 2023 in response to Zionist propagandist Hen Mazzig, who argued that Jews, Zionist Jews of course, were the sole judges of what is and is not anti-Semitic,”
I think that clearly answers your question….
Let’s not forget that “antisemitism” was punishable by death in post Bolshevik Russia.
Not really.
Most people that throw the anti-semitic slur aroind aren’t Jewish, Zionist or otherwise.
“Bristol University had commissioned not one, but two senior lawyers to investigate Miller’s statements and both found that what he had said “did not constitute unlawful speech”. That should have been the end of the matter but Bristol University by that time was determined to put an end to the government and Zionist pressure on them and if that meant ending Miller’s contract, so be it.
The pretext for Miller’s sacking was that he “did not meet the standards of behaviour we expect from our staff”. This was a travesty of justice. The allegations of anti-Semitism against him had been the reason for his suspension yet the disciplinary panel chose in the absence of any proof of anti-Semitism to make vague and unsubstantiated allegations concerning his behaviour.
The panel hearing the allegations against Miller dismissed him, not because of the allegations made against him but because of concerted political pressure from the Zionist lobby and pro-Zionist politicians.”
Do you need anymore evidence???
Its about time people woke up
I don’t know. I rry not to make sweeping generalisations about Jews.
I just think the Israel Palestine conflict is complicated and refuse to jump on the pro-Israel anti Palestinian bandwagon because I don’t really know what it is like to be a Palestinian living in Gaza. And just know a lot has happened for many years before Hamas went on a bloody rampage of southern Israel.
I also know that ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians are pawns. Just.like we are all pawns too. Our role is to bray in the manner we are instructed by our leaders.
Well, I’m not saying any of those things.
I don’t know if Jews control worldwide banking or not.
I’m not talking about Jews. All I’m talking about is this incident between Israel (not Jews, Israel) and Palestinians and the broader conflict between them.
I haven’t said anything about Jews.
You only have to disagree with the pro Israel narrative…
And yes they do control world banking. It doesn’t take a lot of digging to find evidence for that.. Rothchilds, The Bank of International Settlements are the bankers to the world’s central banks.
I don’t understand how you can think that people who killed innocent civilians in cold blood are anything other than monsters.
However you can certainly criticise Israeli policy such as allowing settlements in the West Bank without being antisemitic. In any situation such as the current conflicts in Israel/Gaza and Ukraine it’s highly unlikely that one side is perfect and the other side doesn’t have justified complaints. It’s never as simple as the media like to portray it, i.e. one side is without fault and the other side is pure evil. However very often one side will be a lot ‘better’ than the other.
Agreed. As an aside, have you noticed how it’s always the nutty extremists that cover their faces? It’s evidently a symbol of significant mental illness in unbalanced individuals now even independent of Covid. In this instance karma bites back;
https://twitter.com/LeoKearse/status/1712401645013766615
“I don’t understand how you can think that people who killed innocent civilians in cold blood are anything other than monsters”
Israeli planes are dropping bombs on innocent civilians as we speak.. Are they not “monsters” Matt??
The hypocrisy surrounding this conflict is absolutely staggering
How many innocent Iraqi children died under British bombs in a war all based on a pack of lies. WMD. It doesn’t take much to see how a public can be spun through compromised media.Beware of the messenger.
My instincts tend to push me in the direction of being mildly pro-Israel, but I think your post is entirely reasonable.
I wish I knew more and had time to become better informed on this subject.
I expect Israel can like most countries be quite nasty when it chooses to be, and as I posted earlier it seems like a racist state to me (an observation not a criticism) and they were certainly nasty to their own citizens during “Covid”. But I don’t feel that Jews and Israel pose a threat to me – there are simply not enough of them – whereas militant Islam does seem to pose a threat to Europe
https://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-northwoods-1962-false-flag-directed-against-cuba-casualty-lists-would-cause-a-helpful-wave-of-indignation-paris-brussels-terror-attacks-is-it-relevant/5516374
The unrelentingly shrill attacks on those who dare to question the official narrative on Hamas and Israel – on a website supposedly devoted to scepticism and freedom of expression – is really becoming quite concerning.
Yep, I’m convinced they have sold out….
Tell me one media outlet that hasn’t..
Try Al Jazeera – I have long given up on western msm.
Indeed, very surpsising. After 3 years of seeing through every piece of propganda thrown out by the Govt or MSM on Cov Con, Ukr etc
maybe we are thinking for ourselves from our own observations , we don’t have to all think the same way about every topic
Fwiw, I can see and share some of the more apologetic and conspirative comments on Twitter, e.g. by Caitlin Johnston, PCR or Craig Murray, but/and also totally condemn the heinous atrocities Hamas committed and in particular the jubilations of it here.
of that slaughter.
I was also always against this ‘taking of the knee’, latest and for sure when BLM’s corruption became very obvious, and do not agree that George Floyd was murdered, to the contrary.
But how ANY team can STILL take the knee is totally beyond me.
BLM has basically given its
So if you take the knee, you are sending a message that you are also fine with it.
Scum.
BLM, evey footballer taking it and every official in favour of it.
https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/blm-chicago-under-fire-for-pro-palestine-post-featuring-paragliding-terrorist/
Very true. Friendly reminder that “Never Again” does NOT come with an asterisk.
This is the pickle we get into when we bring politics into sport.
Defence stocks and political corruption..
Brand talking sense..
https://youtu.be/OWzJNTiXnv0?si=Z5qGDLTlWKcBveYc
I’m hard pushed to find a country where these evil b’stards aren’t crawling out of the woodwork in their droves ( hat tip to Poland ). Misgender a kid at school, teacher gets the sack, do it online and the police come knocking, but scumbags chanting ”gas the Jews” and vociferously supporting the murder of civilians gets you a free pass. We have a different type of Nazi in our midst and the law seemingly is doing f*ck all about it!
”The widespread overuse of the term “Nazi” — like the overuse of the terms “fascist,” “racist,” “existential threat,” “genocide,” “misinformation,” “threat to our democracy,” among others — has rendered “Nazi” little more than a word to dismiss people who oppose the Left.
“Nazi” should never be used to described non-Nazis. Nazi evil was sui generis. There has never been as organized, as industrialized, an attempt to murder every member of a religious/ethnic group — “every member” meaning babies, women, and the elderly as well as adult males — as the Nazi attempt to murder every Jew in Europe. Within a mere four years, they nearly succeeded: The Nazis murdered two out every three Jews in Europe.
But the term “Nazi” is applicable to one ideology today. There is an ideological successor to the Nazis. Just as the primary aim of Nazism was to kill every Jew in Europe, the primary aim of tens of millions of radical Muslims is to kill the seven million Jews in Israel and eradicate the one Jewish state.
The Muslim leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran regularly announce that the annihilation of Israel is their paramount aim. They would rather murder the Jews of Israel and eradicate Israel than feed their people. In fact, they have stated that the death of tens of millions of their fellow Iranians is a price worth paying if it means annihilating Israel.
That is why the purpose of Hamas’s attack was to slaughter as many Jews as possible. No army base was attacked — because the attack had no military aim. Hamas Einsatzgruppen (the name of the Nazi mobile killing units) attacked a music festival, where they murdered at least 270 young people and maimed an untold number of others. Their other targets were homes, so as to kill entire families — because their aim was not military victory but the murder of Jews. Babies and grandmothers are not military targets.”
https://www.frontpagemag.com/german-nazisms-successor-islamic-nazism/
Yes you make the must important observation.
Which makes these attacks by HAMAS this week; ‘enemy against enemy’ to be categorised as the most heinous and evil. And that is recognising all war is thus, whilst what happened in this dark week was specifically chosen and planned by HAMAS to be DONE only to CIVILIANS as distinct to their enemies soldiers or army. This is slaughter of the innocent by the barbarian from hell as one can see the whites of their eyes.
I have decided this not based on MSM information but just from watching on my own, for myself the following; HAMAS celebrating, enjoying, encouraging each other, hunting, tracking, predatory torturing, revelling, medieval chopping up civilian bodies, terrorising, using their male physical strength to murder, their aggressive sexual assault on women; worst still their lack of emotional instincts of love and protection for a human child any child regardless of origin, Instead cold brutal in the present, one on one murder of children.
They didn’t carpet bomb children which is unforgivable in itself but they looked a child in the eye and revelled in the terror and physical pain induced as they personally murdered them in person. Then screaming,”God is Good”
So please don’t and stop appeasement of evil acts with excuses I have read them all, there is no merit in excuses, when monsters creat hell on earth for innocents. They seemed to dementedly enjoy it too much, showing a dehumanised state of mind. Full of actioned motivated hate.
We should be very very worried because those celebrating were on my streets where I live! In England. UK.
Who were also Enjoying it demented too much too ? Would they believe me if I was not Jewish but a Christian or is that a problem too? Who else is on their list. Manchester Arena. Think about it appeasers.
Our police will not protect us they are weak minded individuals who take the knee.
Some people mention red flags, stolen land, revenge, global war mongers; have you thought about red herrings?
Brian Berletic and Angelo Giuliano’s discussion on Brian’s New Atlas podcast is one of the most informative I’ve heard so far and gives considerable geopolitical background to this situation. War crimes are being committed on both sides, from Hamas’ brutal targetting of civilians to Israel’s ongoing carpet bombing of Gaza and its own targetting of civilians by cutting off of power, water and food (the latter directly criticised by Antonio Guterrez, UN Sec General). As such and as much as I’ve been horrified by pro-Hamas sentiments made by various individuals and groups across the West, I can understand the reluctance to venerate the Israeli position too. As Berletic says ‘it is important to separate emotions from facts because short-term “revenge” almost always complicates long-term strategic victory’.
https://rumble.com/v3oqbzd-israeli-palestinian-conflict-continues-israel-flattens-gaza-following-hamas.html
..yes..I think that along with a lot of people, saying anything that is immediately thought not pro-Israeli..is somehow wrong and awful..and it actually physically and mentally feels like it is…I said this on Sunday, which is why I was, and remain so hesitant to speak about this, because I know if you say the slightest ‘wrong thing’ you will be targeted as Anti-Semitic..or a leftie, or a Jew hater..whatever!!
I get it….I have always been pro-Israel, in so much as I know they are the only ‘democratic’ country in the area..and have a constant struggle to survive…while surrounded by an erstwhile enemy….I also think it’s ‘baked in’ historically to people in the West to see the Jews as always ‘done to’….and never the ones ‘doing unto others’……this has never meant that I don’t feel they are often wrong in their treatment of the Palestinians…or that their expansion of the settlements into historical Palestinian areas is not a massive error in judgement….
..this is an example of what I mean…
this was Ursula Von Der Liar , about a year ago…
“Russia’s attacks against civilian infrastructure, especially electricity, are war crimes.
Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with winter coming – these are acts of pure terror.
And we have to call it as such.”
this is now…..
The decision of the Israeli government to shut down water supply to the Gaza Strip has already affected over 610,000 people, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Deputy Spokesperson Jens Laerke said on Tuesday.
Laerke added that the decision is expected to lead to a sharp drinking water shortage in the region,
On Monday, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant ordered a complete blockade of the Gaza Strip, with supplies of food, gas, and energy to the area to be stopped in response to the Hamas attacks.
I remember the first one being roundly heralded as correct by the MSM..because Putin is evil, and his like is not to be borne….I even got called a ‘Putin Troll’ when I questioned it in the Telegraph forum…so what are we supposed to think now?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-northwoods-1962-false-flag-directed-against-cuba-casualty-lists-would-cause-a-helpful-wave-of-indignation-paris-brussels-terror-attacks-is-it-relevant/5516374
The USA developed a plan identical to Netanyahu’s in 1962 intended to provide the excuse for war with Cuba.
President Kennedy refused to allow the operation.
You are beginning to sound like the worst of the LGTBQ two spirits….who constantly need pathetic confirmation of their existence…Stop it….
Do Jewish lives matter too?
All lives matter, as far as we are aware we are the only planet in the known universe where life exists. Life is amazing and all lives matter.
In a civilised society on this living planet, what also matters is diplomacy, real diplomacy that recognises the need for give and take, compromise, humility, appreciation and understanding off the ‘other side’. There has been talk for some long while of a Two State solution for the ‘Palestine problem’. Although it is not an easy solution, nonetheless, in my view, if the International community had brought expert skilled diplomacy to bear on this situation the Two State Solution could have been brought to work. As it is instead of skilled diplomacy we have had, belligerence, arrogance, aggression and dogmatism and the result is war and all the horrors that inevitably go with war
So yes indeed, all lives matter. The situation in Israel/Gaza is appalling horrific and lacking in humanity. To my mind the fault lies with the appalling failure of International diplomacy to have the strength, moral fibre, desire and skill to have brought about the Two State solution which would have avoided the appalling horrors we are now witnessing.
I have long believed that the international community at large benefits from being able to have a continuous, smoulding rumble going on in the Middle East, always good to distract from problems at home.
But certainly for the Middle East itself it is a wonderful scapegoat. Rebellion against the mullahs in Iran has been ongoing for years in Iran, saying ‘look over there, an Israeli squirrel’ – what’s not to like? Accepting that terrorists must be fought, gives Turkey a lot of leeway in its conflict with Kurds. There’d be far more internal problems in a lot of Middle Eastern countries if they did not have the convenient distraction of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians are the ones who come off the very worst, they get lipservice support from Muslim countries, but that’s it.
I doesn’t detract from problems at home. ——-It imports problems into our home. The whole of Europe is sleepwalking and importing all of the world’s sectarianism into Europe with absurd mass immigration.
Look at this. These sick bitches. Name and shame them. Even kids are deemed ‘the enemy’ when you’re this callous and demented. This is who our leaders are importing by the sh*tload, so they can spawn and multiply to bring more hate to our societies.
”The local Jewish community in London put up posters with the names and faces of the civilians held hostage by Hamas in Gaza. They are asking people to help if they have any information that can help.
The posters didn’t stay up for long.
Angry Hamas supporters quickly appeared”
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1712549584030020027
Yes those Hamas supporters smell and see our weakness and watch our BLM kneeling rainbow dancing police as no deterrent to terror.
The weak minded officers walking about these hamas supporting crowds like it was a garden festival. Yet they used force against lockdown protestors.
The western caliphates seems more inevitable in the future as our spineless western institutions appease and fatuously posture.
Weak men times.
11 downticks…JFC.
I will not pick a side in yet another war but we are all aware that the first casualty of war is truth.
Babies on Bayonets Propaganda was used in WW1 to convince a British public that Germans were animals (familiar language). Similarly, the reprorts of Iraqi forces throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait City is still, perhaps, recent in our memories
Atrocity propaganda has been used throughout time to justify wars, actions, revenge attacks and genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda
I would suggest that consider the following, why would we now start believing a media that has delivered us the Cov Con propaganda, the Ukraine propaganda and the Climate Con propaganda.
Events unfolding in Ukraine / Donbas & Israel / Palestine are terrible, tragic and disgusting. It often baffles me what we humans can do to each other. It is always the people that suffer
As Maajid Nawaz wrote on twitter today, it feels like we are being set up to accept and be complicit in what appears to be an imminent genocide
Isreali lives matter as do Palestian lives
I will not pick a side
Good post,.. Soldiers /Babies propaganda goes far back as King Herod
I agree johnboy …. While I abhor what happened over the weekend, that cannot be made right by continued violence against civilians…on either side….
I also said a couple of days ago that I will not hate on command, and certainly not on the say-so of the corrupt MSM and military industrial complex….
It’s glaringly obvious to see on this forum, that the vast majority have learnt absolutely nothing from the Covid scamdemic…
After all the lies, deception, political cronyism and corruption, to the misinformation surrounding the effectiveness of the “vaccine” from all government sources, the draconian Marxist Lockdowns, the manipulation of every single media outlet to ensure all were made to sing to the same tune.
The silencing of any academic or professionals that refused to go along with the narrative to the refusal of our so called politicians to even debate the ongoing excess deaths and vaccine injuries..
And here we are again, nothing has changed, the one hopeful positive outcome from the Covid scam was that people would no longer have the trust in world government’s, organisations, politicians and media…. So feel free to fly your Israeli flag, denounce every single thing that the Palestinians/Arabs do, cheer when the US turn up in their battleships in the Mediterranean, keep up the blatent hypocrisy, turn a blind eye to the complexity of Middle Eastern affairs and keep your damn fingers crossed it doesn’t turn Nuclear if Iran get involved and good luck, because the way this narrative is taking hold, you’re gonna need it.
No. There’s a difference. You’ve lapsed from scepticism into complete paranoia and fantasy. The very attitude that you’re presenting – that you’re somehow superior – shows you’re developing delusions of grandeur. You’ve lost the mission. You need to find it again.
Last weekend was a pogrom. It’s not made up. It’s not a fantasy. It really happened and we’ve seen images that could have been torn straight from a book or newsreel on the Holocaust put on our screens. Much of the MSM is broadly sitting on the fence, not supporting Israel at all. I’ve watched the programmes, looked at the uncensored images. I’ve barely eaten in three days after what I’ve seen. It’s shaken me so profoundly that I’ll likely not look at things the same way again.
The images are on news sites on YouTube. They’re not actors. The website I saw them on is a website that went to court and overturned Biden’s law to force companies of more than 100 employees to run a vaccine mandate on its employees.
The COVID-19 scam is one thing. The events in Israel are something else altogether. You post about ‘the Jews’ and not Israel, because you feel you need to blame someone for things, so you pick on every totalitarian’s favourite punching bag. Find the mission Jon. We’re sceptics, not conspiracy theorists and paranoiacs.
And you’re terribly lost. I wish you love and happiness in these terrible times.
How am I bigoted? Direct quotes and context please.
How am I naive? I’ve watched footage I hoped never to watch in my lifetime.
BTW, never wore a mask, never had a jab. Looking after a parent who has a heart condition because of the jabs. I’m a conservative (not the party, the ideology.)
Remember, Dom; ”When you resort to name-calling you’ve lost the argument” Watts.
There’s several on here who couldn’t debate their way out of a paper bag in a respectful manner if their lives depended on it. They’ve shown their true colours and they’re ugly. They come on here just to goad, insult and troll other posters who they disagree with, emboldened by the fact they’re anonymous and never have to meet us. Just blank them and move on. They’re toxic people not worthy of energy expenditure. I’m sure the multitude of dislikes I get for this post will prove my point perfectly, once again.
Dom, you’re wasting your time. This guy has not lost his scepticism, I doubt he ever had it. He is one of those people who believe the Jews rule the world, every single aspect of it. The type of infantile, low-intellect tripe I’ve been hearing all my life. People want to think that and believe it, it’s up to them, but imo it adds nothing to any conversation and you’re wasting your time trying to talk to them. It is exactly the same type of black/white thinking that they claim not to indulge in themselves. About 70% of the comments on Zero Hedge are like that, which is why I seldom read them. It’s a shame he feels the need to infest this board with them and insult people merely because they do not share his simplistic outlook.
You should probably step away from the internet for a day or two, certainly stop looking at those pictures. They are horrifying, so is the increasing hatred from all sides of people whipping themselves into a frenzy, no longer really caring about the real human beings caught up in this. It is depressing, but there are also good things in the world. Atrocities have always existed and they always will, know about them but do not obsess on them. If you don’t have a dog, get one
Global Jihad day tomorrow ! What a surprise ! USA in full alert ! WOW ! Covids lost its momentum & Ukraines gone quiet , funds recently unlocked by America went to Iran , said money finds its way to Palestine & the next big thing is up & running ! Anybody would think there were Presidential Elections coming up
Exellent.. I was starting to think I was alone!
I’m trying to remember how soon after 9/11 I began to realise that the official narrative was a pile of shit.
9/11 was full of questionable things. But 9/11 definitely happened and Al Qaeda definitely did it. That much is accepted. The same goes for the pogrom and that Hamas did it.
It’s too early and too inappropriate right now to speculate what mistakes, incompetence or any collusions led to the attacks. Golda Meir believed the Yom Kippur invasion kicked off because one of her generals was lazy and turned off the radio, for example. Whatever failings happened this time, we’ll find out in the months and years ahead. The people of Israel are angry at the government, so there’ll be a lot of digging now.
“Al Qaeda definitely did it”
It was clearly an Israeli/US false flag attack.
“The racist slaughter of more than a thousand Israelis”
“Israeli” is a political category, not a racial one.
And there is no more a Jewish race than there is a Muslim one.
They don’t mind nailing their colours to the mast with the potential to alienate others on other matters. Perhaps they should stay out of politics altogether to avoid tying themselves in hypocritical knots?
I always said that football should not be getting itself involved in politics. Because once you start doing that where does it end? If you are going to posture about one social justice cause then you will be expected to pontificate and pose about all others. Will we see football players soon take the knee for Mother Earth with “STOP OIL” on their shirts?
Yup, stick to football lads. Celebrities are the establishment’s useful idiots.
Is there free speech in the UK?
Fat Pig News Investigates!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIO3fJpnXLE
I am afraid I see provocation, blame and inhumanity on both sides of this conflict and all reporting I have seen is partisan.
As always civilians on both sides bear the brunt of the actions, losing lives, limbs, homes and loved ones.
I refuse to take sides.
Kerching! The globalist’s psyops team have come up trumps on this one! This is an ideal topic for divide and rule! And so many people are falling right into it – just look at the upticks and downticks in this thread!
Come on people – all lives matter! What need is there to specify any arbitrary grouping above another?
This would be Brendan ‘yes, care home workers must be vaccinated’ O’Neill (https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/14/yes-care-home-workers-must-be-vaccinated). Hardly the voice of reason then. 1,300 Israeli lives lost in horrific circumstances. 1,600 Palestinian lives (457 of them children) lost in horrific circumstances. No, Israeli lives do not matter more than Palestinians lives which is exactly the message that shining a Israeli flag at Wembly would give.