Brendan O’Neill has written an excellent piece for Spiked about the outrage mob that has sprung up demanding that GB News be cancelled, following Laurence Fox’s remarks about Ava Evans on Dan Wootton’s show last night. It begins:
Sometimes a bad thing happens and you just know, right away, that the frothing outrage over the bad thing is going to be even worse. Worse for liberty, worse for society, worse for us all in the long-run. So it is with the latest Laurence Fox scandal.
What Fox said about the political journalist Ava Evans on GB News last night – that no man in his right mind would shag her – was odious. It was juvenile and sexist. Every decent bloke above the age of 17 knows you don’t speak about women in that way.
And yet, the fuming reaction to Fox’s comments, the middle-class mob that has formed with unholy speed to demand that GB News be officially sanctioned, is more objectionable in my view. It is an objectively greater menace to public life than the chauvinistic blather of a man on the telly. This hopping-mad army of aspiring censors scares me far more than Fox.
This is not a defence of Fox. You’ll have to go somewhere else for that. It was nauseating to see him describe Ms Evans, a journalist at Politics Joe, as a ‘little woman’ and to ask, ‘Who’d want to shag that?’. ‘Show me a single self-respecting man that would like to climb into bed with that woman ever, ever’, he said.
It’s the kind of thing you’d expect to hear from a table of pissed teens in a pub. GB News swiftly issued an apology. Dan Wootton, on whose show Fox said those words, also apologised. This morning GB News announced that it has suspended Fox from the channel and will be formally apologising to Ms Evans. Far from being the biliously hateful channel of the bourgeois left’s fever dreams, actually GB News is taking this incident very seriously.
It won’t stop the pile-on, though. And that’s because the pile-on isn’t really about Laurence Fox. Or Ava Evans. Or sexism. It’s about the virtual left’s burning hate for GB News. Their prim horror that there exists a news channel that thinks differently to them. Their staggeringly entitled belief that they should never have to see ‘unwoke’ commentary on TV. The Fox scandal is a Trojan horse for the longstanding urge of middle-class authoritarians to take GB News down.
Consider their frenzied condemnation of GB News as a cesspit of misogyny. Who are they kidding? For the woke left to call other people sexist is an act of industrial-strength chutzpah.
These are the people who fight for the right of men to strip off in women’s changing rooms. Who think rapists should be in women’s jails. Who turned a blind eye, or even nodded along, when Róisín Murphy was ferociously set upon by misogynists in gowns for the crime of criticising puberty blockers. Who said nowt when Kellie-Jay Keen was assaulted by a feral sexist mob in New Zealand. Who kept schtum when ex-con turned trans activist ‘Sarah Jane’ Baker told a crowd in London that if they see a TERF they should ‘punch them in the fucking face’. Who are fine with the hounding and censure of women like Maya Forstater, Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel and far too many others to mention, all for the wrongthink of believing sex is real.
Yes, Fox’s comments were loathsome – but so is the hypocrisy of these privileged virtue-signallers who spend their days siding with bepenised people against women and then think they can get on their high horse over a sexist jibe on a news channel. Get real, fellas.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Dan Wootton has been suspended from GB News as well, which may be linked to Laurence Fox leaking a text exchange between the two of them following the interview.
Stop Press 2: Fox has also lashed out at his fellow GB News presenter Mark Dolan, accusing him of being a “cos play freedom fighter”. A return to the channel for Fox looking less likely by the hour.
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What a bloody stupid thing to say.
There I was thinking Fox wanted to be taken seriously in politics. Prat.
See my reply to NeilOfWatford. Taken seriously? I take him very seriously because he doesn’t back down. So what if he upset someone? Since when does being outwardly nice make you a good candidate for political office? Rishi Sunak seems like a nice boy. What I trust him to have my back? No – he’d knife me. I know who I’d rather be in a trench with out of the two.
Seconded
I disagree:
1). Neither Ava Evan’s nor Laurence Fox’s sexual preferences is a sensible topic for political debate.
2). The juvenile jibe which amounts to ‘I wouldn’t touch her with yours‘ sounds like a teenager who is desperate to have sex with someone (anyone) but even more desperate to not appear to be desperate.
3). No serious politician would give away such an easy win to his enemies.
Politicians talk shit all the time. Is it really that important if sometimes the shit they talk is juvenile and irrelevant? It makes a change from lying about everything.
Perhaps in a tactical sense it’s an easy win, but until this kind of thing is dismissed as a storm in a teacup we are lost as a civilisation. I would not have used his language but we’re all different. No-one is forced to listen.
I’m not disagreeing with you…..I agree Fox’s comment was stupid, but if I had a penny for every time I have heard a grown man say something similar, I’d be a millionaire…
Wrong time and place, but good grief it’s a throwaway type of comment that I’ve literally heard a million times through my working life….…..and
not something that I think is a national emergency…..…..
it’s much less important, for instance, than an entire country’s Government clapping and cheering a Nazi..something the MSM has covered only in so far as talking about the apologies…(nothing from Elenskyy himself I see)…don’t suppose there will be a pile-on about that….It’s already forgotten…
They just pick and choose the nonsense they want to report on, while not covering the very serious things going on in the world..and that is the tragedy here…..
What did Fox actually say, but that someone’s character is more important than any physical appearance. It was a crude, provocative way of saying it, but that’s what it amounts to. We’ve heard that before, remember “the content of their character”?
But having seen what happened with Mark Steyn, he should have been more astute. Clearly Fox isn’t a Fox. ——-A Fox would get it’s point across and run off with the chicken leaving the liberals with nothing to complain about.
The “liberals” will always have something to complain about. Someone has to be on the leading edge, why not him?
Because in Politics you will lose if you don’t box clever. You can still win but not if you stock up the enemy’s ammunition for them.
Sometimes you need to “lose” battles in order to win the war.
Fox puts it better than I could: https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1707303559916605788
My final thoughts, before I move on. As we have a busy day helping a girl who misgendered another student, by refusing to call her a cat. I know. Welcome to 2023. People are entitled to have a view on what I said and that is fine by me. Whilst a bit crass, it certainly didn’t merit the mega media storm which has resulted. Especially given the genuinely appalling things said on TV which pass without comment. The woman on the BBC saying she wanted to kill all white people. And countless other examples. I have been saying to GB news for months that they should stand up for themselves more against these unending attacks. Instead they panicked. Trying to appease an enemy, who will not stop until they shut down. Namely @Ofcom.
A regulator created to ensure the state narrative is persistently and regularly hammered into every home. As it happens, I am the catalyst for the great takedown to begin, which on reflection is a cause of sadness and regret, but if it hadn’t been me, it would have been one of the desperate presenters currently joining in the pile on, not realising that it’s just a crocodile eating itself, and not long from now, many of them will be out of a television job, or so shackled and censored, that any whiff of authenticity is gone. Like a nodding dog on a car dashboard. And about as relevant.
The United Kingdom is run by one political party, pretending to be two, by wearing different coloured rosettes, with the same freedom sapping policies and controlling agendas. That is why you are seeing every show on regime TV discussing this affair, and both sides of the uni party calling in unison for an end to the insurgent channel. The uni party need Izvestia to spout their narrative. Where GB news have erred is by forgetting why they came into existence in the first place. Calling themselves the “home of free speech” is a simple principle to protect. They could have easily said “whilst we find Laurence Foxes comments appalling and they aren’t representative of our views, we respect and uphold the fundamental right of free speech.”
This would have provided at least some defence and given time and opportunity to rally public support and fight back. Instead they went on the defensive. I still haven’t heard a word from them, and am waiting for the chop on Friday at my disciplinary hearing. Such is life. I own my mistakes and take full responsibility for them. The major problem for them is now they are not the home of free speech at all. They are the exact opposite. They will cancel just as readily, if not more so, than the rest just to try and stay alive, and they have opened themselves up to an unending, brutal and sustained attack from the regime and their media lapdogs. In trying to appease the mob, they have emboldened it. Which is why you never apologise to the mob.
I have worked hard to put across different stories, like the case of ST, which most of the propaganda media have ignored. I have enjoyed the lovely responses I get from the public for doing so. So it is a shame I feel for everyone that GB fell straight into the trap set for them. I feel even sadder, and pissed off at myself, that I allowed myself to be the bait for that trap by trying to make a serious point in a jokey and lighthearted way. Now I must rebuild. I’ve done it before and I will do it again. I have two kids to feed and clothe after all. On a final note, we should all ask ourselves if this is a society we want to live in, where the cancel mob reign and your only chance at existence is total and utter capitulation to their whims. Loz x
Many thanks for that tof. An eloquent and heartfelt piece from Laurence Fox. I feel sorry for him. What a tragic state we are in.
Best wishes Laurence.
I think it would have been better if he hadn’t said the things he said in the way he said them, but I do not think he should lose his job over it – unless it means GB News loses a lot of viewers. But I rather suspect that most of their viewers are not going to switch off just because of this.
They won’t switch off. ——But what is to happen to Wooten? Amy Michel will be glad to see the back of him that is for sure.
Good comment and I agree with all the stuff you are on about. I rant regularly about the same stuff. But getting yourself removed from the picture helps none of us on the anti woke side. My main point is that on mainstream TV you need to BOX CLEVER. We can still win without having to be banished in the process. GB News is attracting more and more viewers because people are realising that the wokery and Liberal Progressive brainwashing about Equality, Diversity, Race, Gender and Climate is about controlling us and removing choices. Progressives hate you having a choice because you might not choose them. We are winning——-But to win a game of football you need to stay on the park and getting sent off is no good to your team.
Well an alternative point of view is that GB News should have stuck by him.
Trump didn’t play by other people’s rules and narrowly missed getting re-elected in a possibly dodgy election – I think his failures were in execution, not in tone.
Fox’s comments may not have been worth the trouble it has brought him, and in that sense he has sold himself short.
I like and admire Fox – he is a brave man – and I too am pissed off that he made such a silly, basic error. He has the right to free speech (within the law) like the rest of us, but what he said was beyond stupid. He fed the crocodile and has therefore made the crocodile stronger.
I will be making a point of watching GB News more regularly because it must be saved, even if its presenters have to tone down their comments because without it, the crocodile will eventually consume us all.
I don’t see how he has made the crocodile stronger. The people that hated both him and his ideas still do so (the two almost always go together), and I don’t buy the idea that people will be put off his ideas by this.
If I were him looking back I would say it wasn’t worth all the hassle, but essentially this seems like a case of a mouthy person (whoever it was he had this spat with) being quite happy to dish it out but not so good at taking it. Pretty standard stuff – not overly enlightening.
What I think is the problem here is that Fox has inadvertently set the truth movement back in so much as this will be used as ammunition for the woke against us. If GB News is shut down as a result, I will be fuming. There are other broadcasters on there that I value very highly – chiefly Neil Oliver. It’s like shooting out the plane flying you or burning the ship carrying you. Yes, it’s great that people don’t back down but there is also something about being smart about how you say things and what you say. This wasn’t wasn’t smart. It was a bit egotistical boy’s own banter gone off piste and it has placed a major truth platform into jeopardy.
I agree. I’m not clear on the context, don’t even know who the woman is nor why he was talking about her anyway, but that is a really unprofessional thing to say and reflects badly on the entire GB News channel and team really. It’s one thing to think it or even say those things in private but to say it live on air? I can’t really see how he can defend his behaviour actually. Disrespectful to the woman and inconsiderate to his fellow presenters and the rest of the GBN team that are responsible for the smooth running of the show and its content. GBN has been like a beacon of truth and an oasis of sanity with reporting on all things the captured MSM won’t go near or just lie about. They need to be seen as stamping down on this sort of behaviour or that may just spell the end of what is a terrific news source for all who aren’t BBC zombies. It was bad enough when Mark Steyn left.
He sounded drunk to me and may need professional help. He should have signed himself into the Priory and had a statement issued a la Huw.
GB News did well to stand them down and hopefully OFCOM will accept this apology.
We must all seek the approval of master OFCOM!
OFCOM? Seriously? What have they got to do with it? Part of the evil empire. Never apologise to OFCOM – they are the enemy?
The emergence of problems with one of them doesn’t necessarily affect the whole lot. It may depend on how they manage it, though, especially if the behaviour of one or two of them is used against the channel by a certain organisation.
I happen to agree with him. And more to the point, I’d rather see an unguarded moment of real emotion and conviction and courage to speak one’s mind than all the carefully choreographed virtue signalling we get from all our current set of corrupted cretins some refer to as “politicians”.
Politics is not polite.
FFS, politics is not meant to be polite!
I’ve agreed with everything Fox has said in every area and respected his forthrightness. He’s opinionated and feels strongly about many things that matter to us, especially for those of us who have kids or grandkids. I don’t know what went wrong here but he’s shot himself in the foot big time. Perhaps he’d had a bit of ‘truth serum’ onboard, who knows…I’ve had that before mind, when I thought, ”sh*t, did that thought really just come out of my mouth?”, but never on a live broadcast, I hasten to add.
Thing is, just because you might agree with him in a locker room or down the pub after a few pints, talking about whether you’d f**k (the dictionary definition of ‘shag’, people tend to forget is ‘f**k’) someone because of her views is getting unnecessarily personal and is humiliating. Ava Santina can be humiliated by dismantling the awful things she says, which is fair game.
I think Laurence Fox is done. Some things you don’t come back from. And Ava Santina and her dreadful views have just been given a huge boost.
No-one’s mind has been changed by this. OK, some people might now feel more negatively about Fox as a person, but so what? People who believe in freedom of speech, sticks and stones etc will be saying “ho hum, storm in a teacup, matter between him and this woman” and the rest will be using it as a stick to beat us with.
I know he’s ‘on our side’, but, really, what an absolute pillock. Sure, those who are trying to get GB News shut down will use it. Obviously. Rich pickings.
But i agree with Fox regarding Dolan as ‘Fake’,I have turned off Dolan’s 9pm show twice last week for being too establishment, I can go to the BBC or even TALK TV for that!
He could have said a lot worse though. I don’t think this misogynist would get Ofcom approval. Actually, just the faux-American accent alone should be enough to have him banned!
https://twitter.com/CrayonMurders/status/1707120222589837606
soundofreason
You are totally entirely and shamefully wrong for the reasons I have stated here:
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/27/the-real-reason-the-woke-left-hate-gb-news/#comment-905799
The true problem is that Laurence Fox is entitled by law to say what he said regardless of what one thinks of the comment. Freedom of speech should be respected.
There is no right not to be offended.
He has not broken any laws. What he said was heartfelt. It was cathartic.
OFCOM should not be regulating people who make genuine comments which might offend.
After Fox’s initial good show on Question Time I’ve become increasingly frustrated with his immaturity. Not sure where this leaves the heroic Andrew Bridgen.
Whilst GBN was totally out of order to abandon Mark Steyn, this suspension is entirely warranted.
As Toby says, the leftist media (ie every other TV news station) shouldn’t throw stones in a glass house.
Move on please.
Suspension warranted for saying something that someone didn’t like? Why?
Suspend him for lying, or for low audience figures, or not saying anything interesting. But for upsetting someone who is easily upset?
Suspension is giving in to people who think that speech should be policed. No one is forced to watch GB News, or to pay for it.
Needed to be said tof.
Yes, ToF, I agree….but er Ofcom? No platform. It’s what they want. Time to play hardball in a different smarter way I think. You can still say the things you say (not you but people generally) but be conscious about the words.
Probably not a smart move but sooner or later we have to get to the point where people accept that people saying “horrid” things is just part of life – don’t like it, don’t watch it.
100%.
We need to say “horrid” things and stay on the football pitch though.
They had their chance to take on oFcom..and lost it over Stein.
There are several things going on here.
Firstly, society in general has become corse. It is not unusual to hear people casually using words in public which a half generation ago would have resulted in a smack in the mouth or criminal cautions. That includes language when people speak into mobile phones in public.
Second, the language in the political class has dropped well below gneral levels of acceptability. Within Westminster circles it has become shocking. MPs must know of this and so must Ministers and the shadow Cabinet. We know they do because many of them behave that way and have complained when cauf=ght out by microphones being active when they assumed they were closed. The complaint should not be against the sound technician but the Minister, MP or general politico who speaks badly.
Third, there is no adverse consequence. One might have thought that bad language in general conversation would alert Ministers to think twice about employing the foul mouthed yoofs. Seems not.
Maybe fourth, a bit of genuine self criticism might be useful. That is definitely not goimng to happen. They all think they are licensed to speak as they wish (and behave as they wish – refer a few BBC employees) without embarassment and no colleagues ever suggest otherwise.
I am so disapponted with Fox’s lack of self awareness and an inability to self-control. It may be thebway he spoke is what he has heard arosund the political people he has mixed with and it may be hypocritical of the MSM to condemn him, but they will do it because he is on the wrong side of politics.
Hypocrisy? Not really. GB News represents a threat, this is just a convenient way for them to take it down. It’s a war. The “woke left” are not “offended” – they are scared of GB News because they know that the message GB News sends out is popular.
If you’ve been watching it for a while, you might have noticed how their advertising has developed. Presumably the trade that’s willing to pay has a good idea of the audience, and we’ll see if the revenue is sufficient to keep it alive, even if some groups don’t want to advertise that way for other reasons.
Well. Bloody hell.
I’m no fan of Brendan O’Neill following his appalling article pushing for Care workers to be vaxxed but on this issue he is right.
Laurence Fox has let himself down and more importantly let GB News down. GB News of course let all of us down in failing to stand behind Mark Steyn. That omission simply enlarged their target area.
Why Laurence Fox thought his laddish comments about some woman on a News channel most of us will never have heard of were acceptable is beyond me. Bloody juvenile in my opinion.
However, why did Fox deem it appropriate to release, after the event, a private exchange between him and Dan Wootton? That just seems callous and cruel. I’m no fan of Wootton, I find his approach limp-wristed and that is NOT a dig at his sexuality, but Fox surely didn’t have to dump him in it did he?
On the subject of Mark Dolan Fox is correct – he is a complete fake. He is indeed a “cos play freedom fighter,” – what a wonderful phrase, marvellous juxtaposition. He was just the same at Talk Radio. “Yes boss, yes boss” sums him up.
Crummy and crude though Fox’s comments were O’Neill is bang on:
“the hypocrisy of these privileged virtue-signallers who spend their days siding with bepenised people against women and then think they can get on their high horse over a sexist jibe on a news channel. Get real, fellas.”
Yes, the sandal wearing, eco loony, tofu scoffing, Guardian reading woke mob – DO ONE!
This story is certainly going to colour the airwaves for a good few days. Dinage will be revving up ready to polish her tarnished aura, Prentis will be all a tizz with gleeful expectations and Off-Com will be celebrating with trebles all round in anticipation of the excuse to bung in some big fat work from home overtime claims.
It’s going to be rocky.
Fox is living up to Miri’s views about him.
Right there with you, HP. It’s bravado broadcasting of the Sachsgate style. This just plays into wokeist/leftist hands.
Thanks Aethelred
“However, why did Fox deem it appropriate to release, after the event, a private exchange between him and Dan Wootton?”
It now seems clear that Laurence Fox released this private exchange following Dan Wootton’s publicly tweeted apology to the Ava Evans girl.
You bloody coward Wootton. Knifing a colleague when he’s down in order to save your own skin. Despicable. I have zero sympathy.
But can you or anybody explain to me who this woman is and why Fox was talking about her, especially in those terms, in the first place? I’m baffled..
She was on GB News apparently dismissing the seriousness of male suicides, that was, I believe, what he was reacting to. There are some older tweets of hers going around where she’s making cracks like “he won’t shag you”, “I’m still not going to shag you pal” or phrases along those lines. Perhaps Laurence had seen these before and just thought what’s good for the goose. Her tweets were absolutely in the same vein as his remark, so her poor-little-me act is a bit pathetic.
I don’t think what Laurence said was particularly upsetting or terrible and certainly not worth making such a fuss over. I do think it was unprofessional and unwise, not a hill worth dying on. Having said that, when most of us have spent the last few years saying people need to be free to speak their minds and not to back down and apologise, it will lead to situations like this.
Sometimes those smartass quips that bubble up in one’s mind might perhaps best stay there.
Many thanks for the background Jane.
So little Miss Evans is fully cognisant with tap room humour and not averse to discussing a shag via social media. She’s beginning to sound like top class rubbish. A repulsive piece of work.
So Laurence had a go after she downplayed male suicides.
A career in the BBC alongside St Marina cannot be far away.
I don’t care about this Evans person, of whom I have never heard and pray will never hear about again.
I understand the disappointment over Fox and Wooton, although neither are impressive compared to the Great Mark Steyn.
The complainers are scum. Plain and simple.
But the real villains of the episode, again, are the malevolent swine at Ofcom.
I can think of scores of people that I consider far and away more offensive and certainly more dangerous than Fox. Never a frown from Ofcom. Professor Pantsdown Ferguson? Susan Michie?
It is very much overdue for Ofcom to be abolished. And not only should senior management be peremptoraly sacked, but the Civil “servants” and politicians who appointed them, sacked also.
Interesting
Ava Evans basically hates men. For example, she believes that women should be allowed to report false rape claims to the police without fear of prosecution. She said that the woman in this famous case should not have been jailed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64950862
In the Laurence Fox incident Evans said that she didn’t think a special government ministry should be set up to try and stop the explosion of suicides amongst young men in the UK.
Personally I think Fox screwed up bigly here. Had he made the point about the false rape issue to demonstrate how much of a Leftist man hater Evans is that would have been powerful stuff. Going all potty mouthed about shagging or not shagging her was dumb.
Thanks Chris and Jane. She sounds pretty callous and I agree that Fox could have easily dealt with this much more intelligently rather than letting his emotions do the talking. Because of this it appears this Ava woman will have the smug satisfaction of seeing Fox get himself into hot water because he’s effectively scored an own-goal when I’m pretty sure he could have wiped the floor with such a person as her.
Santina’s been a panel guest of late on Piers Morgan’s Talk TV show. She’s someone who spouts ideology unquestioningly, like it’s a religious text. A witchburner, essentially. She went after Douglas Murray using a completely made up line of attack and his takedown of her was brutal. People such as her being given airtime make me despair of the mainstream media. I can’t understand why ignorant people are asked on to TV shows and are rewarded for being dumb.
This debacle has been more than an own goal. I’d go so far as to say Laurence Fox won’t come back from this. I think this will tank his political career, such as it is, and his acting career is already over.
If rumours are to be believed, GB News might be about to become part of the wider Telegraph Media Group when TMG is auctioned in the next few days. There’s already a substantial crossover with the Telegraph. If so, I imagine there will be a clear-out at GB News, so I wonder if Wooten and Fox already being suspended might work in the revamped organisation’s favour as they can be got rid of while on suspension.
I think if you listen to the latest Nick Dixon Toby Young podcast you will find a segment about two women on BBC Politics Live refusing to take male suicides seriously / the need for a minister for men to address specific needs – their victimhood status is threatened if men, the real oppressors, are also seen to be vulnerable. They just would not listen to reasonable arguments.
I cringed at Loz Fox’s puerile outburst frankly, however O’neill’s artcle is bang on the money as is Fox’s criticism of Dolan as a ‘cos-play freedom fighter’. To be honest, I’ve accused both he (Dolan) and Wootton of near tying themselves in knots in order to attempt to demonstate ‘balance’, which merely comes across as cravenness. The lefty guests on GB News, (numbering one in every three) invariably have their IV Form views obliterated in short order so the channel justifies its raison d’etre. It’s a fine dividing line, with the cardinal rule being: “never piss on your own chips.”
It’s time to get serious and not play around. We ARE at war and this could cause a lot of collateral damage that we weren’t expecting. We need every platform we can get – it’s all hands on deck! Russell Brand, love him or hate him, continues to broadcast and he is now stepping up and has dropped – thank god – the clown act (although I haven’t watched a whole Rumble episode lately) but his absence from Youtube is a big hit. They’ll be coming for UK Column soon and, no doubt, the DS. Yes, we can all practice free speech and demand the metaphorical head of this minister or that philanthropath but we also need to be smart if we don’t want to see all the platforms disappear. We have to be smarter than them and although that ain’t hard, they’ve had a early start on us.
It’s a sad state of affairs but you are bang on Aethelred.
Talking of the woke left look at this:
“A new clause in the (Labour) party’s rulebook reads: “Neither the principles of natural justice nor the provisions of fairness… shall apply to the termination of party membership” – an astonishing assertion for a democratic party and one that is surely of questionable legality.”
Reich Fuhrer Starmer’s Labour Party. This is an uncomfortable read:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/uk-labour-starmer-growing-authoritarianism-ringing-alarm-bells/5833991
To be clear, Ava Santina’s views are paranoid, nasty and misandrist, and she appears so devoid of any ability to think for herself that she is only capable of regurgitating woke ideology. Her attack on Douglas Murray – ‘We don’t want your kind of American politics here’ (Who is this ‘we’ she claims to speak for?) – was so vacuous that she hadn’t even bothered to check the date of Murray’s book that she referred to for her attack and clearly hadn’t read it. When Douglas waspishly took her down, she did an offensive imitation of a stereotypical cliché of a black woman that was one step short of saying ‘Uh uh girlfriend!’ I’m astonished someone so ill-informed is even given airtime.
But, you have to tread higher moral ground to deal with the likes of her views. There’s a huge difference between laddish ‘locker room’ and pub chat and saying something like that live on air. Laurence has not done himself, nor anyone else, any favours, because the psycho-left will simply use this as ammunition. Ava Santina’s beliefs are cruel and insane. So take down her ideas, piece by piece. Expose them to the light. If her ideas are shown as insane, based on nothing factual, that don’t hold water, then she falls by the wayside. Instead, she’s been given a whole new platform. Now people will now widely know who she is thanks to all the press generated by Laurence Fox. Laurence has, excuse the term, empowered someone saying really awful things to spread more progressivist hatred and lies.
He’s an idiot and I’m very disappointed in him for doing this. He should know better. Playing the person, not the ideology, is the sort of left wing behaviour I’d expect of Ava Santina, not GB News.
Great points.
GB News doesn’t need Lawrence Fox, they have several excellent presenters. He won’t be missed. GB News did the right thing and suspended Lawrence Fox immediately. They gave him a chance at presenting a GB News programme, and he blew it. He was never much good at it. Now GB News can move on.
GB News also don’t need Dan Wootton. He is a very good presenter but he comes across as cruel at times, and has a lot of baggage. Patrick Christys is also a very good presenter and doesn’t have the baggage.
I know it won’t happen but GB News should bring back Mark Steyn!
I’m a bit confused with the names Evans / Santina?
You’re a bit confused about which post you’re replying to!
You’ve lost me there.
I didn’t say anything about Ava Evans/Santina, but your comment about her name was in reply to my post.
I presume it’s a married name. Or a stage name.
Ok thanks Dom.
Rumour is that the Telegraph Media Group and GB News could fall under the same umbrella organisation. That being the case, I imagine there will be a lot of changes. Of course, it’ll mean Andrew Neil will be part of the same organisation as GB News again!!
I can’t believe people are still falling for this Hegelian dialectics stuff.
Set up the thesis AND the anti-thesis to control the synthesis. It’s hardly rocket science.
I’ll be very, very surprised if the Reclaim Party isn’t the recipient of some secret fund controlled by the intelligence services.
“Ms Evans, a journalist at Politics Joe”…..A Journalist LOL, more like a Cultural Marxist campaigner. Is there any mainstream journalists left. Propper Journalists speak truth to power and are ready to expose corruption in Government. You have to go to Greyzone, Redacted, Brand, DS CW and a handful of others for proper Journalism.
This is Laurence Fox’s tweet from this morning, and it’s a shame they didn’t share it above because it provides more context to the whole saga;
”I stand by every word of what I said. If a woman wants to go on television and belittle male suicide, she is totally within her rights to do so and not apologise, just as I am totally within my rights to say that I wouldn’t want to shag a hyper offended 4th wave feminist and not apologise, just as people are totally within their rights to be offended by my stating I would run a mile in the opposite direction from women like her, should our paths cross in a bar.
It’s called free speech.
I realise that the new woke world is low on laughter and high on offence, but it’s still worth trying to find the lighter moments in this joyless new cancel culture which has been created for us.
This lady has said on air that she wants men to be “frightened” and “terrified.” Tumbleweed from the media at her premeditation and malevolence. Because it’s not a man saying it. Which rather proves my point.
You are totally entitled to find my mockery of the insane hypocrisy in this world not to your taste, but that’s me, and I will continue to be me, as a wise man once said “Be yourself. Everyone else is taken.”
So you keep trying to cancel away in your state of permanent offence, I’ve been cancelled already and may well be again, but I don’t care one bit, and I will keep defending my right to have an opinion on issues which concern me.
Without free speech and the presumption of innocence we are not free. We aren’t quite communist Eastern Europe yet. We may very close, but not quite there. It’s still worth fighting for.
So if you are expecting a grovelling apology, I suggest you don’t hold your breath. I won’t ever apologise to the mob.
Have a lovely day.
In this self censoring world, speak your mind.”
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1706946727331123591
I agree to an extent, but there’s also the matter of lowering the tone of the debate. Fox attacked the player, not the ball. His remarks were uncouth. In the pre-woke era, there were things known as ‘dignity’ and ‘good manners’.
And English-speakers for generations were know for effortlessly taking down ignorant people using actual wit (Douglas Adams described Hollywood producer Ivan Reitman as the sort of person ‘who orders chocolate chip ice cream, then complains about the brown bits’, for example. and see anything by Oscar Wilde, George Bernard Shaw, Groucho Marx or Dorothy Parker.) What Fox said lowered the tone of the debate and handed the moral high ground to the bad guys.
Come to think of it….It was something to do with male suicide when Sargon (Carl Benjiman) said to Jess Philips….”I wouldn’t even rape you” caused quite a stir in 2018.
Well said Mr Fox!
Storm in a Teacup imo. As sad as it is to see a ‘bastion’ of free speech under such an attack, lets remember GBN had/has a policy to never feature Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson and I don’t think they made much of a noise over Alex Bellfield either. Anything that is on MSM and has to comply with Ofcom is by that definition, part of the establishment.
GBN was better than the rest but it still pushes out Global Boiling, JSO, Corronie, ignoring freedom marches etc. I do hope it manages to survive this fascistic hissy fit but. meh, with the OSB almost law, all these talking points will be moot…and meaningless.
Legal but ‘harmful’ speech will soon be criminalised..because we didn’t heed the warning signs and the Canadian Parliament applauding an actual Waffen SS Nazi, perhaps, shows us their intended destination for us.
Onwards and upwards, throw your telly away, watch UKC, and you will find yourself much more cheerful and stronger & this GBN lark will be for the birds.
I have two daughters of a similar age to this Ava and I work with young women too who thank goodness are kind warm supportive and appreciative of men as well as being respected, accomplished, strong women themselves so when I watched read and listened to this woman about men; I was struck by what I perceived as her coldness towards our men and a lack of compassion to the poor men who commit suicide; instead through her words and expressions there was subtle intolerance of this male of the species sat next to her, his words she could not hear only her own lack of kindness to men was clear.
And then we have her gift of some beauty which makes her comments about not wanting to shag men, man, a man deeply cruel, thoughtless and shabby.
I am therefore unsurprised that this nastiness to men, which includes verbalising she wants them frightened has resulted in Laurence Fox using her actions and words back at her.
Perhaps until and hopefully and if ever this ice maidens heart melts, I as a warm, hearted woman? advises Abs is approached by all men with extreme caution,
I think everyone should read Miri AF on this. I don’t think Laurence Fox is on the side of the truth seekers, those who are truly against the Predators, and he is definitely not good news; and probably GB News is simply controlled opposition. UK Column is where to find truly independent news.
Is that on Substack Pilla?
It’s just on the internet: ukcolumn.org.uk
Thanks, I know that site and use it regularly but cant see anything recent with her on it. Is it from the video of 2021?
Oh sorry, here is her website: https://miriaf.co.uk/ – her piece on this episode is at the top. She hasn’t been on UKC to my knowledge.
Ta, many thanks
Read thanks
I learned a few things from her, that I had not realised.
It is complex web indeed.
LF may need to read it too! Sometimes we all have to do some positive effective recalibrating,
A very complex web!!
Thanks
Its okay to forget Jimmy Saville, Rolf Arris, Stuart Hall and Huw Edwards with his trousers around his ankles. Bad news MSM we ain’t forgotten you
So, the principles of the woke – misandry good, misogyny bad.
Perhaps Fox was responding in kind using the same SM meme-language that Evans had previously used 3 consecutive times on twitter – with one mentioning Fox by name?
The Bladerunners are cool. Lawrence Fox just humiliated himself, though no point in apologizing for who you are. But his comments pale into insignificance when compared to Brendan O’Neill’s backing of mandatory jabs for care home workers (https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/14/yes-care-home-workers-must-be-vaccinated/). Sure, respect the fact others have different opinions, but not when they impose them on others. Mandatory jabs. Nope. Can’t get past that one.
Agreed – that really is unforgivable …
What a difference a few years make…..one of the funniest reposts..ever….
No doubt the Twitterati would have despised Churchill….
“Now Churchill has topped a poll of history’s funniest insults with a famous jibe directed at either the socialist MP Bessie Braddock or the Conservative Lady Astor, the first female MP (depending on which version of the story you hear).
When accused by one of them of being ‘disgustingly drunk’ the Conservative Prime Minister responded: ‘My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.”
Maybe Lozza should do a poll asking people to vote …. would you or wouldn’t you?
..and let’s go with the consensus?
Sorry, finding hard to take this too seriously….!!
Fox has made a really silly mistake here. Why give the Liberal Progressives (and the wokery) who think we should all get our news from the BBC and SKY such ammunition? You simply have to box much more clever than this. It is a silly own goal, and makes Harry Maguire look like Maradona.
Much as I like Laurence Fox and enjoyed his GB News show, I’m afraid his comments were completely unacceptable – and he should have known that before he made them. I’m surprised Dan Wooten didn’t immediately recognise that and call him out.
He said: “I stand by every word of what I said.”
He went on to add: “It’s called free speech.
“I realise that the new woke world is low on laughter and high on offence, but it’s still worth trying to find the lighter moments in this joyless new cancel culture which has been created for us.”
The actor and presenter also said: “So if you are expecting a grovelling apology, I suggest you don’t hold your breath. I won’t ever apologise to the mob.
“Have a lovely day.”
If more people spoke their minds as Fox has done cancel culture would not exist.
Yes
He was using her cruel ‘shag not ‘ language back at her.
This ‘Ava Cold Heart’! has taken scalps in the last two days, male ones at that so she must be licking her beautiful lips.
I wish he had pointed this out.
I hope he will box more clever from now on, as let’s not forget he is learning that the nasty protagonist Mob, GOAD!
GB news should have clarified it was her own words used back and rode the storm but they threw two of their own to the mob.
Their cowering approach was wrong.
He must not apologise! Stand tall.
GB News set the seeds of their own downfall when they failed to back Mark Steyn. It will die quickly now.
Yes I was upset for him
I have just read that article linked by Pilla goodness it’s such a tangled web
Still, if you’re a Christian it’s better not to stoop to the enemy’s level.
I stopped watching Wootton and Fox months ago.
“… was odious. It was juvenile and sexist.’
i don’t recall appointing Toby Young to decide for me what is odious, secsist and juvenile and not well deserved contempt and a slagging off.
When people, like Toby Young, start… ‘of course I don’t defend X or excuse what X says, but….’ then they don’t have any courage and their mealy-mouthed commentary is empty.
I can see why he and Delingpole have divorced.
The true problem here is that Laurence Fox is entitled by law to say what he said regardless of what one thinks of the comment. Freedom of speech should be respected.
There is no right not to be offended.
He has not broken any laws. What he said was heartfelt. It was cathartic.
OFCOM should not be regulating people who make genuine comments which might offend.