Four in every five vehicles sold must be electric by the end of the decade, ministers have told car bosses, despite Rishi Sunak’s decision to delay a ban on new petrol sales. The Telegraph has the story.
Mark Harper, the Transport Secretary, is understood to have told companies building charging points that the Government is pressing ahead with the so-called zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate, which sets sales targets that ramp up each year.
The mandate will require 22% of cars sold by manufacturers to be electric from next year. By 2030, the quota will gradually rise to 80%.
Carmakers that cannot hit the annual targets must either sell more electric vehicles in future years, purchase credits from rivals, or pay a fine of £15,000 per car.
On Wednesday, Mr. Harper told members of industry group ChargeUK that the Government was set to push forward with this plan, multiple sources told the the Telegraph.
Hours later, Kemi Badenoch, the Business Secretary, also confirmed the requirement for 80% of sales to be electric would be in place by 2030, during an interview with BBC Breakfast.
It comes despite the Prime Minister’s announcement on Wednesday that he was delaying a ban on new petrol and diesel car sales until 2035, arguing that the Government should not “force” drivers to go electric.
Except he will force them, just five years later. And he will force manufacturers to make cars even if no one wants to buy them – and thereby drive up the price of petrol and diesel cars so they’re unaffordable.
When will the Government accept that the problem isn’t 2030 vs 2035? It’s Net Zero.
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Watch the price of non-ev’s soar as demand outstrips supply. They know how these things work. You’ll be forced into a glorified golf cart one way or another.
Plus all the scrappage schemes and no doubt some billionaire or other will snaffle up the spares market too. We’ll have to become our own mechanics and make our own diesel. In fact, if you google ‘scrappage schemes’ you’ll find a plethora of sites offering this service. The f**kers have thought of everything!
You may get there faster in one.
https://x.com/ticerichard/status/1704232076994605357?s=61&t=Zq12BakTlmkQzWSDaVhfTA
One of two things will happen
1) They will simply sell less cars in total – way less.
2) The Chinese will flood the market with glorified golf carts as per TheGreenAcres excellent comment.
O what it is to live in Chingland! Sigh.
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon Chinglands mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Chinglands pleasant pastures seen!
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In Chinglands green & pleasant Land.
Source: Almost but not entirely from William Blake Preface to Milton a Poem. (1810)
The dark satanic mill appears to be Parliament!
As the saying goes, good luck with that.
Not that I believe in luck …
Keep an eye on car theft figures for ICE cars, I suspect it will be a booming business, sooner or later.
Trabants were better than electric cars
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/22/four-in-five-cars-sold-must-be-electric-by-2030-despite-petrol-ban-delay/#comment-904259
This must makes me think that rather than stick with my original plan of buying a brand new car in 2029, I need to bring that forward to 2025 (say). Also, if I had the space I’d hold on to my current 2006 car as well.
Of course, once enough people are driving these ridiculous toy cars they’ll start tightening the screws, with higher fuel duty, ULEZ on steroids etc., Smoking is an analogy here.
I thought the same but I’m wary of buying brand-new in 2029.
I’d be concerned about built-in obsolescence. The car would be riddled with touch-screens / computer software which could easily fall out of tech support in a few years, or even be remotely bricked.
Instead I’m tempted to pick up a classic car.
Yes, thought the same. I’m sure there would be demand for a basic petrol car, with no more electric in it than there was in 1975, but otherwise all parts state of the art. Although I suppose some safety laws would mandate some technology that required electrics.
The end of the ICE in cars reminds me a bit of the way you dread the end of the holidays as a child and the beginning od school approaches.
You know its coming but don’t want to think too much about it. You just enjoy the moment knowing its all going to come to and end soon.
Pretty sad really the way a few nasty people have bullied the entire population into something.
Again.
And when it eventually it goes TU and the effects of net zero policies and laws take effect, the ones responsible for the ensuing socioeconomic disaster will not be held accountable.
I very much fear that there will be no socio economic disaster but rather a degrading of the quality of life that people will just tolerate. There will be even some that will convince themselves that it’s even better.
What almost everyone will miss is that it’s not about the car, the type of fuel, climate or any of the details. They will be completely oblivious to the way established authority has trespassed into our daily life in a profound and irrevocable way, cementing even more our status as serfs.
I agree, the decline in infrastructure is evident everywhere, for those who know where to look. The ghettoization of towns and cities has started, so has the surveillance of the masses to monitor discontent and speech. Serfdom is probably the most we can expect, but I suspect it will be worse.
It needs to be said often and loud. MMGW is utterly bankrupt. Nobel prize-winning physicist John Clauser has identified a rather large fly in the ointment – a massive scale negative feedback loop which regulates the earths temperature and renders the greenhouse effect irrelevant. He may understand quantum physics, but his explanation for why MMGW is nonsense can be understood by anyone. It involves basic physics and is even more straightforward than the “greenhouse” mechanism at the heart of the MMGW theory. The entire edifice of MMGW had been based on that single point and Clauser’s observations render it irrelevant.
All the IPCC models miss out cloud cover. In them it is like the world is a cloudless place. The percentage cloud cover globally, can vary massively week by week.
When there are more clouds, more radiative heat from the sun is reflected back into space.
When there are less clouds, more radiative heat is absorbed by the ground and into the ocean surface “layers.”
This surface heat, like a warming plate, warms the atmosphere.
Warm air can hold and takes up more water than cold air. As warm air rises and cools, if it has more water content, more clouds are formed. So excess heat produces more clouds which then reduces heat. The negative feedback loop (nature is filled with them) is complete and the ecosystem is “stabilised’ loosely oscillating around an average temperature. The next important point to understand is that that average point is based on heat and has nothing (or perhaps it is best to say something but to a vanishingly irrelevant degree) to do with the mix of fractional marginal gas volumes in the atmosphere. This is an important distinction because the climate zealots, anti-scientifically, try to claim the greenhouse effect nevertheless raises the average temp, when, if this point is understood, it is clear it cannot. “Greenhouse” warming and is in fact completely subsumed by this negative feedback mechanism, and the magnitude of cloud negative feedback temp loop is several orders of magnitude greater. As well as subsuming it, it dwarfs it. Understand this point and the extreme degree of “emperors new clothes” groupthink and mind capture of the MMGW becomes entirely clear.
This model is simple and straightforward. Concepts and theories that can be expressed straightforwardly and make sense are usually correct. The so called “proof” of MMGW climate science, on the other hand, is anything but straightforward. There is hand waving and condescending “you wouldn’t understand. Leave it up to us.” and data revision and models that don’t work and fail to replicate actual temperature.
Everyone needs to recount Clauser’s assertion to any and all who will listen. People know instinctively, he is right. I believe what he has said is the beginning of the end for the utterly bankrupt MMGW narrative.
“the mix of fractional marginal gas volumes in the atmosphere”
That is already enough info to understand that MMGW is solely a racket.
Yes I totally agree, but I’ve always nevertheless been a little wary of that argument, because within the confines of the MMGW hypothesis, it can be made to seem reasonable to consider compound warming, where, like compound interest, small changes have large effects over time. So though it is right, you then have another argument to follow up on and at that point in any adversarial discussion the argument can’t corner the opposition. The great thing about Clauser’s hypothesis is that it is more fundamental and intuitively right and so very difficult to argue with and subsumed the gaseous mix meaning it is not going to affect compound warming. Ice ages etc need a different explanation.
More communist command-and-control central planning from our “conservative” govt., proving that Sunak’s ‘big u-turn’ meant precisely (net) zero. This will eventually become a repeat of Prohibition – how did that go? Oh yes, alcohol consumption and deaths increased, normally law-abiding citizens turned to associating with criminals and organised crime became established as a form of big business. And all the pain will be ours, while our thuggish nomenklatura – so ‘thoughtful’, so polite, so well-dressed, so concerned and “kind” – prepare their CVs for the next ‘exciting opportunity’. (Not very coherent, I’m afraid, but my loathing for these people is approaching max capacity after yesterday’s Stalinist karaoke performance from Dinenage – I wonder if she has considered job opportunities in North Korea?)
Exactly. Meanwhile, this gets the ‘Best demonstration of civil disobedience’ award today imo;
https://twitter.com/AntiExtension/status/1704906334804816097
The war against ICE cars in full flow on all fronts. Insurers will increase their rates year after year – mine was actually doubled (although I ignored that quote and went elsewhere) and no claims bonuses are now just a joke. Then there are the MOTs which year on year are made more difficult to pass – I wouldn’t be surprised that they make it a condition for the car to be in a good overall condition i.e. no dents or dings, no bodywork rust etc. As I just said in a comment below, scrappage schemes are appearing everywhere and spares will become more expensive. Best to stock up on the things that go if you can. In 6 years time, I will be surprised if there really are that many ICE vehicles on the road unless we stand up as one against this evil agenda that is hellbent on ruining our lives and freedoms.
Yep we will be allowed to buy petrol but be priced out of it and sent home to rethink with the wife over dinner. Then once we do our little sums we will be off down to the salesroom to sign the documents and go electric in the morning. ————Government is spending our money for us and telling us which product we MUST buy aided by little nudges in the right direction.
So if people are allowed to buy new petrol and diesel cars till 2035 how are they going to be coerced into not doing that? And if they don’t do it they are going to fine car companies for not persuading the public to part with hard earned cash on something they maybe don’t want. Green absurdity and tyranny never sleeps does it?
Carmakers that cannot hit the annual targets must […] pay a fine of £15,000 per car.
I don’t think so. It’s people unwilling to buy an EV who’ll have to pay an additional £15,000 to the government for the privilege of buying an ICE car. Carmakers will just be responsible for organizing the collection of the ICE sin tax. That’s peanuts for rich people and unaffordable for others, thus clearly showing the handwriting of the groups behind this. Whatever the perceived problem happen to be, the supposed solution is always more indirect taxation.
If EVs were any good, there’d be no need for quotas, they’d sell themselves.
The fact that they’re expensive, limited range, no charging points, insufficient electricity plus a myriad other drawbacks makes it a hard sell.
If you don’t have a car and you live in the countryside, life would become very difficult. Then ‘hey presto! why not move into this wonderful new city which has everything you need within 15 minutes of your door?’ Time to invest in a horse and cart, perhaps? The Amish seem to know a thing or two!
We live in the countryside, and I would imagine that there will be major government incentives for supermarkets to increase their delivery capacity (by EV van, naturally) to us poor things who simply can’t afford to buy an EV. I can see supermarkets that serve rural areas no longer having tills etc, just becoming food delivery hubs. We will essentially become prisoners in our local areas. God knows how the ordinary working person is supposed to get to work either, because there is minimal work within, say, a 6 mile circumference of here. No public transport currently either.
I will be 80 in 2035. I had hoped to live longer, now I hope I don’t. Only a revolution and a forced overthrow of the government would persuade me life will be worth living.
When will the madness end?
When we all stand up and say ‘No’. The trouble is so many people are just plain ignorant.
80% of what, though? Number of products, or cash value? And how large is the market – just the UK or the whole lot from a given manufacturer? I think the existence of a similar scheme is part of the reason why BMW started making electric Minis at Oxford, so as to be able to sell more of something else across Europe as a whole. Be careful of what they say, and what they actually mean, and even how selective with the truth they might be.
Wrong thread
And that’s point with Sunak’s shifting of dates: it’s smoke and mirrors. If this car sales target remains in place, cars will become unaffordable to the majority in 2030 anyway. So while the legal requirement for us plebs has shifted, the market one hasn’t.
If Net Zero has to happen (I think it’s a con – at the very least based on a massive exaggeration), it’s realistically impossible to do it before the end of the century, even in relatively advanced countries. You can’t change things this quickly without causing utter havoc, bankrupting people and pushing us inexorably towards dictatorship and/or civil war.
If the petrol car end date was realistically set at, say, 2073, we’d at least have 50 years to move the national power infrastructure to nuclear. With that organised and if we start building large network of nuclear powerstations now, we might have a vague hope in hell of being able to get something set up to charge a nation of hybrid cars (not fully electric cars), power our homes securely by that date.
I begin to look at the 2050 date as some sort of slowburn genocide, causing old people to freeze to death in their homes each year, while driving people out of rural homes into smart cities, because they’re denied the ability to heat their homes (satellites will presumably be looking for evidence of burning by-then-illegal solid fuel outside of cities) and unable to transport themselves, because they can’t afford cars.
Ultimately, we’re heading for the Chinese model of people being locked up in smart cities, constantly observed, fed a diet of VR porn, birthrates controlled, fed contraceptives and pacification drugs in the water supply, forcibly ‘sheep dip’ vaccinated, our money controlled and easily removed in the digital currency sphere. The thought is dystopian, but not unrealistic, based on China the last few decades and particularly the last three years. Imagine the government had put pacification drugs and antidepressants in the water supply during lockdown; would we be here arguing about lockdowns now if they had?
It’s going to be the existential battle for the human race in this century: to be free to use technology as a tool to enhance our lives or to be enslaved by it. I would risk poverty, isolation and death by hypothermia in old age not to live in a smart city. Many people are blithely slow-marching into urban prisons, unaware of what they’re doing to the futures of their children and grandchildren. As we’ve seen with identity politics, the transgender cult, Net Zero, postmodernist ideology in the media and lockdowns, there’s a concerted attempt to destroy people’s idea of objective reality. When the ability to think critically and believe there is an objective reality is removed, people’s perception of the real world crumbles and they’ll believe whoever shouts the loudest and has the most power.
Ultimately, it’s not ‘fossil fuels’, which is a misnomer, that will destroy the planet. The current UN-sanctioned orthodoxies will kill off the human race (which is the core desire of green ideology.)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12548131/Thousands-NatWest-customers-plunged-red-money-deposited-accounts-disappears-bank-bosses-blame-cash-machine-meltdown.html
“This is a test…”
Am I being too cynical, but is this a plan to try and put more of us into debt? By 2030 you will be poor, and they will be happy.
.. is this a plan to try and put more of us into debt?
Yes.
Why does illegal immigration have to cost taxpayers £8 million per day? Why do illegal immigrants have to be provided with three star hotel accommodation, why are utilities and food prices going through the roof?
Quite simply our money will be drained from us.
I just recused myself from applying for a role in TFL which would be to implement ULEZ back-end technology. 24 months apparently. The reason I gave to the agency was that I couldn’t actively work to deliver something I am fundamentally opposed to and sincerely wish will fail.
All the agencies have this role, there are at least 10 listings, which is a bit of a downer as I would like some employment soonish.
So Fishy’s announcement a couple of days ago was a pack of lies designed to hide something and that something was that he was doing F. All about net zero and:
Sick it up chumps. I’ve had my orders.
Apologies it should read “suck.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/20/rishi-ignore-griping-tory-eco-zealots-jump-start-election/
From today’s BTL Round-up.
Scuppered below the water line before the ink was dry.
Awesome.
Hopefully huge fines if they fail to meet their targets so massive discounts possible for great bargains to be had so manufacturers can hit their targets.
But not so great news because I want an electric car like a extra hole in my head.
I’m going to build my new car with a steam engine towing a trailer of coal.
Or I might get a horse and cart for local journeys.
Greenies will love that – free manure left for them to scrape off the road for their cabbage patch.
Or I might get both.
Anyone want to invest in my new company to revive British manufacturing?
Steam Cars Horses and Carts Manufacturing plc.
I’m asking Rishi for £500 million towards our new plant in Sunderland for all our Geordie friends and “Levelling Up”.
[How can you “level up”? A level that is up is not level – its a hill. That’s as sensible as ‘military intelligence’]
A clockwork car might also become as popular as electric so we should build some of them too.
And an electric car running on a small nuclear reactor.
The version running on photo cells built into the roof and bodywork [at 200 metres long to generate enough power] will only be useful on motorways with reversing areas incorporated to turn around for return journeys.
And let’s not forget the hybrid clockwork car with a wind turbine attached to the roof.
So who said British manufacturing ingenuity is dead?
It is alright, the electricity supply will fail as soon as we have all these electric cars, never mind how many charging points we have. So the end point will be reached where the country is incapable of anything, there will be unreliable phones, unreliable internet and we will be well and truly Fu**ed! Britain will become a 4th world country, with rotating power cuts all the time. On a windless day there will probably only be electricity in Central London (Because we must keep the City going!), the rest of us nothing. On a bad day we could end up with a “black start” of the Grid, which could take days or even weeks to get going again. Question: Why are politicians either so uninformed or so stupid as to want this?”. It is beyond reason for zero gain for anyone, particularly “The Planet”.
Can’t stop laughing. They’ll be lucky if they sell 4 or 5
My best friend has just returned his Mercedes (EV) paid 80k received 50k back after 10 months. This WEF installed government can say what they like. As always they will be ignored.