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Cabinet Split Over Trans Law Reform to Protect Schoolchildren

by Will Jones
8 September 2023 11:16 AM

A Cabinet split has emerged on trans policy after it emerged Kemi Badenoch does not believe a law change is required to ban children changing gender in schools while others, including the Attorney General, believe it is. The Telegraph has more.

In July, Attorney General Victoria Prentis said that the Government would have to change the law to bring in a ban on so-called ‘social transitioning’, as gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act.

Social transitioning is where those identifying as trans expect to wear the opposite-sex uniform and demand others call them by the opposite-sex pronoun.

But the Telegraph understands that Ms. Badenoch, the Equalities Minister, believes guidance can be given to schools without such legislation.

The issue of whether legislation is required has delayed the introduction of guidance for schools, leaving them in limbo about whether they can stop boys who identify as girls from using girls’ toilets or joining girls’ sports teams.

Rishi Sunak is even said to be considering scrapping a ban on social transitioning altogether, fearful of Tory splits on the issue being exposed in the Commons if legislation is attempted.

On Thursday night, MPs and campaign groups urged the Government to go ahead and issue guidance without a change in the law.

Helen Joyce, Director of Advocacy at the gender-critical group Sex Matters, said: “The government does not need any new law in order to give schools simple and clear guidance based on the obvious fact that children cannot change sex.

“Any pretence in a school environment that a child has changed sex will inevitably mean that the school does not fulfil its statutory duties, in particular those relating to safeguarding.”

Tory MP Danny Kruger said: “Parents in my constituency are deeply concerned about the practice of ‘social transitioning’ – schools treating boys and girls or vice versa, without parents’ consent.

“For the sake of all the children, including those confused about their identity.

“The Government has decided not to legislate on the matter. If so, that’s fine – it doesn’t need to. It just needs to change the guidance for schools.

“Pupils should be treated according to their biological sex. If parents are happy to treat their child differently at home, that’s up to them – they shouldn’t be able to insist the teachers and all the other children do likewise.

“I believe most parents of confused kids would be relieved about this rule. Identity is a minefield, and many children are in deep distress. But the crucial identity we need to maintain is the position of responsibility. Can the adults be adults please?”

However, the schools trans guidance, originally promised for the summer term, continues to be delayed with no published timetable. Yesterday, No. 10 was unable to guarantee that it will be published before the election, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman saying ministers need more information about “the long-term implications of a child acting as though they are the opposite sex”.

After several scandals and reports, how much more information does the Government need?

Asked whether the guidance could be published before the next election, he said: “I’m not going to put a specific timeline on it, not least because I don’t know when the next election will be.”

However, one source told the Telegraph it was expected that the guidance will be published in the coming weeks.

What a shambles. If the Government can’t even act coherently on a matter of basic biological fact, what hope does it have in any other area?

Stop press: Allison Pearson has written an excellent column on this in the Telegraph, saying “the Tories can’t afford to capitulate to the trans cult”.

Tags: Conservative PartyKemi BadenochSchoolSchools guidanceTransTrans ActivistsWoke Gobbledegook

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LaptopMaestro
LaptopMaestro
1 year ago

Take no chances,change the law anyway.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  LaptopMaestro

The last thing this country needs is more laws making their way on to the statute books.

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

None of which are lawful since 25 Barons invoked the Magna Carta in 2001 warning Her Maj that giving Royal Assent to the Lisbon Treaty was treason, Royal Assent cannot be granted by a Monarch who has committed treason, since that act forces their abdication. We have no Monarch, just a Head of State as no one can succeed an abdicated Monarch.

We’ve not had a Regal Parliament since 1st January 1973 when Her Maj gave Royal Assent to joining the EEC thereby signing sovereign powers to a foreign organisation. No Barons intervened then, so it’s harder to prove that Magna Carta was not adhered to.

This is why Council Tax & every piece of legislation passed since 2001 is unlawful.

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago

What the hell is guidance?

It sounds to me like a round about way of making laws. Without scrutiny or oversight.

Mind you, we all know that there is no scrutiny and oversight of laws, the bureaucrats make them and the MPs rubber stamp them.

Guidance seems to me like a law for which they just can’t be arsed to go through the tedious process of making a proper law.

Ever since covid the word guidance makes me want to vomit.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
1 year ago

The Sunak/Hunt Junta treat this as they do all righteous policy, by obfuscation, delay whilst nodding and smiling.
As always, sift their words from their globalist, humanist deeds.
Meanwhile the country moves relentlessly in stripping freedoms (greenism, wokism, covidism), stealing your money (record taxation, inflation, fines).
Join the dots.
Starmer will be worse, but will at least be honest about his intentions.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago

I know the words are used in the Telegraph and do not directly come from DS, but I do wish the sane among us would stop using the phrase “gender critical”. “Gender” as far I am concerned doesn’t exist as a concept separate from “sex”, which is an we know, immutable and determined at conception. There are stereotypes/caricatures of male and female tendencies and behaviour, but the reality is complex and it’s a spectrum and has always been thus, and it doesn’t seem to me worth even starting to define what “gender” might mean. If a bloke wants to wear a dress, does that make him a woman? No, it makes him a bloke with a dress. “Critical” implies that something otherwise accepted, real or normal is being “criticised”. This isn’t really the case – we just point out that sex cannot be changed, as it is determined at conception, and that attempts to force people to pretend otherwise or make it illegal to refer to people using whatever pronouns or other words you please are just a restriction of freedom of speech.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Well said.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Surely that’s not quite right. My feeling is that “gender…doesn’t exist as a concept separate from ‘sex’ “ only because one talking head after another everywhere in the media insists on speaking as if they were the same thing – which causes immense confusion, especially in the heads of the young and slow-of-thought. Simply, “gender” is a separate concept from sex because it is “considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones” (Oxford Dictionaries). This makes it a separate concept, right? Overwrought trans types are welcome to as many fantasy genders as they need to make themselves feel better about life; but they can’t change their sex! Hence the endless confusion: they insist that they can be boys one day, girls the next, and pussy cats the day after that, precisely because they think that sex and gender are not separate concepts. Certainly there are more than two genders (for whatever that’s worth), but no, there are not more than two sexes!

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Corky Ringspot

If there are more than two genders, how many are there? It seems obvious to me that if you think there are more than two, it’s only because you think there are an infinite number (one for every person who will ever live) and that gender means “how you behave with respect to your sex, according to accepted norms of how women and men are meant to behave as men and women”. That seems to me a somewhat meaningless concept, or at the very least uninteresting, and certainly “non binary”. It’s obvious that every single human that will ever live has lived their own unique intepretation of what it means to be a man or a woman. These loonies will say with one breath that they do not want to be put in a box or category, then they put themselves in a box or category and call you a “phobe” for using the wrong word for their box or category. The obvious answer is for people to stop talking about it.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Yes, precisely – I entirely agree with all that. There can be, in the minds of those who need them, an infinite number of ‘genders’; it’s this perceived infinite variety that makes them feel reassured, rather than bound by the restrictions their probably loathed parents were bound by. It is indeed a meaningless concept, because it has no practical use. But it’s the one that both sides of the arguments consistently misconstrue. We’re not disagreeing, in fact; the only point I’m really keen to make is that telling one of these poor souls that there are only two genders is a mistake, because they’re actually right to believe that there are more than two – and this doesn’t matter to us because they’re talking about a fantasy world! What I’ve said in the past when finding myself talking to my daughter’s friends is “Yes there are as many genders as you like – but that doesn’t mean anything because there are only two SEXES!” They can have both, if they really want them – but they need to acknowledge that one is real and the other one isn’t.Otherwise life is going to be difficult for them. I feel genuinely sorry for them.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Corky Ringspot

I sort of agree but I think talking about gender is just a rabbit hole. The word seems to have been hijacked, as so many words are, by evil people who have seized upon the confused as a useful victim group to exploit.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Absolutely. It should be confined to the modern language classroom (if such a thing exists these days…). I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said exactly that: It’s a rabbit hole. I guess that’s the whole point; rabbit holes allow fluffy creatures with almost no brain to hide from the real world, where sex rules. So yeah, happy not to talk about it anymore!

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  Corky Ringspot

considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones

This means so-called gender is a vaguely defined set of traditional sex-based prejudices, customs and behaviours. And there you have it: As there are only two sexes, only two sets of sex-based predujdices, customs and behaviours can ever exist. Obviously, the total set of prejudices, customs and behaviours is not limited by sex but just by human imagination, but that’s different conversation.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago

I like the cut of this man’s jib, and I think it’s obvious which ‘man’ I’m talking about. Not the deluded pervert one!

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1699780958340403652

BTW, is this a regular sight in Leicester?

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1699196362485567575

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DickieA
DickieA
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

We were sat outside a pub “people watching” in the centre of Leicester in the early hours of Sunday morning. The chap running whilst dressed in women’s clothing was far less shocking than some of the sights we saw. I think the worst example was the attractive young lady who just squatted to relieve herself in the middle of a very busy, pedestrianised street – 2 or 3 yards away from us. Classy!

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  DickieA

Eww, nasty! Even if you were drunk as a skunk you’d surely find somewhere a bit more discreet than a busy street!
Well on the topic if that area, cannot believe I’m still reading about this absolute kack. These doctors should be shamed to the moon and back. I’d change GP, but I don’t know how easy that is in the UK nowadays, unless you’re willing to go private. These healthcare professionals have done enough damage over the last few years and still they persist! 😮

”A Leicester GP surgery has reintroduced the mandatory wearing of face masks for all patients. People registered to the Canon Street Medical Centre, Belgrave, received a text from the practice which informed them they may be denied entry if they do not wear a mask to the surgery for future appointments.
Mask wearing was first introduced in 2020 due to the coronavirus pandemic and the rules on when and where to wear them have fluctuated since. But in June this year, NHS staff working in Leicester hospitals were told they were no longer required to wear a mask in clinical areas for the first time since the pandemic began.
However the Canon Street surgery is bringing back the use of masks to help protect its most vulnerable community members. This was described as a ‘precautionary measure’ by the practice.”

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/mandatory-mask-wearing-reintroduced-leicester-8731943

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

The doctors should be struck off because they are most certainly NOT medical “professionals.” Witch doctors possibly.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

They’ve also stated their intent to deny medical care to anyone who isn’t wearing a (Chinese) fashion mask supposed to be used for fashion, dust protection, sun protection (text from the box of the one I bought when the mask mandate was introduced). That’s probably illegal.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Is not the Leicester guy committing the crime of – Offence to Public Decency?

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I dunno, standards have changed. If that were the case there’d have been many arrests during the various Pride parades. I think if this lingerie guy could accessorise with a rainbow something or other he’ll be safe as houses. Rainbows stop you looking vulgar, don’t you know? Even if you have your willy on display.🙈

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Thanks Mogs 👍

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
1 year ago

Meanwhile taxpayer money is used to fund Drag Queen Story Hour and pay for hotels full of illegal immigrant males near schools. Also girls are having their breasts sliced off and given puberty blockers with taxpayer money.

The government is fully behind every horror that is happening in schools.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Yes the German Nasties ( left the z out ) started this & now we’ve picked up where they left off !! Faces need filling 🤬

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago

Parents who go along with this SHIZ need sectioning !

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RW
RW
1 year ago

Guidance is not law. And this means if the government issue guidance on this, the entities making the real decisions in schools accross the country will ignore it, just as (parts of) the NHS routinely ignore government guidance whenever someone decides it’s about time to bring back mandatory masking one more time just to be on the safe side wrt infection control. The people asking for guidance on this ought to know that this is just a government CYA exercise. Hence, these people must want transing in schools to continue as is. Also, these process games being played here in order to delay even guidance until kingdom or general election come make it pretty clear that people in power want neither guidance on this nor law changes.

Conclusion: The Tories have long since capitulated to the trans cult. Fishy Rishi just doesn’t want to admit this openly before the next election.

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CircusSpot
CircusSpot
1 year ago
Reply to  RW

As I keep warning, this it is not about Trans but about people who are interested in sex with children having easier access to them.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

The paedos will always to attach themselves to everything structured such that it’s difficult for children to escape them while being under the influence of it.

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Butties
Butties
1 year ago

Here is a summary of where we are on Trans and other issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WjDzHfQ3yI

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