- “‘Ethical’ Co-op Bank let Rose West keep account but not feminist group” – The supposedly ‘ethical’ Co-operative Bank allowed the serial killer Rose West to keep her account but declined its services to a gender critical feminist group, reports the Times.
- “Nigel Farage: ‘If I’m the villain and Rose West is the good girl then something is very wrong here’” – Nigel Farage has publicly criticised a ‘woke’ bank that allowed Rose West to keep her account after his own account was controversially closed due to his political views, reports the Mail.
- “‘Mr Brexit’ warns ‘debanking’ trend is on the rise in the U.S.” – Nigel Farage has warned that the ‘debanking’ trend is on the rise in America, says the Mail.
- “Fundraiser is launched to appeal serial killer Lucy Letby’s conviction” – A fundraiser has been launched to appeal the conviction of Lucy Letby, with a campaigner claiming that the nurse’s trial “may represent one of the greatest miscarriages of justice ever”, reports the Mail.
- “Secret letter to CDC: Top epidemiologist suggests agency misrepresented scientific data to support mask narrative” – Documents from the National Institutes of Health suggest officials used flawed data to back their policy that masks prevent COVID-19 transmission, despite contrary expert evidence, according to the Epoch Times.
- “Story of influenza antivirals: Part 36” – After 35 episodes, Dr. Tom Jefferson and Prof Carl Heneghan sum up what they have discovered so far about influenza antivirals.
- “German judge gets suspended sentence over Covid mask mandate rebellion” – A family judge who attempted to overturn a Covid mask mandate at two schools in Weimar has been given a two-year suspended sentence, according to the Local.
- “CDC now refusing new Covid vaccine adverse event reports in its V-safe programme” – In George Orwell’s 1984, characters are told by the Party to “reject the evidence of your eyes and ears”. The Centres for Disease Control isn’t even allowing such evidence to be considered, says Dr. David Gortler in the Brownstone Institute.
- “J. Edgar Lysenko, aka Dr. Anthony Fauci” – During his reign as the U.S. Government’s health tsar, Dr. Anthony Fauci combined the power-corridor mastery of J. Edgar Hoover with Russian Trofim Lysenko’s contempt for the scientific method, writes Thomas Buckley on Substack.
- “U.S. alcohol guidelines could be slashed to just two drinks per week” – Americans could be urged by officials to drink no more than two beers a week as part of strict new alcohol guidelines, reports the Mail.
- “The road to totalitarianism” – American playwright C.J. Hopkins, writing in OffGuardian, details his current situation in Germany where he is being put on trial for ‘thought crimes’. Anyone interested in giving to C.J.’s legal defence fund can do so here.
- “Soros-funded NGOs demand crackdown on free speech as politicians spread hate misinformation” – George Soros-backed NGOs are pushing a censorship agenda in Ireland and Scotland that includes police searches of homes, phones and computers, writes Ben Scallan in Public, Michael Shellenberger’s Substack.
- “Elon Musk to sue Soros-funded NGOs to protect free speech from censorship agenda” – Elon Musk has announced that his platform, X, formerly known as Twitter, will be taking legal action against George Soros-funded NGOs for allegedly pushing freedom of speech restrictions, according to Blaze Media.
- “Elite crackdown on free speech worldwide intensifies” – From North America to Australia to Europe, elites seek censorship, privacy invasions and the prosecution of wrongthink as ‘pre-crime’, writes Michael Shellenberger on his Substack
- “Ukraine’s dreams of counter-offensive triumph have hit a hard reality” – Ukraine’s counter offensive was never going to be easy. And frustrations are now growing over its painfully slow progress, says the Telegraph.
- “Has Xi Jinping bankrupted China?” – With the sudden breakdown of China’s economic model, it is finally possible to imagine a post-Communist regime, asks Edward Luttwak in UnHerd.
- “Elections are bad for our democracy, WEF and Bill Gates’s senior adviser says” – The WEF is serious about abolishing voting, warns Igor Chudov on Substack.
- “‘Dark Winter’ is tedious bioterror fanfiction written to inspire public fear of the smallpox virus and plead for the continued relevancy of its eradicators” – With ‘Dark Winter’, we leave the nerfworld of communications majors and consultants, and enter the rather higher realm of government policy and defence strategy, writes Eugyppius on Substack.
- “Sadiq Khan claims Ulez has been ‘weaponised’ by conspiracy theorists’” – The London Mayor has hit out at those campaigning against the Ulez expansion during an LBC call-in, doubling down on his claims that they are conspiracy theorists, reports the Mail.
- “The descent into climate madness (in five stages)” – Paul Collits on Substack explains the five stages of our descent into climate madness.
- “Calling trans woman a ‘w—-r’ is discrimination, tribunal suggests” – To insult a trans woman without being discriminatory, female-specific slurs should be used, a tribunal has suggested, according to the Telegraph.
- “Vogue sparks backlash by naming trans cyclist as only sportswoman” – Vogue has sparked a backlash after the only sportswoman named on its list of the top 25 ‘powerhouse’ women was transgender cyclist Emily Bridges, reports the Mail.
- “Dylan Mulvaney was invited to audition for Broadway revival of Cabaret” – Trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney was invited to audition for the upcoming Broadway revival of Cabaret, in which Eddie Redmayne is expected to be cast in the male lead, says the Mail.
- “Alice Cooper’s rock’n’roll revolt against trans ideology” – American rock legend Alice Cooper has recently given some refreshingly commonsense takes on gender identity ideology, writes Lauren Smith in Spiked.
- “The boy who identified as a car” – The woke trend for ‘self-identification’, now spreading to schools via ‘on-message’ teachers, seems impervious to rational argument, writes Frank Palmer in TCW.
- “Why U.S. conservatives must not abandon universities: A four-point plan” – Conservatives must use the state to reform the leviathan that is U.S. higher education, writes Eric Kaufmann for Aporia magazine.
- “AI: Is the end nigh?” – The Critic’s Laura Dodsworth evaluates the threat to mankind from artificial intelligence.
- “Eric Clapton: ‘Their propaganda created the situation where I can be labelled a murderer and people would really believe that. That’s powerful.’” – Rock legend Eric Clapton talks to Oracle Films about the immorality of SAGE behavioural science through the Covid period and the Orwellian sadism of face mask policies.
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How is Matt Hancock being on a celeb show a “balm for the nation”? Who’s training who on extrajudicial killings?
“Is it foolish to think the world can achieve Net Zero by 2050?”
Still no-one asking why we need to achieve Nett Zero..?
Three graphs to show exactly why we don’t…
“Still no-one asking why we need to achieve Net zero.”
Exactly.
The presumption being that Net Zero will put everything right. The real problem is that people like Ross Clark continuing to discuss this nonsense are failing the public with such dishonesty. The Davos Deviants know that Net Zero is impossible, they know it will achieve only misery and mayhem and that is precisely why it will continue. Net Zero is simply the perfect control mechanism.
..couldn’t agree more..why do I NEED to eat the bugs? What do they NEED to make us all vegan/insectivores?
There will never be answers from them because other than…‘muh ..climate change’…they don’t have one that’s actually based on anything than their rampant power hungry psychosis…!
“The deep absurdity of HS2 diversity’s agenda”
I confess I read this article with a raised eyebrow. Yes, even a crusty old sceptic like me finds it hard to imagine how educated people can get so bound up in this irrelevant nonsense instead of doing their jobs.
“Why do public sector workers take more time off sick?”
Not withstanding those with genuine illness, I believe that the perception of civil servants has changed. They appear to believe the purpose of the public sector has flipped from serving the people, to being served by the people. They kept working all through Covid, you know. People banged pans and everything.
“Protect the NHS” rather than “protect the sick”…
It’s always been that way. The public sector is an idle parasite class funded by the hard work of the private sector.
Re:
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/regulation/doctors-to-take-legal-action-against-gmc-over-inaction-on-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
The group of doctors wanting action to be taken wish to remain anonymous. Oh, diddums, the poor little darlings hiding under the cloak of anonymity says it all really.
Hmm, the GMC allegedly have an obligation to uphold public trust in the profession. They have failed miserably in that aspect, particularly since March 2020. Too busy following the faked science and nefarious agenda…
I found this article appaling – the hounding of Dr Malhotra is despicable.
I winder who the ‘doctors’ are? Sincerely hope it isn’t someone I go to – or not as the case maybe.
Greenhalgh is the bat shit nutter who thinks masks are a good idea so obviously she doesn’t have a good relationship with facts and evidence, unlike Dr Malhotra.
And some of the anonymous contributors might be on strike to protect their balance sheets.
OK, that’s the first 15mins of a lawyer’s time covered.
More seriously, if they suddenly get large donations I would be very interested in where they come from, but not surprised if it’s big pharma or Uncle Bill. If instead they get lots of little donations I’d be astonished.
That explains it. The action is being led by Prof Greenhalgh – Dr Mask herself, the woman who wants everyone to wear a mask all the time, everywhere and forever. To be fair to the GMC – a tough call considering their awful track record – their inaction so far is in Dr Malhotra’s favour and, the longer they prevaricate, the more research will surface about side effects, etc. Greenhalgh’s comments in the piece are already untenable and provably so. It depends how vindictive the GMC want to be: if this action is upheld and they are forced to go against Malhotra, it could backfire spectacularly and become their own Brand moment.
Possible extradition for the Nazi in Canada that was given standing ovations FFS. Of course Turdeau blames Russia! The guy is 98yrs, for crying out loud. What do we think is reasonably going to happen? Justice? He’s been swanning around, enjoying his freedom for decades, just like many other war criminals. I don’t know why these things have to wait until these people are, frankly, well past their expiry date. Even the super deadly Covid didn’t take him out.
”The Canadian government insists two rounds of standing applause for a 98-year-old Waffen-SS volunteer was a mistake borne of ignorance, meanwhile, Poland is moving to extradite the elderly trooper over potential war crime charges.
The Polish government is taking steps to examine the case for extraditing a 98-year-old former SS trooper from Canada, it has said in a letter to the Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation.
State Minister for Education and Science Przemysław Czarnek wrote to the President of the Commission to examine whether it held documents indicating that Canadian resident Yaroslav Hunka was wanted for crimes against Polish and Jewish people relating to his time as a soldier with the Waffen-SS in the Second World War.
If there is evidence against Hunka, Czarnek wrote, this would constitute grounds for Poland to apply to the Canadian government to extradite the man for prosecution.”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/09/26/poland-considers-war-crimes-extradition-for-wwii-nazi-applauded-by-trudeau-and-zelensky/
I read this article earlier today about ‘Russian disinformation’ and nazis. It’s a good read.
https://mathewaldred.substack.com/p/nato-nazis
98? So he was born in 1925? So 14 at the start of the war, and 20 by the end of it? Now, I am all for justice etc, but some of these people had to decide between compliance and being tortured and killed. It’s too late.
Meanwhile, from 2020 onwards it has been clear that it’s ok to slay old folk with midazolam, and the quacks will administer anything you like for a few quid. Who is the more culpable, the old geezer or the modern crop of camp guards?
And if ever there was a modern day Nazi it’s Turdeau! It’s actually amazing how so many of these leaders have come out of their closets as proper dictators in the last few years. And what justice can we reasonably expect for the Ardens, Faucis, Bidens etc of the world? That’ll be diddley squat then..If Turdeau condemns this 98yr old as a ”war criminal” then that’s the height of hypocrisy, in my opinion, because this evil tosser seemingly gets to commit crimes against humanity with impunity.
The point is well made. When the difficulties of 2020 emerged, the behaviour of many politicians and their acolytes and petty bureaucrats led me to think that it would be easy to go down the same plughole as many German people did in the 1930s. Perhaps we are all at risk of that, by being too compliant with the latest idea.
Precisely. The link you posted yesterday with the collation of Australian police brutality winds me up into a proper fury. Reminds me of the need to keep the pitchforks sharpened. Illustrates why we spent most of 2021 afraid of what the state was going to do next. Hopefully someone somewhere will gather together examples from around the 5 eyes nations to illustrate how far the west has sunk into a mess of corruption, illegality and brutality.
Excellent comment.
When an entire national Parliament makes a mistake borne [sic] of an ignorance refuted even by the Speaker’s introductory remarks about Churchill, then it’s time for the entire political establishment to get sacked.
Ye gods – “None of us knew that Russia was fighting the Nazis in World War 2.”
..I’m not convinced that something a little more sinister isn’t going on. I don’t think there’s a chance in hell Trudeau didn’t know who he was..there are photos of him waiting to meet Trudeau before the event..all over the web.…..and Chrystia Freeland who has a Ukrainian Nazi grandfather, has semi-regular meeting with the fascist Canadian Ukrainian OUN…….she knew…
Canada has quite a few monuments to Ukrainian Nazis..and seems to be very welcoming to them…
https://jacobin.com/2022/11/roman-shukhevych-monument-canada-nazi-ukrainian-ultranationalism
This video of Freeland and Trudeau .. meeting with Ukrainian Canadians, during Elensky’s visit it pretty sickly, and if you go to around 21 mins in, and listen to the Trudeau rant..he sounds pretty unhinged?
It has always been well known that Ukraine has problems with far-right groups, and Nazi groups….this doesn’t mean Putin is right..it just means it’s stupid to pretend that something that is obvious and true, should be swept under the rug, to suit a political situation…
Last year the Whitehouse itself hosted several members of the Azov Battalion …
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/07/pndc-o07.html
The West know all this, but instead of accepting and discussing it we have the same formula of pretending it doesn’t exist..pretending it’s different…and blaming Russia..
It seems to me that for their own political expediency there is a push to make Nazism more palatable to the West…?
The Trudeau video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsTUbDJLB4E
“It seems to me that for their own political expediency there is a push to make Nazism more palatable to the West…?”
Read this Mrs Gums and your question above will be answered:
https://www.technocracy.news/technocracy-sustainable-is-the-new-code-word-for-genocide/
Naziism is the basis for the globalists Depopulation plan.
Thanks…
If in doubt, try to pretend it didn’t happen and erase it…it seems that the Canadian Government wanted the ‘speakers comments’ erased from the official records….
LOL…don’t they know it’s gone around the world…?
https://nationalpost.com/news/liberals-stopped-from-erasing-recognition-of-nazi-veteran
Looks like Ireland’s population is booming. Unfortunately nothing to do with increased births among the native population though. Crime has also significantly increased, but I’m sure it’s just a correlation. Unless they bother to record the ethnicity of who’s committing these extra crimes that is.
”The Republic of Ireland’s population has grown by almost 2 percent in a year after 141,600 immigrants entered the country between April 2022 and April 2023 — the highest total in a twelve-month period for nearly two decades.
Data published by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) shows the extent of the recent immigration influx into the country as more people flocked to the island nation than during the 2016 migrant crisis.
The latest figure is only surpassed in recent history during the years of the Celtic Tiger, a term referring to the economic boom experienced in the country at the turn of the century.
More than half of new arrivals during the current period originated from outside the European Union, the majority of which are understood to be Ukrainian refugees.
The immigration surge now sees the Irish population estimated at 5,281,600, up by 97,600 on the previously reported figure last year and an increase of almost 2 percent.
This equates to the population of the United States increasing by around 7 million in a year, or Germany’s by 1.7 million.
“It’s very difficult for an economy to be building and absorbing that number of people in terms of housing, the bits of the economy that are difficult to throw up overnight,” Prof. Alan Barrett, director of the Economic and Social Research Institute, told the Irish Times.”
https://rmx.news/migrant-crisis/irelands-population-surges-after-highest-immigration-figures-for-almost-2-decades/
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/regulation/doctors-to-take-legal-action-against-gmc-over-inaction-on-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
The only doctors who deserve to have their licenses revoked are the nameless cowards going after Dr Malhorta. If they have not done sufficient research after two plus years to realise that the injections are out and out poisons they should be struck off because they are too bloody thick to practise.
It is without doubt essential that these pharma jockeys are named. In the unlikely event that I ever get to see a GP I need to know if that GP is one of the names pushing this malicious action.
And that utter creep Jolyon Maugham at the laughably entitled “Good Law Project” how people crowdfund millions to watch him lose cases.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/26/nick-robinson-bbc-radio-4-today-programme-ratings-slump/
He’s a one that Nick Robinson isn’t he, fully on board with Newspeak?
“News Avoiders” – is that Orwell speak for “not me Guv?”
Actually Robo the Today programme is shedding listeners because:
1. It’s the BBC and more and more people realise its a propoganda machine
2. You lot haven’t the balls to put out proper journalism and the audience knows it is being lied to.
3. Simple market forces old chap – if your product isn’t good enough people won’t buy. Obviously ‘market forces’ as a concept is a difficult one for a highly remunerated BBC staffer but that’s what it is.
Always blame the customer – it works every time
Quite agree. Also the fear porn that they push out. I have switched to Radio 3. Lovely in the mornings (but their “news” is very weird).
Top notch, HP! ‘News avoiders’ though – you gotta laugh or cry! It’s just the latest version of ‘climate deniers’, ‘anti-vaxxers’ and ‘conspiracy theorists’ – a meaningless phrase from the eternally baffled, cognitively dissonanced, evil agenda and propaganda spreaders. I’m a ‘news avoider’ and proud of it. I avoid it wherever I am and have no idea of what the actual ‘news’ is other than through a process of deduction on here and other platforms.
Thanks Aethelred.
Actually “news avoider” is a sinister phrase. It suggests that those of us who have had the good sense to stay away from MSM are somehow guilty of a crime; a bit like staying away from the jibby jabs. Saintly Nick has done nothing wrong of course, he is sill a legend in his own BBC universe.
It would appear that Saintly Nick simply doesn’t understand basic economics which is quite alarming for someone in his position.
Perhaps his P45 will wake him up.
Sinister indeed. I wonder if he considers watchers of GB news as “News avoiders”. Next stop – you won’t get to vote unless you listen to an hour a day of left wing approved news so you are appropriately informed.
There’s a reason that Reuters are also seeing a precipitous drop in interest:
I sometimes hope that TNI has simply failed but on other occasions I wonder if it was intended to cause people to ‘tune out’ current affairs news.
As an example, the 20mph urban default speed limit in Wales: A bit late for the 400,000 signatures on the petition against – it would have been better before the law changed. Although it was a manifesto commitment people didn’t really engage with the issue until it was already too late.
‘News avoiders!!’
I used to listen to the Today Programme religiously every morning, probably from the mid-1980s to about 2009. At 7pm every morning, the clock radio would come on and the pips would sound. Eventually, I got so fed up of the propaganda, the fawning over New Labour, the spitting at the Tories, the way everyone appearing on there was rushed to speak in about one minute while constantly being interrupted that I stopped. I was increasingly starting my day vaguely stressed out and irritated.
The alt-media that the BBC hates so much gives me stuff like Triggernometry where people calmly sit down for an hour or so and talk. There’s multi-episode chaired debate coming up about Conservatism and Liberalism between two professors. Daily Wire recently had a two-part debate about Catholicism and Protestantism chaired by Candace Owens – about two hours’ worth. The ‘accessible’, lowest-common-denominator MSM doesn’t want to do stuff like that anymore, so why would I pay attention to it?
Erm. 7pm every morning? Yes alright, I’m nitpicking. I think we know what you mean.
Yes, I too used to rely on it a lot. Clock radio to wake up, radio on in the bathroom, in the car and small radio on the train into work.
06:00 AM for me: I recall waking to Today on Radio 4 the morning after the 1992 election when John Major retained the job of Prime Minister. It was so unexpected that I thought the programme makers had launched into an ‘aren’t we clever, we even had a segment pre-prepared for this impossible outcome‘.
I also recall leaping from my bed when I heard there had been a terrorist bomb next to my company’s office in London; I’d been working on our DR plan the previous week and knew we were nowhere near ready.
There’s actually a citizen’s initiative here in the Netherlands too, at Ter Apel where all the immigrants are processed. Crime has risen significantly in the area so locals have made a whatsapp group and they apprehend anyone, such as a thief, do a citizen’s arrest, tie them up then ring the police. I was very impressed when I watched the video. Citizens are having to step up and do the work of the police though, who can’t cope. It’s hardly a long-term solution. Decent people shouldn’t have to live like this. Cut the head off the snake.
”As is by now well known, very few of the millions of Muslims who have been arriving in Europe are true “asylum seekers,” though a great many claim to be; they are very rarely fleeing persecution and murder. They are, instead, economic migrants, eager to batten on the benefits that the generous welfare states of western Europe provide. These include free or greatly-subsidized housing, free medical care, free education (including vocational training), unemployment benefits (even without a work history in Europe), family allowances, and more. But for some Muslims, even that largesse is not enough. They want more, and they supplement their welfare benefits with the proceeds from street robberies and house burglaries.
Muslims in France, though only 10% of the population, make up 50-60% of the prisoners. In the UK., Muslims are 4% of the population, but 25% of prisoners. In Germany, Muslims are 5% of the population, and 23% of prisoners. Muslims committing crimes of property often use violence to intimidate their victims. In one city in Germany, having lost faith in the police’s ability to adequately protect the population from this Muslim crime wave, older students, and parents, too, have organized patrols and self-defense groups. More on this development can be found here: “Germany: Students arm themselves in city of Halle as violent robberies soar, parents describe ‘broken police force,’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/09/germany-students-in-halle-arm-themselves-against-muslim-migrants
Found it. The video’s worth watching even though it’s in Dutch. You’ll get the gist. Basically the locals formed a vigilante group and organized themselves to apprehend and detain migrants because there was a spate of robberies. Well who’s going to sit back and do nothing if they see their bikes, scooters and other possessions getting stolen? Big respect for showing this initiative. It’s like taking ‘Neighbourhood Watch’ to the next level.
”As a citizen, are you allowed to tie up a burglar with zip ties? It happened last week in Ter Apel, where members of the civil guard arrested two asylum seekers. Citizens are increasingly taking matters into their own hands to track down and arrest criminals. But how far can you go as a citizen?
The vigilante in Ter Apel was established to track down and arrest suspected criminals. The village suffers from so-called safelanders, asylum seekers with little chance of a residence permit.
According to local residents, they cause a lot of nuisance and so citizens are taking matters into their own hands. Figures previously showed that nowhere in the Netherlands does more shoplifting occur per inhabitant than in the municipality where Ter Apel is located.”
https://www.rtvnoord.nl/nieuws/1050669/burgerwacht-in-opkomst-hoe-ver-mag-je-gaan
The Spiked article about Mark Drakeford’s worth reading
latest leaflet
“Millions of train journeys that took commuters in and out of the capital during the week are no longer taking place, prompting fears that the drive to return workers to London is failing, says the Mail.”
Why “fear”? What “drive” is failing? Who is “driving”? People are voting with their feet. London is crowded and often unpleasant. I don’t miss it. I don’t think it is in any danger of becoming a ghost town. Perhaps this will boost the towns from which people used to commute. Rush hour was simply bloody awful, now it is more bearable. I just don’t see why this is a “problem”.
Birmingham is also not what it was
“Nick Robinson blames ‘
newsbullsh*t avoiders’ for Today programme’s ratings slump”There, fixed it for you Nick.
Elon Musk last piece absolutely brilliant.
The huge food and general merchandise store Target has said it will close nine more stores – claiming theft and organised retail crime have made the environment unsafe for staff and customers – and unsustainable for business.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html
I notice that the areas they are closing them in are all run by Democrats..and have all been involved in ‘de-funding’ the Police, to some degree or another…..?!
David Dickson
@dksdata
England & Wales – Week 37
Another big spike this week – 1,312 Excess Deaths
Excess Deaths Climbing – ACROSS ALL AGES.
We need investigations not standing ovations.
52,092 EXCESS DEATHS IN 2023 ALREADY.
Wash and repeat for Scotland. Ireland, Canada, Sweden, Australia… (on and on).
Time for every ‘Leader’ to admit what we all know.
No more coverups re-writing history by manipulating and deleting data.
What I think about Matt Hancock would get me banned if I wrote it down…
I’ll let Doctor Dr McHonk Honk say it….
Matty is a psycho…..
A Good Death?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FOkZuCNCmrGl/
Gosh, NewScum vs. De SwampPiss.
That´ll be an exciting reptilian battle.
Newscum you got right ! What’s Ron done though ? Seemed like the only Star in the Covid Sky !
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/27/gb-news-laurence-fox-ava-evans-comments/
Why is it difficult to understand that you lose when you attack someone on any basis other than their words or actions? Jeez Laurence!