NHS England has set age seven as the minimum for gender identity clinic referrals, drawing both the support and ire of experts and campaigners. The Telegraph has the story.
In details of the new service to replace the controversial Tavistock clinic, NHS England has set out how it will limit the use of puberty blockers and ban activists and teachers from referring children for treatment.
For the first time, it has set a minimum age of seven for referral to the gender identity clinics.
These children will be offered psychological support and therapy that will focus on issues that may have led to their feelings about their gender.
However, experts have warned that the age restriction could still put young children with mental health problems on a “pathway to medical transition”.
Campaigners welcomed the “move toward an evidence-based approach”, but said there was still work to be done to ensure children are kept safe.
The NHS announced last year that it would be closing the Tavistock transgender clinic after a review by Dr. Hilary Cass found it was “not safe”.
It was the only NHS transgender clinic treating children and concerns were raised that young people were being rushed down a medical pathway.
The clinic is being replaced by a set of regional centres that will be led by medical doctors, rather than therapists, and consider the impact of other conditions such as autism and mental health issues.
The move came amid growing concern about the impact of gender ideology on children, including in schools where some were being socially transitioned without their parents’ consent.
NHS England said that a new service was needed because there was “scarce and inconclusive evidence to support clinical decision-making” at the Tavistock clinic.
As part of the new approach, medics have been reminded that for “most” young people, the feeling of being in the wrong body is just a “phase” and does not persist into adulthood.
Officials have now set out their plan for how children will be able to access the service, which has been sent to experts for their input. The plans have been seen by the Telegraph.
The plans state: “Children under seven years of age may not be expected to have sufficiently developed their intellectual understanding of, and comprehension of, sex and gender to be able to understand the reasons for, and potential consequences of, a referral to a specialist gender incongruence service.”
By seven, children will “be more established within school, and education professionals and school nurses will be able to contribute to a general observational view as to the appropriateness of a referral”.
Previously, there was no minimum age for referral and children as young as three were treated by the Tavistock. On average, three children aged under seven were being referred every month.
Dr. David Bell, a consultant psychiatrist and former governor at the Tavistock before he became a whistleblower about the clinic’s work, said: “For me, there is a structural problem which needs particular caution: referring a child to a gender service, even if they are seen in the context of a multidisciplinary team, in that the mere fact of referral is consequential.
“It risks the child’s difficulties being viewed by themselves and their family as primarily to do with gender. Labelling the problem as a gender problem can easily be the first step on a pathway to medical transition.
“My view is that certainly for the younger ages, children should be managed within the context of the ordinary Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services.
“Their difficulties should not be designated as a gender problem, it is much more appropriate that they be seen as individuals who are distressed and this is one way in which that distress is expressed.”
Dr. Bell also described the definition of gender incongruence in childhood included in the specification as “dangerous”. It says it is characterised by “make-believe or fantasy play, toys, games, or activities and playmates that are typical of the experienced gender rather than the assigned sex”.
The definition, which comes from the World Health Organisation, is “completely the wrong way of looking at it”, said Dr. Bell.
He added: “We are corrupting a child’s capacity to have an imagination and imposing a gender stereotype on them.”
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Love him or hate him, he’s a great troll to these evil bastards in charge.
I’m fond of him, largely due to his investment in space tech!
It appears that all western nations have gone rogue. Our establishment politicians now no longer serve their people they serve the interests of unelected bodies be they global NGOs/ foundations, charitable industrial complex, politicised investment bank giants or globalist transnational corporations. And it is with the connivances of the deep state public sector servants that they wage their agenda against us treating us with contempt – they are the enemy within. If the AfD go from strength to strength and the freedom loving people of Europe follow their lead by voting for new challenger parties then we have a chance to save democracy, our European culture and our freedoms.
At least Elon has never driven a car into a crowded Christmas market.
Yes they should concern themselves with that. Is this the Germany that if there is a sex attacker they won’t display his photo if he’s from the ‘diversity’ crowd. To hell with any unsuspecting woman who the mug shot may provide a crucial warning.
This is Essen Christmas market in Germany. I’ve been to this market. They’re certainly not looking as appealing as they used to;
”A horde of uncultured, uncouth barbarians crashes a Christmas market in Germany.
And they wonder why the world hates them.
The longer you let them live in your countries, the greater the wrath of your people will become.”
https://x.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1870426041606373833
Tommy Robinson called it before he was sent down, but we all know the score by now anyway. ”More Islam less freedom”. I don’t think those ‘diversity barriers’ are in place because mowing people down in a vehicle is the typical M.O of your average Jewish or Christian psychopath, not that we seem to hear about psychopaths that adhere to those religions committing mass murder, for some strange reason;
https://x.com/tyleraloevera/status/1870331534688825654
I really don’t understand the reports coming out, I suppose from German security services, that the man is a Saudi who hates Islam, supports the AfD, likes Musk and Tommy Robinson. It doesn’t add up to what he then did, unless there is a deep state conspiracy and all of the social media was mocked up over night or he is actually a Manchurian Candidate planted 20 years ago awaiting instructions and opportunity. Both suggestions make me seem slightly deranged.
I’m going with what this lady explains. It seems the most likely. I don’t know if you have an account to read the thread but this short video covers it. Saudi warned Germany about him, apparently, and Germany saw him as a mere harmless ex-Muslim refugee and didn’t heed the warning. Posts from other ex-Muslims being threatened by him also;
”Despite claims made by the German press, Taleb Al Abdulmohsen is not an ex-Muslim atheist, nor is he a fan of the AfD or Elon Musk. While he may have spread this misinformation himself, it aligns with the practice of Taqqiye, an Islamic doctrine that permits lying and deception to advance Islamic objectives.
In reality, he is a radical Shia Muslim, as evidenced by his name and numerous tweets and chat leaks circulating on Arabic-speaking platforms like X. Disturbingly, his plans to carry out mass killings of Germans were brought to the attention of German authorities by a Saudi woman. Tragically, the police ignored her warnings.
The links are added in the thread.”
https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1870413236996092217
You can see that the Saudi woman was trying to warn the German authorities of this very attack back in September last year here;
”Saudi girl living in Saudi Arabia reported to the German police in September 2023 about the danger of a man called Talib Abd AlMohsen, who was planning to run people over with his car.
The German police ignored the report and acted in a stupid bureaucratic manner.
A month earlier the first report ,Talib tweeted threatening to kill 20 Germans & the same girl sent a report to the police that was also ignored.
Today Talib carried out his threat and killed many innocent people in #Magdeburg while The leftist media insists on hiding these facts.”
https://x.com/Moraqeb2020/status/1870287560993583464
Thanks Mogs, explains a lot
I’m equally perplexed. If he hated Islam so much, why didn’t he wait for Ramadan to mow down the queues of the faithful at the local mosque?
Five confirmed dead now with over 200 injured. I find Interior Minister ‘Nazi’ Faeser’s comment incredible that the suspect’s ”Islamophobia was clear to see”. So he was so Islamophobic that he totally avoided Muslims altogether and deliberately targeted a traditional Christmas market, where there were most likely zero Muslims in attendance. I mean, what sort of mental gymnastic does one have to do to make that make sense?! So you can see how this is going, can’t you? ”Right wing extremist”, just like the dreadful CNN have been reporting. The narrative is being created as we speak. Anyway, this relevant detail caught my eye, which supports my previous post about a woman in Saudi warning Germany about this psycho, and this bit is proof we’re looking at yet another failure of the authorities whose job it is to keep evil dirtbags such as this out of the country whilst ensuring the safety and security of the citizens;
”A Saudi source told Reuters that Saudi Arabia had warned German authorities about the attacker after he posted extremist views on his personal X account that threatened peace and security.
These warnings were given multiple times since he left Saudi Arabia in 2006, the source said, without going into further detail.
A risk assessment conducted last year by German state and federal criminal investigators came to the conclusion that the man posed “no specific danger”, the Welt newspaper reported, citing security sources.
Germany’s domestic and foreign intelligence agencies both declined to comment on the ongoing investigation.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/death-toll-german-christmas-market-car-ramming-rises-four-bild-reports-2024-12-21/
Nancy Faeser is absolutely demented.
I am also sure (just for clarity), that you were not calling her a “Nazi”, but applied that term as a nickname owing to her tendency to accuse everyone she doesn’t like as being adherent to, or aligned with “Far-Right” ideologies.
Well wouldn’t your typical Islamophobic nutjob target one of the countless ‘pro-Palestine’ demos if they wanted to go full psycho? Then there’s the Muslim men that come out on the regular in Germany screaming for a caliphate, chanting their hateful, anti-West war songs. He could easily have done max damage ploughing a car into them. But the pro-Palestiners would have been the obvious target because they’re a regular fixture now, which is exactly we we know it’s all bollocks. All a cover story. He was wanted for rape, amongst other things ( reported by GBN ) in Saudi, but Germany refused to extradite him because his cover story was that he’s an atheist in fear of being killed by the regime for apostasy.
He’s also supposedly helping Saudi women get to safety in Europe but he’s accused by many ex-Muslims online of harassing and stalking them. I think saying he’s an ex-Muslim atheist was a scam from the get-go so he’d increase his chances of not being extradited and gaining asylum, eventually citizenship. Once again, a European country prioritises the alleged human rights of foreigners above those of their own citizens.
“The man who was arrested for the most recent terrorist attack on a Christmas market- this time in Magdeburg, Germany- is allegedly Saudi national Taleb Al Abdulmohsen. I’ve known him for years (online only) and he never seemed stable to me. He obsessively went after an ExMuslim Saudi woman. He wanted my help in ‘exposing’ her and turned aggressive when I wouldn’t comply. Friends have shared with me that he was targeting other Saudi female activists as well. I still can’t believe this is real. I knew he was unhinged, and I wanted to keep my distance, but I never suspected he’d turn violent.”
https://x.com/YasMohammedxx/status/1870445459384549490
“He acted ex-Muslim on the outside, while in DMs he threatened ex-Muslims, especially Saudi women who had fled. He also repeatedly attacked me because I wanted nothing more to do with him after 2018 and finally blocked him in May of this year. on X”
https://x.com/AliCologne/status/1870460306851590365
It’s that, but also because Nancy sounds similar to Nazi.
Brilliantly written. Tongue firmly in cheek!
One basic socialist strategy from time immemorial is to try to undercut the moral standing of its critics.
So if you’re not in favour of whatever socialist programme they want to shove down your throat, you are heartless and cruel. And they will make that argument by whatever means necessary including calling you a Nazi if they think it can stick.
Those who oppose collectivist socialism have to do a better job of defending the moral basis for individualism, for self reliance.
The problem that conservatism has got itself into is that it has stopped believing in its own moral virtue and has been persuaded by the collectivist moral arguments.
That is how the Conservative Party of Britain has basically turned into socialism lite. And bot that lite anymore.
This just illustrates how vapid these people really are. They’ve been elected administrators of a subjugated Germany by all its historical enemies¹, they know that, everyone else knows that, and all their ‘jobs’ require them to do is – minus cashing very generous pay cheques – publically recount the right platitudes.
¹ A nice quote I came across yesterday:
I’ve recently read out an article of the French Senator Humbert during the committe session. The closing statement was “This slave race which dreamt of world domination² must be enslaved again!” That’s how the peace our enemies have in store for us looks like.
[Karl Helfferich, Der Weltkrieg, vol III p 151]
And so it was done.
² By peaceful economic competition.
“. He quotes longsuffering Government spokesperson Christian Hoffmann”
The only long suffering people are the German people, but they need to take some responsibility and vote for a change of direction. Unless they enjoy being shafted by a broomstick.
The Establishments of the Western World have congealed into a softish left consensus, for almost all parties, with very little difference between them. Of course they will try and control Free Speech. Of course they will demonize non establishment parties. Of course they will decry the general electorate for being populists. They have no other choices for if their softish left ways actually worked there would be little need for competition.
Germany is a danger to Europe again. They are institutionally socialist (communist even), they are still infected with a national socialist virus (it had never entirely gone away), and they are wrecking Europe by having allowed, and continue to allow in, immigrant Muhammadan lunatics.
And people totally misunderstand, and are deliberately led to misunderstand, that Hitler and the nazis were not right wingers, they were socialists. The left is where Hitler came from. The left is where he got his ideas from. Socialism is dangerous and anti democratic (as indicated by the evidence of how German socialists and green communists are reacting). Socialists are prison camp makers, free speech crushers and dictators (as indicated by their extreme behaviour towards Musk’s activities).
Read about Hitler Socialism. And learn that he was never ‘right wing’ Germany is heading back to national Socialism. The socialist state that is Germany’s poltical and civil servant class are already infested with communism (leftover feom the east Germans who went into politics in the post communist Germany) and they can accept no alternative for Germany (!l) Germany should have been broken up into four or five small states after the war. They are Europe’s destoyers again
“On January 23, 1939, Walter Hallstein, Dean of the Faculty of Law and Economics at the University of Rockstock, in Germany gave a propaganda speech about the restructuring of of Europe. The speech was part of of the preparation for War by the Nazi regime and their powerful partners the oil and drug cartel IG Farben”. […] “and in his speech Hallstein describes the planned German conquest of the rest of Europe and the subjugation of the continent. In due course, Hallstein became an officer in the German army. In 1938, Hallstein had been part of the official Nazi delegation to Rome. Hallstein was jointly responsible for writing a document which included this section: ‘The legal order of the dictatorial state, (Greater Germany) has the task to protect the integrity, the health and the racial health of its people…The supreme race has to be particularly protected from the Jewish race by eliminating it from society for all time’. “. Jack King: Indisputable Evidence… ISBN 9781 7939 81028
In 1957, Hallstein was one of the signatories of the EU’s Treaty of Rome and became the first President of the EEC. He was the architect of the EU Commission. He ensured the Commission was empowered to ignore the Council of Ministers on its own authority. The EU does not mention its founding father’s links to the Nazis or his determination to eliminate the Jewish race. He remained President of the EEC until 1968. He wrote Die Europäische Gemeinshaft, his blueprint for the EU. ISBN 3 430 138981. German children are not taught these facts during their education.
The NSDAP was the only Socialist Workers’ Party ever to be classified as Right Wing. It was, of course, a vile racist extreme Left Wing party.
The one problem for those who regard themselves as Democrats is the prospect of democracy.
Only those who agree with their anti- democratic views should ever be allowed to be heard.
Wake up Grrmany!
They don’t like it up ’em do they?
Isn’t it convenient for the German Establishment that the man who allegedly drove into Magdeburg Christmas Market, killing and injuring many, is a Saudi Doctor who apparently has abandoned Islam, is against the Islamisation of Germany and has spoken in support of the AfD.
I am so surprised by this, extremely convenient, development. Who could possibly have thunk it ……
Fact check:
Jonas Koch is incorrect in saying that Elon Musk, “recently announced a donation of up to $100 million to the Right-wing populists around Brexit pioneer Nigel Farage”.
No such donation has been announced, although there has been speculation that it might be.
Conclusion: the statement is FALSE.
Thank God for Elon Musk. He and President Trump will bring back sanity to the crazy world a small group of people who have insisted on ruining our lives.