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The Hallett Inquiry – Highlights of Week Two

by Dr Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson
25 June 2023 5:15 PM

In week two, Sir Christopher Wormald, Permanent Secretary at the Department of Health, gave evidence and provided some of Monday’s most memorable quotes:

Question: “’The National Risk Assessment [towards the bottom of the page] is a strategic medium term planning tool. Risks captured within the NRA [the national risk assessment] are examples of civil emergencies that could plausibly affect the United Kingdom within its territorial boundaries in the next five years… It is crucial all risks are assessed using a consistent, evidence-based approach.’ What is an evidence-based approach?”

Wormald answer:“I think it’s exactly what it says on the tin, so that it should be on the basis of expert opinion, modelling and the available evidence.” 

Question: “An approach that isn’t based on available evidence isn’t much of an approach, is it? ”

Answer: “Well, I mean, Government is sometimes in the situation where it has to take decisions despite lack of evidence, so that does happen.”

Our readers will already be squirming on the seat at Sir Chris’s triad: first comes expert opinion, then modelling, the modern version of star gazing, and finally, evidence. Note it’s not the best available evidence; any old evidence will do. 

There is no question that the Government took decisions despite a lack of evidence in the face of the precautionary principle.

What is unforgivable is the retrospective attempt at justifying these decisions using poor quality evidence and the refusal in the presence of uncertainty to conduct prospective good quality studies to generate reliable evidence. 

Essential reading for the inquiry team is the James Lind library essay: ‘Why treatment uncertainties should be addressed.’

When you have little understanding of science and rely on expert opinion and modelling, that is your legacy: an evidence black hole. What happens next is anyone’s guess, but intervening in healthcare matters is never risk-free and ignoring uncertainties will inevitably lead to harm. 

Next up. David Cameron, the former Prime Minister, did a fine performance of ‘it ain’t me guv’ when asked about preparedness for the F word: Not surprising that Dave thought there was only one pathogen in town during his reign as PM. It shows you what happens when you have advisors with tunnel vision.

He and the current Chancellor are, as one, on the same topic: contrition.

Question: “Jeremy Hunt, in his statement to the Inquiry, has said, ‘I believe with the benefit of hindsight that our preparations… were affected by an element of ‘groupthink’. By that I mean that the spread of many distinct types of virus could create a pandemic, yet our shared belief was that the most likely scenario was a pandemic flu.’

“What do you say about that?”

Cameron’s answer: “So it’s true that our expert advice was that pandemic flu was and actually continues to be the biggest risk. You’ve talked at some detail today about the range of other pandemics.”

Warnings were out there and still are. But until 2020, there was only one pathogen in town: influenza. Politicians continue using the F word to confuse everyone or perhaps because they are confused. 

However, things have changed; three pathogens are now in town: SARS-CoV-2, Influenza (camouflaged with the C and F words) and RSV. By sheer coincidence, these are the only three agents with licensed pharmaceuticals. The known rest have no role (until one of them or their kin is determined to be novel); then, they can join the list of agents for another pandemic. Beware, though, if one of them is rhinovirus, then we’re in trouble. They are responsible for much more than the common cold, and the three species (A, B, and C) include around 165 recognised types. 

But it’s OK because Clara Swinson, Director General for Global Health (previously known as Global and Public Health), does not think any groupthink occurred. 

On Tuesday, we had to don a life vest so as not to drown in a flood of crocodile tears. 

The former CMO, Dame Sally Davies, apologised to the bereaved families and presumably for her groupthink (according to her, there was groupthink). So which is it to be? Group or critical thinking? Beware, though, in these times, adopting the latter thinking can lead you down the path to suppression, censorship and surveillance – sticking with the group, however, leads to a much better chance of honours.

Groupthink must have been why Dame Sally tried to close our antiviral review down. She and her predecessor Sir Liam Donaldson (enthusiastic stockpiler of antivirals), were instrumental in whipping up the fears, the ‘influenza only’ narrative and the ‘apocalyptic warnings’. As our readers know, we have received the same treatment (plus been the object of ‘surveillance’) during the Covid pandemic.

We’ve written about the lack of preparedness for winter multiple times. Does anyone remember the Coffey plan, and will it work for the NHS this winter? We also pointed out that the answer to the recurring ‘winter crises’ is staring us in the face. So, it’s worth pausing and considering if the health service isn’t prepared even for winter; what’s the point of asking about pandemic preparedness? 

However, all is not lost: We found a point we agree on from day two: 

The KC asked, “Given what you’ve just said, Mr. Osborne, about the fact that not every eventuality can be predicted or planned for, I’d like your view on what Sir Mark says here at paragraph 86:

‘Every national emergency has knock on effects on citizens’ lives beyond the immediate impact of the emergency itself – and there is always the possibility that the ‘cure’ for the specific emergency in terms of the policies and actions directed at stemming the primary damage causes harmful ’side effects’.’”

Why, then, were the harmful side effects not part of the discussion when deciding to intervene?

As for Osborne’s answer, for once, we’re lost for words.

Osborne’s answer: “I mean, yeah, I mean, this – you know, I know Mark very well and have worked with him, you know, this goes, to my mind, the heart of the, you know, very difficult question that the government of the day had to wrestle with, and any future government will have to wrestle with, which is, you know, what is the – what are the costs and benefits of dealing with the health problem, the spread of the disease, versus the impact of closing a school? I had school-age children at the time of the pandemic. You know, closing the court system so that people don’t get their trial. You know, locking down prisoners in prisons. You know, all sorts of other things that, you know, had a really –”

Question: “Yes.” 

Osborne’s answer: “– damaging impact, and, you know, you go to the heart of very difficult sort of societal questions, of which frankly I don’t – you know, you can produce any amount of economic analysis of what’s the, you know, benefit of, you know, controlling coronavirus for a day and shutting a school for a day, but I think in the end they come down to essentially kind of human societal judgments of what are the things we value, and the truth is, you know, different human beings will value different things. Some people will say the education of the child is more important than, you know, protecting older patients in, you know, our care homes. But that – I mean, that – ultimately, we have democratic governments that are accountable to the general public in order to try and make those very difficult decisions.”

On day three, the lineup included Sir Mark Walport, Oliver Dowden and Jeremy Hunt.

The discussion with Sir Mark quickly turned to the structure of the Government’s decision-making.

Question: “This is our rather complicated –”

Walport’s answer: “Ah, yes, worrying diagram.”

Question: “Yes, diagram.”

The diagram is genuinely complicated. Try the pandemic decision-making game: follow a path until you end up at an organisation you’ve never heard of. 

We ended up at the Emergency Planning College – they apparently deliver “crisis management, resilience training and allied services.” This is subject to “our well established Government assurance of quality”. How reassuring.

Jeremy Hunt said that quarantining people sooner “might have avoided” the first Covid lockdown. No surprise there, then. In his bid for the top job, he was considered a ‘lockdown fanatic’ who would have shut down the U.K. economy in a bid to emulate China’s zero Covid policy.

But note the word “might” in his statement. Surely, this was the chance to interrogate the witness – what is this based on? Where is the evidence to back up the claim?

He added lessons from East Asia over the SARS and MERS outbreaks weren’t learnt. And guess what? He wished he had done more to challenge the favourite word of the week, ‘groupthink’, over this.

We wonder if there is a problem in the inquiry with the availability heuristic. Are witnesses to the inquiry recalling events based on how easily they can recall similar events in the preceding days? It’s why you keep the jury away from the media. As an issue comes up, is it becoming more readily recalled as the nub of the problem? All will be forgotten by next week, and we’ll be on to the next issue.

On day four, the real heavy hitters of science emerged: Sir Chris Whitty, the CMO, and Sir Patrick Vallance, the former Chief Scientist Advisor, were up on stage. 

We learnt from Sir Chris that SAGE people don’t “have the competence to assure government that they’ve considered the economic problem and they can now give a central view on it. I think that would have to be done separately.” This will be pushed to module two, but is it an early foray into what we can expect in module two – what wasn’t considered when locking down – the cost? 

Despite this, Sir Chris thought lockdowns “was an extraordinarily major, social intervention with huge economic and social ramifications”.

Sir Patrick Vallance “thought there was a paucity of data, which meant – and I say that in my statement – that on many occasions it meant that you were flying more blind than you would wish to”.

Beyond this, there wasn’t much to write about on day four. At the end of each transcript is an index of mentioned terms – it gives you an inclination of what’s on folk’s minds. The good old groupthink got three mentions, and topping out the list was SAGE, with 63 mentions. However, care homes got a measly two mentions – a lack of interest in older people and the vulnerable regarding prevention doesn’t bode well.

The website of the inquiry for downloading documents now runs to 60 pages – those interested in the findings will have to be in this for the long haul – there’ll be thousands of documents to trawl through by the time the game is up. 

On Monday, we learnt something rather odd. We’d like our keen-eyed readers to clarify our understanding. 

Mr. Keith: “My Lady, I’m extremely sorry to have to get to my feet. My learned friend knows very well that we’re constrained by the rules of Parliamentary privilege, not to be able to put Parliamentary material which includes NAO reports in a way which calls into debate the merits of whatever conclusions have been drawn by the particular Parliamentary body or anything in fact said in the chamber of the House of Commons. So I’m just a bit concerned that we may be breaching Parliamentary privilege by going down this line of examination.”

If we are reading this right – please correct us if we aren’t – the Inquiry can’t question any conclusions arising from Parliament that are already documented.

By creating a market, you have to feed it, do you not? So after ignoring evidence and warnings, continuing to use the F word and shedding tears and apologies, will someone with minimum competence and who can exercise independent thinking take over? Preparing for the expected meant the Government was ready for what the advice told them, not for the unexpected.

However, the culprit for week two – unlike last week, where it was Brexit that did it – seems to be groupthink.

Walport’s answer: “I think that, I mean, to some extent that depends on the chairing and the chemistry of the meeting, frankly. My experience of chairing groups of scientists is that groupthink is not something that they are particularly fond of.”

Hmmm – how did all the advice reach the same conclusions over lockdown if groupthink was off the menu?

Dr. Carl Heneghan is the Oxford Professor of Evidence Based Medicine and Dr. Tom Jefferson is an epidemiologist based in Rome who works with Professor Heneghan on the Cochrane Collaboration. This article was first published on their Substack blog, Trust The Evidence, which you can subscribe to here.

Tags: Baroness HallettCovid InquiryCovid RestrictionsSir Christopher Wormald

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

The Australian government is a risk to the Australian community.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Precisely. A nice and simple explanation of the truth – unlike the convoluted, twisted ‘explanations/justifications’ from the govt.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

“It’s very tragic – and as Australia bans the world’s best tennis player from the country because he isn’t vaccinated against a cold he’s already had and which is anyway running rampant through the population, everybody loses.”

Tragic yes.

A better word, I would say, would be ‘daft’.

If Australians cannot see that they are being held hostage by their irrational government then there is no help for them.

Funny how the word “sacrifices” keeps coming up in the media all over the world these days.

I didn’t make “sacrifices”, because that would imply that my action were in favour of some kind of ‘noble cause’. Instead I would describe it as I’ve been kept under what at times has felt like virtual house arrest for long periods of time and am now some kind of plague spreading social outcast because I’m not vaccinated against a cold I’ve already had and which is anyway running rampant through the population.

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happychappy
happychappy
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I don’t know. The reactions indicate that the bulk of the brainless Aussie public agree with their insane Government’s stance.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago

It’s so definitely about public health.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago

Most of us saw this coming from the off. They are using him to whip up a frenzy to stir Australian idiots against the unvaccinated. Predictably, the public are such thick cunts that they cannot see that this is what is happening.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Beautifully put, and I agree with every word.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Ditto. So depressing.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Well put. Now the question arises of what might happen to Novak Djokovic next. I am not sure whether there’s a useful global ranking of sports personalities by fame (at least, one that’s available outside the world of brand management and sports advertising), but undoubtedly he’s a very famous person, his photo gets on the front pages, and he’s not a government figure, a politician, or a professionally opinionising journalist.

There has been NO concession to the anti-spiking anti-depopulationist point of view in any country I am aware of. This is perhaps stating the obvious.

Do you reckon he will be jailed, either in Australia (for the false statement on the immigration form) or in Serbia (for breaching isolation rules)?

To judge only by what’s being said at the moment by Serbian figures up to and including prime minister Ana Brnabic, it doesn’t look as though this man who is hailed as a “national hero” for his tennis successes will be jailed in Serbia…

But Big Pharma could eat Brnabic for breakfast…and on an international level Djokovic might be held to constitute a suitable “example” to be doled out a humiliation pour encourager les autres.

Good luck to him.

What I’d like him to say is “F*** tennis. F*** the Australian government. My health comes first.”

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

There was a story about an Australian who was put in that internment camp for lying to the authorities. I don’t know if they can do it to foreign nationals (and outside of the Northern territory).

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Yes, either that or they don’t want to see.

They’re loudly applauding this, ignoring the rule of law completely.

The Australian Government purposefully entrapped Djokovic.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

He might have been better to boycott the whole thing from the get go. On the other side of the coin he has shown them up to the whole world for what they are and what a total farce the whole thing is.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

If I was him, I’d leave now. While he still can.

Stuff ’em!

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

If he is deported, I hope at least a handful of players withdraw from the AO in protest – I suppose his fellow Serbs might, but I bet most don’t.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

The regime in Australia has closed the country!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Their paper tyrants seem to be going the full Nazi – must be a turn-on for them in their pointless, sad lives.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Clearly the others who are still in the Aussie prison camp will have been jabbed with the “poison death shots” and will no longer be in full control of their faculties.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

No longer be in charge of their faculties….Yes, or their all-important bodies. Let’s hope not too many of the fully punctured collapse on court. I was tempted to say the opposite but one must be charitable, even if the Australian government doesn’t seem to know the meaning of the word.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Oh how I wish players (and others) got behind him in a Big way. Can but dream.

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X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Yes. I don’t see any point in flogging the horse – it’s an ex-horse. But also, surely they must by now have comprehensively exorcised from Novak any desire to remain/play there?

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

yeah before they put him in one of those CCP inspired “quarantine” camps.

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D B
D B
3 years ago

Frustratingly, the lie on his immigration form is the damning issue here, why would he make such a claim that could give them an opportunity to deport him.

They’re mental, despotic, tyrannical maniacs out there – the old adage about being descendants of prison guards really is shining through.

Unsurprisingly the world press is not focussing on the ridiculous notion that ONE man, who is naturally immune (presumably to the Omicron wave given when he had his infection) could possibly be a danger to the whole of AUSTRALIA! Where presumably more Vaxx deaths have occurred than Covid deaths.

The poor souls of Australia have been so brainwashed that they cannot see it for trying. Will they ever recover?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  D B

The brainwashed ones are those who actually believe he had a ‘covid’ infection.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  D B

I don’t think they retain the brain cells left to calculate the risk of him infecting anyone with anything lethal. Too many figures (and most of them after the dot- ‘strewth!)

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HaylingDave
HaylingDave
3 years ago
Reply to  D B

Hmmmm, yes, I’d agree.

Yes, it should NEVER have gotten to this point regarding a fixed requirement to expose personal medical details (with regards to a minor health issue) to enter a country, if all other requirements have been met.

Yes, the Australian “government”‘s move is punitive, childish, petty and barely worthy of the actions of a tin-pot, fascist dictator .. let alone a supposedly democratic country.

But, *IF* he did lie on his application, I’m not quite sure what to say to be honest. If I was fully vaccinated, but lied on my Oz visa application about a subject of high interest and scrutiny, I would have to accept the circumstance.

Just my 2 pence.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  D B

The world should boycott Australia and all its products.

If only they had a Head of State capable of intervening.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

“For Djokovic to get the outcomes he needs to play would be extremely difficult to obtain over the weekend,” Mr Bone said.

In other words…

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Dave Bollocks
Dave Bollocks
3 years ago

An online poll by News Corp found that 83% favoured the Government trying to deport the player.

If this is indeed true and not just another fake poll, then most (but not all) of the Aussie population deserve everything they get.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

Don’t worry they really will!

PLUS the survivors will be lumped with a huge bill

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

Like so many around the world, they’ve been fed misinformation by official sources for the last 2 years (particularly since vaccination started) and they’re now so brainwashed that they can’t think critically of the decisions that have been made.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

They’re brainwashed into not thinking critically from kindergarten, and in practically all dealings with authority figures and opinion channellers.

Some may baulk when they read this, but they only have to ask themselves what proportion of the population they reckon is in the habit of assessing critically what they are told by authority figures.

There was already such a huge level of gullibility that was not being capitalised upon but now is. Or at least some of it is. There’s much more to come.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

Mass formation psychosis (I think in this case adding the latter word is completely appropriate).
Sooo predictable.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hating-novak-has-become-national-sport-australia
“We have to hate him… If Novak is not the devil, then we are all fools – fools for acquiescing to increasingly nonsensical demands and fools for agreeing to endlessly shifting Covid goal posts.”

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

A Dirty Digger Poll – really?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

If Australia really cared about the ‘public interest’ it would stop jabbing Australian children with an experimental ‘vaccine’ they don’t need, that will do only harm.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

It isn’t Australia is it ? It’s a deranged or bought-out Fascist Clique no-one knows how to get rid of.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

What he did in Serbia was, presumably, not against Serbian law. He’s not subject to Australian law in Serbia, is he?

The Australians are going to look very foolish shortly as they continue to crack down while in North America and the UK the entire narrative is starting to collapse.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The narrative collapsed before it had even got off the ground. The only thing keeping the tyranny going is force exercised through administrative, judicial and physical avenues.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

And Morons like the Australian and Welsh Governments

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

That’s an “at what point did he enter the country?” argument, but if a person attempts to immigrate (i.e. attempts to pass the immigration post) having made false statements in order to obtain permission to immigrate then they can be convicted under that country’s law.

Incidentally there is talk of a possible conviction in Serbia for breaching isolation law – not connected with matters Strilian.

The Australian authorities appear to be playing cat and mouse with him.

Out of interest, what are the easiest Australian investments in Britain, or exports here, that supporters of Djokovic could target? Clydesdale Bank used to be Australian-owned but they aren’t any more… There’s got to be something bigger than Vegemite.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I don’t think the Australian government (national and state) cares two hoots what the rest of the world think. They were already anal about who or what came into the country long before the Covid debacle which has simply added another layer of bureaucracy in order to go there. Ironically, before covid many around the world admired the Australians tough stance on such matters and of course covidians still do.

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over-it
over-it
3 years ago

I’m Aussie & I hope Australia loses the right to host the tournament. It’s a petty witch hunt and everyone is frothing at the mouth to have him booted. Who would want to come here and abide by these nutjobs demands in future years?

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  over-it

They are no longer a sporting nation; what they have done is definitely not cricket!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

We need to bring back Bodyline then!

Where is Harold Larwood?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago

He tested positive using a procedure that is 97% inaccurate and cant tell the difference between a computer generated (in silico) ‘covid’ genome sequence and the common cold. Any further questions?

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

No that will be all, thanks.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Plus the evidence for non-symptomatic spread seems to be effectively non-existent. The Australian government must surely know that very simple fact by now. If not, why not? Isn’t their function to govern using the best knowledge available?

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

It exists.
But mainly if not only for and amongst the gene-therapied, who thereby artificially suppressed their symptoms.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Tossers.

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

Disclaimer. I’m Australian. Born and raised there. Haven’t lived there though in over a decade. With that out of the way, and just so no one accuses me of racism whatever, fuck Australia. A land of cultureless sport-obsessed stupid people. A nation of mental pygmies. A brittle, rough, coarse country where fitting in is the only option. COVID has shown that the government of Australia is a bunch of clueless faceless gutless nobodies but worse than that, the people who are governed are no better, a braying bitter mob of identikit thinkers cut adrift from history by their island prison. Ok, maybe there are some exceptions, bloke I once met in a pub in the 90s at one point was ok, and there was a woman I knew in the 80s, but yeah, other than that, they are a nation of Dave Warner’s, goofy teeth, no moral compass, where’s the pub. Did I go too far? Or not far enough.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I lived there in my 20s, Perth and Brisbane predominantly. Finding it hard to disagree with you, I found it culturally homogenous and sterile, and many people uninformed, boring (men much more than women), and complacent. Thinking about everything that’s happened there these last two years, I can’t say I’m surprised. They were sitting ducks.

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jwills
jwills
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Always has been a nanny state. Police pulled me and missus over on bikes for lack of helmets. Literally riding along the water.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

So, Neighbours basically?

More pertinently what accounts for the intensity of covidianism and the widespread collaboration?

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Nowhere near fa enough

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Police state says public’s sacrifices must be respected. Public was being sacrificed, not willingly sacrificing!

On the logic of revoking his visa, unvaxxed Aussies should be exiled from their country as they are health ‘risk’ to others.

Madness reigns.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

What sacrifices are these? The jabs are ‘safe and effective’, aren’t they? No sacrifice (/sarc) in taking those, then!
Other sacrifices? Lockdowns and social distancing? Well, these were imposed on the unjabbed, too!

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

We should welcome the unvaxxed from every country. We need people who can think for themselves, not the brainwashed zombies.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

Can any noble Aussie get off the island of doom?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

An interesting study of how skilled demagogues can stir up conflict and instill hate and xenophobia in supposedly reasonable people practically about nothing.

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

The Australian government is saying he is a health risk.
Novak is one of the fittest and healthiest individuals on the planet.
He also has natural immunity and is no threat to anyone.
This is fascism.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

For all of their talk of ‘follow the science’ in 2020, politicians seem very keen to ignore the science now.

It is almost as if they don’t want anyone to think they’ve made any dreadful mistakes that will have harmed their country’s population and economy for years to come.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Aussie PM: ‘every Australian is suffering under these pointless, illogical, draconian rules so why shouldn’t you?’

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

The scary thing is that that kind of snarling deranged vicious “argument” – which is incapable of standing up morally or logically – DOES get accepted by a lot of people.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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jwills
jwills
3 years ago

The betting markets seem to know something we don’t. He’s only slipped to 2nd favourite on Betfair exchange. He’s been favourite for the whole saga even before the court hearing.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  jwills

Perhaps he’ll be allowed to play by Zoom from his prison cell?

(In 1965 Bobby Fischer was denied permission by the US government to travel to Cuba to play in a chess tournament, so he participated by telex.)

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Playing chess by mail has a long history.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Sacrifices must be respected?

Gibbering totalitarian imbecile, a man who hasn’t actually got Covid is no threat to them, what you have done, Bozo, is indulge in moronic theatre.

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caravaggio57
caravaggio57
3 years ago

Australian government puts in order for more JCBs to ensure the holes can continue to be dug. Whatever we may think of the cabal of cretins in Westminster there is no doubt the Australian leaders seem to have a collective IQ in single figures.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Australians are the new WW2 Germans.

Excepting resistance.

Last edited 3 years ago by BS665
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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

No that’s unfair. They didn’t start this. More like apartheid South Africans crossed with Vichy French.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

Reading the comments sections of Times, Telegraph and Guardian lead me to the conclusion that a poll in the UK would have a similar 83% number in favour of the Oz Govt.
There appears to be a combination of pure hatred of Djokovic , I think from tennis fans of Federer and Nadal who don’t want him to exceed their favourite’s slam total; and pure hatred of anyone getting round the restrictions they hold so dear.
‘Lets burn the witch’ has become the norm, so-called civilisation is skin deep. Its going to take a long time for this to be reversed, if its ever allowed to be.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

There is an appalling level of nastiness, such that I am tempted to believe those who thinks the shots can cause blood clots to get into the brain and remove the ability to access the higher functions, thereby making people more animalistic and aggressive. If that is so I observe that they also become smug and sanctimonious as well, from the sheer effort they went to- in unquestioningly accepting the main narrative, and going to sit on a chair and be injected. Only dead fish float downstream, but they don’t know that.

My children when young were given badges and stickers for being brave at the doctor’s, and I was delighted. But these are adults who want goodies and privileges over others and good boy and girl star stickers. That is truly repellent and infantile.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

neoteny is encouraged when breeding pets.

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arthur.c
arthur.c
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

The nastiness is moving towards pure hate-mongering now. The visceral hatred towards unvaccinated folks can only be described as the product of a mindset similar to that found in religious fundamentalists. Having bought into the covid charade so intensely, when confronted with unpleasant facts about their new religion, or worse, by Unbelievers, these people lash out viciously. The irony is that many of them are the kind of people who used to protest virulently about “hate speech” & the excesses of Big Pharma.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

His crime is that he failed the attitude test. Instead of bending the knee, he looked them in the eye and didn’t flinch.

That is intolerable. An example must be set.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago

Meanwhile:
Nothing to see here, move along. Multiple professional tennis players abandon their shot at the title in Australia before competition had started.
It’s the heat, apparently. Or the air quality. Only this year though.
Its a mystery!🤔

https://freewestmedia.com/2022/01/10/three-players-drop-out-of-australian-open-with-chest-issues-while-djokovic-awaits-his-fate/

“Three players drop out of Australian Open with chest issues while Djokovic awaits his fate

Several fully vaccinated tennis players participating in the Australian Open qualifying rounds have complained about tiredness and breathing problems.”

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

said last week this would happen and they would blame it on the heat. Quelle surprise and the tournament itself hasn’t even begun. Wait until someone drops on centre court

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Mogwai
Mogwai
3 years ago

Didn’t Nadal also test positive just last month? And if so, was he actually jabbed prior to that positive test? I’m assuming so based on his comments about vaccines recently. Therefore he’s advocating the taking of these “vaccines” when he’s proof that they demonstrably don’t do shit! I’m wondering which fellow tennis players are going to be outspoken in their disgust at this decision against Novak. I won’t hold my breath…

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Serbia should send a few members of the “Black Hand” to Australia – that should see ‘everything taken care of’.

Just think, Truss has just signed a “deal” with these criminals!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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PatrickF
PatrickF
3 years ago

Djokovic maybe a risk to public health. He may also be a child molester, rapist, murderer, racist, homophobe, or any thing else you care to smear him, or any other person on the planet, with.

Last edited 3 years ago by PatrickF
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Mogwai
Mogwai
3 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Oh I’m sure the paedos released into the community have more rights than Novak. All they need to do is play the game and stay compliant. Probably full-time masking works in their, and other criminal’s, favour.

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Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago

Time to ban Australians from the rest of the world.

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Teddy Edward
Teddy Edward
3 years ago

He plays his little part within a couple of days he will have the saline and be able to hit a white ball over a net to make stratch.Prior to that catch him photographed with a child crisis actor in a Covidian Manger.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago

Well, it’s gone down to a tie-breaker.

The rule of law hasn’t totally succumbed to Covidmania in Australia, yet. Ministers can’t just arbitrarily decide who gets to enter or be deported from Australia depending on the political needs of the day. So, Djokovic’s lawyer, Nick Wood, is appealing the decision of the Immigration Minister, Alex Hawke, to cancel Djokovic’s visa and send him packing. Wood is applying to the Federal Circuit Court of Australia to direct the minister to grant the Serbian star a new bridging visa that would enable him to play in the Australian Open while a court considers Djokovic’s appeal. Any appeal will take some time. The Serbian can’t be deported while he mounts a legal challenge.

Wood told a hastily-convened court hearing that Hawke had cancelled the visa on the grounds that allowing Djokovic to stay in Australia would excite “anti-vax sentiment” in the community but that this was “patently irrational” since deporting Djokovic could also stir up ‘anti-vax’ sentiment.  The ‘anti-vax’ thinking behind the Minister’s decision is at the core of the “public interest” grounds for cancelling the visa but ‘public interest’ is notoriously ill-defined, a real lawyers’ picnic, and such ‘public interest’ cases (except for, say, psychopathic axe-murderers or bikie-gang crime-lords) under Australian law are terribly complex.

If the court agrees to this, then the tournament, which starts on Monday (Djokovic is drawn to play a fellow Serb in Round 1), will proceed with the World No. 1 participating whilst the lawyers battle out arcane points of law and precedent on the legal benches, but it’s all speculation at this stage.

What is not speculation is he abysmal state of Covid Oz. Our useless ‘Liberal’ Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, whose primary political principle is ‘Do my disapproval ratings look big in this?’ has gone with the mob and signed off (or ordered) his Minister’s witch-hunt against the world’s most prominent Covid dissident because 83% of Covid-terrified Australian citizens see Djokovic = Public Enemy No. 1. Their minds have been royally Pfucked by Pfizer and they see Unvaxxed = Infected and Irresponsible; anti-social element to be demonised and excluded from society.
A former Australia would have said, ‘Tsk, tsk, Mr Djokovic. Next time make sure your people triple-check the visa application form but, nevertheless, my supervisor says you will be allowed entry in the public interest because you are quite handy with a racquet and we love our sport down here. Have a good tournament and , by the way, can you sign this tennis ball for me’. Broad smiles and hearty handshakes all round. I liked that Australia.

Phil
Adelaide

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
3 years ago

Australia and the Australian Open are now trash and the brilliant world’s best tennis player is still the brilliant world’s best tennis player – if Djokovic is deported nobody is a winner but there will be many losers. Australians need help to push back – this is the ugly tip of the (melting) iceberg.

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

The Australian authorities really are dumb, aren’t they. “A risk to the community”, in the same way a ham and egg sandwich brought in by an air passenger is a risk to the community? Not!

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

Would love to see the empirical evidence that one person is a threat to the health of a country

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happychappy
happychappy
3 years ago

This is fascinating to watch. The juxtaposition between a perfectly sane, rational individual and the utterly insane clownworld of lunatics he is attempting to enter. Australia has lost its mind and is no place for the intelligent and informed.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
3 years ago

How dare the Aussie Govt use the phrase ‘the sacrifices the Australian people have made….). No, wrong, wrong and wrong again. The Australian people have had martial law imposed on them in the most draconian, fascist way possible. This has gone on for at least a year. They herded 14000 school children into an arena without their parents to force vaccination on them. They have forced the australians into vaccination by martial law, the most evil and draconian repression of civil liberties in the western world and the implementation of a police state. Djokovic is right to take a stand. He shouldn’t fight this. Just leave this Godforsaken country and never return. If other tennis players had any integrity they would support him to the hilt and boycott the Tournament.

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