The Japanese have a great word, herikutsu, which they use to refer to self-evidently lame arguments or sophistry. Its literal translation is ‘fart logic’ or ‘fart reasoning’, and there were great clouds of it billowing through the House of Commons yesterday when Matt Western MP, shadow Minister for Further Education and Universities, rose to ‘debate’ the government’s proposed Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Bill.
The Bill, which contains a raft of measures imposing duties on universities and students’ unions to protect freedom of speech on campus (in England, anyway), is probably soon to become law; the main substantive issue still to be decided was the exact scope of Clause 4. This is a provision essentially creating a new tort in English law, whereby a claimant may sue a university or students’ union for failing to secure freedom of speech.
This, in short, would allow an employee or student at a university to receive financial compensation from the institution if they have suffered adverse effects from expressing their ideas or beliefs. Obviously, the main point of the inclusion of this tort in the Bill is deterrence, and on those grounds it’s a very good idea. No, it won’t in itself redress the imbalance between left and right on campus, but it will at least create some space in which students can be exposed to alternative viewpoints and in which both staff and students can express themselves a little more openly without fear of the consequences.
Mr. Western came up with a tissue of assertions in favour of ‘softening’ the new tort. This would essentially limit the potential damages that would have to be paid out by universities to claimants to direct pecuniary losses – for example, a refund of student fees – rather than compensation for the loss of an entire career or permanent reputational harm (i.e., the kinds of things the prospect of which really exert a chilling effect on freedom of speech on campuses).
The first of Mr. Western’s assertions was that the problem of cancel culture is “largely exaggerated”. It seems astonishing that any sensible person could make that statement in 2023 (although I am aware that the “largely exaggerated” phrase has become a bit of a shibboleth among lefties on Twitter), but it was in any case immediately contradicted by Western’s second assertion, which is that successful claims would impose a huge cost burden on HE providers unless damages were limited. It’s not happening, in other words, but dealing with it will be really expensive – an odd riff on Michael Anton’s Law of Salutary Contradiction.
The second assertion by its own lights is in any case absurd; complaining that the inclusion of the new tort in the Bill will result in large sums having to be paid out in damages by universities (up to £180,000 including legal fees per claim, apparently) is a bit like complaining that the consequences of putting one’s hand in the fire results in being burned. There is a simple way for universities to avoid having to make big payouts: secure freedom of speech. That’s the whole point of the Bill in the first place.
The third, related assertion put forward by Mr. Western was that if universities end up having to pay large sums in damages to staff or students who have been adversely affected for expressing their views, this will make for less money to be spent on improving the “student experience”. Again, it seems astonishing that any sensible person can make such a claim in 2023, when the “student experience” has become utterly denuded of genuine discussion and debate and the approach to teaching can in most cases be summarised succinctly as: “I’ll tell you what to think, and you think it.” But then, of course, one has to remember who one is dealing with: for a Labour Party shadow universities minister, the fact that universities serve up only the thinnest of woke gruel to their students is a feature, rather than a bug. That the “student experience” might be improved by giving students a slightly more varied diet simply won’t have occurred to him – universities are for making sure students have a jolly nice time while growing up to be good Labour voters. (Remember when the Labour Party thought of itself as being on the side of employees who had been wronged by their bosses?)
The first three of his assertions, then, are bunk and balderdash and various other words I could mention beginning with the letter ‘b’. The fourth assertion – that there was sensible centrist consensus in the House of Lords that Clause 4 should not be included in the Bill at all, and that the Government was being unreasonable in insisting on its inclusion – is worse in the sense that it is a deceptive half-truth.
Mr. Western was right, indeed, that there was opposition to the inclusion of the new tort in the Lords and that the general preference was for it not to have been included. But that opposition largely seems to have come from voices which – how shall I put this? – may not have been impeccably neutral. Lord Grabiner, for example, an arch-Blairite champagne socialist of caricature, who once earned £3,000 an hour advising News Corp about ethical standards, expressed concern, but then again as President of the University of Law, a large HE provider, he probably would do. And reading the debate, one is struck by how many of the speakers fall into that category – being themselves professors, university chancellors, and so on.
In this regard, Lord Moore of Etchingham made a valuable contribution that is worth quoting at length:
I draw noble Lords’ attention to the famous words of Adam Smith that no people of the same trade are ever gathered together, even for diversion or merriment, without at some point conspiring against the public. It is lovely to have so many noble Peers in this House who hold or have held high positions in universities and university administrations — chancellors, vice-chancellors, professors and all the rest of them — but overall they constitute an interest. Their interest, naturally enough, is to believe that they are right, universities are well run and the critics are wrong. I ask them perhaps to consider that none of this would have come about if universities were being well run. These freedom of speech issues are very important and need some bolstering. When so many noble Peers who are associated with universities challenge and reject that, they must be conscious not to behave like trade union leaders in the 1980s who were defending powers that, it became clear, were unacceptable.
In other words, any government seeking to do anything meaningful with regard to university reform is going to face an uphill battle against the House of Lords, because so many of them, frankly, have skin in the game. For Mr. Western to present Lords opposition to Clause 4 as being merely good, common sense, cross-party consensus was therefore almost entirely misleading. There was consensus, alright, but it would be more accurate to call it cross-sectoral within HE – and it was certainly not founded on common sense or objective reason. It was based on the good old principle that turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
The Bill will now have to go for consideration again at the House of Lords because the Government has stuck to its guns and insisted that courts must be able to award damages for non-pecuniary losses (that is, to compensate for reputational harm or a curtailed career) to a successful claimant who is suing a university or students’ union on this basis. At long last, after years of Tory politicians pussy-footing around the subject, it seems that when it comes to universities there is now a proper fight on and we have a crop of Conservative MPs who actually get it.
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Stop Press: One of the MPs who ‘gets it’ is Miriam Cates, MP for Penistone and Stockbridge. Watch her making a speech in the House of Commons Debate on the Higher Ed Bill on Tuesday.
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So vaccines are still effective against hospitalisation and death.
health care messages need to be clear and truthful.
The prophylactic is effective against hospitalisation and death from covid19.
no more is needed to be said.
the so called vaccine will not stop you getting covid or passing it in, that is a huge myth that was deliberately circulating to ensure uptake.
now the lies are unraveling they will find it hard to win the publics trust again on any future endeavour.
the scale of the lie is the most worrying, it is a world wide lie.
If logic were operative, they would lose public trust. But instead they will continue rolling out more stabs, and most folk will continue rolling up sleeves. The cretins.
It could possibly be mass formation (psychosis)… https://rumble.com/vrxr3n-tpc-653-dr.-mattias-desmet-dr.-robert-malone-dr.-peter-mccullough-mass-form.html
The Cretins are kept afloat by the most disgusting betrayal of their responsibility to the people by our Mass Media, who could not possibly be licking the proffered ‘narrative’ with more enthusiasm.
The ‘Fourth Estate’ have forfeited their role under ‘liberal democracy’ if holding politicians account and swallowed the lying propagandists’ shilling – whole! “Power to brainwash without responsibility” as Stanley Baldwin might have said – “the privilege of the Harlot through the ages!”
This has been a “Media Scamdemic” from day one designed to terrify a population and ‘market’ a “vaccine”!
Gates’ investment of $314 million worldwide has been well rewarded.
“Jourmalism”(?) will never be the same under this “New Normal”.
I fully agree.
The only caveat I would draw is that the underlying percentages for death and hospitalisations are super low. Eg even 260 in 100,000 (the highest shown) is 0.0026 as a fraction.
It needs only a tiny amount of wrong classification between vaccinated and non vaccinated or a small amount of systematic difference between who chooses to be vaccinated and who does not to invalidate all these comparisons.
The reality is quite simply that no one knows whether the vaccines make any difference because a proper randomised, independent control study over a long period has not been carried out.
Any government claiming the opposite is quite simply telling lies.
yes. there is no robust proof. the vaccinated are the worried well. unvaccinated contains a large cohort of lower socio-economic groups that die 10 years younger on average anyway
Well, when you eliminate the control groups, it’s plainly obvious what the game is
Exactly..
The trials showed no overall mortality benefit. I think we are seeing exactly the same now.
The trials apparently showed an overall mortality deficit.
Yes, but we only found that out many months after they’d started injecting the general public.Some update buried in a paper from Pfizer, wasn’t it?
https://www.sott.net/article/460909-More-people-died-in-the-key-clinical-trial-for-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-than-the-company-publicly-reported
Who could have guessed …meanwhile nearly 2,000 deaths on the Yellow Card ( probably ten times that number if the anticipated “underestimation” is to be accepted.
“Nothing to see here except ‘mumbo jumbo’.” ( Johnson Junta)
most people don’t understand the numbers, the fact that we’ve had these numbers thrown in our face with missing or misleading accompanying text is an absolute disgrace.
as you mention the stats show that for those 80+ 260 in 100,000 unvaccinated where hospitalised in that time frame, 260 vs 55 vaccinated are the numbers we are drawn to.
0.0026% is a low percentage, but is more than 0.00055%. Both percentages are meaningless unless we can compare and contrast against things we actually know about.
to actually make a full understanding we need to compare that against other diseases, what are the comparable stats for flu or other aliments we have vaccinations for or perhaps for cancer or car accidents.
we really need comparisons against things we can quantify.
anyone actually have comparable stats against flu?
“Lies” are the stock-in-trade of the Johnson Maladministration – top down!
exactly my thinking. what makes this even more unreliable is when you look at their data. if we look at population older than 18 we have 9,082 ER patients with covid who are admitted to overnight stay (! this is also important thing to note too). out of these 3260 are unvaccinated. so ~36%. if we add to that that it is more likely that doctors will keep unvaccinated in hospitals since they are “more in danger” we would get to same numbers we have of total infections. with death there were 3711 deaths and 922 were unvaccinated so 24% which probably would have no statistical significance between that and total infections. i mean that would be easy to calculate, i dont really want to do it now.
50% against hospitalisation is verging on useless, especially when you consider the suppression of early treatment protocols and vaccine injuries.
If we’re comparing prophylactics with the failed vaccines it’s 90% with budesonide asthma inhalers…
“Nearly 2,000 deaths” – not just injuries.
I broadly agree with what you are saying.
But I don’t think there is any evidence that the experimental vaccines reduce all cause hospitalisations and all cause deaths.
If you look at some of the ONS data of deaths by vaccination status, you see a rise in covid labelled death in the unvaccinated doesn’t seem to follow through into a rise in all cause death in the unvaccinated.
Let’s remember the onus is on the pharmaceutical industry to show that the experimental vaccines reduce all cause hospitalisation and all cause death. They can’t. It doesn’t really matter whether you die and your death is classified as ‘covid’ or you die and your death is categorised as ‘non-covid’. What use is a vaccine that changes the label on your death but doesn’t stop the death itself, and may overall increase your chances of all cause death.
I do not believe they are having an overall mortality benefit.
I’d say these figures show they are most definitely having a mortality ‘effect’.. and then some..
Multiply those appalling figures by Steve Kirsch’s factor of 41 and we are getting nearer the mark.
Frightening – trying hard not to go this far …but probably right if only we could prove it.
They appear to have done their best to make sure we can’t! Autopsies/ post-mortems anyone? Cremation preferred to burial?
Yep! Not many fewer in the USA! So …around say 60,000 deaths already (most probably a serious underestimation) already .
Why so cautious?
I think it’s important to understand that the rates are based on estimating the number of unvaccinated (they use NIMS). If the unvaccinated population is underestimated, which I believe it will be, then a significant change to rates is possible.
The absolute figures are represented in the (rather quickly knocked together) attached image. Not so flattering.
Worth remembering that every single person living in this country illegally or just ‘under the radar’ is by definition going to be classed as Unvaccinated.
God knows what that number is. One million? Ten million? Whatever it is, it’s going to have a massive negative effect on apparent vaccine efficacy.
The people flying under the radar will almost certainly be unvaccinated, but will not be counted within the unvaccinated population. This makes the rates (x/100K) of the unvaccinated look much higher than they actually are. The bigger the unvaccinated population, the smaller the rate will be. They know this of course.
It is most important that the indigenous population be vaccinated ………….
It looks like you wont be opening that can of worms on here.
We have no accurate figure and the Police dare not search the likely areas of ‘refuge’ where most are to be found – I read years ago that Tesco estimate the real population at 80 million (courtesy of “Open Society” operations I presume.)
But ivermectin is a much more effective and safer and cheaper prophylactic.
Apparently ivermectin only works in India and Japan, strange that.
Yes it s a deadly horse de-wormer ( snigger) in the UK!
or budesonide
Which is why of course it is banned by Johnson Hancock Whitty and Javid!
yes, the vaccines were supposed to stop covid spread. yes, the “experts” told us so.
The Pfizer “experts”‘
. . . a succession of them, in fact . . .
Nurse Exposes Hidden Vax Deaths, Behind Closed Doors
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/01/07/child-mortality-covid-shot.aspx?ui=1fb065e0c4152b58bd4ed94cf29c7cbfad40307fb723460ddabacd55f3c58b0c&sd=20210518&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20220107_HL2&mid=DM1075230&rid=1372175423
More Children Die From the COVID Shot Than From COVID
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola
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Given that Omicron has only been with us for six weeks, maximum, I would have thought that the statisitcs about death from Omicron are likely to be sparse and unreliable at the available sample size.
On any given day we can be told
‘Yesterday there were 1,563 patients admitted to hospitals within England with Coronovirus’
Followed by
‘We don’t yet have the full data as the new variant was only identified six weeks ago’.
In other words…just more BS.
the questions this raises for me is
1 – does the vaccine make you more susceptible to infection by covid (notwithstanding arguments between ONS and PHE abut denominators, cohorts, behaviour etc)?
2 – does it make you more susceptible to anything else our immune system has to deal with? ie is it a general immune suppression?
3 – the data above shows that it ‘works’ for hospitalisation and death for covid – presumably this won’t be the case for other things you may have been made susceptible to, if the vaccine has introduced a general immune suppression
4 – is the ‘works for hospitalisation and death’ robust, given the work of Professor Fenton?
On 1, Alex Berenson wrote an interesting substack yesterday which seems to suggest the answer may be Yes.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/has-covid-vaccine-efficacy-turned
We’re often told the virus has mutated to be milder (but more transmissible). Initially we were told it was a “novel” virus which is why people were dying. What impact has the mutations and the fact the virus is no longer new to most immune systems had on hospitalisations? Could the entire reduction in deaths be blamed on this?
In relation to that question, you may find this interesting, as it details animal study evidence that omicron is genuinely milder (and it’s not related to increased immunity)
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1479185047039131653
A nice summary of 6 preprints on why Omicron causes less severe disease. Omicron’s feeble attack on the lungs could make it less dangerous
Don’t believe what you are ‘told’ on MSM – find out for yourself elsewhere.
What is the risk of hospitalisation and/or death, anyway?
0.05%?
So the boosters lower this to 0.02%?
Wowser, a drop of c.65%!
Makes it all worthwhile, no?
Just GET BOOSTED NOW. Stop asking questions of your Dear Leader.
Yes, dear leader! 😉
Certainly a very expensive leader.
Can I ask that you watch this?
https://youtu.be/_V0LcoQy7nE
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will
I have changed my mind. Chinese commissar rapper in labcoat.
I can see the light!😆
Shouldn’t they be offering Chinese brides instead? 😗😂😉
Yeah.. and there’s a bonus.. you might die or be incapacitated for life.. bargain!
I could, if had taken the first 2!
Soon it wont be possible to get the original snake venom🤣
Yes ..but if you are, it will not last long.
Can someone please summarise these findings into a single sentence with not too many difficult words for use with people scratching their heads while reading over complicated versions of it in their newspaper.
Boosters are useless.
Maybe even worse than useless, at least in terms of spreading the Big OM.
these are not vaccines in any sense I know – if anything, Omicron is ‘effective’ against hospitalisatons and death because it is a natural end point of a virus (very weak and highly contagious). These jabs are effective at stitching up the tissue of lies – and killing / injuring people for good measure. For serious deep dive go to The Last American Vagabond. https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/
I agree entirely with this post..
I’m not seeing much vaccine effect in the first graph here
https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
looks like this winter is a repeat of last but with a) almost everyone vaccinated b) a new variant that is milder
The vaccine is working its “effect”……. on the immune system.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=GBR~SWE~CHE~DEU~AUT~FIN~NOR
germany storms ahead of sweden in excess mortality
“Befehl ist befehl” for Germans – resistance is ‘un -German”.
The data from Public Health Scotland seems to show negative effectiveness for death (page 48) Can anyone help to analyse this, worried i might be reading the data wrongly i wonder what could explain this compared to UKSA data
https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10930/21-12-22-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf
From a very quick glance:
A lot of the oldest people who had 2 doses went on to have the booster.
But within the relatively small group of people who didn’t have the booster would have been an increasingly disproportionate number of people who were too ill to get the booster, and became ‘stranded’ in the two dose group. And so you’d expect disproportionately many more deaths in the two dose group than the three dose group.
Hence the exactly 2 dose covid labelled age standardised mortality rate (ASM) of 9.31 is higher than the unvaccinated rate of 5.51.
But the 3 dose covid labelled ASM rate of 0.26 is less than the unvaccinated ASM rate of 5.51.
Get BOOSTED again!!!!!
I’m amazed each time I read here at DS when these figures are trotted out that they are said to ‘undermine the pointlessness of vaccine passports’. As if that is the point of vaccine passports. It never was the point. Why do you continue to act all dewy-eyed and innocent, as if somehow you are landing a blow with this kind of statement?
If my point here is not clear, consider the implications if vaccine so-called effectiveness was not dropping into negative territory. Would then the writers at DS proclaim that this proves that vaccine passports are a good thing? I couldn’t care less if these were the most perfect wonderful vaccines ever invented, perfectly safe and perfectly effective, it would still not make the slightest difference to the argument against vaccine passports. They are not dependent on whether this or that vaccine happens to be effective. They are a spectacularly bad idea regardless.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this site, visit way too many times each day, enjoy the opportunity to post my hilarious jokes and penetrating insights, but I do wish the scales would fall from you guys eyes. I also love the Team James versus Team Toby dynamic, and actually think it is very healthy, up to a point, and that point is this point, where DS seems to be tacitly sleepwalking into this half-baked defence of vaccine passports, if only that graph would head in the other direction.
DS posts are controlled opposition. The comments are the only free-will part of the site.
I think it’s perhaps more a case of what arguments work best with the unawake isn’t it? If you go out and talk to covidians about passports simply being the route to digital ID and social credit systems like China, most of them will either laugh at you or switch off. If you can point out that there’s no point banning the unvaxxed because as every fule doth know now (or should know), being vaxxed does not stop you getting it, people might be more likely to listen to you.
Yes.. you’re right. Its easy preaching to the converted, to the brainwashed you need a far gentler approach to get your foot in the door. Being too strident will get it slammed in your face..
Part of the problem is asking people to admit they were gullible fools for getting jabbed in the first place and effectively voting for their own totalitarian future.
What future?
Weirdly most people do seem to know cognitively that the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid but then in the very next breath they’ll talk as if it does …. the cognitive dissonance is sometimes quite startling. But yes, start off at the thin end of the wedge and work from there …. save talk of ADE for later on!
Why bother arguing any longer ? They have made their bed… but why must we all lie in it?
More of the tragic truth is seeping through every day that passes – the damn surely must burst.
Good point. Anyway, we know vaccine passports are basically designed to annoy and harass the unvaccinated. Macron basically spilled the beans on that.
Yes – “half-awake” is nearer “asleep” than Awake!
If we compare unvaccinated vs vaccinated (at least one dose) in these latest figures for England (which cover weeks 49-52 of 2021), we now have a position of negative efficacy of the experimental vaccine against testing positive in every age group including the under 18s.
Just under half a million of the under 18 age group have had 2 doses (4%) and about 1.7 million (14%) have had 1 dose according to UKHSA. About 10.4 million (82%) of the under 18s are unvaccinated.
So the vaccinated under 18s are mainly single jabbed rather than double jabbed (14% vs 4%) and so any comparison really must take these single jabbed into account. See the attached chart that does this.
At least double the rate of positives per 100,000 in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated (any dose) in the 18–59 age ranges.
(I’ve interpolated positives for week 52 for which there was no publication between the week 51 2021 and week 1 2022 figures in plotting that week)
And not looking good for the experimental vaccines in relation to the trend in emergency care admission positives either, using the same comparison unvaccinated vs vaccinated (at least one dose).
58.8% of these positive test emergency care admissions are in the vaccinated (any dose) for week 1 of 2022 (which covers weeks 49-52 of 2021), an increase from 54.3% in week 51 of 2021 (which covers weeks 47-50 of 2021).
And you can see from the attached chart that the increase in absolute number of positive test emergency care admissions (the height of the yellow and red bars) is mainly fueled by the increase in vaccinated emergency care admissions.
Of course a good chunk of these emergency care admissions (vaccinated or unvaccinated) will be incidental positives, even more so because of the mildness of omnicron. And really we should be comparing all cause hospitalisations between the two groups but we don’t have the data.
28.2% of covid labelled deaths (within 28 days of a positive test) are in the unvaccinated for week 1 of 2022 (which covers weeks 49-52 of 2021) a slight increase from week 51 of 2021.
But note how the absolute number of unvaccinated positive test deaths (the height of the yellow bar) has decreased from week 51 (covering weeks 47-50) to week 1 (covering weeks 48-52).
Vaccine “effectiveness” for those in their 40s is NEGATIVE 151 percent?
This should be front-page news around the world.
When the vaccinated are more than two times likely to become infected than the unvaccinated … and EVERY leader in authority and “expert” in the world is pushing mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports, we have reached rock bottom as an intelligent society.
The vaccinated are more likely to be mixing and “letting their guard down”. Yeah, that’s why it’s -150%
At least that’s how they’ll spin it.
Except they won’t as people who haven’t subjected themselves to the experiment are usually those who aren’t caught up in the hysteria.
That’s what I love about this spin, as far as I can gather the people who don’t believe in all the lies and are desperately trying to live their lives as normally as possible. No masks no, social distancing, no following restrictions as best as possible, no vaccine. We know it’s all horse shit. And yet we’re the ones who are supposed to be cowering behind the sofa.
To be honest – almost all the people I know, and those I work with, are double and triple jabbed but they’re the ones who are masking up, using hand sanitizer and social distancing. They also test themselves every 5 minutes. I just walk round the supermarket where ‘ve worked maskless throughout not sure whether to laugh at them or feel sorry for them. It’s pathetic.
You’re so right, Mike, it’s truly pathetic. Out of the 32 members of our choir, the majority of whom are vaccinated, only 8 are prepared to carry on with rehearsals. Of these 8, 6 said they would attend as long as everyone took lateral flow tests. I despair. If things ever get back to how they used to be I will never see these people in the same light.
It’s been a real eye opener , regrettably I can’t help despising all the mask wearing , jabbed up to the neck , jumping into the road zombies.
The vaccines aren’t working, you’ll need a booster every month.
Not sure what’s being boosted at the moment. Boost your chances of catching covid. Boost your chances of a dystopian future. Boost pharma’s profits. Boost Boza’s ego.
And in relation to Canadian real world data….
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1478328180704428033
2 doses of mRNA do not provide protection against Omicron infection even if freshly administered. Zero. Then there’s clear negative effectiveness from around 3 months post 2nd dose. The utter fallacy of ongoing coercion of the ‘unvaccinated’.
The unvaxxed represent a mute reproach to the charlatans who told us vaxxes were a cure-all way out of a misnamed pandemic.
That there are still unvaxxed is a threat to their ability to influence and coerce.
Is it just me, I find that 2nd graph very sexy, nearly as much as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sHZEX1p80o (not for the easily aroused)
Yep: it’s just you.
If you don’t find the way that rises, curves gracefully towards its target & explodes in a blaze of glory there’s something wrong with you. I find it extraordinarily satisfying to watch, just the mechanics of it gets me aroused, it’s almost perfect in the way it performs & it’s so masculine & erotic.
The last remaining argument in favour of the vaccines is that they reduce hospitalisations and deaths. So let’s look at Table 11 (p. 37), “COVID-19 cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission by vaccination status between week 49 and week 52 2021”.
Notice that we are not told if these are people in hospital “with Covid” or “because of Covid”. We only know that they had a positive test in the prior 28 days.
If you add up the unvaccinated column for all ages, we have a total of 4,056 unvaccinated people hospitalised for one or more nights in that four week period.
Now, estimates of the number of hospitals in the UK vary depending on where you look, but according to statista.com, “In 2019, there were an estimated 1,978 hospitals in the United Kingdom”. So for a four week period, we had 4,056 unvaccinated admissions across 1,978 hospitals.
That’s 2 admissions per hospital over a four week period, who were unvaccinated but also happened to test positive for Covid at some point, and we have no idea why they went to hospital.
Can someone please tell me how that translates to claims that hospitals are 90% full of the unvaccinated?
It was very deceitful, but explained here – https://rumble.com/vrowe1-critical-care-not-full-of-unvaccinated.html Basically they managed to find one specialist ICU type that projected those figures and then repeated a message publicly that was a massive manipulation of the truth. These people really are the absolute scum of the earth.
ThinkingSlow is an excellent source for statistical analysis btw:
https://rumble.com/c/c-946493
https://twitter.com/ThinkingSlow1
Thanks for the link to ThinkingSlow, excellent analysis that clearly exposes the government’s bare-faced lies.
As it is now abundantly clear that vaccines don’t work but make it more likely that infections are contracted and passed on, and that people continue to be pressured into being spiked, what is the best way to protect yourself from further potential injury from the spike producing, microclot-inducing mRNA LNAs?
Genuinely need to know, surely someone has worked it out by now.
Um, don’t take the stabs???
Sadly not an option, should be that recovered infection has higher status than jabs as we all know but the world has gone mad.
After the Colston verdict might we hope that anyone taking the law into their own hands against the CMOs and MHRA leadership would also be acquitted?
I was thinking about this last night. The Colston trial was a jury trial, so, according to the way the defence team framed their defence and their closing argument they swayed them with the emotion and the injustice of the Colston statue, and portrayed these 4 defendants as carrying out some kind of vigilante justice to right a wrong which the state should have righted a long time ago, as opposed to 4 people carrying out criminal damage. The jury obvs bought that argument and acquitted them.
People taking the law into their own hands regarding any aspect of the covid narrative would not be guaranteed the same easy ride from a jury (provided of course the offence they commit is triable by a jury trial) depending on its make up. If the jury is made up of a majority of people who are jabbed and think that jabs are great, everyone should have one to save the NHS, the govt has done a brilliant job re covid, have had relatives who died in first wave etc and believe that the jabs have “saved” the UK then they are unlikely to find in favour of a defendant coming before them on a covid offence who tries a similar defence to the covid 4 – trying to right a wrong of the state
Only if they are ex slave owners
My original concern was that the pharmas demanded and got full indemnity.
My second concern was that the shots were okayed under ‘temporary authority’ yet still touted as ‘safe’.
My third concern was that Bunter, having narrowly escaped death and, presumably, thus pretty much immunised against Wu-flu, was happy to be double-jabbed (and now, one imagines, triple-jabbed).
All concerns following those three have followed from the shamelessly duff ‘follow the science’ routines, including ignoring the JCVI decision that kids should not be routinely injected.
My main concern remains the bovine acceptance, exhibited by most of those I know personally, to continue to believe the illogical balls they’re being fed.
I can only hope that they don’t come to suffer buyer’s remorse at some time in the unknowable future.
If people do start dying in droves from immune-system damage, will Whitty and Van-Tam have to hand back their deflectionary gongs?
No. They’ll just say the same thing the general public will – that without the vaccines everyone would have died of Covid anyway.
100% Safe and Effective
US court ruled last night that the FDA must release all Pfizer documents this year, not in 75 years. Might be fun.
Love the little propaganda gems like this in the report (page 40): “Unadjusted case rates among persons vaccinated have been formatted in grey to further emphasise the caution to be employed when interpreting this data”. In other words believe the data unless the data doesn’t look how we want it to look, and in that case ignore it.
This one’s another beauty (same page): “people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks”. So natural immunity only provides 2/3 months worth of protection according to the authors. No citations, no explanation, nothing. This goes against over 100 studies that have been done showing that statement to be complete bollocks.
I’ve already emailed these idiots demanding corrections, but it would be good if others did the same.
Austria.. 3rd Jab.. Booster..
Who’d have thought it eh.. you’ve got to keep getting them, no matter what!
https://freewestmedia.com/2022/01/06/austrian-government-demotes-some-38-million-double-jabbed-to-unvaccinated/
Couldn’t have predicted that eh?
No.. came as a great surprise to me, I must say..
and people won’t think that will happen to them here!
“Even the obedient have become second class people, excluded from social life thanks to the country’s “lockdown for the unvaccinated”. Austrians living in this fact-free dystopian nightmare, are currently faced with two options: Force the government out or take the third, fourth, fifth, sixth and perhaps eternal shot.”
Farage did a big segment on “the unvaccinated” at the top of his show last night. He is very concerned about the way they are being demonised in the UK. He has a new email address (farage@gbnews.uk) and appealed to people to email him with their thoughts and experiences on the subject.
You know you are in deep trouble when Farage is singling you out for defence. On the other hand look what he did for Brexit…
You mean 3.9 million Austrians lose their internal passports?
Thanks Will. You beat me to the latest surveillance update. However, I do present the data a little differently that may be more catchy to the eye.
Yes, and this is massively overlooked (deliberately I’m sure). It is infections that drive a pandemic. It is of no use to man nor dog if there’s a vaccine that is very efficient at preventing hospitalisation and death (which these vaccines certainly are not), if that same vaccine is driving the infections that may result in the hospitalisation and death. Any vaccine that does that will prolong a pandemic and likely cause more fatalities long-term (that’s without considering side effects). As we’re now into year 3 of this pandemic, I would say the proof is clearly in the pudding.
The main point, however, is the flippin’ tests. They mean nothing! If people stopped taking tests, there would be no reason for any of the government’s counter-productive measures. For it is their measures that have brought about death, illness and misery to the population.
Agreed.
Exactly. If it weren’t for the vaccinated spreading their germs right, left and centre, nobody would need protection against hospitalization and death in the first place. The whole thing would likely have ended when it should have done, last January. Instead of that we’re lumbered with the vaccinated continuing to boost infection numbers season-by-season ad infinitum.
Having listened to the recent Joe Rogan interviews with eminent Doctors who have now been “CANCELLED”, I think the UK population need to hear from our own Chief Medical Officer, so I started the petition below in an attempt to foster support for the idea. Our main medical profession doesn’t seem to want to have a discussion in open forum, I wonder why!
Please sign this petition.
“Sir Chris Whitty UK CMO must be interviewed on The Joe Rogan Experience.”
https://chng.it/NZVpWgD4s7
A 3 hour in depth interview with the UK Chief Medical Officer would assist general understanding of the logic used by the UK government advisors around Covid.
Seek opinion on Imperial College data modelling and The Great Barrington Declaration.
Seek clarity on mask and vaccination health benefits and risks.
Seek clarity on why the UK population isn’t treated early for Covid with existing fully tested drugs.
Seek clarity on proportions of population in hospital and ICU.
Even better would be a debate between Whitty and, say Peter McCullough or Robert Malone.
Don’t think Whitty could last that long against JR
My God. 22 months of this cr*p! I am so sick of it all and just wish it would all go away! We were right all along and we knew we would be – but what does it matter anymore? We are free, the rest are willing slaves. Stay strong, be free!
Well – free as you can be without a vaccine passport, so not so free after all. Only saying.
Travelled everywhere, all over Europe, throughout all this time, not stopped. Never had anyone in authority ask for any “vaccine passport”. Border guards simply couldn’t give a sh*t.
I have said it before, and I’ll say it again – the queues for the sheep with their silly “app” will be twenty times longer than the queues for the people who haven’t bothered with any of this dangerous, inhumane nonsense.
And here’s another chart of positive test rates by age band over time split between vaccinated and unvaccinated, which I think shows quite dramatically what has happened in the past few weeks.
All the dotted lines are positive test rates over time for the unvaccinated in each age group
And all the solid lines are positive test rates per 100,00 for the vaccinated (one or more dose) in each age group
And I’ve used the same colour for the vaccinated and unvaccinated in each age group.
The chart speaks for itself…
Good chart. What data did you use (ie what source)?
Sources are shown on the charts themselves. Doh!
(Agree – very good compilation.)
Used the vaccine surveillance reports for the positive test numbers
The population numbers (in particular the single jabbed population numbers) are from the national flu and covid surveillance spreadsheets
You can work back from the rates per 100,000 and number of cases in the vaccine surveillance reports to get the numbers in each age category unvaccinated or double vaccinated. But you need the figures from the above spreadsheets (from sheet ‘fig 61 COVID vac uptake’ but each week uses a different spreadsheet) to get the single jabbed numbers so that you can work out an overall vaccinated (any dose) rate. That the doubled vaxed and uvaxed numbers agree between the spreadsheets and the VSR, tells you you’ve picked up the right week in the right week’s spreadsheet and then you can then use the single jabbed numbers
In case you are interested in reproducing this, the population numbers used by UKHSA in each VSR relate to the flu and covid surveillance spreadsheets as set out in the attached. The ‘up to week 50’ spreadsheet (for example) refers to the spreadsheet called week 51 that goes up to week 50.
Will Jones is still agreeing with government propaganda when he states ……
“Unadjusted vaccine effectiveness against death remains high”.
As the government doesn’t know how many unjabbed people there are and why they are unjabbed (possibly for ill health reasons) it is disappointing that Will Jones and The Daily Sceptic are not being more “sceptical”.
In the ONS release of 20th December, the age group 10-59 (yes, very wide!) covid death rate in the jab free is currently 2 times the rate in the jabbed. Wow! The jab is working!
BUT, in all-cause mortality, the jabbed are dying at 2.4 times the rate! Moreover, when one considers the non-covid mortality, the jabbed are dying at 3.3 times the rate!
In order to show the jab’s effectiveness against an arbitrarily-defined ‘covid’ death, the corresponding increase in non-covid death rate needs to be explained.
Furthermore, because non-covid deaths are much more than covid deaths, there is a net loss of life due to these confounded jabs.
Bloody hell.
To be fair he’s just doing an unbiased analysis of the data set provided by UKHSA. It doesn’t necessarily equate to him agreeing that the data set itself is an accurate representation.
Can someone double check these for me please (plotted from absolute numbers, not relative rates)? That death graph looks unnaturally symmetrical and, if I’ve plotted it correctly, there’s no way that could be happen without some oddness going on. Another interesting one is the risk of death following hospitalisation – no significant difference in any age group other than the 80+
Note: All ‘unlinked’ were assumed to be vaccinated. This might add an insignificant error to the data.
Didn’t Geert Vanden Bossche give the malevolant political/pharma/junk science establishment a head’s up on this very subject!….But they have a plan folk’s that doesn’t include facilitating your continued existence on Planet Earth, the very opposite infact.
Don’t worry everybody, Imperial College are developing self-amplifying vaccines that will *continually* churn out spike proteins, meaning booster shots won’t be necessary. I for one can’t wait! I hope the Gov keeps stringing me along until at least 2023 in anticipation of this, because I need to be distracted with threats and retreats for another year in order to be on board.
Forcing a useless, dangerous vaccine – now in free fall -on Care Workers and Medical Staff and threatening the non- jabbed thus creating a staffing crisis in Health and Social Care – that’s a sure vote winner Johnson!
Any more ‘awards’ and Gongs for your Marxist Globalist Castro supporting friends on Sage who thought this nightmare up for you?
If only we had a Free uncensored Media you would be mincemeat!
Reuters reporting Japan is at 1% of its COVID peak cases and falling. India is at 3% of its peak and falling. What did these countries do? Ditch vaccine mandates for ivermectin. Since April 28, India medical officials started providing hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to its massive population. As India is the major pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world, they were ready for this massive drug distribution. MIRACULOUSLY!, COVID cases have plummeted quickly since then. Meanwhile, all “first world” countries in Europe are reporting a rise in cases. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Does vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation and death have any meaning with OmiCON? The fact is that hardly anyone is being hospitalised or dying from it, vaccinated or not!!
In fact, even an “efficacy rate” of 70-80% implies a failure rate of 20-30% which must account for all of the small numbers of OmiCON hospitalisations and deaths?