On many issues – lockdowns, Net Zero, free speech, wokery, to name a few – the Daily Sceptic and Spiked are usually on the same page. Links to its articles frequently appear in our bulletins. However, one area where, since early 2021, we have diverged sharply is on Covid vaccines. At TDS we have maintained a sceptical guard against the often overhyped claims of safety and efficacy put out by Government and other sources. Articles questioning them – often by experts in the field – have become part of our standard fare. Spiked, on the other hand, has stuck firmly to its pro-vaccine position. Not a single article questioning the Government line on vaccine safety and efficacy has ever, to my knowledge, graced its pages – though despite this, to its credit, it has (mostly) maintained a firm line against vaccine coercion.
Rarely has this difference been so apparent as in a piece this week by Deputy Editor Fraser Myers that can only be described as a brutal polemic against Andrew Bridgen, the U.K. Member of Parliament who has been vocal in his criticism of the Covid vaccines and was last month kicked out of the Conservative Party.
The article, titled ‘The delusions of Andrew Bridgen‘ and setting the dismissive tone with its opening line, “It can be tempting to ignore the antivax conspiracy theorists”, contains many errors of fact, as well as misrepresentations. Many readers, I imagine, will be left wondering why a website that they read for viewpoints not found in the mainstream seems unwilling to countenance the possibility that the Government’s line on the vaccines might – just might – be skewed by the vested interest it has in claiming the vaccine rollout as a big success, or that all the independent experts who have stuck their heads above the parapet to urge caution might – just might – be saying something worth listening to.
Well, be that as it may, what we have instead is Myers’ attack on one of the few MPs raising these issues that are clearly of some concern to a number of his constituents and the medical experts he’s in contact with. Perhaps it would have been better if Myers had ignored him. But seeing as he didn’t, and in the spirit of rational debate rather than name-calling, I will endeavour to respond to Myers’s characterisation of him as an “antivax conspiracy theorist”.
One of the difficulties in responding, though, is that not all of Myers’s claims are backed up with sources or evidence. This makes it hard to know what he’s basing his statements on, or even at times what he’s referring to. For instance, he mentions a “now-infamous Westminster Hall debate last December” in which Bridgen “reeled off a list of academic papers, citations and statistics, all purporting to show that the vaccines are doing more harm than good (much of it based on misinterpretations or perhaps misrepresentations of the data)”.
But there was no Westminster Hall debate on vaccines in December 2022 (though there had been several in previous months). Rather, on December 13th there was a House of Commons debate on vaccine harms, led by Andrew Bridgen, and presumably it is this that Myers is referring to. Exactly why he deems this debate to be “now-infamous” is unclear, as is why he describes Bridgen’s citations as being “based on misinterpretations or perhaps misrepresentations of the data”.
Myers clearly regards Bridgen’s claim that the mRNA vaccines may be doing more harm than good to be nonsense, but in fact it is well-supported by evidence. For instance, British Medical Journal Editor Dr. Peter Doshi along with Dr. Joseph Fraiman and colleagues examined the data from the vaccine clinical trials and found that, compared to controls, the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of 10.1 events per 10,000 vaccinated for Pfizer and 15.1 events per 10,000 vaccinated for Moderna. When combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated, or 1 in 800. The authors note that these adverse event rates were considerably higher than the observed reductions in COVID-19-related hospitalisation rates, meaning the findings imply that among trial participants the vaccines were doing more harm than good.
Similarly, Dr. Kevin Bardosh and colleagues – hailing from the Universities of Harvard, Oxford, Johns Hopkins, Edinburgh and Washington, among others – found that for every COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented by boosters in previously uninfected young adults, 18 to 98 serious adverse events occurred, including 1.5 to 4.6 cases of booster-associated myocarditis in males. That’s more harm than good, at least for healthy young adults.
Does Myers deem Bridgen to be misinterpreting or misrepresenting these studies, or does he think these studies are themselves misinterpreting or misrepresenting the data? He doesn’t tell us.
Myers’s next objection is to Bridgen calling the vaccines “experimental gene therapy”. He writes:
Bridgen refers to the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA jab as “experimental gene therapy”. This technology is certainly novel. Rather than using a neutralised version of an infection or a close cousin, the mRNA vaccines deliver instructions to human cells which induce an immune response. The successful deployment of mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines marked a major scientific breakthrough. But these vaccines are not ‘experimental’, as they have gone through clinical trials. Nor are they ‘gene therapy’, as they make no changes whatsoever to a patient’s DNA.
What Myers is overlooking here is that while the vaccines were approved for use under an emergency provision, the Phase 3 trials were still some years from completion. An open letter from more than 60 doctors and scientists to the MHRA in May 2021 spelled this out. They wrote:
All Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials are ongoing and not due to conclude until late 2022/early 2023. The vaccines are, therefore, currently experimental with only limited short-term and no long-term adult safety data available. (emphasis added)
It is also of significance that the products were tested only under the less-stringent safety protocols for vaccines, not under the more-stringent requirements for novel genetic products, as the HART group explained in October 2022:
The U.K. drug regulator, the MHRA, did not carry out the toxicity, biodistribution and pharmacokinetics studies that are required of new drugs because of the political pressure to approve. However, nearly two years have passed since then and the MHRA has not set a deadline for the pharmaceutical companies to provide these data. The MHRA allowed the treatments to be presented as vaccines like any other when they are a novel class of agents, never before approved for human use despite the technology being around for decades (mostly because they have been dangerous and ineffective in previous human trials).
Myers’s claim that the vaccines are not ‘gene therapy’ because “they make no changes whatsoever to a patient’s DNA” misses the fact that from a regulatory point of view gene therapy products include not only those which alter DNA but also those which “alter the biological properties of living cells“.
This is why Moderna’s November 2018 Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) registration statement says that its “mRNA [technology] is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA”.
Likewise, the September 2019 BioNTech SEC Registration notes that “[In] the United States, and in the European Union, mRNA therapies have been classified as gene therapy medicinal products”.
Myers is wrong: mRNA vaccines are classed as gene therapy products.
A particularly odd point in Myers’s article is when he says that Bridgen is “inconsistent” because he claims not to be opposed to vaccines in general, “only the ‘experimental gene therapy’ mRNA variety”. Myers notes that Bridgen regrets taking two doses of the AstraZeneca jab, which he points out “is not an mRNA vaccine (it uses a chimpanzee adenovirus to induce immunity to Covid)”. He adds: “When a BBC employee reportedly died following complications from the AstraZeneca vaccine, Bridgen blamed it on ‘experimental treatments‘.”
Leaving aside the reference to the BBC employee (presumably Lisa Shaw) “reportedly” dying from the AstraZeneca vaccine (Shaw’s death wasn’t merely “reported” as such, it was found by the coroner to be so), Myers here appears to be oblivious to the fact that the adenovirus vector vaccines also involve using genetic material (in their case DNA) to ‘reprogramme’ cells to make SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. His description implies that the chimpanzee adenovirus induces immunity to Covid directly. But in fact the adenovirus is just a vector or carrier, like a box, into which has been inserted the DNA encoding for the spike protein. The adenovirus vector is the vaccine’s way of getting the genetic code into the cells. This is no less “altering the biological properties of living cells” and thus a gene therapy product than the mRNA vaccines, and Bridgen is right to place them under the same umbrella.
Lastly, Myers gets onto the frequency of vaccine injuries. “Potential” vaccine harms like myocarditis and blood-clotting are “incredibly rare”, he says, quoting ONS data showing that by December 2022 “just 47 deaths in England and Wales where the underlying cause was a Covid vaccine” were recorded. Gotcha! Except, of course, in the censorious climate that prevailed during the pandemic doctors registering deaths would be very reluctant to identify a vaccine as the underlying cause of death without some strong grounds for certainty such as an autopsy. Much safer just to write the condition that was responsible for the death, rather than speculating on the role of the vaccine in inducing it. A more realistic estimate of reported vaccine deaths comes from the MHRA’s Yellow Card adverse event reporting scheme, which has logged around 2,500 U.K. deaths. These are all deaths which those who filed the report (mostly medics and healthcare practitioners) suspect were due to the vaccine that the deceased had recently received.
Myers has a few words to say about the Yellow Card scheme. He accepts that by November 2022 “the MHRA had received and analysed nearly 178,000 such cards for the Pfizer vaccines, 247,000 for the AstraZeneca jab and 47,000 linked to Moderna”. But while these “may sound like large numbers”, he says, “we shouldn’t forget the size of the vaccinated cohort – the U.K. has handed out more than 151 million doses of vaccine and has double-vaccinated almost nine in 10 residents”. Let’s leave aside whether 90% of the population has really been vaccinated (more realistic estimates from polls and the NIMS database suggest it’s more like 75% of adults who’ve had at least one dose). The key point is that Myers doesn’t offer any comparison data to tell us whether 472,000 Yellow Cards for 151 million doses is high or low, worrying or normal. Similar figures for the U.S. indicate that the reported vaccine fatality rate is still over 20 times higher for Covid vaccines than it is for flu vaccines, even taking into account the total number of doses distributed. The same data also indicate there has not been any great degree of over-reporting during the pandemic as there was no increase in death reports linked to other (non-Covid) vaccines. In the U.K., the reporting rate for non-COVID-19 Yellow Cards actually fell by 16% from 2020 to 2021.
Myers states that “the overwhelming majority of these reports relate to reactions at the injection site or include things like sore arms, dizziness, nausea, headaches and fatigues”. This is true, and I don’t believe anyone claims otherwise, although Myers writes that “for Bridgen every Yellow Card is to be taken as evidence of serious vaccine injury”, though, again, no source is provided for this. He then quotes Bridgen saying that Yellow Card reporting represents “only 10% of the true rate of serious adverse events”, which seems to contradict his claim as Bridgen refers here to serious adverse events, suggesting he is distinguishing serious and non-serious events and not, as Myers implies, conflating them.
Myers does not dispute the claim about 90% under-reporting, which may be because it is on the MHRA website. It states: “It is estimated that only 10% of serious reactions and between 2-4% of non-serious reactions are reported.” However, it’s worth noting that MHRA has argued that this 10% estimate doesn’t apply to the Covid vaccines owing to the increased awareness of the scheme, though we have seen that that is not borne out in the reporting rate for other vaccines.
But we don’t really need to guess about this stuff as many governments carry out active monitoring via surveys of vaccinated people. The Israeli Government’s survey, for instance, found that 0.3% of vaccinated people (1 in 333) reported being hospitalised as a result of their first Covid booster, while a U.S. CDC survey found 0.9% of vaccinated people (1 in 111) reported seeking medical care as a result of their vaccination. A vaccine monitoring app in Germany found that 0.3% of vaccine recipients reported at least one serious adverse reaction to the first dose of the vaccine. The MHRA has never published the U.K. version of these data. A comparison of the Israeli active monitoring rate (from the survey) to the passive monitoring rate (from VAERS) showed that the true number of people hospitalised following their vaccination was 126 times higher than the number who reported it to VAERS, i.e., less than 1% of those who according to the survey were hospitalised following their vaccine reported it to VAERS. Other under-reporting rates in the Israeli survey (see examples in table below) were even higher, making Bridgen’s (and the MHRA’s) 10% estimate look very conservative. Note that these figures don’t have a control group for comparison to allow for incidental events.
If 0.3% of people who receive each dose of a Covid vaccine are hospitalised with a serious adverse reaction, as per the Government surveys, then after 151 million doses there would be around 450,000 hospitalisations following vaccination. It really is that many, because 0.3% of 151 million is still a big number.
Myers concludes: “[Anti-vax] conspiracy theories corrode reason, democracy and humanism. We cannot allow them to fester unchallenged.”
I think it’s fair to say, if Myers is worried about the corrosion of reason, he needs to start somewhere closer to home.
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Something special about Hull then. OK.
Hull is a very strange place generally (I’ve been there with work quite a bit)…
Yeah.. they’ve a lousy football team too..’-)
Hopefully you’ll get Andy Robertson back in a few years’ time!
It is a bit strange! I walked along the road past a pub in Kingston and the whole front beer-garden fell silent as everybody stared at me. You could tell they were thinking: is he from the police or is he a social-security nark?
All right, all right; I was naked at the time, but I don’t regard that as sufficient excuse or explanation…..
Always had their own telephone network too…
Still have, yeah- extends as far out as Beverley! Kingston Internet has a pretty good reputation too.
Well it’s the home of John no jags but several jabs Prescott, so what’s not to like?
Yes – those of us born and bred there always rolled our eyes with resignation at every survey showing us to be the fattest, thickest, unhealthiest town in England with the highest numbers of teenage pregnancies (and the worst teeth).
It was almost a game of bingo to find what else we were worst at.
Funny though, what a relief it always was to get home after a trip to London.
I worked in that hospital for years. No idea what happened to it recently.
Logic, reason, evidence, empathy? None. You’re ill. Fuck you and your loved ones. Thanks, NHS.
Exactly Patrick
Across the G7 Build Back Better world, the lockstep agenda is the exact same.
Mandatory experimental gene therapies for all, babies to pensioners… The deepening demonisation of the “unvaxxed” increasing medical apartheid of whole sections of society, with threatened interment of the non-compliers.
Mix in mass sackings, lay-offs and the ongoing destruction of legacy businesses…. all supported by the drumbeat fear-porn of MSM consensus.
The cheery on the top being the systematic censoring of any New Normal dissent, and the willful suppression of safe and alternative COVID treatments.
Something terrible is rising around us, and still the masses fail to wake-up to it?
Still at least there is the football next year for some to look forward to.
Good post Galene77, but its not just the masses, there’s a sizeable amount on this forum still talking about the minutiae of covid this, covid that, symptoms.. That stuff, forget it.
Those pushing this evil sh*te know it, they know all the things reasonable people are saying, but its not about health. They are pushing through an agenda that will bring about global enslavement. A world of utter misery for the many. Its time to realise what we are facing and quit talking about the stupid ins and outs of effing covid..
We are way past the point of this being about health, This is all about control!
That’s what I have been saying all the time – counting the number of face masks in Lidl isn’t going to help much – it’swhen you try to leave the country (or get back in!) where you see how the control works.
21 months and I have not seen a single person with ‘Covid’. But I have seen thousands with Made-in-China face masks.
Same here – we’ve had nearly two years since this first appeared on the horizon, and I still know of no one who has had the Great Plague of China or who knows of anyone else. Where are they hiding them all? I had a really bad cold coming back from Holland in January 2020, but have been unmasked and had no special gene-juice, and not so much as a sneeze since then.
I am still convinced that this is all to do with keeping us under control as the next Great Depression comes along, probably with the next World War behind it.
I keep stating on here that what’s occurring has FA to do with a virus and graphs and charts have little relevance. Bozo is turning the screw based on two cases and we don’t even know if these are poorly.
Can we get a grip on here and acknowledge the bleedin obvious – this us all about depopulation and control?
Which again begs the question of why is my GP practice segregating the over 75s for booster jabs on their premises while others who ‘qualify’ boosters are sent elsewhere?
Does anybody know if this is the case generally?
Maybe because they have only received funding for the over 75s. They don’t do owt for nowt.
Agree. It has never been about health. It is all about Agenda. It is interesting that Bill Gates funds The Guardian a Socialist rag that has been on and on about Global Warming, Climate Change, Lockdowns. Always follow the money and where does it always lead with Covid? Gates and Soros.
Gates, Schwab, Sorus et al are merely front men. The international bankster cabal are directing operations by only pulling those financial levers that advance their agenda through their numerous IMF, BIS, WB, IPCC etc criminal enterprises
Susan Michie’s e-mail address has been posted on here numerous times – has anybody even bothered to write?
Ah yes.. dear Susan..
There is a very good 17min video posted in the comments of the previous article that very professionally updates us with the horrors of CCP Social Credit which awaits us which you allude to George L.
It ends with an appeal for those of our generations not to throw away centuries of fighting for freedom from tyranny but offers little more advice on how to do this except for ‘just say no’.
How will that help when major retailers no longer take credit cards from the non fully vaxxed (whatever that may mean in the future) or you can’t by a train ticket or life insurance or get stuff from Amazon; your child can’t enrol in University (for what that will be worth); when they cancel cash for Covid Safely and for those whose Social Credit score is deemed insufficient they cancel your credit cards, together with all phone functionality except for the Social Credit App itself.
You may think you are safe and accepted but the app notes that your child is absent from school one day, you are smoking too much or not doing enough exercise or someone snitchers on you when you fail to pick up after your dog.
How will just say no help you then?
Maybe just say no at the ballot box? Or just say no to using leisure facilities that insist on masks/QR codes? Or just no by going self employed and evading taxes? Or just say no by not buying any papers or paying TV license. Or just say no, you will not just accept the narrative or give collaborators an easy time and indeed oppose them at every opportunity. So many ways of saying no.
So what do you propose.. just say yes.. ???
This is an ongoing agenda, you have to adapt to it in the best way you can. Small ripples in a pond. The most important thing to do is stop that agenda being implemented, spanners in the works, because once its implemented it’ll be extremely difficult to extricate oneself.
Find like minded people for support and ideas.. and stop buying things off AMAZON.. they are major players in this and have been mopping up the customers of small businesses who’ve been pushed into liquidation by the very policies we’re all witnessing now..
“Just say Yes ???”.
No, not at all but there must be much more radical ‘pro-active’ things we can do.
I stopped paying telly tax years ago, newspapers since March 2020, tick as appropriate on sites such as the Daily Mail as often as possible. Stopped paying tax & N.I. in March 2020. Tried to support local retailers last year but they didn’t seem interested. I found a farm shop cafe that allowed customers to Sit Down outside when that was illegal but as soon as they built up a bit of a customer base, mostly Middle England but also some working blokes, they suddenly cut their portions and raised prices considerably.
I still have subversive conversations with the limited number of people I now encounter, mostly taxi drivers but also some medics.
Click off YouTube vids and ads featuring mask wearers.
Physically unable to attend demonstrations, I doubt that I will be offered an anti lockdown candidate to vote for . . .any other suggestions gratefully received.
create a parallel economy – it’s the only way
Something terrible is rising around us, and still the masses fail to wake-up to it?
Indeed that is so. Some of us have been saying similar for a year and more, but few listened. And now it’s already too late for most, they are double jabbed and likely boosted. These people are just like cattle in the slaughterhouse being pushed and prodded towards the man with the “humane” killer.
and now it’s already too late for most, they are double jabbed
They are a lost people. We can do nothing for them now.
“Sajid Javid says delivering Covid booster jabs is NHS’s new national mission“.
“Health secretary says demands for GPs to return to face-to-face appointments could be axed to bolster vaccination effort“.
To translate this into ordinary language: if you want to get treated for a real illness you can f*** off, because the Nazi Hygiene ᛋervice, assisted by the army, will be mRNA-injecting as many “volunteers” as they can find for a third spiking. Don’t stand in their way complaining that you’re ill. Only a traitor would do that.
Note that as far as the third spiking is concerned, there is (for most people in Britain anyway) no non-mRNA option. Indeed even thinking about whether there should be a non-mRNA option is a crime against Her Majesty, her obnoxious health secretary (known for demanding “How about you show some respect for the NHS?”), and the state.
I had a lot of people laugh at me and call me a ‘conspiracy nutter’ when I said 3rd jabs would be coming, and that people would still be wearing face masks in Summer 2021… well, we’re way past Summer now! I hope those people enjoy wearing their masks and, quite frankly, die from their 3rd jab.
He laughs longest, who laughs last.
Great picture.
Missed the detail first time around, well done.
They don’t want visitors interfering with the cull.
Exactly. And watch as ‘nursing/care’ homes start ‘banning’ family members from visiting their suffering loved ones again. Utter scum.
It almost beggars belief how the authorities want us to think of it is “our” NHS.
The Cult of the NHS has reached new, frenzied heights. It’s practically out of control.
Why would they want the family members to see their parents being murdered by dehydration, starvation, neglect and a large dose of Midazolam? I mean, catching Covid and dying of that.
I honestly think certain people in the NHS get some kind of perverted pleasure from denying people access to their sick and dying loved ones. They are warped.
They’re socialists mate. it goes with the territory.
Yet more needless cruelty.
To go along with the needles cruelty
This doesn’t sound good,
BBC News: Covid: Omicron may require ‘very stringent response’, say Sage scientists
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59484322
Hah, I’m not clicking a BBC link. I’ll keep my blood pressure low today thanks.
I never do, and TV stuff is out of bounds as well on most channels. TalkRadio used to be good listening, but Whale and, to a lesser degree, Max are now “vaccine” proselytisers, with an added line in calling anyone who is fool enough to call in etc. to express a scintilla of doubt “stupid”. JHB seems half-converted, and the only two presenters there that are sound are o’Sullivan and Graham.
Of course, they all stay “on message”, as Ofcom is now a Department of Propaganda, sufficient to make Herr Goebbels green with envy.
I took a chance and here are the first few comments.
They require you to ‘sign in’ to up or downtick so those people will be on the list.
Attached unclipped.
Continued (so you, friends, dont have to)
Cont. 2
“eventually become similar to the common cold”
The SA Dr said it was a mild cold!
I used to like Whale, but last year he turned on people the day TalkRadio was restored from their Youtube ban. I remember he and Ash were laying into callers like James O’Brien does completely unnecessarily. Turned off and never watched him again.
It’s bad for your health all round. It’s been a joke for years.
Look at the comments. Mainly sceptical and the sceptical posts have more upvotes than down. Not bad for the BBC.
Ooooh that’s so tempting.
Ed, I got tempted
Hasn’t the general message got through to the public yet that while Omnicon might be more infectious it is even less damaging than Covid 1, 2 or 3?
Not clicking either as I would not want the BBC to think I’m interested in anything they have to say.
That’s the organisation where we had to pay for their staff to go on training courses to learn why it is wrong to lie to their customers, us.
Those courses weren’t a great success then.
Yes the BBC.. now led by an ex Goldman Sachs banker.
Yet there’s this:
https://www.cityam.com/covid-death-rate-not-rising-swap-travel-restrictions-and-mass-hysteria-for-cautious-optimism-as-omicron-mutation-is-super-mild-variant-who-and-coronavirus-experts-say/
WHO saying the new scariant isn’t as scary as first thought.
But will the government reverse course?…. Silly, of course they won’t!
‘Officials should prepare now for a “potentially significant” wave of infections while data on the variant is collected and analysed, they say.’
No shit Sherlock. Especially since we’re now in flu season.
Good to have absolute confirmation that the Moronic narrative is a load of bollocks.
I don’t think this is just a new thing in Hull. The hospitals in Norfolk and Suffolk imposed tight restrictions on visiting when “cases” in these counties began to rise about 3 weeks ago, apparently mainly in schoolchildren. In Suffolk, the County Council requested special Government intervention, and, as reported elsewhere, it has brought in some sort of tier system for schools in the county.
Our major regional hospital has been compelling phone callers to listen to the same old lengthy pre recorded message about Covid safety visiting restrictions for months now even though none of my many calls for different reasons have anything to do with visiting.
It’s almost as if they want to discourage people from telephoning them.
And that’s before you get to the multiple choice ‘press 1 for this or 2 for that’ and if you make a mistake you are compelled to start the whole rigmorol from the start.
UUURGH !
Feel the fear slaves!
Just wait until some poor soul dies within 28 days of a positive test for the moronic variant!
On another subject, it seems that your post is un-downticked, whilst the preceding ones have mostly, if not all, received the customary “one”. Can we deduce from this that the little ticker goes off and does something else at about noon? Pub, sex in the afternoon, report back to base, decent 2-bottle lunch with his handler? The mind boggles-but only a little bit.
Lightly my arse!
[not taken] Lightly my arse!
I was in South Korea for a few months during the last 2 years and their hospitals are still operating fine. I literally just walked in the door to see a Doctor and walked out again half hour later. Same at the dentist, just waltzed in and that was that. Sadly though there are no mask exemptions so you’d get ushered out of every building you tried to enter without one. It’s part of the reason I’ll never go back despite living there for more than a decade – the supposedly high IQ country displayed very little intelligence at the end of the day. I think it’s just their way of saving face by pretending that Korea’s success is solely down to the ‘masks, track & trace’ etc despite the lack of scientific evidence.
As for the NHS, they’ve had 2 years to prepare and have done what exactly?
“As for the NHS, they’ve had 2 years to prepare and have done what exactly?”
Scrapped about 5000 beds the last I heard..
Increased bed spacing to enhance In-Ward Social Distancing surely?
The NHS is ready for you.
The NHS really can’t do much on its own. And two years of splashing money on bullshit won’t have improved its state. The political theory behind this that it’s useless to invest in health infrastructure as exponential growth will overwhelm it, anyway. Better import more throwaway masks from China! And Susan Michie and her ilk are responsible for that.
This doesn’t exculpate all these high-level NHS pencilpushers who have happily participated in the great pandemic panto. But they just belong to the politico-medical blob who has staged this sorry spectacle.
“And Susan Michie and her ilk are responsible for that”
No. Government is responsible for all – here, specifically that by the Tories. That is the top and the bottom. A barmy communist adherent is beside the point.
That’s technically true. And assuming this blows up one day, I can already hear the I was just giving advice! I didn’t do anything! And I was just following orders to give advice! excuses the people who are hiding behind Boris & The Muppets will then use to try to avoid being held responsible for their actions.
Besides, which Tory government? The one which routinely implements Labour policies with Labour support and against sizable parts of its own party?
The NHS had 300,000 beds in 1987. It now has less than 140,000 and the population has increased by over 10 million in that time. NHS is being set up to fail.
New list of omicron variant symptoms
I’ve an itchy bottom this morning.. is that in there.. ???
Were you jabbed there?
A chap I worked with in the city back in the 90s said Frank, if you’re working somewhere and it grows large enough to have a HR department, quit. They are the root of all evil.
That’s what happened to the world. The kind of interfering, officious, malicious old women who used to be restricted to HR have taken over the soul of every organisation.
Communism, only a communist would invent such a thing as a ‘human resource ministry’.
Probably started when the gave the vote to Flappers.
Yawn and yawn again.
It’s a funny old world, you disagree with all my comments, yet you still read them?
The introduction of the CEO in this country was only ever going to end up one way. Massive power in the hands of a tiny minority and sucking real wealth out of the majority. Rather like Goldman Sachs in fact.. the Vampire Squid..
The face of Big Sister?
I honestly can’t believe such a fuss is being made for what, it seems, is just a mild cold, but then of course the government has a (barely hidden) agenda.
My father in law died in hospital last December. He was 94 and had alzheimers. He didn’t die of covid btw. However, we were not allowed to see him until he was on the cusp of death and was unconscious, so totally unaware we were there. Prior to that he spent a lot of time crying because he couldn’t understand why no one went to see him. He died in total misery. The refusal of visitors is all the more ironic since filthy hospitals are a major spreader of covid, and our county hospital is just disgusting – you feel like you need a shower and change of clothes after a visit. My anger at the NHS knows no bounds, and even now I find it very hard to be civil to anyone who is employed by them. The cruelty just goes on and on, doesn’t it?
That made me cry. That’s so evil. My mother is in a care home with dementia, but she is in Sweden and my father has been allowed to visit almost throughout, apart from a few months (March – June 2021). He’s been there three times a week since summer 2021.
My Mum was a nurse with 40 years ward and operating theatre experience who predicted that would happen when I told her the the government were privatising the old NHS Direct Works Maintenance teams.
Those guys ran a closed shop with lots of Spanish Practices* but if Matron told them to clean the drains they cleaned the drains.
The NHS got her in the end after she went in for a hip replacement and came out months later (no visitors) having barely survived Hospital Disease that prompt action by hospital management would have prevented. They put something else on the Death Certificate but it was HD that got her, no doubt these days she would have been a Covid death.
*Apologies to any Spanish readers but that’s what they called restrictive working practices back in the day.
This is why I don’t understand why people aren’t more angry. But as soon as anyone suggests actually doing something about it, that’s “inciting insurrection” and it’s back to the ‘peaceful protests’, on-line petitions, and sending an e-mail to your local MP (which ends up in his spam box, or gets deleted as soon as they see what it’s about).
People should barge into hospitals if they want to see their relatives and tell the nurses to stop being so bossy and to do their job properly. It’s public money they’re being paid.
Very sad to read about this sort of thing, people dying in abject misery. What sort of a ‘civilisation’ is it, that allows this kind of cruelty?
No theres just a rebrand of flu season. Seasonal bodily reactions which are not fully understood. They have proved nothing regarding new viruses causing a new disease. They have injected a bunch of people with a bio weapon – actually a multitude of bioweapons, as different victims get different concoctions. Then they blame the injuries on the virus. The virus is the cover story for their genocide and creation of illness – like how they are now trying to make out that heart attacks are normal and the uptick is happening – but its definitely not the injections causing it. THIS IS A CRIME SCENE> BY BUYING INTO THE VIRUS NARRATIVE YOU ARE PUTTING FAITH IN THE STORY THE CRIMINALS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE. BIG MISTAKE UNLESS THE EVIDENCE IS IRREFUTABLE. Covid is plausible deniability for governments waging war against their citizens, telling them its for their own good. Tyranny 101.
There is no real evidence of a novel virus. We are supposed to believe there is a virus which justifies all of this – while at the same time living with the fact there is nothing out of the ordinary or noticeable that deviates from business as usual happening to society in terms of respiratory illness. There is no virus, there is no justification for what they are doing, its clearly all agenda, nothing to do with health. Once you lose the illusion of the virus, youre left with the reality that there is NO EVIDENCE of a virus in society, just a crime scene and the chief criminals want you to believe there isa virus. Dont give them that power unless they prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. UNtil then treat them with the contempt they deserve – NO RESPECT. NO RESPECT FOR THE WORD OF LIARS AND CRIMINALS.
The way they get you is by tilting the tables in such a way that the truth is the very thing which sounds the most ridiculous. There is no virus. It sounds ridiculous with all this carry on. But all you have to do is open your eyes – there is nothing happening in society that corroborates ANYTHING they are asserting. They are hypnotists and they are really good at it. People need to see this for what it is. A CRIME SCENE. By accepting the virus you are accepting the storyline of the main suspects who are known liars – do the maths!
It’s not clear whether the orders to do this came from on high (central government) or whether someone locally has made this decision based on some misguided desire to stop the spread of the moronic variant. Either way, central government and their satanist lackeys are the most culpable for pretending that moronic is significantly dangerous and that it’s possible to stop it spreading, both of which are obvious lies.
Possibly a new broom at the top wishing to make their mark, like a dog pissing up trees to mark its territory, usually by doing something noticable but inexpensive like a change in the colour of uniforms.
Banning visits fits that bill as well as seeing that ‘something is being done’.
No.. the agents are at a local level within the health service. The NHS is riddled with Common Purpose from top to bottom..
and senior police
If masks work, then why can’t visitors just wear one??
Indeed, and if tests work, then make all visitors take a test. Even before this latest moronic variant panic, it seems to be standard practice in hospitals that only one designated visitor is allowed per patient, not just per visit but for their whole hospital stay.
Emerging from Self Isolation, all masked up, all jabbed up, all freshly sanitised and tested but still they remain filthy vectors of disease.
Yet they still dont get the message that it’s all a load of bollocks.
I’m sorry, but these people are utterly despicable. These are the type who ought to know better.
When does this end?
The NHS needs the biggest haircut ever.. starting with the parasites at the top on huge salaries and totally compromised by the agenda that’s in full flow..
Hair cut, judging personally by their ‘service’ the last 25 years I’d start at the neck!
Good one.. made me laugh..
Reminds me of the time my father was asked by a barber
‘How would you like?’
He replied ‘Please leave the ears’
Yeah.. they were the days.. I remember as a kid going in for a short back and sides with my Dad. I was facinated by George the barber sharpening his cut-throat razor on the leather belt hanging on the wall.
Known as a strop
That’s it Cecil.. I couldn’t for the life of me remember the name of it..
As are, with a few exceptions, our parliamentarians who faithfully trooped through the yes lobby yesterday evening to put the new restrictions into law.
Think of the money that could be saved with the ditching of that lot. What a total waste of time and space..
Absolutey tripping over themselves trying to demonstrate their benevolence. Our tyrant benefactors!
All this need to demonstrate compassion/caring is suffocating us. If these people were at all acting in a wise and compassionate way then we would not have to endure any of this.
As I keep repeating the purpose of every single NPI has been to make people more poorly.
Seriously, you think by banning visitors when there’s obviously (obviously for any sane and rational person) no health-related need to ban them they are seeking to demonstrate compassion? What they are demonstrating is brutality. The message is that everything you thought was a right is now a mere privilege that can be taken away without consulting you. It’s a case of “You’re in the army now”.
What’s coming soon? Parents think they have a right to look after their children’s best interests…
I suggest a different interpretation: When they’re banning visitors, they’re probably not exactly keen on outsiders witnessing what the situation in hospitals really is.
I did not express it well. My intended meaning was that they (and others) are motivated by a need to try to
demonstrateconvey compassion/caring, rather than by any natural, genuine compassion/caring. As per virtue signalling. They want to be seen/regarded as being benign/gracious/wise.My intended meaning was exactly that they, and their measures, are not compassionate/considerate – they just desire to
demonstrateportray themselves as beneficient/wonderful beings.I did not mean that they, and their measures, were compassionate. Completely the opposite. 100% these measures are not compassionate – the are completely the opposite.
Sorry for the unclear wording/thinking in my original post. I did not express myself well (a trait of mine).
It’s March 2020 again, this is how it will be forever now, most won’t notice, they’ll think the hamster wheel will end if they keep complying.
Yesterday the carrot was 3 weeks away. Today it is 4 months away.
And they’ve taken delivery of a bigger stick!
From a future encyclopaedia:
“Mass Hysteria” – See the separate volume on “The Fake Pandemic Of 2020-2”
Here we go again, kill off those who could have long lives with some treatment.
‘Don’t cancel your Christmas Parties’
From the people who gave you three weeks to flatten the curve
The cheques in the post and I won’t…………..’
Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson’s latest press conference
Has anyone asked the patients?
“The grinning grandma-of-seven” – Beverley Geary
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/grinning-grandma-history-vaccine-nurse-4783227
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/angel-death-nurse-beverley-allitt-1810614?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=exchange
The decision to murder tens of thousands in the care homes was not taken ‘lightly’
Yes.. and the Midazolam supplies are being re stocked..
Why don’t they treat asymptomatic cases?
We’re not introducing these restrictions lightly – in fact, it cost us several months and a hell lot hot air to get Boris-the-breaded-bacon back in line – just at the earliest opportunity where we have reason to believe that we will again get away with it. We must protect our unionized employees from strange people! It’s bad enough that they can’t provide remote pallative care to the patients we unfortunately have to treat already!
Suggested treatment for that: Firing squad. Excess cowardice while on duty.
Don’t confuse the NHS luvvies for the people of ‘ull. We are proud of our disrespect for authority (dating back to the times of King Billy) and suspect the levels of mask non-compliance in ‘ull will be greater than most places.
Unfortunately not so in my experience, what I can’t understand is why such an independently minded city has fallen for this bollox, then I remember that Hull has an ‘it’s the Council’s fault/responsibility’ culture (even for things that aren’t remotely in the remit of the Council) due to years of Socialism and mass council housing after WW2. It saddens me.
Hell’s teeth, just had 4 days no power no internet and I come back to omicron, 4th jabs, more masks, and fucking fear porn on the bbc and already they’ve used the word vaccine about 2000 times this morning.
It’s only when you’ve been away you realise how nuts it all is. Whilst dodging falling trees, I made a contribution to sanity. Went into two solicitors offices / estate agents (often the same place in Scotland). Asked them about business, ie more wills and house sales as a a result of deaths. Nope. Nothing. All is perfectly normal for the last two years, as far as they are concerned, normal increase in winter. The joy of witnessing the lightbulb moment cheered me immensely.
The vaccines may not work against the moronic mutant, get a booster.
Yeah.. a booster.. so named to take the edge off the fact its the same shite you had before..
Full immunisation, followed by doubleplusfull immunisation.
Sen. Ron Johnson, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Tess Lawrie & Australian Politicians Webinar.
So presumably people will cease to attend if at all possible – in order to be supported by loved ones (a critical part of healing) – and this will drive up deaths. Great work NHS. Clap.
…
I approve that advert.
Maybe Fuck NHS Management?
No.
This Scamdemic has opened my eyes. I cannot believe how utterly thick, stupid, lazy and ill-educated most doctors are. Staggering.
To be fair, they haven’t been able to post many Tik Tok dance moves for quite a while. These things don’t make themselves, you know. BTW, I live in Hull and have done for over 40 years. It is indeed a strange place. One good thing, though, is the lack of people who aren’t white.
It will get injected with diversity soon.
Because it’s not like they didn’t have these restrictions before and hospitals had one of the highest transmission rates…. Rinse and repeat.
Perhaps if all frontline staff weren’t allowed to wear their uniforms on the bus, in tesco…
Surface transfer isn’t an issue – it’s spread by aerosols, so as soon as it gets into a hospital (which it will,and probably sooner rather than later) it has the ideal conditions to spread – lots of ill people in a small area.
“lots of ill people in a small area”.. in an overheated small area..
“Hospital bosses said birthing partners will still be allowed to attend when a woman is in labour“.
How transphobic
Didn’t they get the memo? That should be “birthing partners will still be allowed to attend when a gestational parent is in labour”.
Clap for the NHS. My arse!!
The only way I can imagine denazifying the NHS would be for medical staff with courage and principles to group together and whistleblow. For this they will need to step out of their institutionalised stupor and see the bigger picture. If they do not, the NHS will continue to be used as a terrorist weapon in the hands of the persons responsible for this crime. The NHS is the UK’s biggest employer as far as I know. So we all know at least one NHS employee. Time to start applying pressure.
There won’t be any medical staff with courage and principles left come next April.
Some of them can see the bigger picture, albeit through a fog, but that goes for all of us sceptics to some extent. What they need to do is start talking with each other in a way that leads somewhere, without any union representative aspiring future “human resources” official present.
This is why people have been saddled with mortgages for their homes, and other debts – to keep them in line and fearful of losing their job and income. Fear of being made homeless and hungry, Few nurses and doctors will become ‘whistleblowers’.
“Fear” the control mechanism of the 20th/21st centuries, ‘whistleblowers’ are just labelled conspiracy theorists or criminals now.
Yes.. you’re dead right there with the mortgage necklace..
I think you should lead the way via your teaching “profession.”
Please keep us up to date with the progress of your own whistleblow group.
Go on – you can do it.
And yes, the NHS is the UK’s biggest employer.
Gold medalist athlete, 24, dies 2 weeks after contracting Covid — RT Sport News
The article then links to these recent cases.
.https://www.rt.com/sport/541525-russian-ice-hockey-young-star-dies/
https://www.rt.com/sport/539312-bruno-sadecki-hockey-player-khl-death/
Same NHS that promotes mental health awareness now a major contributor to new mental health disorders in Hull (and elsewhere) abusing the most vulnerable people at a time of great stress that is inevitable with hospitalisation and visiting. Once again we see NHS run for the convenience and ease of staff and not the patients.
I wouldn’t blame this on the staff in general. More on the people who came to the NHS because that was another political career, IOW, the managers.
An aspect of what lies behind this sort of decision.
Leaving aside the basic venality that lies at the root of the current totalitarian suppression, every day brings further examples of the ‘Floater Syndrome’ : the way in which the promotion of the simply incompetent to positions of considerable power has passed a critical point. Decision making is very much left to those incapable of the job as a class of escapees, significance seekers and arse-lickers have been disproportionately placed in roles way above their abilities.
The venal are supported by a whole cadre of intellectually and morally weak and characterless functionaries.
Sounds like socialism.
For the indelibly gormless and clueless : the neoliberal right has actually been in charge for 40-odd years. Doh!
That’s the problem with defining yourself as a negative : you just become a black hole where intelligence should be.
Yep, sounds more & more like a socialist.
Please … we’re all on the side of individual liberty and debating how to recover it. I’d probably agree with both of you on some things, just as in the vote in March Davis Davis and Desmond Swayne voted on the same side as Clive Lewis and Graham Stringer MP.
Please, Sir….. He started it.
Best comment. Trust me this is the case in most corporations too. I can name an investment bank I worked for. Once those incompetents make it to the top through arse licking they protect their positions by hiring only incompetent people (growing and growing in numbers by the day through our education system). You see, they know they’re useless. Truly competent staff get demonised and pushed out. Slowly slowly departments become cockroach motels.
We are witnessing the social corporatisation of industries, including the government.
Absolutely 100%. The civil service, indeed I believe all public service employer’s are the same – they now routinely employ idiots and promote the lazy and incompetents.
Before I left some of the newly recruited staff struggled to communicate in written English. Spoken English wasn’t much better.
And this is nowhere more true than in the civil service.
Anything to allow the soon to be sainted or else sacked healthcare professionals to exert control over the great unwashed. Last year I had a staff nurse tell me that I could visit my partially blind, hard of hearing 89 year old mother in hospital for 1 hour once a week. While standing in a deserted, empty 6 bed ward. My mother was in a side room.
It’s pretty clear that large sections of our society really quite enjoy these restrictions and seek to bring them back any time they can.
Only if they’re getting paid.
Some of them would like the furlough scheme to return – 80% wages (or more if the employer decides to top it up), for sitting on their arse at home.
yep, precisely
Dont forget – there is a group of people doing this intentionally and they are laughing in your face at how easy it is for them to get away with this crap:
COVID-19 Predictive Programming at the 2012 Olympics in London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4aiScgSvCs
I watched the latest Dan Brown movie, Inferno, last night. The whole narrative is a concoction of covid and Cock26. It even has the whole “1 minute to midnight” rhetoric they used to argue carbon zero.
As you say, they’re laughing at us.
Yes the climate change from CO2 world going to end hoax is pure fear driven control bullshit. Their sales pitch is this:
“Do what we tell you to do or the world is going to end”.
Mafia style bullying and coercion. They have no credilbility, nothing they are doing is legit, its all inverted and upside down. They have been doing this for decades, now it is becoming undeniably obvious.
This old book has some clues about this:
report from iron mountain
https://www.pdfdrive.com/report-from-iron-mountain-e57187892.html
UK Column News – 1st December 2021
Unfortunately.. it seems those Covid 19 alerts may be fake.. I said maybe. There’s been a lot of discussion on Off Guardian about them. Now, whether they are or not I don’t know, I’m just pointing this out..
If anybody from the Leeds/Wakefield area is reading this: a spate of stickers/little notices has appeared in the area, carrying the headline “The Police Are Not Your Friends”….then a bit more Dave Spart- style agitprop, then a number to ring to join whatever the group calls itself.
They’re all over the place; none has been removed. Very suspicious. Don’t ring that number, folks.
The police are your friend if you are a Muslim rapist, black lives matter, antifa, a whoopsie, transgender or an illegal immigrant.
If you are an indigenous heterosexual Brit the police will smash your skull at the first opportunity.
Sad to say that seems par for the course at the moment..
If it’s counter propaganda, i’m OK with that.
It’s not really news. The James Paget in Yarmouth stopped allowing visitors around the first week of November.
It isn’t the visitors that are spreading covid within hospitals.
Ah- Chief Nurse Beverley Geary! Sorry, I misread her surname as “Allitt”. My mistake.
This is what it’s all about .. Chinafication
https://www.bitchute.com/video/od03vT1BSvND/
Please share widely as you can .. it needs to go viral
Another reported “Suddenlydied” – as usual now, no explanation given, just a biography.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10262143/Scotland-international-rugby-player-Siobhan-Cattigan-tragically-dies.html
Only so long they can try and glaze over all these young tragic deaths without demands for explanations.
How about a Hannibal Lecter mask campaign? Let’s freak the maskers out.
I’ve been thinking about getting one of those plague doctor masks with the long beak for use if I go somewhere that the exemption won’t work (e.g. the gym I go to, though they haven’t reimposed mask enforcement yet)
There was someone wandering round an area of Norwich last year dressed as a plague doctor. Ended up getting a ‘words of advice’ from the pigs as it was upsetting kids apparently.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-52533718
The Hull University Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust has said ‘We need to start murdering the elderly at higher rates in order to justify the vaccine passports and its much harder to kill people with any relatives around.’
‘Hello Doctor I think my mother has had an adverse reaction to that warp speed jab you stuck in her two hours ago’
Doctor -‘Don’t be daft these warp speed jabs are ‘safe and effective’ everyone says so’.
‘Doctor my mother is unconcious and is showing all the signs of having a stroke, please come and help her’.
Doctor ‘Soz, I’m doing boosta jabs today and all the rest of the month, £15 a pop, if I come out to your mum I’ll lose at least £300 worth of jab bonus cash, and that aint happening’.
‘My mother just died, I want you to report this on the yellow card system as an adverse reaction’
Doctor ‘It is my professional view that the vaccine had nothing to do with your mother’s stroke, if these vaccines get pulled I will lose all my £15 a go bonus cash and I’ve got a luxury Christmas to pay for’.
That about sums it up.
Yes, only the hospitals should be able to spread Covid, not the poor unfortunate relatives who want to visit.
This is evil, the NHS is evil.
The NHS saving itself once more after we actually saved it for them last year and this .Ungreatful bastards, self serving hierarchy enjoying their timein the sun …WHILE IT LASTS !!!!
Not enough folk did the ‘Thursday evening clap’ in Hull and this is the NHS revenge.
Thank you for keeping us all safe at this difficult time.
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Yes they are. They have done so without evidence that this variant is a threat. And in taking this action will cause more panic, upset and anguish. Shame on them.
The “Pathway” ( to Hull?) will be popular in hospitals this winter, then.
This madness is caused by hysteria in our government and medical classes.
Yet again panicking the sheep, ruining the recovery and abusing the population.
Why can’t people see through this insanity.
I’m stunned.
Blimey, they’ll be testing for flu, norovirus and mumps next. Okay I know they’re nowhere near as serious as the Great Covid, I’m just a silly person.
Iwould be very wary of hospitals restricting visitors after the midazolam ruckus.
Isn’t it a shame hospitals don’t follow the science? Not only a shame, also worrying. Just makes one wonder how many other things they make a mess of. Looking at all the serious hospital related adverse events and deaths, the numbers are worrying.
I was in hospital after a life saving operation last December. No visits, no going outside the ward doors, little contact with the outside world.. It was only by sheer luck that I had just bought a new smartphone and was thus able to play games, facebook, message and keep in touch with children, husband etc. This edict is yet another example of inhumanity, like the months that care home residents had to endure and are still enduring in places, like the edict last year “don’t kill Granny”. Who are these petty robotic dictators?