Reuters “Fact Check” Claims Daily Sceptic Arctic Sea Ice Story was “Misleading”, But Can’t Find Any Wrong Facts

The international news agency Reuters has 'fact-checked' a recent Daily Sceptic article on the progress of Arctic sea ice and found it “misleading”, despite not being able to point to a single incorrect fact.

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The international news agency Reuters has ‘fact-checked‘ a recent Daily Sceptic article on the progress of Arctic sea ice and found it “misleading”, despite not being able to point to a single incorrect fact. Its nonsensical final “verdict” noted that I quoted sea ice levels and stated that it was “not proof that climate change is not happening”. I did not say that it was, and the original article stated clearly in the second paragraph that “in historical and geological terms these changes are insignificant”. Over the last 200 years, I wrote, sometimes there is a lot of ice, sometimes much less.

Amongst those called to give evidence to the Reuters inquiry was Climate Science Professor James Screen of Exeter University. He noted the data from the EU’s Copernicus weather service, on which some of the article was based, “appeared to be authentic”, but claimed the article misread short-term variability and longer-term climate change response. One might wonder why Professor Screen couldn’t find out if the figures come from Copernicus. ‘Appears’ is a weasel word designed to cast doubt where none exists.

Below is the Copernicus graph which I included in my article on April 29th, and here is the link to the full report on the official site.

My story noted that coverage of Arctic sea ice was now very close to the 1991-2020 average, well above the 2012 low point and higher than 2020. According to the latest report from Copernicus, the 2021 March sea ice extent was just 3% below the 30-year average (March is the annual maximum extent of sea ice in the Arctic). In fact, since publication, the 2022 March level has been detailed. It is slightly higher than the year before and the seventh highest amount in the last 17 years.

I continued the article by putting the waxing and waning of Arctic sea ice in some historical context, noting that very low levels had been observed by sailors in the early 19th century. I noted that there were observations suggesting the ice returned in later years, only to retreat again. In addition, I supplied a graph produced by a group of Canadian scientists and compiled from over 25,000 records dating back to the early 1800s for east Newfoundland and the Gulf of St Lawrence. These also confirmed low amounts of ice in the near Arctic in the early 1800s, subsequent increases and lighter amounts from the 1930s onwards.

My original article circulated widely on social media. Professor Screen complains that the article mixed weather with human-caused climate change and then “cherry picks” the lowest year on record. The article does nothing of the sort of course, as we can see, but rather attempts to put recent trends in context with longer term records. As we often note at the Daily Sceptic, we know the climate will always change. Denial of this obvious fact seems more prevalent in those who seek to stop it doing so.

Reuters then goes on to quote from a 2018 NASA study that found sea ice extent is growing faster in the winter months, but that growth is offset by warming and melting in the summer months. It is said to make more sense to measure sea ice in September “because this is when it is at its lowest after the summer months”. Examination of the Copernicus graph shows we displayed both March and September figures for all to see.

Of course, Reuters wasn’t just trying to trip the Daily Sceptic up on facts, rather it was attempting to cast doubt on work such as ours that aims to place individual events in a wider context of climate history. Such work is discouraged across almost all mainstream media these days, when it fails the ‘settled’ climate change test that ultimately backs up the command-and-control Net Zero project. It seems every fact or event must be incorporated into a correct green political agenda, but this presents huge problems for any independent writer. Professor Screen shows some of the difficulties involved. Noting that sea ice levels have recovered since 2012, he went on to say it was “not an indication of ‘recovery’ in the sense that climate change isn’t real or has stopped, but just reflects starting from a very low base”.

If reporting a trend over a decade is dodgy, and drawing conclusions from any one event is certainly out, let’s see how Reuters puts this into practice with its own reportage.

In September 2020, the news agency published an article titled “Wild weather this year shows growing impact of climate change, scientists say”. It goes on to note that for decades, scientists have warned of such events, but had been wary of saying that a particular storm or heatwave was a direct result of climate change. “That’s now changing,” said Reuters. Rather than triggering an immediate ‘fact check’, the article continued: “Advances in a relatively new field known as ‘event attribution science’, have enabled researchers to assess how big a role climate change might have played in a specific case.”

On March 26th this year, Reuters quoted scientists who attributed the “disintegration” of an East Antarctica ice shelf to a period of “extreme heat” in the region. The March heatwave was said to be “off scale” by glaciologist Peter Neff. We investigated this ‘heatwave’ story, that made headlines around the world, on March 28th. We found it originated with Associated Press and was published by a number of channels including the Microsoft Network. An MSM distributed diagram was said to show a heatwave over large areas of the continent. Clicking on a caption revealed the following; “Simulation of temperature differences from normal centered over Antarctica from the American (GFS) model.” In other words, the heatwave tale was mostly based on a computer model called the Global Forecast System. Meanwhile, data from the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station during the same period found no evidence of a heatwave from March 17th-22nd, bar a very small rise to minus-56°F on the morning of March 18th. Four days later, the model-simulated heatwave had also gone.

In fact, the Amundsen-Scott station was conspicuously not in the news last year when most media did not generally report that it had recorded the coldest winter at the South Pole since records began in 1957. Possibly Reuters mentioned this interesting event when it first became public knowledge, although a Google search fails to find any trace. It did however ‘fact check‘ some general commentary about Antarctica’s coldest winter on social media, finding it was ”missing context”. “These temperatures do not discredit climate change,” it said. “A six-month period is not long enough to validate a climate trend.”

Of course – hardly worth bothering about. Move along please, we will give you all the fact-checked climate facts you need.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor.

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Sopwiththecamel
Sopwiththecamel
4 years ago

I should have mentioned the source for the below is the NSIDC.

Meanwhile over at the NOAA the most accurate land based temperature set ever created, the Climate Reference Network, USCRN, shows that since the network opened in 2005 the temperature of the continental USA has fallen slightly.

Sopwiththecamel
Sopwiththecamel
4 years ago

Arctic ice, The annual maximum extent in millions of square kilometres. Year, area, date.
2016………………… 14.52……..March 2   (altered down several years later)
2017…down to……..14.43……..March 7   (altered down several years later)
2018……up to…….. 14.48……..March 17
2019……up to……… 14.78……..March 3
2020……up to……… 15.05……..March 5 – this was extraordinary.
2021…down to…….. 14.77……..March 21
2022….up to…………..14.88………Feb 25

David Walker
David Walker
4 years ago

“ Its nonsensical final “verdict” noted that I quoted sea ice levels and stated that it was “not proof that climate change is not happening”.”

Nonsensical most definitely!

Climate change is certainly happening, it has been for around four billion years and will continue to do so until the Earth loses its atmosphere.

As to mankind’s capability to influence it, we can no more significantly do so than we can significantly alter the time the Sun rises and sets.

Johnny Dollar
Johnny Dollar
4 years ago

The Climate Crises Kings & Queens!
Conflict of Interest: Reuters ‘Fact Checks’ COVID-Related Social Media Posts, But Fails to Disclose Ties to Pfizer, World Economic ForumReuters is now in the business of “fact-checking” Facebook and Twitter posts about COVID vaccines — despite having ties to Pfizer, World Economic Forum and Trusted News Initiative.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reuters-fact-check-covid-social-media-pfizer-world-economic-forum/

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

”Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom”
by Patrick Moore.

Jack Daw
Jack Daw
4 years ago

I used to read the Reuters website and receive their daily update, but stopped a while ago when I realised they refer to Black (upper case B) and white (lower case w) people. It seems somewhat racist, Their climate change reporting is equally biased in a particular direction. There are so few media outlets left that offer neutral, unbiased reporting.

Michael Staples
Michael Staples
4 years ago

Great piece by Chris Morrison nailing the lengths to which climate alarmists and their media stooges twist scientific facts to suit their pre-conceived conclusions..

Spirit of the wind
Spirit of the wind
4 years ago

Sea ice extent is now touching the 1980’s coverage, the AMO (Atlantic Multi Decadal Oscilation) is probably the reason for this waxing and waining of Arctic sea ice.
AGW is basicaly a scam, a money grab, underpinned by fraudulent practices posing as science.
They might be fooling “the suckers” but they ain’t fooling me.

MAY-2022.GIF
Quartzite shift
Quartzite shift
4 years ago

A few random thoughts, sea ice loss in the Arctic is indicative of nothing but changes in oceanic currents in the Arctic basin.
It gets cold in winter, you see the sun stops coming up over the horizon, total darkness erm and no albedo effect, that point is probably too subtle for reuter’s fact ‘checkers’.
Records only began charting Arctic sea ice in 1979, everyone except reuters will agree, that the ice was thick and extensive, then.
If one looks at the overall sea ice anomaly, you can quite easily note that the sea ice in Boreal and Austral combined is relatively unchanged.
Often experts mistake sea ice for ice caps, only dull witted advocates make that grievous error.
Calving ice sheets mean a growing glacier or ice sheet not retreat.
Everything going on in the Polar regions is explanatory, there is and can be found no man made signal.

paul parmenter
paul parmenter
4 years ago

Remember that in newspeak, the term “misleading” can now mean “leading readers away from where we want them to go, and leading them to where we don’t want them to go.”

No reflection on where the truth may lie.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

An age of flint and iron and bone. Where fire worship becomes widespread simply because firelighting resources become scarce. Perhaps somehow and impossibly we will see the slow death of smartphones. T.S. Eliot said in the 1950s that a time would come shortly when western culture would have to retreat back into the monasteries. I suspect that something like this will happen. Perhaps we can keep the flame lit as we go through this I think it is worth the effort.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago

Although arctic sea ice plays an important role in the planet’s climate and environmental system and sea ice thickness is one of the most important sea ice parameters, accurately obtaining the sea ice thickness and its changes (which has great significance for Arctic and global change research) is currently poorly observed, poorly documented, and poorly archived. 

So ‘fact checks’ are a bit pointless until measurement improves, so not really fact checks at all then…..

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

What happens when sea ice melts?

Precisely nothing. It’s utterly meaningless.

brachiopod
brachiopod
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Apart from the ‘feedback’ that shuts down high latitude oceanic circulation and results in cooling of e.g. Northern Europe.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

Recent research reports that the Gulf Stream Heat Transport Has Increased 30% over the last 100 years.

Press release from the University of Bergen: https://partner.sciencenorway.no/arctic-climate-environment/the-gulf-stream-extention-has-increased-steadily-over-the-last-century/1970976

How does your feedback work now?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

No Answer after 7 hours came the loud reply from the climate freak!

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

It is being used as an indicator of climate change:

‘The extent of area covered by Arctic sea ice is an important indicator of changes in global climate because warmer air and water temperatures are reducing the amount of sea ice present.’

But the volume of ice cannot be accurately measured so it useless as that kind of indicator.

So Reuters can stick their pompous and pointless ‘fact checks’ where the sun don’t shine.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

‘The only way to continuously monitor the volume of sea ice in Antarctica is with satellite measurements from space. Such measurements have a large uncertainty as the sea-ice layer is a very complex structure and too little is known about it.’

Endurance 22

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Entirely agree.

Shock horror!

RHS and Monro agree once again!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Warmer air is contributing is it?

LOL. How much would air temperature have to increase by to melt ice in an environment around -20ºC?

Indeed, how much would air temperature have to increase to warm the contents of the worlds oceans?

I agree with you that the volume of ice is difficult to measure unless the change was dramatic, which it isn’t.

I also agree with you about the fact checks.

Which is, I suspect, a first, that we agree on anything, far less two elements of the same argument.

Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

To my mind the frightening thing that I take from this report is that it seems impossible to have a rational, balanced, cool headed debate on this subject. The climate change zealots have now so much capital invested in the climate story and the net zero carbon policy that it seems that any attempt at discussion and debate is futile. I have heard people talk of climate change being now ‘baked in’ and not open to discussion.

I guess if you think about it, any suggestion that this is not quite the issue that it seems would undermine the whole agenda on electric cars, heat pumps, not drilling for oil and gas etc. The green net zero agenda seems like a fragile house of cards that could come tumbling down which is why they are so desperate to block any rational debate on the subject. They have set a green agenda which suits them and puts us all under their power and control and they are terrified of losing that future.

I do not know how this is going to end? but for now I foresee ever more powerful efforts to defend the green, climate change, net zero… Read more »

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

We are already in the early stages of a minor cold period. I say minor but it happens to coincide with the agenda of our overlords who are well aware of these matters. One of them was even caught wearing a necklace with an upside down cross surrounded by small red rubies. In symbology this is the death of the sun and the invasion of other forces which were kept in check bevorehand by the sun’s plenipotentiary power. As an Englishman you should know it and it should resonate with similar periods before. You made it from the ice age to the present so it shouldn’t be too big a challenge dealing with the prats in charge of the corpotocracy.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Ice Age coming! ( But we will not see it!)

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I’m sure I would be bored with life by the time northern latitudes were covered in a mile of ice.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

There is something ultimately promising about this agenda. That when people are starving and freezing to death they might begin to ken that this agenda isn’t as benign as it seems. But you never know, with their dying breath they still might insist that it’s worth it. This is all a consequence of us losing, or rather being too timid to face the higher teaching. P.D. Ouspensky asked Gurdjieff why the secret teaching was kept hidden from the masses. And Gurdjieff said that it isn’t kept hidden at all. It is that there is little willingness to receive it. Many more people are capble of receiving it than want to receive it.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago

Assuming atmospheric CO2 is the only climate change influence, IPCC data itself informs us that mankind’s emissions, being ~3% – 4% of total CO2 emissions, would take 25,000 years to raise the planet’s temperature by 2ºC.

Straightforward arithmetic.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You’ve claimed this before. Please show your maths.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

I’ve shown the Arithmetic dummy, on numerous occasions. Even you can do it yourself, I hope.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I knew there was no point in treating you seriously even for a second.

I haven’t read all your previous posts and I’m certainly not going to trawl back through them, as that would involve reading a potentially fatal amount of utter crap.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Why can’t you work it out?

Why do I have to do all the work for you?

It’s straightforward arithmetic using officially recognised number the IPCC have announced many times.

Figure it out like I did.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Stop wasting time and copy and paste your workings.

You lied to me before on Ukraine and statistics for ceasefire violations in the Donbass. And for sure, you’re either lying or ignorant this time too.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

I gave you factual, reported information on the Ukrainian attack on Donbas.

You didn’t like it so now resort to denying official reports. Cognitive dissonance doesn’t begin to describe your level of denial.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You failed to distinguish between Ukrainian attacks and rebel attacks, and attributed them all to Ukraine. It was a lie, you persisted in it, and you still persist in it.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

It makes no odds. western Ukraine artillery was positioned on the border of Donbas. It was an act of aggression. Eastern Ukrainians were defending their position.

Guess why no UN country in the world has come to the aid of western Ukraine?

Because they know that Putin’s delivery of UN Article 51 to the Security Council was legal and no one now dare intervene or they break international law by assisting an aggressor.

Why does the obvious just pass you by every, singe, time?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You’re not even able to deny it’s a lie any more.

You begin in ignorance. You attempt to extract figures from a complicated chart. You fail. You come up with a completely incorrect statistic. You broadcast it here. Eventually, someone takes the time to wade through your source, at which point they discover you’re talking complete crap.

They ask you to show workings. You refuse. You say look back at my posts. But there are thousands of them, this is how you spend your life.

You persist in your lie.

That’s the LukeWarmScotty strategy, in a nutshell.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Where have I extracted information from a complicated chart?
(Answer, I haven’t)

What incorrect statistic did I come up with?
(Answer, all internationally accepted data recognised by the IPCC)

What source did someone wade through?
(Answer, the only source I have cited is the IPCC)

What crap am I talking?
(Answer, none. Arithmetic using IPCC data can’t be crap, can it?)

My question: How could you know any of this unless you had seen my workings?
(Answer, you couldn’t)

I did the work to reach the numbers. The only thing you have to do is figure out a key term and search a few climate articles on DS and the solution is there for you.

But this is far too difficult for you, despite me giving you at least one key term to search for.

You want everything presented to you on a plate.

Do some work. Lazy cretin. How could anyone expect you to understand, far less undertake Arithmetic?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I’m talking about the Ukrainian statistics, numbskull.

Now you’re doing the same again. You come up with a number. You claim it’s sourced from a reputable site. But anyone would look for it in vain. Because actually, it’s a piece of crap you came up with in your own head.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

The graph I found (which you didn’t) wasn’t a graph but columns of text and numbers.

Try to learn the difference.

The “graph” merely illustrated western Ukraine was the aggressor but you pretended you knew what you were talking about by asking how many shots were fired by who.

I found the data, you do your part and figure out what you want from it yourself.

The number of shots fired by who is utterly irrelevant, but your usual tactic is to reduce anything you don’t like to irrelevance.

The declaration that Russia had intervened in western Ukrainian aggression was delivered precisely, and legally, in terms of UN Article 51. It’s there in black and white. Do some work, look it up, it’s only a paragraph long (although I have posted it) and try to read it.

The fact that no UN member nation has intervened to support western Ukraine, short of them supplying hand held weapons, is irrefutable.

They are not just entitled to, but morally obliged to, assuming their support is not considered supportive of an aggressor.

At its most basic, western Ukraine called for a no fly zone to be enforced by UN members. They were refused.

… Read more »

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The number of shots fired by who is utterly irrelevant

And here we have it. LukeWarm’s brilliant dissection of the Ukrainian conflict.

He actually seriously think it doesn’t matter who fires the shots!

I wonder how many people you fitted up as a cop?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

He actually seriously think it doesn’t matter who fires the shots!

That wasn’t your argument. You were demanding to know how many shots were fired by whom. Now whose the liar?

The fact that western Ukraine were on the border of east Ukraine shooting into Donbas indicates they are, ad have been for the last 8 years, the aggressor.

Has eastern Ukraine attacked Kiev? Not in 8 years they haven’t, the persistent insurgency has been from west to east.

Western Ukraine are the aggressors. This is indisputable.

You can try to change the dynamics of the discussion all you want, but the fact remains, a UN member nation (Russia) intervened in an act of aggression by western Ukraine, against another UN member nation (eastern Ukraine) which they are entitled to do, and every other UN nation is now hands off because Putin conducted his intervention entirely in accordance with Article 51.

The facts here are indisputable. You just can’t face up to them, so consumed are you with irrational hatred.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You were demanding to know how many shots were fired by whom

Yes, and it turned out you hadn’t a clue.

I introduce you to a new concept for you in war: yes, it matters which side is firing the shots.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Yes, and it turned out you hadn’t a clue.

Factually wrong. I don’t care. I’m only interested in who the aggressor is.

By your logic, if a defender fired 1,000 rounds of artillery and the aggressor only dropped one nuclear weapon, the defender would be in the wrong.

Grow up Fingers. You are completely out your depth.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

By your logic, if a defender fired 1,000 rounds of artillery and the aggressor only dropped one nuclear weapon, the defender would be in the wrong.

Clueless.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

It’s your logic freak, not mine.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

I wonder how many people you fitted up as a cop?

At least I was a cop. What have you ever done of value?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

A bad cop is not an asset to anyone

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Prove I was a bad cop. Simpleton.

You were going to enlighten us all as to your benefit to society, weren’t you?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

No answer came the loud reply. After 5 hours, Fingal admits by omission that he has contributed precisely nothing to public life, yet sneeringly suggests I was a bad cop.

Fucking ingrate. What a complete slime ball.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

I don’t “claim it’s sourced from a valid site”, the numbers used in the calculation are sourced from the IPCC. Isn’t that valid?

Just by invoking a simple search on no more than two, perhaps three previous DS climate articles, I could find my post detailing the calculation in, perhaps, 5 minutes. Probably much less, but certainly no more.

I told you, I have posted at least one key term but not only can’t you figure out how to operate a simple search function in your browser, you are too lazy to do it if you could.

Your problem, as usual Fingers, is that you just make shit up and regurgitate it in a post. When someone refutes it all you can muster is ‘Liar, liar, pant’s on fire’.

I would say it’s puerile, but you probably have no idea what that means, and as you can’t operate a simple search function, you are incapable of finding out what it means.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Your usual tactic is to leave a discussion when faced with evidence you’re wrong, then claim you didn’t see it.

You saw it alright. How could you? You don’t miss a chance to chant ‘Liar, liar, pants on fire’, do you Fingers?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Is atmospheric CO2 the only thing affecting global temperatures?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

~Fingal now confused~

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago

Fact checkers? Formerly known as spin doctors.
Funny how they only “fact” check certain things, and very rarely actually present any actual facts to disprove the articles, instead they spin the original out of context, then usually disprove themselves using double negatives.
Also notice they never check the facts on certain politicians, or narratives that are demonstrably false, but get involved when people have pointed out that they are false, weird.
Just another division of the propaganda wing.

JXB
JXB
4 years ago

‘Misleading’ = refute our official lies.

Arctic Sea Ice extent is a measure of area not mass. Anything which floats can be spread out or compressed together, oil for example, so the same mass can cover a larger or smaller area.

Surface ice can be influenced by surface or underwater currents, wind speed and direction, water temperature – as well as near surface temperature. It can only be a proxy for global warming but as such because of multiple influences and notorious historic variability, it is a very unreliable one, like tree-ring proxies, to the point of uselessness.

It tells us all we need to know about ‘climate change’ when those peddling it refer exclusively to proxies: sea ice, Polar bears, ski slopes, tree-rings, animal migration, wildfires, etc.

Climate is the study of meteorological factors measured, recorded and averaged over the long term – preferably thousands/tens of thousands of years to smooth out extremes at the margins variation around from the mean.

Yet never do climate ‘scientists’ show us these records to support their claims that there is a trend so far away from natural variation that it will wipe out all life on Earth, together… Read more »

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

…..

Carbon_Dioxide_Geological_4600mya_.jpeg
Alex B
Alex B
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Why was that down ticked? FFS!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Alex B

Fingal probably. He suffers badly from Cognitive dissonance.

Richard789
Richard789
4 years ago

There is a pretty graph in the Times today (I think it was in the sponsored supplement, but have left the newspaper in a cafe) showing the vanishing of the Arctic ice cap. It looked like its area had fallen to about a third of what it used to be. But if you looked at the vertical axis, you saw that the base line was 13 million square km, not zero, and that the actual fall was from 15.5 to 14. So even if the numbers were right, they had been deliberately presented in a way that would create maximum (and unjustified) alarm. Even at school, aged 12 or so, I was taught that if your axis misses out a chunk of values you put a zig-zag in it to draw attention to this fact. Of course they did not.

JXB
JXB
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard789

Yes but you went to school, they went to a propaganda factory.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Yes the success of which is evidenced by the total inability of the ‘Covidioits’ to read and expose the deliberate distortion, selection and misrepresentation of Covid stats in fraudulent and misleading graphs, pumped out daily by the MS Media, to both generate and maintain the Covid Fear and drive the mass vax campaign over the last two years.

The average person can no longer read graphs and ask the appropriate questions on their validity

Ivor Cummins spent months trying to point out the constant fraud in the presentation of graphs and stats involving Covid – without obvious success.

The simple truth that graphs and tables can use selected information presented in such a way as to say what what you want them to say seems lost on so many.

Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago

That would be the Reuters that’s “partnered” with the WEF to provide exclusive content distribution, yes?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Yes, ‘conspiracy’ in action!

twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
4 years ago

You can’t argue with an idiot (MSM)!

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

‘Reuters Fact Checkers’

That’s quite enough there.

Fortyman
Fortyman
4 years ago

Par for many fact checkers over the last two years. Precious few facts and much opinion. Wonder why? ..Not

J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago

Can the ‘fact checkers’ tell us what happened to the hole in the ozone layer?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

It’s been a big success for emissions control under the Montreal Protocol. Probably the best-supported piece of international climate legislation.

J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

If emissions are under control, then what’s the problem?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Emissions of CFCs, not carbon dioxide. CFCs are reckoned to be about 2,000x more destructive for the same volume.

Cooperation to remove CFCs has been easier to get essentially because it was very much cheaper and easier than CO2 to eliminate from industry and lifestyles.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Tree cover loss is responsible for eight per cent of all annual carbon emissions, maybe chopping down rain forest needs to be answered first

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Virgin greening has grown by 14% over 35 years of satellite observations. 70% of that is directly attributable to increased atmospheric CO2, including in the Amazon rain forest.

Two continents the size of mainland USA of extra vegetation according to one of the NASA scientists.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

After 50 years of trying, how do we even begin to go about it when we are dealing with the activities of the very faux Green Global Corporates and Banks who are pushing Carbon Zero!

Exploitation , Hypocrisy and Greed win every time

J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Carbon dioxide feeds plants and trees. If there really is a problem with excess CO2, why do western governments persistently destroy natural land under the claim there is a “housing crisis” – while the same governments import millions of fighting age men from African nations?

Our infrastructure is buckling under the weight of these people moving in since the days of Tyrant Tony.

Surely this is the crisis which needs to be addressed?

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Controlling CFC emissions is easy and (AFAIK) not widely disputed. It does show what can be achieved.

I know members here dispute the CO2 issue but that’s another (much longer) story.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

What CO2 issue do others on here dispute?

JASA
JASA
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Indeed, or destroy peat bogs in Scotland (and elsewhere) to build wind turbines. Peat bogs are very good carbon sinks, so it is a bit perverse to destroy them (by drying them up and filling them with cement for the foundations), thus raising CO2 levels, in order to build something that is suppose to reduce CO2. They are also doing this to build rocket sites.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  JASA

Wind turbines are big ‘do nothing and get paid’ earners for rich land owners, valuable natural carbon sinks like peat bogs aren’t.

Whatever makes people think that any of this is seriously about viable green energy supply and managing carbon levels naturally ?

Where I live they even try to build their epidemic of tick-tack houses on ancient peat bogs!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Here’s a little conundrum for you.

The maintenance birth rate of a community is 2.1 children per couple.

The UK is around 1.8, Italy is around 1.4.

Even with immigration, legal or otherwise, why is there a ‘housing crisis’.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

There isn’t.

There is a Developer Greed Crisis fed by the arrival in power of a totally unscrupulous and immoral fake Conservative Government, in the hands of the Building Lobby and associate industries and services, all of which profit from the free-for-all house building on Green Belt, currently underway across the whole country – whatever claims are made to the contrary.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Families fall apart and adult children get their own place. Previously multiple generations lived in one household, children only left home when they got married in many cases. Modern houses are too small for comfortable multi generation living. All those young men who fathered children but never married likely end up living alone, all those single parents scraping by are unlikely to end up in a house large enough to share with adult children.

If the population once required 20 million houses, you could increase that by a huge factor if half the marriages end in divorce.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

“Modern houses are too small” yes cram them in to make more money rather than meet real needs of modern life!

As for outdoor space and practical outhouses -forget it!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

So all the tales of houses being unaffordable for first time buyers are fake then?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

You means it was actually possible!

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

To control CFC emissions? Yes.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

No one ever “controlled” CFC emissions. We reduced human emissions of them!

Fkn moron.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Imagine if we could reduce your emissions of stupidity. It might not save the world, but it would certainly make it more fun while it lasted.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingal

Yet another victory scored for RHS, Fingers reduced to gibberish again.

Back of the Net!

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

They knitted it back together because too much Co2 was escaping through the hole.

Star
Star
4 years ago

When the scribbler functionary academic whores “fact check” you like that, Chris, it only makes it even clearer that you’re right.

Just don’t let them suck you in. That’s a trap.

Exeter University has a Centre for the Study of Esotericism that is believed to be under the influence of the Rudolf Steiner cult and to be highly thought of by the loony crown prince.

Its vice chancellor Li$a Robert$ used to work for Leeds University, where she “led a major step change in how the University worked with business, from start-ups to large corporates; launching a new innovation hub and leading a city-wide team of senior city stakeholders”. Oh for independent thought, eh?

As for “Climate Change Professor” James Screen, he was spotted at a recent conference:

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

“How universities work with business” is the fundamental important point. They should not be working with business. University research should be independent.

The end point after a couple of decades is of course that there will be no new knowledge that is actually true, and shortly after that it will be found that anything based on fabrication doesn’t work or delivers unexpected outcomes. End result – chaos.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Subsidising (patent) title owners is one of the core pillars of the establishment welfare state.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago

Chris Morrison has an interesting technique of showing a chart which illustrates X and implying it shows not-X. He does it regularly with the global temperature records and now he is doing with the sea ice extent.

The charts in his figure clearly show a long term downward trend in sea ice extent – particularly in September. Like all trends with a stochastic element there are exceptions. September 2012 was lower than the trend, 2021 was higher than the trend. Comparing the two and drawing any implications about overall trend is blatant cherry-picking, likewise pointing out that 2021 is close to the 91-20 average or higher than 2020. It is just one year!

This chart which I showed in response to his first article gives a clearer idea of the trend.

However, most of his article and the headline was devoted to evidence the current variations are small in the historical context. As the Reuters article points out this evidence comprises a couple of anecdotal stories and the research from some Canadian scientists on a very limited area (the Scotian Shelf and in the Gulf of St. Lawrence). As Dan Jones points out in the Reuter article, there is no… Read more »

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

As I understand it, world climate has varied hugely over say 100,000 years, without human intervention (see analysis of Greenland ice cores). However, humans are rightly worried about shifts of only a degree or so.

We’re a fragile race, especially with 8 bn of us on the planet. I agree with some of the elite that 8 bn is a disaster, but now we have that many we have to feed them; other suggestions are disgusting. Japan has been depopulating (but ‘peacefully’) since 2010.

The BBC and Reuters are leading members of the ‘Trusted News Initiative’ (aka Ministry of Truth). Once they return to allowing free discourse, I might take them seriously again.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

“The BBC and Reuters are leading members of the ‘Trusted News Initiative’ (aka Ministry of Truth). Once they return to allowing free discourse, I might take them seriously again.”

There is no going back to the MSM as far as I am concerned – far too corrupt and way beyond redemption.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

This chart which I showed in response to his first article gives a clearer idea of the trend.

No attribution.

You made that up on your own, didn’t you……..

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Sorry I forgot to include the attribution – it was in my original response – it is  here (you have to scroll down a bit).

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Which still makes absolutely no difference to the effect of melting sea ice to mankind.

“Gee, the ice in my G&T melted and overflowed onto my trousers”

No mate, you pissed yourself and that’s why everyone at the party is laughing at the drunk in the corner blaming the physical impossible.

FFS, grow up man. You people exist in the nanometre universe when the world operates on the metre scale.

You make shit up about impossibly tiny variables that will kill us all in the next 5 years, and for the last 40 years none of them have.

How much more bilge will you continue to produce before you recognise the futility of your impossible claims?

dave b
dave b
4 years ago

Polyak et al. (2010) looked at Arctic sea ice changes throughout geologic history and noted that the current rate of loss appears to be more rapid than natural variability can account for in the historical record.

“The current reduction in Arctic ice cover started in the late 19th century, consistent with the rapidly warming climate, and became very pronounced over the last three decades. This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities.”

https://skepticalscience.com/past-Arctic-sea-ice-extent.htm

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  dave b

Skepticalscience.

The amateur website founded by a professional cartoonist, who couldn’t find a job after qualifying with a Physics degree, dressed up as something sciency.

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Herr Cook…….

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The quote is from Polyak et al – it is just reproduced on Skeptical Science.(John Cook has nothing to do with it – the Skeptical Science article was written by Dana Nuccitelli).
If you are going to pursue the route of argumentum ad hominem you might at least get the right hominem!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Dana Nuccitelli is as big a fantasist liar as you could get.

John Cook has everything to do with it as he set the site up and managed it for long enough.

One favoured tactic of ‘moderators’ is to delete post’s that contradict the childish narrative of AGW.

It’s the most pathetic attempt to distort science and was one of the principle reasons I wound up a sceptic. One of the others was, of course, desmogblog. A hit site run by a convicted fraudster and PR ‘expert’. What anyone managing that site knows about science could be written on the back of a stamp.

Alex B
Alex B
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

😀 Nice one; a blast from the past! I haven’t seen that in a while.
The images were from a viewable image subdirectory of the Skeptical Science website
I think Cook is into psychology now, I know he’s mates with Stefan I am a cognitive scientist with an interest in computational modelling Lewandowsky.
Both of them were lauded by one Neil Ferguson on these very pages when it was Lockdown Sceptics.
Explains a lot.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Alex B

I have all the images on my HD.

I know Cook the fraud abandoned Skepticalscience recently but had no idea he had turned his narcissistic ambitions to psychology.

I think I also missed the Lockdown Sceptics report of Ferguson dribbling over him and Lewandowsky.

I do have to thank Cook though for my conversion. I was a fully paid up climate alarmist and went to Skepticalscience to clarify in my own mind what was happening.

When I asked questions, not even difficult ones as I was a complete novice at the time, I was basically threatened with my life. It was horrifying.

I went to WUWT expecting the same, but was met with folks who tolerated my really dumb questions and, after about 10 years, I had an article accepted and published by them.

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago

Who fact checks the fact checkers??

I do hope Reuters does the right thing and publishes an apology for misleading people and for being duped.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  chris-ds

Quis Custodiet?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

…ipsos custodes?

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