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More and More Experts Say Lockdowns Didn’t Save Lives and Call it a “Monumental Mistake on a Massive Scale”

by Toby Young
27 March 2022 12:37 PM

In the third part of its ongoing investigation into the U.K. Government’s management of the coronavirus crisis, the Mail on Sunday looks at whether lockdowns actually saved lives. Its conclusion won’t surprise anyone’s who’s been visiting this website for the past two years. Here is an extract:

For the past few weeks, in a series of reports probing the science that has underpinned key pandemic decisions, the Mail on Sunday has investigated the accuracy of PCR tests and the chaotic way Covid-related deaths were recorded.

Today, in the final part, we talk to the growing number of experts who say that lockdowns had little benefit – a cure that was worse than the disease.

One of them is Professor Mark Woolhouse, an epidemiologist at the University of Edinburgh, who has recently published a book, The Year The World Went Mad, about the UK’s pandemic policy failures.

Speaking this week on the Mail on Sunday’s Medical Minefield podcast, Prof Woolhouse said: “I think that lockdown will be viewed by history as a monumental mistake on a global scale, for a number of reasons.

“The obvious one is the immense harm the lockdown, more than any other measure, did in terms of the economy, mental health and on the wellbeing of society.

“Clearly things needed to be done to bring waves of infection under control.

“But many analyses suggest that lockdown itself didn’t have a huge impact on reducing the health burden. That was achieved in other ways.”

Analysing the effect of any single Covid measure is difficult, and researchers have managed it with varying degrees of success.

In the UK, ‘lockdown’ refers specifically to the stay-at-home order. But some studies also include school and border closures, business closures and curfews in their definition of lockdown. …

One paper that did attempt to tease out the benefits of individual measures, published last month, found stay-at-home orders reduced global Covid deaths by just 2.9%.

You can listen to the Mail on Sunday‘s Medical Minefield podcast on Spotify here.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Be careful about sharing this article on Twitter. Professor Carl Heneghan shared the Mail on Sunday‘s article about an Oxford University study that showed Britain’s coronavirus death toll may be lower than the official data suggests on Twitter and the social media platform responded by slapping a ‘fake news’ warning on the post and then locking Prof Heneghan’s account. The Mail on Sunday has more:

Last weekend’s article – by Deputy Health Editor Eve Simmons – reported the findings of a new analysis suggesting Britain’s 164,000 Covid-19 death toll may have been overestimated.

Researchers reached the conclusions after combing through 800 responses to Freedom of Information requests to care homes and hospitals to find flaws in the way fatalities were recorded.

The row comes as tech giants may find themselves being handed sweeping powers in the new Online Safety Bill, which campaigners fear may have the effect of curbing freedom of speech by allowing social-media networks to remove legitimate material because they disagree with it.

Twitter sent an email to Professor Heneghan, an award-winning epidemiologist, saying his account – which has 110,000 followers – had been “locked” because it was “violating the policy on spreading misleading and potentially harmful information related to COVID-19”.

It added: “We require the removal of content that may pose a risk to people’s health, including content that goes directly against guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information. Please note that repeated violations may lead to a permanent suspension of your account.”

Further down in the same article, I’m quoted, pointing out that his kind of censorship is bound to get worse after the Online Safety Bill is passed.

Toby Young, director of the Free Speech Union, said: “Twitter once stood for free speech but those days are long gone. It is now an enforcer of a progressive orthodoxy, whether about transwomen in sport or the pandemic.

“Anyone who challenges that orthodoxy is punished, even if they know more about the subject than Twitter’s ‘fact-checkers’, which Professor Heneghan plainly does.

‘The suppression of dissenting voices will only get worse once the Online Safety Bill becomes law. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube will treat it as a green light to increase their censorship of anyone who doesn’t fall in with the woke agenda.”

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Mail on SundayMark Woolhouse

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Dale
Dale
3 years ago

Governments deftly transitioned from Covid in the air to Reds under beds.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Dale

Same overall plan – next: food. heating, mobility under attack!

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Dale

Reds in Downing Street.

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

The Consocialist Party.

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Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
3 years ago

I didnt do social media but i have been using gettr recently. Yeadon, Malone, Le Tissier and a plethora of sceptics are on there posting freely. Some good info being shared from the other side of the pond. There seems to be more movement against the narrative from a legal perspective over there. Hopefully it can start breaking through. Unless there is accountability they will rinse and repeat at the next opportunity.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

The MSM Lie Machine needs disabling

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olaffreya
olaffreya
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Agree and more. Ignored it for years. Think the Omen films and think MSM.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

Their legal system does seem to be somewhat less corrupt than ours in the UK.

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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I was impressed that unlike our mollycoddled establishment, in the US Fauci was ripped apart on a regular basis by the likes of Rand Paul.

Being the monstrous career criminal that he is, Fauci was able to withstand the pressure to a large extent, but can you imagine our pathetic “leaders” and “experts” under that kind of attack?

I recall Hancock being asked little more that a perfectly reasonable question in the Commons – but nonetheless a taboo question as far as the unfree press were concerned – and he virtually fell to pieces.

Whitty would have almost certainly crumbled, especially as he was lying through his teeth every time he presented data but was never challenged.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

US Fauci was ripped apart on a regular basis by the likes of Rand Paul.

Nonsense, he didn’t ask the right questions, he knew the right questions becasue he’d been given the evidence from people like Charles Rixey, but he chose not to ask them.

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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

You’ve missed the point entirely.

You may well be right that Paul could have gone a lot further, but I was comparing the nature of questioning to what happened in the UK.

This was, I think, made clear in the first sentence.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

And don’t forget Savage Javid getting very aggressive with a reporter when asked about transmission.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Do some of their judges get elected by the people?

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

As Neil Oliver put it last night in his monologue; “They think they can get away with it because they think they have us where they want us”

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

The result of the media acrose the pond being more diverse is reflected in the lower jab take-up. In terms of followiing the narrative, the UK leads the pack flock.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

USA 23.4% vax free, UK 21.4% vax free doesn’t strike me as convincing evidence that the USA has benefitted from a more diverse media.

And as neither country has the faintest idea how many people live there the figures are, at best, guesses even if the people compiling them aren’t bent.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Look at how many have gone for a third jab.
You can see more polarisation in the UK. In the USA, there is a greater spread on 1st, 2nd, 3rd jabs as people wake up.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

Let’s just face it. This country and others have incompetent criminals in charge. Corruption is rife and it is time to start again, and without the Gates’ and Schwab’s of this world.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

It is time to abolish it. We did just fine when much of our “government” was the local parish council.

I care about potholes in the roads, crap local schools and those metal railing fences some sadist erects everywhere. Happy to contribute to all of that and do my bit. I’m even open to paying a little more for some things, heated roads for winter or good facilities for local youths. But paying for arms to send to the Eastern Borderlands, not so much.

🙂

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rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Motorways and A Roads? Air Traffic Control? Inter-city rail networks?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  rtj1211

What about them? I’m sure regional and national initiatives can be handled. The main focus should be more local. Most of what we care about is local.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rtj1211

A call for less centralised government isn’t exactly rebutted by giving examples of a few things that centralised government could still do.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The real issue is tax. A bottom-up system, where you pay the entity closest to you, solves most of this.

You pay a local authority in the place you live. For the things your local group cannot do, like a large section of motorway running through the whole region, they pay a regional government. The regional government pays up the chain for truly national things, like national defence.

The key is you pay local. They are close by. You may even personally know them. It wouldn’t be perfect, but nor is our current system.

When a central government doesn’t have billions it can’t invoke national lockdowns because it doesn’t have furlough cash, to use one example. Naturally a central government cannot be allowed to borrow money.

Power is stopped with practical factors, not mass enlightenment or grand utopias. Starve them and they are automatically reduced in size to only the truly national things we want.

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Jo_2
Jo_2
3 years ago

Instead of telling people to be careful when posting to Twitter why not encourage people to post to Twitter – if they start having to ban a significant proportion of their users they might think again.

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo_2

I very much doubt it.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

I cannot understand people continuing to use Twatter and Farcebook,I admit I did try Twatter before dumping it , but can not see the point of the latter

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago

Should we welcome them to the party or tar and feather them?

Its conclusion won’t surprise anyone’s who’s been visiting this website for the past two years.

Or rather, its conclusion isn’t surprising to anyone with an ounce of ability to think critically and do very basic research and arithmetic.

When they started sending daily All Cause Mortality stats to everyone’s little smart friend in their pockets for the first time in human history, I asked one simple question: are these numbers indicative of anything out of the ordinary for this time of year?

The simple answer, after thirty seconds of research to find annual deaths per 100,000 in the UK followed by a simple sum to reduce that to a daily average was, simply, NO. MOST DEFINITELY NOT.

But apparently, this was beyond the abilities of our glorious leaders and their chosen experts.

What a sorry state we have become…

To my colleagues I instantly became a Conspiracy Theorist. Then I became scared and worried in equal measure – something, very clearly, was rotten in the state of Denmark…

I tried to tell everyone: “If what I, as a healthy individual, must do to stay alive – breathe – is supposed to be such a deadly threat to others, then I must stop breathing. Correct?!”

The premise was false, therefore everything which was to follow it was going to be absurd.

It has never been so easy to be right, and yet have so few people see it.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

If it had required exceptional research and analytical skills to work out that the official narrative was absurd, I would be more inclined to forgive. But it did not.

I moved from believing that “our glorious leaders and their chosen experts” were panic-stricken and simply foolish (in March 2020), to the disturbing conclusion that they were worse than that. They are liars and sycophants.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Agreed. We’re fooked until enough decide we aren’t anymore.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

It has never been so easy to be right, and yet have so few people see it.

To paraphrase Peter Hitchens, we’ve entered a period where having knowledge and understanding of an issue puts one at a positive disadvantage.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Exactly. I was looking at all-cause mortality in March 2020 and the predicted IFRs by Prof John Ioannidis. Nothing made sense. Lockdowns made no sense and the public were being terrorised. After months of plotting charts and researching, and finding nobody around of the same mind, I came across identical charts in lockdownsceptics and joined the forum.

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JamesM
JamesM
3 years ago

It is simply not enough for these public health officials to be proved wrong. They must be held to account for all the damage that they have done. Dig deeper and I think you will find some of them were politically motivated to wreck the economy

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Hopeless - "TN,BN"
Hopeless - "TN,BN"
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

There’s absolutely no doubt that many, if not the majority of the people in the medical and other establishments, responsible for the rotten “advice” and the consequent colossal damage to every aspect of life in the UK, together with its ruined economy, had motives other than mere professionalism, philanthropy and a desire “to do good”.

If one proceeds beyond the understanding that many, however qualified, aren’t bright, brave, intelligent or perceptive, and are mere stupid followers, then the “Cui Bono” concept kicks in. The usual drivers in these cases are personal advancement and pecuniary advantage, together with some factors better dealt with by qualified psychologists, such as overweening egos and other mental problems. Build in, as you suggest, a political or tribal motivation, and it becomes a complete package.

They should be held to account, but they won’t be. As the fake “Inquiry”, itself likely to be a source of omissions, misinformation and downright lies, proceeds, it will be plain that to take serious action in one respect or another will likely jeopardise another, better-placed malefactor, and the under-the-carpet sweeping will be intense. There may be a few token sacrificial persons, but, in general, I expect there to be more back-slapping than even light wrist-slapping. That’s not to forget that there will be another manufactured crisis, designed to grab the headlines and divert attention.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless - "TN,BN"

The inquiry will find that lockdown should have come in sooner, harder and for longer and that faster vaccines and endless tracking and tracing are needed.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless - "TN,BN"

“qualified psychologists”

Haven’t we had a belly full of them?

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7941MHKB
7941MHKB
3 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

Correct. And those Chat Fekkers not politically motivated very probably own shareholdings in Big Pharma (or the Ruinable Energy team), or else receive fat brown envelopes regularly.

If our Beloved Leaders must mess with existing law, the only requirement would be to make it mandatory to publish names, full addresses, photographs and qualifications of every MSM or Social Media Chat Fekker, whether employed or voluntary.

Doubt that will happen.

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Francis64
Francis64
3 years ago

Stop Press: Be careful about sharing this article on Twitter. Professor Carl Heneghan shared the Mail on Sunday‘s article about an Oxford University study that showed Britain’s coronavirus death toll may be lower than the official data suggests on Twitter and the social media platform responded by slapping a ‘fake news’ warning on the post and then locking Prof Heneghan’s account.



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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Francis64

People really do need to get off Twitter and Facebook or they are merely aiding the enemy!

Will the penny ever drop?

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Will the penny ever drop?

No

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

The pound will drop, but not the penny.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Francis64

Funny but true.

Censorship is almost always for eliminating inconvenient truth.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

There was never any science behind lockdowns
It was all theatre and lies from the start

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

But, we must protect ourselves 🧐

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago

The lens with which you use to understand events often matters. Lockdowns were not a failure, but an unrivalled success if the lens was to test levels of compliance to government dictats.

Most complied, very few did not, and a minority loved them. That is useful data. It will almost certainly form the main plank of future initiatives from the Behavioural Insights Team who, along with the civil service, are salivating at the prospects for future variants on lockdown. Health scares certainly, but also climate seem to be on the cards.

Our job is to so thoroughly trash this it can never be considered.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Milton Friedman put it something like this, that he did not see his role as to change people’s minds, rather to make sure his ideas were left “lying around” to be picked up when other ideas failed.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Great quote 😉

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

That is my approach. I have a couple of small fliers with simple headlines on the front and data and references on the back. These are left ‘lying around’ on walls, in niches, under bushes, in magazines etc.
They say that people go mad in crowds and regain sanity one-by-one. Curious individuals will see these and pick them up.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Exactly!

Well said!

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

This is a discussion that will never have real answers – “did lockdowns save lives?” – well, the supermarkets (and garden centres, and B&Q!) remained open during a ‘pandemic’ and there were always customers in these shops. I think that’s all I need to know about the pandemic being 100% fake.

People were predicting the Government(s) would summon another ‘variant’ up just before last Christmas, and that’s exactly what they did – just like to order. To me, that also shows the whole ‘Covid Show’ is one big lie, and, to boot, those running it are having a laugh – they know they can do anything they like, and they will always get away with it – and so they have. A never-ending succession of ‘variants’ to look forwards to.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

Funny how, apart from a very few brave souls, we heard nadda from these people up until now. The phrases ‘changing their tune to suit the wind direction’ and ‘covering their backside’ springs to mind.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Yes but the wind is still in the same direction …Agenda 2030 “You will own nothing and be happy”

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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Expect the same in a year or two regarding the mass vaccination program.

Like lockdowns it’s logically preposterous, but still an active part of the not-so-hidden agenda hence the lack of counterviews in the unfree media.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Too many things happening in Ukraine to worry about transparency back home. The government and the media are enjoying a free pass and moralising to the rest of us. You can’t get more warm and virtuous than Nicky Campbell.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Yes and no – it was amazing ‘luck’ that the Ukraine war just started as the ‘COVID’ narrative was seriously on the wane and the reality of the ‘pandemic’ response was on the up, especially as the ‘Climate Narrative’ wasn’t gaining any traction.

Now, of course, they’ll be food shortages, high inflation (including fuel) and what’s the solution – a Green drive, just as the puppet masters at the WEF wanted ‘predicted’.

Ain’t coincidences great? Not.

This is, in my view, the elite’s version of ‘hey look, a snowman!’ (made you look!). Distract people from what they are trying to hide and get away with by something big over there.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Many ‘experts’ are now rapidly backpeddling on what they previously have been saying in order to save their own careers / skins.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Why do people still keep calling Lockdowns a “mistake” when they were
obviously such an important part of the plan from the very start?

Will people never wake up?

It is only a “mistake” of the consequences of the actions were unintentional when it is now blatantly obvious they were not.

(Ukraine distraction from their next phase working well).

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

It’s Sunday, so here’s a Christian perspective.
This video, which explains specifically how to be a watchman over MSM bias, deals with how the MSM, Big Tech and large corporations suppress the facts.
YouTube took it down for breaching their rules, so now its up on Rumble https://rumble.com/vybi3r-omega-programme-mod-3.1-part-22-the-role-of-the-watchman.html0

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Lockdown wasn’t a mistake, lockdown was necessary in order to justify the looting of the taxpayern without any of the normal oversight and to push the jabs which they intend to be perpetual jabs along with vax passports.

So yes lockdown was terribly damaging but it was not a mistake, if was perfectly deliberate.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Modern day Robber Barons.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

God, how smug do I feel. 4th booster bedwetters?

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I’ll admit to smugness. And a mixture of empowerment and fear now I know that 9/10 people are dangerous aliens.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

More like 3/10, with about 4/10 compliant with today’s narrative. 3/10 not buying it.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Clare Fox thinks we’re all paranoid conspiracy theorists regarding the WEF, speaking on GB News last night.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Sounds like the thing a WEF young leader might say 😉

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

But But But! She is one of then

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

‘The row comes as tech giants may find themselves being handed sweeping powers in the new Online Safety Bill’

You can just imagine our glorious leaders banning informtion exposing their corruption and incompetence as such information would ‘harm’ our magnificent democracy.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Every attempt to further restrict information just hastens their demise. This site didn’t exist a few years ago, and there are many others.

They are panicking. Which is great 😉

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

There’s the possibility that this site may be wound up with the ‘Restricted To What You May Say’ Bill coming into force.
We are already limited as to what we can type on-line, and in future, anything you write that is deemed ‘unseemly’ may have Plod knocking on your door and for you to be ‘disappeared’. Or, if you’re lucky, just charged and threatened.
These may be the last days of ‘freedom’.

Oh yes, they’ll let you travel to London now & then to wave your placard in Parliament Square and allow you to let off steam. They have already filmed you and taken photos, they know who you are, they read your text messages, know who you’ve phoned to, and can see the location of your phone. They know you are no danger.

“We know what you did during lockdown”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WTpO9y2Dh4

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Then others will pop up. That approach only works when it can be conveyed as clamping down on extremism. It is more difficult when it is fairly beign stuff.

I too am concerned. But these attempts to define hate speech and the like are a sign of fear and desperation. It is ultimately them who will disappear.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Another Independent article on Russel Brand, he must be striking a nerve. Or striking things they’re too scared to cover for any number of reasons.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Yes, must be off the reservation. Bad celebrity.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

People should stop using Fakebook and Twatter and seek alternative Internet providers They are out there!

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Chris_uk
Chris_uk
3 years ago

There is a war on truth, and the bad guys are going to win. It’s hard to fathom the world of lies and corruption we are living in. Before Covid I was vaguely aware that the medical industry might not be acting in our best interests. It’s now crystal clear that their sole interest is making us sick and keeping us sick in order to harvest as much profit as possible. It’s also clear that virtually all of government and the legacy media are equally corrupt, or just too stupid to understand the problem. There are probably a few decent doctors around but their hands are tied. They have to follow protocols that are controlled by the corrupt cartel. I very much doubt there will be any resolution in this iteration of civilisation. Health-wise, we are on our own. It’s an awful truth to confront but perhaps better to know than not. All we can do now is try to stay healthy despite the system doing everything in its power to make us sick.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

An ounce or prevention is worth a pound of cure. That’s been my takeaway from covidmania. Like you I had my suspicions. But now the craven cowardice of doctors, as well as the endorsement of indefensible positions like injecting kids, has tipped me over the edge.

I’ve been religious in taking appropriate supplements plus I appreciate more than ever the benefits of remaining fit and healthy. I’d also throw in a complete rejection of the government approved diet which will slowly kill you.

😉

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago

Remind me why all these proud to be quoted, now outraged at censorship, STILL want to use Twitter?

Nothing short of a mass exodus will work, stop being outraged and DO SOMETTHING about it. There are alternative, free speech focused, platforms.

Y’all are like domestic abuse victims staying with the abusers.

The HYPOCRACY is palpable.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

It’s better to be slung out from the platforms rather than just packing up. I don’t bother with Twitter, I already got suspended accounts on there consigned to Hotel California.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

Twatter kicked me out in late 2020. I haven’t bothered to go back with a new profile (I refused to cave in to their demands). Facebonk, meh, left that toxic place in 2015.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

These experts speak as if there were no other “experts” who were saying, before lockdown began, purely through foresight, not with hindsight, that lockdown was going to be a terrible mistake.

Of course that is not true – there were many in the scientific community saying this at the time, the Great Barrington people being primary examples.

So the central issues which need to be addressed in whatever inquiries take place are these:

  • why were dissenting voices silenced at the beginning of the “pandemic”
  • who did the silencing
  • why did they do it
  • are they in a position to do it again in the same circumstances in future?
  • and, if so, what is being done to ensure the people responsible are brought to justice, and what is being done in to ensure it can never happen again?
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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

And also the other elephant in the room – why did the likes of Whitty U-turn from his initial recommendations that were not too dissimilar to the Great Barrington?

He would struggle to even lie about a justification given that they downgraded the seriousness of the virus to flu level a week before the first lockdown.

Last edited 3 years ago by Draper233
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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Someone had a quiet word. Cushy directorship further down the line and a knighthood to seal the deal 😉

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

I think it’s more likely to have been them revealing they had video of him.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

These experts speak as if there were no other “experts” who were saying, before lockdown began, purely through foresight, not with hindsight, that lockdown was going to be a terrible mistake.

A very good point. Professor John Ioannidis of Stanford, a scholar of outstanding reputation in the fields of epidemiology and evidence-based research, warned against lockdowns on 17 March 2020. His article was called “A Fiasco in the Making?”

He raised issues and questions that were brushed aside or ignored.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

To the great British public: “We don’t want to say that we told you so,but!!!!!”

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

WE
TOLD
YOU
SO

signed: ‘conspiracy theorists’

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dearieme
dearieme
3 years ago

“the growing number of experts who say that lockdowns had little benefit “

If it’s only now they speak up they are either not experts or deep-dyed cowards. Or both, of course.

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago

Chuffing ‘eck, DS, are you on commission for Woollyhouse’s book sales?

This is the third article that I can recall promoting the’ turncoat’s’ attempt to profit from the collective failings of SAGE.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago

Having read the article it is not really as challenging as the headline suggests (nothing new there as far as The Mail is concerned) and there still seems to be the implication that the first lockdown in particular was necessary and successful. It is not quite the backtrack the headline implies.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago

As far as I can see, the lockdown slowed the spread of the virus somewhat.

This was intended to give some time for the vaccine to be developed and distributed. IF the vaccine had worked as planned, THEN the lockdown would have only been needed for a while, and would have been a success.

The problem was that the vaccine DID NOT WORK. And so we kept locking down, and slowly released once we saw that it was pointless, while the vaccine supporters kept arguing for ‘just one more booster’….

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

As far as you imagine, you mean.

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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

If that’s the conclusion you’ve reached after two years, I’d suggest going back to the drawing board.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Do both of you think that the vaccines DID work?

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

I rather suspect their point was that lockdowns didn’t work (and wouldn’t have worked even if the clotshot hadn’t been useless).

Look at all the stats from around the world and it’s absolutely clear that that lockdowns, muzzles and all the other NPIs do not correlate with a slower spread or lower infection rates.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

And let’s not forget that they straight out lied about three weeks to flatten the ‘curve’.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

That was as clear as day. The minute Johnson triggered the original lockdown my family knew immediately we’d be in for years of turmoil and chaos and so it has proved. Johnson knew perfectly well right from the off that the two or three weeks to flatten the sombrero was a load of old crock.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrior

Hi DAEW

completely off topic I know but last week you were asking about why the sudden change in the mask wearing.

As I understand it WHO were looking at the lowest rates for ‘rona in Southern Asia and noted that mask wearing there was commonplace. Therefore they assumed(wrongly) it was due to the mask wearing.

BUT

When people meet in this area it is a very demure hello and Thailand in particular you bow your head when you greet some one. No touchy feely kissy kiss here.

The air pollution in this part of the world is pretty horrendous – from burning field to clear the remainder of the crops, extremely poor mechanical maintainence of cars lorries busses motorbikes and the burning of the forests in Malaysia for the palm oil plantations. N95 masks are the best choice for these conditions.

I hope this sheds some light for you. Sadly I do not have the references for this but I did read it somewhere.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

ALL NPI’s were intended to undermine public health.

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

It was already slowing…

Sorry

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

What the F. are you smoking?

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adamcollyer
adamcollyer
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

That is not quite correct. The lockdown was intended to slow the spread to avoid the health service being overwhelmed. (“Flatten the curve” as they put it.)

At the time of the first lockdown, it was thought that vaccines might be years away if ever.

In other words, the lockdown was “necessary” because “our NHS” (sic) had no capacity to handle a sudden increase in demand.

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rtj1211
rtj1211
3 years ago

The response to Twitter is more and more people shutting down their accounts.

Twitter’s not your wife you know, it’s where you have some bantz with horny unattached women.

IF the unattached women start pissing you off, you dump them and find some more congenial ones.

Closing down a Twitter account will take less than 1 hr of your time even if the process takes longer than a week start to finish.

Do the same to Facebook, stop watching the BBC, stop buying newspapers and watch their revenues drop towards the floor.

It’s called ‘customer feedback’.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  rtj1211

Couldn’t agree more 🙂 Throw out the TV too and you’ll deprive them of 95% of their mechanism for propaganda.

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago
Reply to  rtj1211

Shut down my Facebook account before COVID. Not had a TV for years. Never done Twitter.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

I never had a TV in my life (apart from a few student houseshares in London back in the day). Not having a TV or having got rid of it is a common characteristic amongst us sceptical folks, I find.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

I’m in the same boat. Drifted away from TV in my twenties and never made it back. My instinct for privacy meant social media was never an option.

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Nymeria
Nymeria
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

Likewise, never done twitter. Shut down my FB account years ago and ditched the tv licence.

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Hawkins_94
Hawkins_94
3 years ago

There needs to be far greater urgency in combating big tech censorship. It is bad enough these giants avoid tax and constantly lobby governments to grow their power base…shame on our elected representatives for facilitating them instead of opposing them.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Hawkins_94

Find alternatives. They can censor whomever they like. Fine a platform you like instead.

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

For the past few weeks, in a series of reports probing the science that has underpinned key pandemic decisions, the Mail on Sunday has investigated the accuracy of PCR tests and the chaotic way Covid-related deaths were recorded.

yes,

amazing how the minority said this for two yrs and was called a conspiracy theorist, does that now mean the daily mail should be banned for being a “conspiracy theorist”?

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago

Perfect track for the BBC and MSM:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAwsrkLWZE

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rockoman
rockoman
3 years ago

Spare a thought for the pressure Anders Tegnell must have been under in March and April of 2020.

How easy it would have been to yield, when everybody else was locking down.

In particular Swedish primary school kids have reason to be grateful for having had uninterrupted mask-free education.

Not only that. He provided a very good control.

He could be forgiven for feeling smug now-

Last edited 3 years ago by rockoman
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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago

I can’t really congratulate myself for resisting the propaganda because I haven’t seen or heard it: I haven’t had a TV licence since 2011, haven’t read a newspaper for around 5 years, never really listened to the radio and live in a village so haven’t seen any billboards or posters. I don’t have children of school or university age and haven’t been ill.

I have received lots of texts, emails and phone calls but I’ve never responded well to being nagged and as soon as I hear a Third World accent I know it’s a scam.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

More and More Experts Say Lockdowns Didn’t Save Lives and Call it a “Monumental Mistake on a Massive Scale”

It’s taken the cowardly barstewards two years to reach this conclusion.

Pathetic. Reverse ferret virtue signalling.

(No criticism of Professor Heneghan intended).

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
3 years ago

I suspect that the fact checkers themselves are not particularly bright. Mostly trainees. They are clearly incapable of distinguishing between legitimate evidence based scientific research and “conspiracy theories”. Safety from harmful content? They might as well subcontract the work to the Chinese. Censorship services are likely to be a lot cheaper.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Frost

“mostly trainees”

Trainee what?

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Woke warriors. I have an alternative term but I don’t think it is allowed by the community guidelines.

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martinbritnell83
martinbritnell83
3 years ago

Absolutely furious about this! We conspiracy theorists said this from the beginning and we were all vilified. These scumbags ruined many lives, destroyed businesses and caused poverty because of their decision to lockdown. Now they’re basically saying it was a mistake… oh well… suck it up. It didn’t bother us because hey… we are rich and got even richer.

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Gilly99
Gilly99
3 years ago

Need an anti-woke, populist revolution and fast….no more virtue signalling nonsense, no more cancelling debate, free speech re-established by law meaning the right to offend anyone including minorities with social media allowed to let rip as required. (Outlaw fact checking) Get to the truth and then chase down these Government criminals first by getting them out, then by prosecution of them and their cronies. I want my money back for their lockdown fiasco.

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

Carl Heneghan silenced: the ONS admitted their estimate of COVID deaths was at least 23% over the real figure! How “fact ” checkers are able to rule the roost sickens me. This really IS how nazi Germany started…

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adamcollyer
adamcollyer
3 years ago

Of course Prof Woolhouse is right about the ineffective nature of the lockdowns. But even he misses the point. This debate should not just be about whether lockdowns work or not.

Lockdowns would be a gross violation of basic democratic rights, even if they did work. It is simply not acceptable in a democracy to put millions of healthy people under house arrest in the name of public health.

They are a radical Communist measure, even if they were promoted by highly paid civil servants like “Sir” Chris Whitty.

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conocido en valenciana
conocido en valenciana
3 years ago

Professor Mark Woolhouse and other “experts”/experts are mistaken. Lockdowns weren’t “a mistake”: all part of the plan.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
3 years ago

I seldom use Facebook and am not on Twitter, and I’m sure my life is less stressful for it.

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Early Doubter
Early Doubter
3 years ago

Just re-posted this using the twitter and also facebook icons above

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

”A mistake”? Oh, for crying out loud………

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