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“There is a Very Strong Globalist Current in the World”: Lord Frost on Lockdowns, Net Zero, Threats to Free Speech and More

by Will Jones
11 February 2022 6:23 PM

We’re publishing today a transcript of former Minister Lord Frost’s appearance on the Irreverend podcast, where he talks lockdowns, masks, Net Zero, free speech, the Online Harms Bill and more. The podcast is hosted by Church of England vicars Daniel French, Thomas Pelham and Jamie Franklin. From the episode blurb:

Until recently David Frost has been at the heart of the U.K. Government and has been deeply involved in seminal moments in British history including the Brexit negotiations and the Covid crisis. A deeply principled man, he quit the Government over his opposition to further Covid restrictions and has subsequently said publicly that he believes that lockdowns are a serious policy error. In this special interview, he addresses in-depth the Covid crisis and the real reasons for the Government’s response to it, the use of behavioural psychology, the relationship of the Government to the U.K. media, Brexit, the green agenda, free speech and the Online Harms Bill. We also speak about the Church of England and its failure to take the opportunity to offer hope in the midst of fear.

Watch the podcast here, listen here, and of course, read the transcript here.

Tags: Boris JohnsonBrexitFree SpeechGlobalismLockdownsNet Zero

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Username1
Username1
3 years ago

Good interview. Lord Frost manages to use moderate language yet gets in some killer blows against the policy excesses of the last few years. Probably why he did well at the EU, it’s harder to argue against a conspicuously reasonable man.

Lord Frost for PM!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

No place for principled men in US sphere regimes these days.

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Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

Excuse my ignorance, but if Lord Frost isn’t an MP can he become PM?
Otherwise I completely agree with you, and think the next best alternative would be Steve Baker.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Dalby

“Excuse my ignorance, but if Lord Frost isn’t an MP can he become PM?”

Yes, though it would likely cause a controversy exploited by his opponents.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Dalby

Frost could be PM from the Lords with Baker as his second running Government in the H of C – it could be made to work.

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Dalby

Are you sure? In a recent TV clip, Steve Baker extolled the virtues of the vax.

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liz.thornborrow@blueyonder.co.uk
liz.thornborrow@blueyonder.co.uk
3 years ago
Reply to  CovidiotAntiMasker

Aren’t you mistaking Steve Barclay for Steve Baker?

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

I beg to differ.

I found the interview extremely disappointing.

Almost no questions about how or why the government have done what they have done. I feel I have learned nothing, no new insights.

E.g. Frost seems to put the blame for the government’s reaction to COVID on wanting to fit in with a globalist current and international pressure. That doesn’t explain the online bill and why COVID misinformation is on there. Where was the question to Frost?

Four blokes speaking rather pedantically all agreeing with each other just isn’t particularly interesting.

Missed opportunity, I think.

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Occams Pangolin Pie
Occams Pangolin Pie
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Frost keen to declare that he was busy with Brexit while first lockdown thumbscrews were being applied. By the time he looked up from his desk the draconian stuff had happened.
What about after May 2020?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Maybe. But at least Frost has the best interests of the country at heart – which makes him a man on his own in this bunch .

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

The real man for the job – therefore no chance.

We are now in the hands of Globalist gangsters and self-serving charlatans.

If only the Tory Party were only ‘Tory”, had integrity and was not rotten to the core!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“I think the problem with the pandemic was we didn’t have any organised opposition, so nothing was tested. The Government found it very easy to get through all kinds of controversial stuff and it was only the growing unease I guess around people like Steve Baker and others that eventually, it was impossible to stop the debate entirely, and again eventually in our system it came out.”

Not entirely untrue, I think, if over-generous to the panicker side, overlooking their hysteria, their infantile arguments, their manipulative dishonesty and their active suppression of dissent..

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

…he addresses in-depth the Covid crisis and the real reasons for the Government’s response to it, the use of behavioural psychology, the relationship of the Government to the U.K. media, Brexit, the green agenda, free speech and the Online Harms Bill.

We all know the real reason….

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

What an evil face this deranged old man has!

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

it should worry people enough to question why laws are either being proposed or changed with the gov’s view of almost abolishing freedoms that made many countries distinct from say china. I also don’t like the idea of a digital currency as this gives the state far too much power over citizens, just think, dictators from the past did not have this much technical power that future politicians will have, from the Internet censorship, virtual currency and facial recognition cameras etc.

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Aletheia of Oceania
Aletheia of Oceania
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

I am also fearful of the introduction of CBDCs.

However, the black market, specifically illegal drugs, relies almost exclusively on cash transactions.

So, I’m struggling to see how a cashless society could exist?

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

my guess is the state has one eye on the black market when introducing traceable central bank digital currency to make sure everything is monitored and traceable. the black market could still exist if there is still for example decentralised bitcoin available, this is if the state does not find a fancy way of shutting those down. I hope it does not get to that stage as a cbdc would give the state way more power than it should have.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

All economies need a black market – the greater the control of human behaviour the greater the need for a black market

But then the Schwab’s ‘brain implants’ are supposed to be ‘correcting’ human behaviour to suit his devilish purpose, aren’t they?

Why is this man not under arrest, in straight jacket in a secure Instition…. but Julian Assange is?

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

Not online. All crypto online. So I am told…

And a cashless society will kill all those who don’t or can’t have bank accounts. No more coins chucked in a homeless person’s hat on the ground…

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

NHSS jab for a cup of Social “Care” Tea?

Homelessness solved by natural wastage in a year!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

How? Chaos, fraud, theft, misery, constant tech breakdown, error, scarcity, corruption, scams, destabilisation – you name it Then there will be the suicides.

There was a reason ‘cash ‘was invented all those thousands of years ago

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
3 years ago
Reply to  Aletheia of Oceania

The black market potentially gives states a ready source of untraceable money to fund activities they wouldn’t wish to advertised or have audited…..how would they compensate for that lost income stream? Lets face it, over 50 years of the war on drugs and no closer to victory. Just like the war on cancer.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Facial recognition… yeah.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“Nobody really knew how fast it was spreading and so I don’t find it that surprising that in that moment if one erred on the side of caution.”

This is basically a rationalisation of irresponsible cowardice, and it will be the position eventually settled on by all the Guilty Men and their collaborators. “It was reasonable to panic at the time, and mistakes were made in not rolling back sooner”.

But in reality the true path of caution tempered by reason in March 2020 was avoiding panic, and holding to the established response. The data went nowhere near to justifying the panic action in March 2020, and those in government had no excuse, unlike ordinary folk, for not recognising that. Nobody in government should be falling for modelling tripe without saying “hang on, why should we take this speculation as plausible?”

And nobody in government, ever, should be allowing radical action to be taken without full cost/benefit analysis. That’s the sine qua non of responsible, rational governance.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Panic by government is simply cover for criminal intent.

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Username1
Username1
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

In his defence I think steering government can be a bit like turning a supertanker, and in March 2020 almost all the crew were running around like headless chickens. Don’t forget – if you worked in Public Health this was your Oscars moment. The big one. If you worked writing garbage computer models, same. Those people are going to be surrounding you all day everyday. It’s hard to see the guy in the back of the room with his hand up quietly saying “we probably should do nothing”.
Having said that, anything that happened after May 2020 should have been stopped by a special tribunal and everyone responsible taken out and shot*
*Only if the law was changed first.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

“In his defence I think steering government can be a bit like turning a supertanker, and in March 2020 almost all the crew were running around like headless chickens. ”

That works both ways, though. Remember that in early March 2020 the government was already following established pandemic plans and taking huge amounts of stick for it from lefties and from the liars and bedwetters (Hancock, Gove, Cummings, I’m looking at you rabble) in their own ranks.

They chose to turn the supertanker in the direction of the rocks.

Consider this piece of shameful bedwetting tripe written just as the regime had panicked and blinked in the face of the panickers’ nonsense:

A Health Crisis and Herd Immunity
Lessons from Britain’s disastrous coronavirus response.Posted March 19, 2020 |

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Especially a state that has grown so oppressively large, even more so under Johnson.

Once, voting Conservative meant a smaller state. Now the opposite. It’s the Consocialist Party now.

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

“Public Health”

Um, “Health Security”. An entirely different matter to “public health”.

Do keep up. 🙂

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Unutterably Pistoff
Unutterably Pistoff
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think you are *a little* too harsh.
The skill that politicians have, with hardly any exceptions, is to BS their way through interviews with journalists, to strike power-poses on telly, and to pick as their advisors (on matters about which they know nothing) from BS artists among (recognisably reptilian) people with several letters after their names. They want to be on the right side of history, at least until they next face election.
The issue they had 2 years ago is that the entire world went mental. It might have been Ebola, except caught on a bus. It might have been AIDS, spread by sneezing. I had other problems at the time (a son with severe brain damage in hospital), and didn’t give a fig. But it would have been only extraordinary politicians, or even Big Name Medics who could even contemplate the possibility that it might be … nothing, much, out of the ordinary.
So I’d give Frost points. He seems to have a rare combination of humility and determination *for a politician*. Not perfect, but, above the abysmal average.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Unutterably Pistoff

“I think you are *a little* too harsh.”

Fair enough. Personally I think you are way too forgiving, and not recognising just how profound an abdication of duty it was not to carry out any cost/benefit analysis whatsoever, and not to actively seek out and listen to dissenting expert opinion before embarking n radical panic measures.

“It might have been Ebola, except caught on a bus. It might have been AIDS, spread by sneezing.”

No, we already knew it was a relatively normal respiratory virus. We’d seen from events like the Diamond Princess and the numbers from China that that’s all it was, and people like Nobel Laureate Michael Levitt was pointing it out. It was just that nobody was willing to listen.

That’s why they changed the story from mass death and people falling dead in the street to “flattening the curve”.

There’s an awful lot of self-serving rewriting of history going on.

“So I’d give Frost points. He seems to have a rare combination of humility and determination *for a politician*. Not perfect, but, above the abysmal average.”

I agree with all that. I understand his failure and sympathise. But nevertheless he allowed himself to be swept up in a panic, failed to resign when he should have, and shares responsibility for what was done.

He just needs to be a little more honest in his analysis, imo. Because the defence he puts up for himself will shelter many far more culpable than him, and will prevent any proper lessons being learned.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Unutterably Pistoff

The issue they had 2 years ago is that the entire world went mental. It might have been Ebola, except caught on a bus. It might have been AIDS, spread by sneezing.

No, it might not, despite both of these stories were very popular with early COVID propagandists. Both AIDS and Ebola are recent examples of extremely deadly diseases and – in case of Ebola – also causing extremely unpleasant deaths. The symptoms clearly didn’t match Ebola. And the death rates certainly didn’t match AIDS. As the situation in Italy unfolded, it was perfectly clear that comparatively few people were getting infected and that the overwhelming majority of these didn’t even get seriously sick, let alone died. Public authorities freaked out and did a China-copycat installation. Which seemed to have exactly no effect with regard to improving anything. But that time, I frequently thought something like “Thank God, the British government has so far kept its senses”.

At latest after the mad scramble for ventilators ended up with them being shelved due to lack of need for them and the original Nightingales had remained unused, someone with at least half a brain should have had a “Hold-a-sec! It doesn’t seem that what we are doing makes much sense!” moment and cancelled the whole operation CovStorm in face of a more traditional and rational approach.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

And the other eastern copycat idea was the wearing of face nappies on crush-loaded public transport, e.g. in Tokyo.

When the construction of the “Nightingales” occurred, it seemed to me that it might have been a budgetary tactic by the MoD, soon before a proper Budget (which was suspended by the Chancellor soon after). Much of the work was done by them using methods used at times of war, like in Afghanistan and so on.

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Absolutely right, the truly cautious and appropriate response was to do nothing, when in doubt do nowt, also known as wise and masterly inactivity. But instead they savaged society and only promised to relent if we all took the poison.The question as always is why?

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“Yeah. And it felt worse because it was, in inverted commas, for a ‘good cause’. Normally totalitarianism is for bad things, and everybody knows they’re kind of bad.“

This is a rather remarkable naivety – totalitarianism is always for a “good cause”. The point is that those “good causes” tend to look different according to whether you look at them from inside or outside.

And other cultures and times often don’t share our view of what constitutes “good”.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

‘Good’ is just whatever what suits the crazed Globalist politicians manic agenda of money, power, control and vaccines.

We no longer have a core morality in the West.

How can we have any ‘morality’ when we are still force vaccinating children with a gene therapy experiment that serves no medical purpose for them and which is proved to cause myocarditis, strokes and blood clots – and very likely triggers cancer development?

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“We had already had minor key ways of using it, don’t put chocolates at tills in supermarkets kind of thing and so on. So, I think it was sort of quite already embedded in the way people thought about things, so some of it just happened naturally. “

This is precisely why those of us who recognise how the “thin end of the wedge” and the “slippery slope” work argued against such things from the start (like the seatbelt laws that so many here defend because “seatbelts work”, “just wear the damn seatbelt”, and “you’ll make us look stupid if you oppose seatbelts”.

But once you have laws to coerce people “for their own good” or “to reduce costs on the NHS”, those laws will immediately be referenced to defend further extensions. As indeed happened here – reference to seatbelts was one of the first resorts of those defending mask and “vaccine” mandates. “You wear a seatbelt, don’t you? You supported the seatbelt law? So just wear the damned mask/take the damned jab”.

Such practices need to be forbidden at the outset. That’s why the US First and Second Amendments are written in straightforwardly prohibitory language. Because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.

“Laura Dodsworth says in her book that she thinks the use of behavioural psychology is actually undermining of the entire democratic process because it affects people on a subconscious level. And therefore, it’s arguably unethical“

Dodsworth is absolutely correct in this. And it’s unethical even when it seems harmless, trivial and effective for the greater good.

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richardw53
richardw53
3 years ago

We need him as Prime Minister

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harrystillgood
harrystillgood
3 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

We need a leader as Prime Minister…

In the old days apparently, the One who they made leader, was always found at the front of every battle.

That is, an authentic leader, who will deliver the good for the people, will be the one who is willing to give *even* their life, for the people.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  harrystillgood

Well said.

That is, an authentic leader, who will deliver the good for the people, will be the one who is willing to give *even* their life, for the people.

Ahem! I fought in many a battle, I led from the front, and I was willing to give even my life for the people. Who of today’s generation can make the same claim…? I’ll wait…. Still waiting….

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

Someone I know was due for cardioversion treatment this past Wednesday, his heart rate has been low, erratic and he is physically exhausted all the time.
The day before his appointment, the hospital contacted him with bad news – positive PCR result on the test required for NHS treatment that we already pay for.
He’s now facing another 8 weeks before getting the treatment, and the worry is he won’t make it that long considering his symptoms (no covid symptoms by the way).
I told him to bite the bullet and go private, he could probably have the procedure done tomorrow and a few hundred quid is a lot better than being dead.

Another sickening example of how the NHS is killing people. I believe those waiting for treatment in the most life threatening situations are being given false positives on purpose, because their mortality is statistically higher for the 4-8 week period they can be classified as a covid death.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Someone sent me this today:

Folks,

Your NHS has been hijacked.

The new NHSX formed in 2019 is basically being run by The World Health Organisation and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

SURE, YOU CAN TRUST OUR POLITICIANS WITH THE NHS?????

It’s a digital version of the NHS and it’s all part of the Agenda and “The New World Order”

The full description of this new “Corporation” is:

THE NEW JOINT ORGANISATION FOR DIGITAL DATA AND TECHNOLOGY

Doctors and Nurses will be few and far between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1UFGZpHP_w&t=4s

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

already removed by youtube for violating community guidelines

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

Well, we can’t have the community thinking incorrectly, can we?
Check out Wikipedia – for many people about the same as holy writ (and much more widely consulted). Uncited judgements are standard. People are wrong because Wikipedia, of all creatures, says so.
Above all, the community must be guided – by removal of naughty ideas and condemnation of those with the nerve to have them.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Please spread this far and wide – the population is totally ignorant of what is being planned for them!

It will hear nothing from the BBC.

The people simply must find out about this! It will wake then up!

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

HMG downgraded Convid 19th March 2020 due to low mortality rates. There is no amount of bullshit that can change this fact. They used the terrorist made-up fraudulent IFR of 3.4 percent to make everyone petrified and to make them believe they were going to die then when the IFR was proven to be 0.1 percent the criminal pre-determined agenda carried on regardless. Lying and trying to scam people into believing their pathetic excuses to the contrary wont wash.

High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

Worlds number one epidemiologist confirms Convid is LOW MORTALITY like the COMMON FLU – April 2020:

BREAKING NEWS ! Prof Dr John Ioannidis Stanford University On Real Data On Coronavirus Pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvDL6kIDsA

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Good articles:

https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense/

https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-the-uk-scamdemic-part-2/

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JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

“HMG downgraded Convid 19th March 2020 due to low mortality rates.”

They did it as this meant they could duck the rules which state that “new” vaccines cannot be used if there are existing prophylactics. Ergo, they already knew back then (as did Fauci, admits as such in an email linked to the Project Veritas leaks – damn fool that I am I did not keep it) that Ivermectin and HCQ worked very well from early treatment onwards.

Which suggests they were already working with Pfeizer and co. to promote GloboJab.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“You can see that on masks. I’m always baffled by the attachment of the medical establishment to masks, but anyway, I think the reasonable thing to say about masks is that possibly there is a very marginal benefit. I don’t think that is outweighed by the downsides of having masks and that’s a perfectly reasonable thing to debate. So, I definitely come on one side of that debate. “

Then you’ve failed to properly consider the downsides.

It’s frankly impossible to sustain the position that “a very marginal benefit” (accepting it solely for the sake of argument) could possibly outweigh the huge downsides of mask mandates, in terms of spreading and sustaining fear, breaching basic liberties, and all the hams they inflict on people vulnerable to such harms.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“and all the hams they inflict on people vulnerable to such harms“

Damn! Inflicting hams – if only!

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ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think the transcript might be in error.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Why so? I’ve just gone back and listened to the interview in parallel with rereading the transcript at that point and, aside from a few details unimportant to the sense, it seems accurate.

It’s possible Frost mis-spoke, if he’s actually against masks, and gave the wrong impression.

Good discussion, by the way.

Do you know if Frost considered this, among the many hams [sic] inflicted by masking:

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ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

He’s definitely against masking, it’s not clear but there’s a double negative there.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

See my reply below. Any double negative implies support for masks, so it appears you are saying he mis-spoke. Which is fair enough.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

Chinese flu? That’s so yesterday….

Amid Ukraine Tension, US Deploys Nuclear-Ready B-52 Bombers to UK. “The West is trying to make a tragedy out of this,” said Russia’s foreign minister.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/11/amid-ukraine-tension-us-deploys-nuclear-ready-b-52-bombers-uk

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Yes its the West who have parked 130,000 of their troops on the border of another country because the don’t agree with their democratic choices!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

It’s the US sphere, that you rather quaintly term “the West”, and its military alliance, with a recent track record of waging wars of aggression and funding and inciting “colour revolutions” all over the place, who have been pushing themselves ever further east towards the Russian heartland for 30 years now, after promising not to.

Honest observers (which means not many of those you will hear loudly in US sphere politics and media) will admit that if the tables were turned the US would be threatening war against the power breaching its “Monroe Doctrine”.

Stop pushing NATO eastwards and threatening Russia, and the problems in the Ukraine will be resolved. Keep pushing and encouraging the worst elements in the Ukrainian regime not to compromise in the hope that it will result in their winning all their most extreme fantasies with US money and guns, and it will likely end very badly, most of all for ordinary Ukrainians.

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Last I heard Zelensky was not keen on Ukraine being used for a US proxy war.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  kate

There are plenty there who think it would win them what they want..

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Ukraine is a failing state and further aggression there will most probably lead to its collapse. Zelensky fears this.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Very interesting conversation, but disturbing in that they seem to think that everyone was taken in by the nudge unit when in fact they were not.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

Two downsides with what I read of the transcript.
Firstly he thought MPs were already ‘tired’ of the fight with the government. So having got some joy with covid they were probably too ‘tired’ to fight about net zero, on-line bill (despite misgivings) and Bill of Rights ( no mention at all). Poor dears!
Secondly on balance he was not against masks.
And this is the best we have! God help us.

Last edited 3 years ago by peyrole
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ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Have a listen, I think the transcript is mistaken and he was against the mandating of masks.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

He definitely says what is written in the transcript on this point:

https://youtu.be/nQ0U0t00NHQ?t=2786

“I think the reasonable thing to say about masks is that possibly there is a very marginal benefit. I don’t think that is outweighed by the downsides of having masks..”

On its face, that’s as peyrole suggests. If a benefit is not outweighed by the downsides, then that is in favour of the proposition.

As I noted above, it could be that he mis-spoke, and gave the wrong impression of his position. Did he mention masks elsewhere in the interview?

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
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ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It’s a double negative if you read it carefully

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

Ok, it’s clear then that you are reading it incorrectly and that he mis-spoke (if you are correct that he is against masks).

He began by asserting that there was an arguable case for benefits from masks.

He went on to set against that “downsides” that could outweigh them.

But he stated (mis-stated?) that he “didn’t think” that those downsides do outweigh the aforementioned benefits.

I presume you are taking “outweigh” as one negative and “don’t think” as the “double negative”. If so, then you are simply misinterpreting it, as far as I can see, because the double negative supports masks.

Feel free to explain where I have gone wrong, if you believe you can, but please do not just try to “gaslight” me by repeatedly just asserting that it is not as it clearly appears to be – that’s just annoying and rude. If you have extra knowledge of his position that allows you to confirm that he mis-spoke on masks, then please just say so.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago

I’m a big fan of the Irreverent podcast, I even find the Bible stuff interesting. Like, I suspect, most listeners I came to it via Jamie Franklin’s appearance on The Delingpod.

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Pilla
Pilla
3 years ago

I, like Stewart below, was very disappointed with this podcast. In the London Calling podcasts between Toby Young and James Delingpole (which I love and make me laugh), I have always definitely been in the JD camp. There is no excuse for what has happened in the last two years worldwide – it has been a Great Reset agenda and nothing can excuse those who have followed it mindlessly.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Frost for PM – we need a “Save Britain” Party!

Tice just doesn’t cut the mustard.

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