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fon
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no extra NHS resources would have been "consumed" by not locking down.

You might be right butthe virus spreads via level of human contact and interaction. And that's all she wrote...

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an explosion of mental health issues when people have been subjected to psychological warfare

Yes, the propaganda has been practically as bad as Goebbels-style psychological warfare, and it drove us a bit mad. I hope people are resilient enough. It's been tough.
The cost financially and emotionally on the nation from these issues will far far outweigh any concerns posed by Covid.

Let's respect the 1 in 600 extra (above normal ) of us who died in the pandemic (counted in the official excess deaths), equivalent to approximately two to three Nagasakis or ~ 2% of those murdered in the halocaust. A very large catastrophe befell us, and the whole nation has livid scars.
This problem will genuinely outstrip the resources of the NHS.

The darkest hour for me was Christmas. The cases doubled in two weeks between 15 December and New Year to 600k. Had that trajectory continued unabated we would have had millions of cases by mid January. It was a very close shave in the run up to lockdown 3. There was no choice, esp. since the vaccine had started. There was absolutely no choice, we had to do lockdown 3 to tide us over until Spring and the vaccines. It worked, needs must when the devil drives.
Therefore ultimately lockdown will not have saved lives and will not have protected the NHS from being deluged patients, they are unable to treat.

We got to Spring and the vaccines kicked in. Some of us have had it easy, many have not. The UK is in a much better financial state than we were in 1945, when Labour won the election under the banner 'Victory in War must be followed by a Prosperous Peace', a similar sentiment to 'build back better'.

I think we collectively as a nation did well from the darkest time at Christmas until now. It's too late to do much good since it's waning. Beer gardens open in two weeks and a bit in England. Stay at home ends next week, on Saturday in Wales. The churches will open in Scotland, it's not much but it's a start at least. Hold on a bit longer, I think we got this licked now, since even Devi Sridhar is moving on to the next thing on her list:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/24/covid-pandemic-prepared-investment-science

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The darkest hour for me was Christmas. The cases doubled in two weeks between 15 December and New Year to 600k. Had that trajectory continued unabated we would have had millions of cases by mid January. It was a very close shave in the run up to lockdown 3. There was no choice, esp. since the vaccine had started. There was absolutely no choice, we had to do lockdown 3 to tide us over until Spring and the vaccines. It worked, needs must when the devil drives.

I well remember that then you were stirring the gloom and doom pot, worrying about the rise in cases by the Zoe ( reported symptoms ) app and predicting 2K deaths a day. I told you a couple of times that I was not worried - and those deaths did not materialise.

Lockdown did precious little to change the trajectory.

I'm of the same opinion as HART as stated in their review that most of the deaths in the January spike were not Covid

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but they rarely consider that lockdowns might prevent a considerable amount of NHS resources from being consumed by treating covid19.

The data - the stuff we know rather than having to believe - the data strongly supports the conclusion that lockdowns did not have a significant impact.

If you have this data, please share it. That way you will be supporting your opinion, rather than just stating it is a fact.

The data should compare lots of countries, with similar characteristics (demographics, population density, wealth, climate), otherwise proves nothing.

Have a look at how Sweden did, relative the their Nordic neighbours.

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The darkest hour for me was Christmas. The cases doubled in two weeks between 15 December and New Year to 600k. Had that trajectory continued unabated we would have had millions of cases by mid January. It was a very close shave in the run up to lockdown 3. There was no choice, esp. since the vaccine had started. There was absolutely no choice, we had to do lockdown 3 to tide us over until Spring and the vaccines. It worked, needs must when the devil drives.

I well remember that then you were stirring the gloom and doom pot, worrying about the rise in cases by the Zoe ( reported symptoms ) app and predicting 2K deaths a day. I told you a couple of times that I was not worried - and those deaths did not materialise.

Lockdown did precious little to change the trajectory.

I'm of the same opinion as HART as stated in their review that most of the deaths in the January spike were not Covid

Very odd that lockdown periods have correlated with downward trajectory of infections, admissions, deaths (3 times in the UK and many times in similar countries), yet you say they did little to change it!

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