Yet another totally brilliant and accurate albeit depressing post from you Jock.
Yes l believe there will now be a short lull to trick everybody into having the vaccine, thinking that once they have, restrictions will ease, on the contrary just when everybody starts to think restrictions will ease, further excuses like new variants or such like will be brought into scare the populace witless once again and bring about another round of lockdowns and restrictions. There is now a new life guarantee other than death and taxes it's called LOCKDOWN. Lockdown 4 is categorically inevitable!!!! We are victims of all out psychological warfare!!
I'm with fon on this. There is no scientific reason why you need to be vaccinated if you have already had covid (no doubt there will be arguments about how long immunity lasts and relative levels of transmission reduction, but basically in both cases the result is similar, you end up with the same defence mechanism against the virus).
The reason they are doing it in the UK is because the woeful failure of all forms of test and trace systems - including those for recording test results. The fact is 22 billion quid (I think that was the last figure) has been spaffed up the wall on projects run/owned by friends of government ministers, with no useful result (from a civil liberties point of view this is actually a bit of a bonus but I don't think that was the intention).
On the other hand it is relatively easy for them to record everyone's NHS number and whether or not they have had a jab - this could be done with 1940's technology, which seems to be about where we still are as a country in many ways.
So that's why here (and not necessarily in other countries) they are asking for recovered individuals to have a jab - because they otherwise can't be sure whether you've had the disease or not (of course they could do an antibody test first but I presume the cost of this possibly exceeds that of the jab)?
Is anybody asking the question, 'why do I need a vaccine if I've had Covid?'
Israel isn't vaccinating people currently who have had covid [1].
France were discussing only giving a single dose to people who've already had it. [2]
There is a pre-print which i now cant actually find in the last few weeks showing that previous sufferers were just as protected after a single oxford dose after having had covid as the 2nd - ie the booster did nothing.
Public Health England also showed that previous infection provided as much protection as Pfizer and significantly more than AZ. [3]
As for AB tests, they're not great. Random thresholds, only certain types of immune response etc. They don't tell you a great deal.
But it does appear more and more the UK is being wasteful in its strategy by vaccinating the 4,500,000 people who have already had covid and, having decided to do so, giving them 2 doses.
[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-said-to-mull-vaccines-for-recovered-covid-patients/
[3] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1
Thank you, that is really helpful
. So, to do as you suggest , they would have needed a definitive list of people who are known to have had covid19.
Its on your medical records all linked to your NHS ID.
I've seen it for a relative. The system feeds into that. Very easy to draw up a list on that with a 1 line query.
So that's why here (and not necessarily in other countries) they are asking for recovered individuals to have a jab - because they otherwise can't be sure whether you've had the disease or not (of course they could do an antibody test first but I presume the cost of this possibly exceeds that of the jab)?
Ultimately the sensible policy if the goal is to protect as many people as quickly as possible, you do the recovered from covid people *last*.
Thats what Israel is doing.
