Zero covid has been a big success for countries like New Zealand and Australia. It's even paid off for countries with big land borders like Vietnam and China.

No it hasn't.
Lets dispel some myths first.
Zero covid is a physical and scientific impossibility. It cannot happen. Ever. You can try forever and will still never attain it.

Australia/NZ were lucky due to flukes of geography and catching it *before* it became endemic. And ultimately their population is imprisoned inside its borders and faces lockup with zero notice everytime someone gets a cough.
They cant ever open up again. Thats not a solution.

Vietname/China/Thailand is far better explained with cross immunity.
But given that the disease is now endemic in the world community, and that it seems to generate constant new variants which rebound at an exponential rate, then zero covid looks like a high risk strategy.

Variants dont rebound at an exponential rate. Never have, never will. It doesnt work like that.
You are NEVER going to win a game of whack-a-mole against natural selection. Mutants are ALWAYS going to evolve and quite often evolve independently in different regions because of a conferred advantage (the S484K has evolved independently 4-6 times that we know of in different parts of the globe).
You will never ever win if you approach it in this way.

The ONLY way to deal is get on with life and adapt vaccines to protect the particularly vulnerable every year.
Personally, right now I'd go for vaccine-managed covid unless the situation changes again.

The current approach is entirely reactive - its not managing COVID. COVID is managing us. Its completely backwards.
"managed approach" is just another word for never ending restrictions.

>China
>Zero Covid success

Lol. Imagine believing anything, ANYTHING, that the Chicoms say for public consumption, ever.

Aus and NZ managed to get to "zero covid" because quarantining a sparsely populated island nation that's 1,000 miles from its nearest neighbour is about as hard as putting on a hat. The only thing they did that allowed them to get to it was closing the borders, but that's not necessarily feasible for us for a multitude of reasons.

The flu vaccine is far more effective than the COVID vaccine.

Completely untrue. Generally we see 40-60% flu vaccine efficacy each year, sometimes (as recently) far lower.

You're making the assumption that there's enough data on the COVID vaccine to suggest that it's better than the flu jab. There really wasn't enough data when they approved the vaccines. The data that is coming out (in particular for Pfizer) suggests less than 53%. And my 3 statements are still true.

So as I stated at the beginning, the vaccine is not a solution. The only thing that's a solution is people realising that there's no such thing as zero COVID/risk. Unfortunately you have a political class, happily wheeling out the fear to keep you all in your place.

In the end, on this trajectory the only way to get one's freedom back, is to take it.

So it's make your mind up time, we can either:

Zero covid has been a big success for countries like New Zealand and Australia. It's even paid off for countries with big land borders like Vietnam and China.

But given that the disease is now endemic in the world community, and that it seems to generate constant new variants which rebound at an exponential rate, then zero covid looks like a high risk strategy.

Of course, for a country like the UK, there is the terrific problem of getting back to zero in the first place.

Personally, right now I'd go for vaccine-managed covid unless the situation changes again.

There's no such thing as zero COVID. It's out there. NZ was one of the most idiotic lockdowns on record. 4 people died and they shutdown the entire country. I can't think of a more moronic example. The fact that COVID never really reached their shores in the first place and a country with a population less than 5 million people put it's entire country into captivity. The absurdity is beyond compare. It's certainly not a model for other countries to follow. In the end, COVID will get back there too and what are they going to do then?

... fat, unhealthy, old, co morbidities

But you're picking the wrong foe.

Your real enemies are Devi Sridar and those on SAGE who would strive for zero covid19, at all costs. Freedoms go out the window. If they prevail, you'll have even fewer freedoms than you have now.

If vaccination of the vulnerable (fat, unhealthy, old, co morbidities) can save us from that, next winter, then I'm all for it.

I am completely for VOLUNTARY vaccination of all vulnerable people's who wish to take it and even all healthy people who wish to take it, providing freedom is not dangled as a carrot dependant on vax.

Like others say my opinion is deffo a minority and I am not trying to push anyone else into non vaccination. I have encouraged my nan to have hers. Every one should make their own choices I just hope we are not held to vaccine ransom