In an article on the bbc today, it is said (by the Department of Health) that unvaccinated made up 12% of the adult population in Northern Ireland, but 72% of people in intensive care. And that adults who have not had two vaccine doses are five times more likely to be admitted to hospital, and 10 times more likely to be admitted to intensive care.
In an article on the bbc today, it is said (by the Department of Health) that unvaccinated made up 12% of the adult population in Northern Ireland, but 72% of people in intensive care. And that adults who have not had two vaccine doses are five times more likely to be admitted to hospital, and 10 times more likely to be admitted to intensive care.
Ah yes, a junk "statistic". Prepared by the innumerate and believed by the credulous and stupid.
So there are 35 to 40 people in ICU's in Northern Ireland at the moment. Most over 70. Most with prior respiratory / pulmonary medical histories. And most diagnosed as "COVID cases" because of a non valid clinical diagnostic test. Not because of the traditional diagnosis evidence of viral pneumonia. Cloudy chest X-Rays etc..
And most also have green eye colour and support either Rangers or Celtic..
To use the jargon of statistical analysis, that number you quoted dont mean sh*t.
This is what a genuine statistic would look like. You start with a sample of 600 to 1000 ICU patients. Who have a low PSI/PORT score or local equivalent. No chronically sick people. And with a clinical diagnosed viral pneumonia with active SARs CoV 2 infection. Then you find an equivalent representational group in the general population. Then and only then can you start doing mathematical valid comparisons of infection rates / treatment rates etc of the vaccinated v the unvaccinated population.
See the difference?
The first number you quoted is what is known in the trade as a "Made Up Number". A number presented in such a way as to seem like it is valid and meaningful but in fact key subsidiary information which shows the number to have no larger meaning is removed.
So it's just a random "statistic" about a very small number of mostly old chronically sick people. Thats all.
@jmc and it is written today in the guardian that Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic .
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/covid-19-death-toll-1918-flu-pandemic
I expect you can reuse most of what you have said above, in the predcitable manner of a covid denier.
I see how you can attack an article based on incomplete information, the absence of which could mean the message is misleading. It doesn't actually mean the conclusion is incorrect - just that it is a bad article.
A similar beneficial conclusion can be gleaned from an ONS publication, but based on deaths.
Here is a quote:
"There were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses (England, 2 January to 2 July 2021). This accounts for 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). In people who received their second dose at least 21 days before date of death, deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths. This compares with 37.4% of all deaths in unvaccinated individuals. Some deaths are expected in vaccinated individuals as the number of people who are vaccinated is high and no vaccine is 100% effective."
@thinksaboutit "There were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses (England, 2 January to 2 July 2021). This accounts for 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). In people who received their second dose at least 21 days before date of death, deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths. This compares with 37.4% of all deaths in unvaccinated individuals."
That is a very misleading way to present the data and they know it. Hardly anybody had received both vaccine doses during the part of that period where almost all the deaths occurred. Time is a huge confounder in that statistic, as it was in a very similar statistic put out in the US by the Cleveland Clinic, but in the UK's case it is a much bigger confounder because of the policy decision to space the doses 3 months apart. 96% of the deaths attributed to COVID between 2 Jan and 2 July happened between 2 Jan and 21 March, at which point there were 2.3 million total double-vaxxed and just 816,000 who had been double-vaxxed for 21 days or more.
Looking at it another way, for most of the period in which 96% of the deaths occurred, there were less than 500K double vaxxed, which at the time was roughly 1.5% of the fully unvaxxed.
And who believes it, given the source? Thanks for letting us know.
The entire headline is misleading - it makes no attempt to differentiate prior infection from non.
Prior infection people but unvaccinated are LESS likely to need hospital treatment than double vaccinated people that have not.
PHE figures. Backed up by Israeli MoH.
@splattt no attempt to differentiate prior infection from non.
that has been a problem since the start.
