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Very informative description here of the processes involved in mRNA vaccine induced immunity. Seems detailed and objective. Best of all it is written, as far as possible, in layman's language. Easy to follow. There are 9 slides in King Baeksu's thread -

https://twitter.com/KingBaeksu/status/1450077947298123779

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No need to read the article to know that mRNA 'vaccines' don't work as we are told they are intended to.

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Posted by: @william-gruff

No need to read the article to know that mRNA 'vaccines' don't work as we are told they are intended to.

Meaning "better not read the article as it may show anti-vaxx views are plain wrong"

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@thinksaboutit 

I hope you've had yours, and are having the 'booster'.

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@thinksaboutit 

I hope you've had yours, and are having the 'booster'.

Thank you for your kind thoughts.  The answer is yes and yes.

You should too, it's a good idea.

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Eh?

There is substantial robust data showing the mRNA vaccines do exactly what they were designed for and more effectively than first hoped.

There are many people not dead now thanks to them.

 

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@splattt 

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@splattt 

Really? Care to share the evidence for your absurd claim that "many people are not dead thanks to them"? And please don't cite some absurd "models show blah blah blah" rubbish.

There is substantial robust data showing that covid was not a threat to anyone under the age of 50 in reasonable health.

There is also substantial data that shows mRNA vaccines are unsafe and cause death and injury to people for whom catching covid would have been little more than an annoyance.

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@splattt 

Really? Care to share the evidence for your absurd claim that "many people are not dead thanks to them"? And please don't cite some absurd "models show blah blah blah" rubbish.

There is substantial robust data showing that covid was not a threat to anyone under the age of 50 in reasonable health.

There is also substantial data that shows mRNA vaccines are unsafe and cause death and injury to people for whom catching covid would have been little more than an annoyance.

Are you really saying that many lives have not been saved by these vaccines?

How do you explain why the ratio of deaths/infections has fallen so radically?

 

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@thinksaboutit 

I said nothing of the sort. I asked for the evidence to back up your assumption that the vaxx has saved "many" lives. Considering the vast vast majority of covid fatalities were very ill elderly people who were already knocking on deaths door I don't see how you can say "many people are not dead thanks to vaccines".

"How do you explain why the ratio of deaths/infections has fallen so radically?"

I'm not sure i would say that. I mean we have had more deaths all summer than the equivalent period last year without vaccines. The fact that the vast vast majority of tests/infections are in children who are at zero risk of hospitalisation or death from covid would skew the figures/ratio in that direction.

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Eh?

There is substantial robust data showing the mRNA vaccines do exactly what they were designed for and more effectively than first hoped.

There are many people not dead now thanks to them.

 

It isn't only mRNA vaccines that work.

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@thinksaboutit 

30-40% more effective in all areas in all cohorts than vector based or inactivated virus methods in this case.

So they're *significantly* better.

 

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@thinksaboutit 

30-40% more effective in all areas in all cohorts than vector based or inactivated virus methods in this case.

So they're *significantly* better.

 

mRNA vaccines are better, but "30-40% better" needs some justification.

It isn't backed up by the vaccine surveillance report, from which I have derived, the relative effectiveness.

Pfizer vs AZ

Infection 15% better

Symptomatic disease 18% better

Hospitalisation 3% better

Mortality 2% better

Using mid-range figures from the report.

So where it matters - hospitalisation and death, they are actually pretty close.

 

 

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@splattt The evidence actually says otherwise.  You are either mentally ill or a shill.  Whichever obtains, further exchanges with you are pointless so this thread is ended as far as I am concerned.

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@william-gruff 

You can't have a reasoned debate with the vaxx zealots. I agree some are shills but the majority are just brainwashed sheep. Even with the mountains of evidence they just won't listen.

I get it in a way. Can you imagine how scared the vaxx nuts start to become as their decision to take the jab is more and more shown to be the wrong one 😱 

Remember the jab cultists are all in! They have put all their chips on the vaxx being the holy grail that will save them. I mean once that stuff is injected into you it's not like you can ever be un-injected . There's no takesy-backsies when it comes to the decision to take an experimental injection into your body. They more you prove them wrong the harder they will push back! What brains they have cannot deal with the fact they are wrong. It does not compute.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf

I mean look at that article. It's clear as day to anyone that WANTS to know the truth that at the very least a link between these "mystery" blocked arteries LOL and the clot causing jabs MUST be investigated! But it won't.

If i was vaxxed I would be strting to get very worried that i had made a terrible mistake. And what do humans do when faced with such a psychological dilema? One word... DENIAL! Humans are masters at denial and self deception and that is what we see now. The vaxxed sheeple desperately lying to themselves to salvage their ego's and dispel their very valid fears.

 

 

 

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@william-gruff 

How articulate and intelligent.

I assume you have absolutely no understanding of the subject and are therefore unable to form a single literate argument to debate.

Typical tinfoil hat lunatic.

 

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@splattt 

So where is your reply with evidence backing up your fairytale statement that "There are many people not dead now thanks to them."?

Why are we seeing higher RATES per 100,000 of infection in vaxxed than unvaxxed splatt? Why are we seeing so much more covid this year compared to last year when we had no vaccine? WTF has jabbing millions of sheep actually achieved? I'm talking measurable benefits here splatty boy not pie in the sky models and wild assumptions...

I will wait... a while i presume as you are not interested in substantiating your ridiculous claims.

I have not seen YOU form a single literate argument. Just spout off unsubstatiated nonsense and opinion based on fuck all factual evidence!

 

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@splattt 

So where is your reply with evidence backing up your fairytale statement that "There are many people not dead now thanks to them."?

Why are we seeing higher RATES per 100,000 of infection in vaxxed than unvaxxed splatt? Why are we seeing so much more covid this year compared to last year when we had no vaccine? WTF has jabbing millions of sheep actually achieved? I'm talking measurable benefits here splatty boy not pie in the sky models and wild assumptions...

I will wait... a while i presume as you are not interested in substantiating your ridiculous claims.

I have not seen YOU form a single literate argument. Just spout off unsubstatiated nonsense and opinion based on fuck all factual evidence!

 

The evidence is in the reduced deaths/infection ratio. 

It that isn't good enough for you, explain why and address that specific fact.

If you can't, admit you are wrong.

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@thinksaboutit

I did account for that fact . It is not my problem you can't read or understand a post.

It's pretty clear why the deaths/infection RATIO is much lower now following vaccination. I would say it is more t do with the fact the the vast vast majority of "cases" are now in people who had pretty much zero risk of death to begin with. IE children and young people.

You can clearly see most infections are in young people at no risk of death from covid in ONS stats. ONS stats also show tyhe vast vast majority od deaths remain in the 65+ cohort which is the most vaccinated group in the country.

That said the rates per 100,000 of infection is still higher in the vaxxed than unvaxxed in all cohorts except the very youngest. All evidence points to the vaxx being relatively pointless for anyone under 50. There is literally ZERO scientific justification for vaxx passes or mandates and that is a fact.

 

 

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Posted by: @jockcovidiot

@thinksaboutit

I did account for that fact . It is not my problem you can't read or understand a post.

It's pretty clear why the deaths/infection RATIO is much lower now following vaccination. I would say it is more t do with the fact the the vast vast majority of "cases" are now in people who had pretty much zero risk of death to begin with. IE children and young people.

You can clearly see most infections are in young people at no risk of death from covid in ONS stats. ONS stats also show tyhe vast vast majority od deaths remain in the 65+ cohort which is the most vaccinated group in the country.

That said the rates per 100,000 of infection is still higher in the vaxxed than unvaxxed in all cohorts except the very youngest. All evidence points to the vaxx being relatively pointless for anyone under 50. There is literally ZERO scientific justification for vaxx passes or mandates and that is a fact.

 

 

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While you my think you have an argument, you should have a close look. It hinges on the high infection rate of some school age children. Perhaps 5x higher than average. But, this is for an age band that is 5 years wide. Or 1/16 of the population. Multiply these numbers together an you will find that it is not the vast majority.

Look at the varying age band widths, in the chart you post. Then do some sums..you will see your rationale vanish.

Stepping aside from the maths and analysing your reasoning... You say the cases are now in young age groups, so why is this? Vaccination of the adult population seems like the explanation, even if you don't agree.

Let's face it you ask for evidence, then receive it, but still won't accept it. 

 

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@splattt 

So where is your reply with evidence backing up your fairytale statement that "There are many people not dead now thanks to them."?

Why are we seeing higher RATES per 100,000 of infection in vaxxed than unvaxxed splatt? Why are we seeing so much more covid this year compared to last year when we had no vaccine? WTF has jabbing millions of sheep actually achieved? I'm talking measurable benefits here splatty boy not pie in the sky models and wild assumptions...

I will wait... a while i presume as you are not interested in substantiating your ridiculous claims.

I have not seen YOU form a single literate argument. Just spout off unsubstatiated nonsense and opinion based on fuck all factual evidence!

 

Given that about 90% of the over 12 population is vaccinated, then if vaccines did nothing, then you would expect 9x higher cases in the vaccinated population, relative the the unvaccinated. Since this ratio is actually much much lower, then it follows that the vaccines have a beneficial effect.

Get over it....vaccines work, there is loads of evidence and you are wrong. 

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@splattt 

So where is your reply with evidence backing up your fairytale statement that "There are many people not dead now thanks to them."?

Why are we seeing higher RATES per 100,000 of infection in vaxxed than unvaxxed splatt? Why are we seeing so much more covid this year compared to last year when we had no vaccine? WTF has jabbing millions of sheep actually achieved? I'm talking measurable benefits here splatty boy not pie in the sky models and wild assumptions...

I will wait... a while i presume as you are not interested in substantiating your ridiculous claims.

I have not seen YOU form a single literate argument. Just spout off unsubstatiated nonsense and opinion based on fuck all factual evidence!

 

Given that about 90% of the over 12 population is vaccinated, then if vaccines did nothing, then you would expect 9x higher cases in the vaccinated population, relative the the unvaccinated. Since this ratio is actually much much lower, then it follows that the vaccines have a beneficial effect.

Get over it....vaccines work, there is loads of evidence and you are wrong. 

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