The Zoe symptom checking app...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoGqyFUoUSw
is showing that vaacinated people comprise a small part (23%) of the current infections, despite vaacinated people comprising the vast majority of all people. It seems to show vaccination works quite well, which is what the government and SAGE have been saying. It's good to have coherent data from different sources, as a cross check. I think with vaccines, and (for breakthrough cases medicines like molnupiravir once approved, and Dexamethasone..) we must be close to the end of this thing. I'm just still hoping the Oxford trial of ivermectin comes up trumps... only time will tell on that.
And an unbiased study from one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Qatar, shows that the vaccines don't work. Or, at least, they don't work after about 20 weeks post 2nd jab.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1
For some reason they didn't calculate the vaccine effectiveness properly -- when their calculated value went negative they just reported 0.0% effectiveness.
FWIW, the actual vaccine effectiveness 25 weeks after the 2nd jab was -13.7%. Ie, they had more cases in the double jabbed at this point than in the unvaccinated.
Of course, there is residual protection against hospitalisation even after 25 weeks, but this study suggests that really we should only be vaccinating the vulnerable and by vaccinating the non-vulnerable we'll only be increasing covid case numbers and putting at risk those who remain vulnerable to covid. It should be clear that mandating vaccination for healthcare workers will substantially increase risks to the vulnerable.
This data also supports the more recent data from PHE re. the incidence of covid in the vaccinated (per 100,000), which also shows substantially increased cases compared with the unvaccinated.
> 20 weeks post 2nd jab.
They have really got you full of fear, eh? Even breakthroughs are covered by molnupiravir and dexamethazone, no need to even mention yesterday's news (hcq or ivermectic.)
Vaccines work for reducing serious illness in the small demographic likely to get seriously ill in the first place yes.
For a limited amount of time.
Thats why vaccination policy should always have been to only vaccine the small demographic vulnerable to getting seriously ill.
What we now know more and more is protection against infection is virtually nil after 6 months so its a complete and utter waste of time giving them to anyone who isnt likely to get seriously ill (so roughly anyone under 50 who isnt CEV).
PHE had a 47% efficacy against infection after 5 months. Latest data dump a month later suggests its down to 30%.
Qatari and Israeli data suggest that figure is effectively zero after that. A US study supports this.
Please reference your studies.
Notices you reference efficacy against infection, not serious illness or death.
Are you charry picking you numbers?
@thinksaboutit PHE data shows significant waning.
Israeli data shows significant waning.
Qatari data shows significant waning
mRNAs drop off significantly after 6 months.
Since this PHE preprint was released there have been 2 more cycles of data released.
Those show further waning than reported here.
All of it shows the policy of only vaccinating those at risk was and remains the only sensible one.
None of these numbers are the 47% you claim.
You could send a link to the actual studies "data dumps", so there is context. This is a table of numbers with no title.
@thinksaboutit
Same PHE document.
Thats symptomatic infection so total infection is even lower.
The last 2 cycles show even lower figures as waning continues.
If you cant be bothered to find a PHE table in a PHE document then im not spoonfeeding that.
Is the ZoE app the one collecting reports of people having symptoms of the common cold and then using them to ramp up the number of "covid" "cases" with the consequent extension of population fear and govt authoritarianism?
I think that's what you're talking about. The cold symptom collection app. So how it can also show the jabs have any effect against "covid" when it had next to nothing to do with collecting "covid" data in the first place is illogical and bordering on stupidity.
Is the ZoE app the one collecting reports of people having symptoms of the common cold and then using them to ramp up the number of "covid" "cases" .
No. It does not work like that at all.
Zoe removed their chart of vaxxed vs unvaxxed months ago when it started to look unfavourable to the vaxxed, claiming that their unvaxxed numbers were too small to be representative https://dailysceptic.org/2021/07/17/infections-in-the-vaccinated-overtake-those-in-the-unvaccinated-for-the-first-time-but-the-graph-mysteriously-disappears-from-the-zoe-app-report/ but somehow they have now reinstated the chart, showing numbers wildly different from other sources? 🙄
