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Weekly deaths update


MikeAustin
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This is just a quick update on ONS weekly death figures released today and the latest NHS figures for the causes of death.

There are three sets of figures that I identify as over-estimating the effect of covid-19 at the moment, as indicated on the above chart.

  • Firstly, the stats for the weekly deaths due to causes other than covid has been continuously going down since September. I judge this to be quite an unlikely scenario. It is contrary to the trend for the last 10 years. I suggest that it should track previous years and that any differences are probably due to misattribution of covid-19 as the main cause. We are talking about 170 deaths a day here.

  • Secondly, the NHS data shows that less than 5% of 'deaths with covid' are due to covid-only. The remainder have an average of 1.75 pre-existing conditions. It is not possible to assess the relative contribution of covid and the pre-existing conditions. However, it is quite unreasonable to assume that they are all 'covid deaths'. In particular, as the average age of death is over 80 and very close to end-of-life, it would be reasonable to assume that age-related reasons are predominant.

  • Thirdly, the actual presence of active covid-19 is not found from PCR tests. Not only do these tests produce a large number of false positives, they do not indicate whether covid-19 could have played any part in the death. Furthermore, as the PCR testing rate tripled around 6th September, there are quite valid concerns that testing quality would have reduced. It seems significant that the apparent increase of covid-19 as a factor in weekly deaths started at around this time.

  • In the above, I have not used data from anywhere other than government sources. The approximation for false positives is not suggested to be an exact value but is based on the ONS estimate of prevalence and measured 'case' numbers. Because of the ill-effects of the ongoing anti-covid measures, I feel that it is expedient to work with something provisional. A tentative suggestion fits the bill better than a 'don't know'.

    The main concern for everyone here will be the overall increase in deaths. From the outset, many of us were concerned that public health and mortality would be compromised by the excessive anti-covid measures. We are now seeing this happening - but the cause is being incorrectly attributed to covid-19. If the cause is not correctly identified, the solution will always miss the mark.

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    Judgey
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    Agree with your analysis entirely.

    I looked at the actual influenza and pneumonia data which can be downloaded. The data is slightly confusing.

    Flu and Pneumonia Deaths are separated from covid deaths by:

    1, Being involved in a death
    2. Being the main cause of a death

    The problem being who/what decides the main cause of a covid death when co-morbidity is involved in up to 95% of mortality?

    I suspect the PCR test determines most deaths.

    Confirming the suspicion it is now really a statistical covid epidemic we are experiencing and not a true covid epidemic

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    rachel.c
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    Thanks for the analysis. Dr Clare Craig is clearly onto this with some of her questions in today's LS blog.

    Also, the fact that in the last few months there have been so many excess deaths at home (c.30K) some of which might have been avoided if they'd been hospitalised, must be impacting on the overall numbers.

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