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Speedstick
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Great post Richard 👍
Made me laugh, good to have some laughter and humanity on here😆
I see one jobsworth sadly can't see they funny side. Unbelievable!!!

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CoronanationStreet
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The vital question is to ask "how we got here?". If vaccine passports (effectively making vaccines compulsory in order to regain fundamental human rights and freedoms) are introduced then we have to work backwards and interrogate the past 12 months and ask why.

Some people will be perfectly comfortable with the idea of a new licensing scheme where the govt tells you where you can go (and apply conditions just as it has for the last year), possibly younger generations and others who are welded to mobile phones anyway and those who voluntarily buy into technocratic intrusions in their previously private lives (phones and watches keeping track of where you are; what your heart rate is; how many miles you've walked/run/cycled; bombarding you with local "unmissable" offers which you simply couldn't live without etc).

Others prefer to live simpler life but one where they are in more control of their own destiny, or at least work it out for themselves, without nd electronic tag akin to a prisoner release scheme.

At least currently, I can leave my mobile phone at home if I go out to the shops or even to work. People who matter know how to get hold of me.

I do hope those with actual data and analytical skills (and less of the anecdotal rubbish I come out with) are in position to seriously and publicly question why the govt thinks a vaccine passport is remotely necessary as the risk from the virus seems to be on the wane long before the end of the roadmap is even in sight.

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Splatt
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Its possible they're starting it now because they've finally admitted its seasonal and cases will spike again in autumn.

But by then of course your "Oxford" will be null and void until you submit to the Autumn 2020 booster update for variants...and so on.

Cynically, its a process they can implement and troubleshoot now while cases are at a minimum so its ready for release when they rise again.

Get your phone nicked or it breaks, be unable to go to the cinema, pub or on holiday. What a way to live.

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StPiosCafe
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the risk from the virus seems to be on the wane long before the end of the roadmap is even in sight.

We're not going to fall for that, again. Last time it waned like this, Mike Yeadon decided the plague was over, and 5 months later, it was running at 4000 deaths per week again, 2 Horoshima pa. Hiroshimas (80k deaths ) are good units to visualise it, we're running upwards of 1.5 h up to today, in the UK, 31 h globally.
question why the govt thinks a vaccine passport is remotely necessary

Well so far they are thinking out how to do it. Here are the reasons they give:

It's so the bundle of computer records about you can all be stored and retrieved. We've had them for decades in the science community. They are called Grid certificates. Now it looks like everybody's going to have one!

[url= https://www.gridpp.ac.uk/wiki/Grid_Certificate

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StPiosCafe
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Get your phone nicked or it breaks, be unable to go to the cinema, pub or on holiday. What a way to live.

I'll say a little bit about how the global scientists' grid certificate works. They call it a Grid certificate because the grid is the largest science data storage system in the world and the largest set of federated supercomputers.

You never really use your identity certificate, it's too easy to lose or steal. You may never even have a copy of your real certificate. You may have a chip and pin card with it buried in ROM. You'll be able to use a passphrase to generate a proxy certificate, which is a time limited version of your real certificate. You'll use the proxy to do the specific things you create it for. If anybody steals it, it'd be useless after a day, anyway. That way, there can be no market in stolen credentials. If you lose it, you'd generate a new proxy, automatically revoking the old one at the same time. And that, I think, will be the basis for our digital identities. It's all based on Public Key cryptography and digital signatures. The basics are there but it's going to take a lot of working out. And it will all be shot to shit if Quantum Computing becomes real.

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