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StPiosCafe
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having a digital ID rolled out for day to day life, for logging into HMRC or other govt services - OK provided ot is limited to simply verifying someone is who they say they are.

it is paramount that the records obtained apply to the person involved, so the records involved and the person involved are linked by the id, because the records and the person are related by the same identity.
But when it stretches to including private medical records, and then where...

It's obvious to me that medical records and the person are related by the same identity.
to religious or cultural views, political views, which papers you read online, which online forums you subscribe to?

The records and the person always relate to the same identity, else they are a mish mash.

And having those records accessible by, for example, the police in real time in the street.

Are you seriously suggesting that criminals should be able to hide their past from the us and our police? What sort of world do you have in mind? The wild west is over and done with for obvious reasons.

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StPiosCafe
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So no, its not safe. Only safe option is to not store it, especially centrally.

I expect they would use a federated database, it's no obstacle to distribute but the data over continents and it is still logically related and accessible with the same query language. Things have moved on since your day (punched cards by the looks of it.)

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Splatt
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Im fully aware how it works.

You seem to be unaware (or deliberately ignoring) many of the basic fundamentals of data and data storage.

If it exists and its linked there is nothing you can do to guarantee unauthorised bodies do not have access to that data. The larger and more unified the database, the greater this risk is.

Data is a toxic asset security wise. If you don't need it, don't index it and don't keep it.

Anything in a "digital identity" can easily and on a whim grant any random public and private parties access to anything and everything in there with absolutely no authorisation (or indeed knowledge) of the actual person whos data it is.
Again this has happened multiple times recently with the massive expansion of 40+ LGAs that got given access to various records in the UK.
And all of that is without the risk of unauthorised bodies obtaining, manipulating or using that data.

So again, the sensible solution is simply not to store it. Especially in a centralised, globally accessible way.

The only way to guarantee no authorised access is to not store that data. Assuming some has to be stored by various bodies, the only way to prevent the worst abuses of access rights is to not store all that data in one, centrally accessible system.

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CoronanationStreet
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having a digital ID rolled out for day to day life, for logging into HMRC or other govt services - OK provided ot is limited to simply verifying someone is who they say they are.

it is paramount that the records obtained apply to the person involved, so the records involved and the person involved are linked by the id, because the records and the person are related by the same identity.
But when it stretches to including private medical records, and then where...

It's obvious to me that medical records and the person are related by the same identity.
to religious or cultural views, political views, which papers you read online, which online forums you subscribe to?

The records and the person always relate to the same identity, else they are a mish mash.

And having those records accessible by, for example, the police in real time in the street.

Are you seriously suggesting that criminals should be able to hide their past from the us and our police? What sort of world do you have in mind? The wild west is over and done with for obvious reasons.

There is a presumption of innocence in this country, and until such time as a crime has been investigated, evidence (gathered legally) has been compiled, the suspect has been fairly interviewed, handled by the police and CPS, fairly tried and convicted there is no good reason why the police should carry around real time data on the average joe bloggs in the street "just in case". There are exceptions for terrorism.

A criminal past doesn't equal a criminal present. Otherwise, what is the point of rehabilitation of offenders? What you describe is the type of harrassment of currently innocent people by the police - something more akin to the wild west or a witch hunt.

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StPiosCafe
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If it exists and its linked there is nothing you can do to guarantee unauthorised bodies do not have access to that data. The larger and more unified the database, the greater this risk is.

Of course if it is linked it pertains to the same person!

So again, the sensible solution is simply not to store it.
and where does it say what vaccine I've had so I can go to Spain?

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