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CoronanationStreet
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Having a digital verification service for online ID checking and also seeing whether passports are genuine, for example is useful and already exists for professional services such as law firms, subject to strict duties, data protection and confidentiality requirements. For client verification matters such as conveyancing or other legal transactions that exists and is fine.

Having a digital ID rolled out for day to day life, for logging into HMRC or other govt services - OK provided ot is limited to simply verifying someone is who they say they are.

But when it stretches to including private medical records, and then where... to religious or cultural views, political views, which papers you read online, which online forums you subscribe to?

And having those records accessible by, for example, the police in real time in the street.

That is the stuff of the Stasi and is just databasing the population.

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Splatt
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That is the stuff of the Stasi and is just databasing the population.

Social crediting.

Our entire pandemic response has been to copy China.
It must be elated to discover that all the "democracies" competing against it have gone for their methods at the first opportunity. Its kind of validated their whole system of government.

The worrying thing is we have people like Gove in charge who've wanted this type of data for decades.

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Freeman Exiled
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Submitting to the Experimental Vaccine is Coercion.

In employment law if an employer makes a job so untenable that the employee has no choice but to resign, it's called constructive dismissal.

If the Government makes your life so difficult to live that you cannot access services, travel, go to public functions and you have no choice but to be injected... I suppose we could call it Coercive Constructive Vaccination.

noun
the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.
force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force.

"The intimidation of a victim to compel the individual to do some act against his or her will by the use of psychological pressure, physical force, or threats. The crime of intentionally and unlawfully restraining another's freedom by threatening to commit a crime, accusing the victim of a crime, disclosing any secret that would seriously impair the victim's reputation in the community, or by performing or refusing to perform an official action lawfully requested by the victim, or by causing an official to do so."

"In addition to the threat of or limited use of force (or both), coercion may entail economic sanctions, psychological pressures, and social ostracism. The concept of coercion should be distinguished from persuasion, which entails getting another party to follow a particular course of action or behaviour by appealing to the party’s reason and interests, as opposed to threatening or implying punitive measures."

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checkthefacts
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Submitting to the Experimental Vaccine is Coercion.

In employment law if an employer makes a job so untenable that the employee has no choice but to resign, it's called constructive dismissal.

If the Government makes your life so difficult to live that you cannot access services, travel, go to public functions and you have no choice but to be injected... I suppose we could call it Coercive Constructive Vaccination.

noun
the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.
force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force.

"The intimidation of a victim to compel the individual to do some act against his or her will by the use of psychological pressure, physical force, or threats. The crime of intentionally and unlawfully restraining another's freedom by threatening to commit a crime, accusing the victim of a crime, disclosing any secret that would seriously impair the victim's reputation in the community, or by performing or refusing to perform an official action lawfully requested by the victim, or by causing an official to do so."

"In addition to the threat of or limited use of force (or both), coercion may entail economic sanctions, psychological pressures, and social ostracism. The concept of coercion should be distinguished from persuasion, which entails getting another party to follow a particular course of action or behaviour by appealing to the party’s reason and interests, as opposed to threatening or implying punitive measures."

In your mind, when will the vaccine be considered effective, safe and acceptable?

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ConstantBees
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I just got a call from the NHS offering me the vaccine. I'm in my 60s and quite healthy, so I said no thank you. I asked not to be called again but to do that they wanted to verify my identity by having me give personal details. I said, "you called me, how do I know you're actually from the NHS?" All they knew was my name and mobile number. So I refused that. She said they would call me again, so I guess I'll get another chance to say no.

I did tell her that I'd moved recently and that I was no longer in my old GP's catchment area. I didn't tell her that I haven't registered with a new GP because I no longer trust the the government or NHS. Saving that for the next call.

I'm lucky. I have no family, and no friends I wish to visit abroad, so I don't have any need for foreign travel. I'm also lucky that I love the UK, weather and all. But I'm an immigrant so I've chosen this climate.

I will hold out as long as I can. Until they force me to choose between an unnecessary vaccine and eating or having a roof over my head - or threaten to take away my allotment. That's what's essential in my life.

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