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strange-cultist
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What does anyone think about the "new" strain in regards to certain theories about what's going on assuming that we're all pretty cynical people who are at least a bit skeptical about the timing of these new restrictions.
If it was known about for a while why have they only just made a thing of it now, before Christmas? Politically they are playing into Labour's hands. A few days ago Boris was the good guy and Keir Starmer was the puritan. Now what they've done is so chaotic and humiliating for themselves or so you would think in normal times. It seems like they are acting so indecisively but the sudden closing of London on a whim was timed so ridiculously you would think it was planned that way for maximum effect. Have they been compromised by some outside source who is making them do these things. Is it a case of the government acting like an abusive partner by offering hope of a vaccine/Christmas break then snatching it away to break people's spirits down and get them to accept the vaccine? Why are the opposition and other countries in the union even more fanatical about zero covid? Is that by design, to drag the central government further left.
Are they just being earnest and genuinely think they can stop an airborne virus that is already out there by micromanagement of everyone?
Is it something to do with Brexit deal negotiations? I read somewhere maybe even on here that other countries in Europe reported having this strain yet we are the ones being closed off. Is it some sort of distraction from a Brexit betrayal or is it some kind of punishment by Europe? I think it is awful and irrational what is being done to London now but in a way it kind of leads me away from the Great Reset theory to govt desperation for uptake of the vaccine. We know how powerful big pharma is and how much money and reputation is riding on this rollout being successful. Even on heavily censored social media there is a lot of skepticism about the vaccine. Just a week ago it was practically confirmed that there were no plans to coerce people into taking the vaccine "at the moment". Maybe this is a strategic way to U-turn on that. I mean, they even waited till the end of parliament to do this.
I was thinking that if it is probably less deadly than the classic covid-19 strain but supposedly much more infectious then it would kind of act as a vaccine wouldn't it? You would think it would be a good thing. Maybe they are clamouring to lock down again to keep it from giving the population herd immunity so they can reach that instead with the vaccines that they have spent billions on and want to take credit for. But then the way things have gone down recently, they would probably just make up the statistics to keep this thing going for the vaccine rollout anyway. I mean, I and probably lots of others on here believe the Mike Yeadon theory that some level of herd immunity was reached in early summer and since then its carried on mostly through PCR testing and the media.
I watched the BBC news two days ago for the first time in a while and the correspondent was talking about the travel chaos in London and seemed to be sympathetic to the government's decision to cancel Christmas and lock down London by explaining their position thusly "if one in 150 people who are infected, die of this new strain and it spreads much faster then that means more DEATH" or something like that. All she is basing that on is the fact some scientists with an agenda are telling people that it spreads faster.
A bit of a messy post but I have so many questions. The new strain just seems like such an invented crisis, not meaning to disrespect anyone who's had covid badly but I just can't see the justification for all this taking away of people's liberties other than for manipulation for something big. Saving face is a big motivator, so are vaccine bonanzas and Brexit alignments. I'm not completely on board with the great reset but certain industries and organisations would have a lot to gain from at least trying some of the aspects of the Great Reset theory.
Hancock himself said that the new strain is out of control. If this was a really big crisis (the virus, not our global institutions being taken over from the inside) then they would be reassuring us, not trying to panic and abuse people.

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Speedstick
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I liked your post, it showed me that you have as many unanswered questions rolling around in your head as l do.
Likewise l did consider would a more contagious but less deadly variant of Covid totally scupper the need for the vaccine, to which so much time and money has been invested.
I also did consider was it a deliberate deflection from New Year import/export chaos, resulting from Brexit, deal or no deal. Any transportation disruption can now easily be blamed on the virus and not Brexit.
Are the rising cases in London and SE just a result of more testing again?
As l said many times though there is no chance of getting the truth out of this current government. It could be one or a sum of all the above.

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MikeAustin
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A bit of a messy post but I have so many questions. The new strain just seems like such an invented crisis, not meaning to disrespect anyone who's had covid badly but I just can't see the justification for all this taking away of people's liberties other than for manipulation for something big. Saving face is a big motivator, so are vaccine bonanzas and Brexit alignments. I'm not completely on board with the great reset but certain industries and organisations would have a lot to gain from at least trying some of the aspects of the Great Reset theory.

If 'many questions' is the result, or in other words 'the answer', then the number of questions may boil down to one: "why do they want me to have many questions?"

More confusion, more obfuscation, more distraction, more diversions, less focus, less visibility, less apportioning of blame would be served by introducing the 'new strain'. They may overplay this one. It seems that more than one new strain is being promoted. There is a limit to the effectiveness of a diversion if that itself becomes too complicated.

As I have always maintained, the government made wrong decisions from the start and pinned their way out on a vaccine. They are trying to reassert this way out to save face.

On the other hand, the 'new strains' are red herrings introduced to appease the French in the fishing discussions for Brexit.

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MikeAustin
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I have just been playing with my sister's dog, Boots. I learn a lot from his behaviour and see a correspondence with human behaviour.
He has two rubber balls, only one of which fits in his mouth. When I play with one of them, he grabs it and will not let go unless I back him into a corner and he drops it. When I play with both balls, he chases one and then the other. He may hold one briefly while he chases the other. Not being able to pick the other one up as well, he drops both. I am free to pick them both up while he has none - no grip on either of them.
I think we find ourselves in a similar situation as Boots, but with a lot of balls thrown at us. Unless we distinguish what is important, we have nothing to show for our chasing.

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I'll talk about the timing. The current and future state of the health system depend on its history, this effect is called hysteresis.Take a look at the curves in the symptom checker app

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#levels-over-time

you will see a peak on cases / admissions on the 5th Nov, and a trough on the 12th Dec. followed by a sudden very steep rise.

Due to hysteresis hospital deaths lag hospital admissions by a week or two, it takes time to die in hospital. By the 19 December cases/hospital admissions were rising sharply. But projecting on, if the cases/admissions continue to climb at the current rate or even peak soon, by 1st Jan, deaths will be of those admitted on 19th Dec, so we can foresee high admissions and high deaths. This is the worst of all worlds. A steady state with high admissions wrecking the NHS and a high number of deaths… going on for a long time.

It was obvious a few days later that new lockdowns were greatly detested. So Matt Hancock seized on a simmering but convenient issue of a new variant to seek justification for strong measures. He really really wants to avoid the steady state worst case scenario, but by now I'm afraid it is baked in.

So that's why they suddenly acted. He thinks the new strain is behind the steep rise and he is trying to head off the new strain.

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