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fon
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The dilemma is political, not medical or scientific.

Neither will the vaccine be a way out. I am certain it will only be a matter of time - weeks or months...

There will be about 10 more weeks of mad mind games. Like flu, this virus hates longer days. It's 2 weeks past the shortest day and our days are 33 minutes longer. The length of days will grow more quickly, right up to the equinox on March 20 , when the season for respiratory infections stops very abruptly, starting in about 10 weeks.

By then, seasonality will start to play a deciding role in the prevalence of the virus. And the vaccine may kick in, if they can jab (say) 150,000 a day, in 10 weeks, over half the vulnerable will have had it. If it's going to work at all, we'll have signs of it working (fewer hospital and icu admissions) by the equinox. So 10 weeks of mind games is the roughly the time the government has before the plague should slow and stop.

By way of comparison to see what 10 weeks feels like,10 weeks ago was about 23rd Oct. And here is a notable lockdownsceptics from around then.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/10/21/

And it seems like yesterday.

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Vermonter
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It also surprised me that vaccines are rolled out before the clinical trials are completed. But if I understand correctly, you're saying this is normal practice.

Trials have been completed.

I'm trying to find information about the trials, and I'm confused about their completion dates, and I'm hoping you can explain things for me.

Back in November, Pfizer announced that they had completed the phase 3 study: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

But then look at the study information here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728?term=NCT04368728&rank=1

The study has a completion date of January 27, 2023, and there are no results posted yet.

What am I missing here?

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fon
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Back in November, Pfizer announced that they had completed the phase 3 study: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

It says conducting the final efficacy analysis in their [b[ongoing Phase 3 study

So it is on going.

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Splatt
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The study has a completion date of January 27, 2023, and there are no results posted yet.

All drugs and vaccines have a post-rollout follow up period as part of the trial.
Original parties involved continue to (and agree to be) tracked for a time (often 2 years) after the Phase 3 ends.

Completely and utterly normal. There won't be published data for that yet because it literally hasnt happened.

Full details of this are freely available in the full clinical protocol document they released.

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Vermonter
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Completely and utterly normal. There won't be published data for that yet because it literally hasnt happened.

Thank you. I was misled by the press release headline that seemed to imply that the phase 3 study had been completed.

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