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'I would hazard a guess that all the pro covid vax are people who will benefit from it. Ie fat, unhealthy, old, co morbidities'

Well I am a youngish (mid 30s) skinny pro vaccine person. I definitely see the way out of lockdown is through mass vaccination.
I do not benefit medically from the vaccine. however I benefit socially.
There is nothing wrong with using a vaccine. It is qualitatively very different and much better than lockdowns. Lockdowns are an attempt to socialise a medical problem. (ie we turn very harsh suffering of a narrow demographic, into combined suffering of everybody).

There may be some harms from vaccination but they are not social. And the medical benefits outweigh the costs. If you think the medical risks are too high to you personally, you are welcome to not take it, but in the UK that does not matter much because those who are of this opinion are so small that it does not really matter.

Please explain the reasons for that Splatt.btw: in israel, 531 over-60s, out of almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus (0.07%), which seems to be quite good.

Yes it is. But still irrelevant until more time goes on (Israel is in full lockdown remember) but also not applicable to the UK where the government have ALREADY stated vaccination will not mean an end to restrictions.
Therefore for the UK, vaccination is not a solution and thats been made official.

It is impossible to glean their true thoughts, they can't talk to us as adults, and they can't lie well either. I doubt the government has a consistent plan. The plan appears to be to clobber the virus with vaccine, and keep clobbering it until the bloody thing stops coming back.

Which is stating vaccine is not the solution and wont end anything at all. Their "strategy" is a never ending game of vaccine variant whack-a-mole with no return to normality planned for any point in time.
I think they believe vaccine acquired immunity is just as good as the natural stuff. If that's what they think, it makes sense to just keep clobbering.

Studies show quite clearly that natural now is providing more wide ranged and last immunity (as you'd expect).
Its also far less susceptible to variants given how the current vaccines target a tiny tiny part of the entire virus - and that part changes rapidly.

I hope I'm wrong ( I don't think I am.)

You're only half wrong, there is something you did not mention, i.e. next winter.

We will have to learn to live with covid19, and winter covid19 vaccinations next autumn. Covid19 is going in the right direction for the time being. Next winter it will be back full force unless we do something. Of course if ivermectin comes through, everything changes.

There are some out there, Devi Shridhar et al, who would lockdown and go all out for zero covid19, no matter what it costs. Freedoms go out the window if they prevail, and the futile authoritarian insanity loop runs on forever, since zero covid19 is unattainable.

We cannot double the NHS capacity in that time, so the only medicine that can stop the system being swamped is vaccination of the vulnerable, as the alternative to annual winter lockdowns, which is what we'll get from Devi Shridhar and SAGE. So covid19 vaccinations of the vulnerable will be occurring with flu vaccinations each winter. It's just how it is Nicholas.

So it's make your mind up time, we can either:

If vaccination of the vulnerable (fat, unhealthy, old, comorbidities) can save us from your endless insanity loop then I'm all for it.

Vaccinate the vulnerable, and get lockdown lifted!

So it's make your mind up time, we can either:

Zero covid has been a big success for countries like New Zealand and Australia. It's even paid off for countries with big land borders like Vietnam and China.

But given that the disease is now endemic in the world community, and that it seems to generate constant new variants which rebound at an exponential rate, then zero covid looks like a high risk strategy.

Of course, for a country like the UK, there is the terrific problem of getting back to zero in the first place.

Personally, right now I'd go for vaccine-managed covid unless the situation changes again.

So it's make your mind up time, we can either:

Zero covid has been a big success for countries like New Zealand and Australia. It's even paid off for countries with big land borders like Vietnam and China.

It has to last from now until the end of time. There can be no big success, since it is destined to fail unless continuous intrusive monitoring, isolations and restrictions are maintained forever. If you think that is a goodway to live,I guess you can say it's a success. Let's ask the anti-vaxxers? Hey guys, you anti-vaxxers out there. You you feel free in a place where there are you are subject to continuous intrusive monitoring, isolations and restrictions? Where you can't leave or enter? Yeah right, big success!
Personally, right now I'd go for vaccine-managed covid unless the situation changes again.

Yes, me too.