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fon
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website is surely about lockdown scepticism and the impact on our freedoms. I feel like either I'm insane or everyone else is! ... My safety will be fine regardless.

Well you are insane if you think you could have the same degree of freedom we enjoyed in normal times. There is a World Pandemic on, and some constraints are part of the response, I think full lockdown is too much.
In any case,the normal functioning of society requires certain laws as I'm sure you realise. For example In total, 3,506 laws were introduced in the UK in 2010 alone. I don't know how many laws there are but your freedom is constrained in many ways. But the good news is that there is no law to make you have a vaccine.

The site is about lockdown scepticism and constraints. One of the freedoms removed is to go to a party (for example), but none of the removal of freedoms concern vaccines. And I'm confident that if take-up is high, there will be no need to use laws for vaccines, although it might be right to use law to stifle bogus anti-vaxx propaganda, if it gains traction. I hope that is not necessary.

I don't worry at all about you, but it would be irksome if a person who could have the vaccine, does not and later passes covid19 on to someone who gets poorly and in turn passes it on again. That is an example of how the impact of vaccine benefits many others, not necessarily you, by breaking chains of transmission, and that is why I commend those who have the vaccine, whatever their personal reasons.

Anyway, take-up is high, if it continues, perhaps we can stifle covid19 without any help from you. I just hope so.

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MikeAustin
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Let me understand, we are not to use lockdowns to limit the spread of the virus, and we are not to use vaccine to limit the spread of the virus, and we are not to use Test & Trace to limit the spread of the virus. Is there anything we can try to limit the spread of the virus?

We take the same precautions that we do - voluntarily, and without hysteria - when there is a virulent flu virus around.

Are you suggesting there would be enough voluntary precautions, without formal restrictions?

Exactly that. The pandemic finished mid-June. Lockdown was extreme, but tolerated. It is now recognised unnecessary - by WHO, among others. Now, formal restrictions make even less sense.

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MikeAustin
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We take the same precautions that we do - voluntarily, and without hysteria

good, vaccines then! Can the anti-vaxxers please take note!

Yes - optional vaccines, just as with influenza. No pressure for. No pressure against.

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fon
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What are the possible long term side effects of the various vaccines on offer?

They could turn you into a goat.

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Rudolph Rigger
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Well you are insane if you think you could have the same degree of freedom we enjoyed in normal times. There is a World Pandemic on, and some constraints are part of the response, I think full lockdown is too much.

We're not in a pandemic - we're in the second season of a fairly typical winter respiratory virus. Excess deaths since the first outbreak (when it was all shiny and new) have not been remarkably different than any other bad flu season - and remember that we have vaccines for flu.

I utterly reject the notion that we're living with some extraordinary crisis that requires extra measures to "control" - although these extraordinary measures appear to have done bugger all except to bankrupt us, cause untold suffering, damaged our mental health and fubarred our kid's education and futures.

Way to go UK - throw away decades of careful pandemic disaster planning. Sacrifice our kids because you got scared. And what have you achieved? More lockdowns? Zero "control" of a virus. All this waste and suffering - for nothing. Brilliant. Absolutely stellar performance you bunch of effing morons.
In any case, the normal functioning of society requires certain laws as I'm sure you realise. For example In total, 3,506 laws were introduced in the UK in 2010 alone. I don't know how many laws there are but your freedom is constrained in many ways.

You should read the rather excellent essay by Joe Davis who discusses this very point :
https://notesonreading.com/risks-and-harms-the-consequences-of-our-response-to-a-virus

I don't worry at all about you, but it would be irksome if a person who could have the vaccine, does not and later passes covid19 on to someone who gets poorly and in turn passes it on again.

Where are we heading with this? Will I be able to sue someone for giving me a cold?

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