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CoronanationStreet
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Schools reopening will be a trade off against all the other restrictions remaining in place for the majority of 2021.

Take away 100%. Offer to give back 20% which is the most emotionally involved. Give back the 20% and people will accept waiting much longer for the other 55% to come back.

Classic manipulative behaviour.

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Splatt
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If India is anything to go by the herd immunity is the way forward. Their cases have plummeted to 9100 a day and its a huge country where people are close together in cities and mask wearing not a norm. This happened BEFORE any vaccines were rolled out.

India has a few things in its favour. A hot climate with plenty of UV but most importantly, a very young population. Their CFR/IFR is going to be far lower due to the median age alone.

The UK can do it, should do it, but we will have higher deaths by doing it.

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Splatt
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Check out this interview with another bedwetting scientist.

His contention appears to be that opening up swiftly last year l

12 year old level.

Ignores comparative global data from various levels of lockdown, ignores the mirror effect in the Southern Hemisphere.

He's into classic confirmation bias - has pre-decided lockdowns work and is making every data point look like it supports his pre-conception.

Thats not how science is supposed to work. Its not had you'd teach GCSE science.

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Splatt
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Schools reopening will be a trade off against all the other restrictions remaining in place for the majority of 2021.

Take away 100%. Offer to give back 20% which is the most emotionally involved. Give back the 20% and people will accept waiting much longer for the other 55% to come back.

Classic manipulative behaviour.

I guess the SAGE tactic will be to have heart-breaking messages about how our children are suffering (true), how they have to be in school (true) and how school return has to be the governments priority (again, true).
But then they'll use that as a "to perform this noble and essential act we have to restrict the rest of you indefinitely". Then use the "think of the children" argument to silence voices calling for an end to lockdown.

Again, this was in the SPI-B playbook from March. Nothing has changed.
Its fairly standard, you start off with truths, then move to moral justification and then link something completely unrelated to the end of it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf (page 2 - Coercion)
8. Social disapproval: Social disapproval from one’s community can play an important role in preventing
anti-social behaviour or discouraging failure to enact pro-social behaviour

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CoronanationStreet
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Of coure the real irony is that a lot of people here me included did think the vaccines were the answer to getting out of lockdown.

But now we know they aren't and never were. It's been all about zero Covid all along.

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