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fon
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If 200 old people die every week generally about 50% / 60% of those will already be hospitalized. So low probability of getting vaccinated.
That's an unreasonable assumption.

I noticed that too, jmc always starts with a puff of bluff and bluster to put you off, it's part of his mojo.

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Rudolph Rigger
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Thank for your kind words. I'll try again to baby step you through the real values for Pfizer as follows, you can grasp it, but you must try.

22,000 vaccinated,8 got covid19, 8/22k=0.036% of group got covid19
22,000 placebo, 162 got covid19, 162/22k= 0.74% of group got covid19

0.036/0.74 = 5% Which means that the Pfizer vaccinated people had a 95% smaller risk of getting covid19 than those in the placebo group. That's the relative risk reduction.

Hmmm. You're not really grasping the point jmc is making.

Sure, these are the "headline" figures - but without the confidence intervals and P values they are essentially meaningless.

Furthermore, as jmc pointed out, what about sampling errors? Deviations from true randomness can have quite significant effects on your results. I'd like to know how the sampling was done.

Now I'm not questioning the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine here - I assume the people running the trial knew what they were doing and did their statistical analysis/sampling properly. Don't know; haven't read the results for myself. No, I'm questioning your analysis and interpretation here.

What is required is whether the value obtained in an experiment is reasonably close to the "true" value (confidence interval) and whether the null hypothesis can be rejected with a high probability (significance). The null hypothesis here being that the Pfizer vaccine does not reduce symptoms.

Simply quoting the raw results is about as much use as wearing a mask 😉

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miahoneybee
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A great post JMC..exactly my thoughts..
I have far far more respect for dr vernon coleman than any of those idiots running this show based on lies and deception..I would far rather listen to a man of truth who backs up his arguments with facts...the more truth told and uncovering the lies and deception fed to us the heavier the censorship..nothing to hide then dont censor but challenge it and support it with science and fact based evidence.. oh wait.the government and their cronies cant...

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fon
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A great post JMC..exactly my thoughts..I have far far more respect for dr vernon coleman than any of those idiots

I feel the strength of your wrong conclusions reverberating over the network. May god (or whatever you use instead) bless you.

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checkthefacts
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A great post JMC..exactly my thoughts..
I have far far more respect for dr vernon coleman than any of those idiots running this show based on lies and deception..I would far rather listen to a man of truth who backs up his arguments with facts...the more truth told and uncovering the lies and deception fed to us the heavier the censorship..nothing to hide then dont censor but challenge it and support it with science and fact based evidence.. oh wait.the government and their cronies cant...

What method do you use to accept the crackpot views of the Coleman over those of the establishment.
Do you have some actual knowledge or checked some facts or performed some analysis? Or are you just one of the victims of misinformation.

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